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Rumour Of New Deal For B787 For Norwegian DY  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3881 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9563 times:

Norwegian DY has 6 Boeing B787 800 on order at this time. However it is not a secret that the boss of Norwegian, Mr. Bjørn KJos is keen on getting adittional frames. It has been problematic for Norwegian getting it's hands on B787's without having to wait a long time for them.

Several newspapers in Norway are indicating that Norwegian wants another 10 frames and that such a deal might be in the works within the next few weeks.

Mr. Kjos has earlier indicated that he hopes to have some 20 - 25 frames in the future.


Any idea where Norwegian can get hands on B787's real quick ahead of the line ... ?


Quote from Norwegian economy newspaper Finansavisen today:

"Klappjakt på ti Dreamliner-fly
I går landet Boeings «Dreamliner» på Gardermoen. Norwegian har seks i bestilling, og har forsøkt å skaffe ti til frem mot i dag. Kjøpet kan bli klart de neste ukene."

Translation:


"Hunt for 10 Dreamliners

Yesterday, Boeings Dreamliner landed at OSL airport. Norwegian has 6 on order, and has tried to get an adittional 10 up to today. The contract may be ready in the next few weeks"

http://finansavisen.hegnar.no/

[Edited 2012-05-02 12:21:24]

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User currently onlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Any idea where Norwegian can get hands on B787's real quick ahead of the line ... ?

Perhaps China Eastern's cancelled birds...



harder than woodpecker lips...
User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8697 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Any idea where Norwegian can get hands on B787's real quick ahead of the line ... ?

IMO DY has been smart with getting so many early birds as they have. I am sure that all leasing companies early birds are spoken for?



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently onlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

I was almost expecting a further order on the day that the 787 visited OSL. Thought maybe they delayed any anouncement, due to the death of Alexander Dale Oen (not the day to publicize something like an order). But, seems like DY are waiting for better slots.

6 isn't near enough when Kjos has already mentioned OSL-BKK, OSL-NYC, and during an interview on the 787 he also said ARN-NYC.

If DY want to be a significant carrier intercontinentally, they'll need more routes than that.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 3):
I was almost expecting a further order on the day that the 787 visited OSL

Me too!

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 3):
Thought maybe they delayed any anouncement, due to the death of Alexander Dale Oen (not the day to publicize something like an order). But, seems like DY are waiting for better slots.

That may be. DY say they will announce an order soon.

In September or October they will start selling tickets for New York and Bangkok, and they will start flying in March 2013.

Their 787 will seat 291 passengers.



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8350 times:

Who is going to pay for all the Norwegian orders?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...jets-dropped-by-lion-air-norwegian



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User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8261 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 5):
Who is going to pay for all the Norwegian orders?

85% of the deal will be the U.S Export/import bank. I know DY has financed new planes by selling some older planes that they in turn lease back.



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

It all sounds very Icelandic bubble to me.

By the way, the Michael OLeary comments are widespread in the industry, not just for Norwegian.



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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

MOL has always been full of shite, no exeception this time too.

User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 5):
Who is going to pay for all the Norwegian orders?

How did Ryainair pay for all their planes  

It comes down to generating enough cash flow.


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5881 times:
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Perhaps airlines with early (heavy) frames would consider moving back in the line...especially if there was some incentive to do so.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12136 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 3):
Thought maybe they delayed any anouncement, due to the death of Alexander Dale Oen (not the day to publicize something like an order). But, seems like DY are waiting for better slots.

Wasn't he just an olympic class swimmer?


User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
Wasn't he just an olympic class swimmer?

You have hit the nail there KC135TopBoom. We care for every Norwegian citizen - every 5 million of us - even a reigning 26 year old world champoin in men's 100 m breaststroke.


User currently offlinewindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Wow I can't wait to see what routes DY will utilize these aircraft on. I hope they have routes in mind, that are more in line with what Thomson fly spoke of recently.

Great stuff for Scandinavia!

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently onlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 3):Thought maybe they delayed any anouncement, due to the death of Alexander Dale Oen (not the day to publicize something like an order). But, seems like DY are waiting for better slots.
Wasn't he just an olympic class swimmer?

You'd be surprised at the coverage he was getting (and still is). It was a talking point for just about every Norwegian. We are a proud people, proud of our athletes, and all mourn to tradgedies. That day was not right for PR, and DY were a bit unlucky to get the 787 coming in that day, as they did not get the same level of coverage they would normally have gotten.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

The world of financing is totally different since FR started buying aircraft. Look at the tricks the US carriers do to acquire aircraft and compare this to the mega orders Norwegian has just made.

Airlines like FR, EK and SQ are sound.

Others are much higher risk.



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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3939 times:

bestwestern, I wouldn't be too cocky on behalf of Ryanair. Things seems to be changing at Ryanair. The first change came in November 2010 with a change in growth. One year later (November 2011) the growth changed to a decline, and at the end of April Ryanair measure in 12 months rolling passengers is between 700,000 og 800,000 smaller than it was at the end of October 2011. This decline is the first of the history of Ryanair. the last years the yearly growth has been between 5 and 9 million passengers. April's 12 months rolling passenger growth is now down to 2.1 million, and this number has been declining since June 2010. It seems like MOL is getting more and more desperate, and like most when it's difficult at home starts concentrating on others (not as they supposed to do, fix the problems at home). Ryanair is built on growth and reselling used 737s with huge profit. Now the market for used older 738 seems to have vanished and it seems the growth also is about to vanish, therefore I would tend to say Ryanair is moving from being sound to being unsound.

User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3903 times:

I am no fan of Ryanair. However, like it or not, they are not considered a credit risk. PM me your email address and I will send you on the analysis behind the concerns banks have with lending for these aircraft.


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