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LHR Terminal 5 Voted Worlds' Best.  
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12613 times:

British Airways’ home hub T5 has been voted the World’s Best Airport Terminal by airline travellers at the World Airport Awards held at the Passenger Terminal Expo in Vienna.

Are rays of sunshine beginning to break through the clouds over LHR ?


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User currently offlinerichie72 From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12592 times:

I personally love this Terminal .
I fly often ARN -LHR -ARN and at times further out in the world and personally chose BA over SK ,partly because BA is the better airline and partly because it is a pleasure flying through this terminal .

I flew LHR -ARN on Monday and it was a breeze - 3 minutes from Check in kiosk to the departure are - to be fair security was extra quiet on Monday evening .Once through the wait is never a problem as there is good shopping , restaurants and a fab view of the airport operations!  

A top class Terminal rightly deserving this award i reckon!


User currently offlinecygnuschicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12457 times:

Interesting. While T5 is a vast improvement over the messy T1-3 setup, "World's Best" seems a bit of a stretch.

Personally, I find a number of things really odd about T5:
- The severe lack of gates, resulting in being bused more often than not (even when arriving on a 747!)
- The crazy double screening for transit passengers, even when they are arriving and departing from T5
- The dual level layout
- The very remote B and C gates; so remote that most airports would consider these separate terminals, not concourses

I would definitely vote for DXB long before I vote for LHR T5. But, too each their own.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21554 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12325 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
Are rays of sunshine beginning to break through the clouds over LHR ?

I suspect that the voting was done before the immigration queue fiasco, so...no.

-Mir



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User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12314 times:

What a joke! I would put T5 as one of the worst! Unpleasant personnel working in that terminal, barking orders, rarely if ever pleasant security screening personnel (shades of TSA), buses to remote parking stands, fast track only open during morning hours (??!!!), the worst passport border clearance I have experienced in my 40+ years of flying, lounges always too crowded and rubbish not cleared as frequently as it should.... And a terminal as crowded as a shopping mall during after Christmas sales... Not a top ranker in my book... I dread the place...
Oh, no, I am transfering through there next week....!!


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12290 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
British Airways’ home hub T5 has been voted the World’s Best Airport Terminal

Until you have to leave T5 and experience the real Heathrow. T3 should have been demolished and a new terminal rebuilt. T5 is just lipstick on a pig.

And why didn't BA push for a new terminal for OW instead of the planned "refurb", yet *A is getting a whole new terminal the size of T5?

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 2):
"World's Best" seems a bit of a stretch.
Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 2):
I would definitely vote for DXB long before I vote for LHR T5.

  



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User currently offlinegr09 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12251 times:

I do like the T5 as a building. What I don't like is the insane security screening. Up to the point I avoid LHR completely on my travels.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12220 times:

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 2):
The crazy double screening for transit passengers, even when they are arriving and departing from T5

So you think someone arriving at T5 from Pakistan should be allowed to board a BA flight to JFK without re-screening? Seriously?

WIth the opening of T5C there is a lot less bussing. As to a whole new OneWorld Terminal, one thing at a time. BA got a new building, Skyteam got the refurbed T4, STAR get the new T2, Oneworld are next.

[Edited 2012-05-03 07:25:10]

User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12206 times:

I love T5. It is such a pleasure to transit through. Plenty of light, space, seats and places to eat and drink.
Friendly staff, clean lounges and clear PA making it very easy to hear announcements being made.

I love the inter concourse train, quick, efficient, clean and easy.

I think T5 deserves the title it has finally been bestowed.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12137 times:

I thought this one might get the juices flowing.

Quoting garpd (Reply 8):
I love T5. It is such a pleasure to transit through. Plenty of light, space, seats and places to eat and drink.
Friendly staff, clean lounges and clear PA making it very easy to hear announcements being made.

I love the inter concourse train, quick, efficient, clean and easy.

I think T5 deserves the title it has finally been bestowed.

Me too. It is extremely pleasant with some great spots for.......spotting !!



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User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12126 times:

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 4):
buses to remote parking stands

About 25% of T5 stands are remote ones (16) and four (524-527) in T5A are used only on late evening/early morning departures, lowering the %. It's quite a number, but I guess that the average in places such as FRA or ZRH won't be that far from it.

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 4):
fast track only open during morning hours (??!!!)

Wrong.I've flown BA0580 on April 27th, in Club, and even if it was 5 o'clock in the afternoon the fast track was absolutely open.

What I find lacking at T5 are showers (not even in the Club lounge AFAIK) or sleep areas for passengers on a long connection, which instead can be found in the likes of Zurich.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12128 times:

LHR T-5 is very nice by most standards, but nothing close to *best* in the world. Maybe after being used to the abuse of JFK and CDG, LHR T5 looks like heaven all of a sudden.

It definitely still pales compared to HKG/ICN/SIN T-3.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12020 times:

I'm pleased to hear this. Having been through T5 at least a dozen times over the past year or so, I think they've done a fantastic job there, and it has easily become my favorite terminal in Europe for connections.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 10):
What I find lacking at T5 are showers (not even in the Club lounge AFAIK)

There are plenty of showers in the main Galleries lounge. I have used them a number of times and have never had to wait, even during peak morning times. Not sure if there are any outside the lounges though.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
It definitely still pales compared to HKG/ICN/SIN T-3.

I would actually call T5 comparable to HKG and ICN. I enjoy flying through all three. I would agree that it's hard to beat SIN T3 though!



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11973 times:

I've been to SIN more times than I care to remember and......well nothing really.....it's just like any other airport.

Terminal 5 is just so bright and airy with some high end restaurants both in and out of the airline lounges.

Having been long haul crew for many years I think I'm in a pretty good position to make a comparison.

I recently had one of the best lunches I've ever had in my life airside at Terminal 5, washed down with wonderful wine and equally wonderful views of the apron. My friends and I could have sat there all day having a good time.

Normally this is just the preserve of passengers in the lounges.

[Edited 2012-05-03 08:37:20]


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User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11894 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 12):

There are plenty of showers in the main Galleries lounge. I have used them a number of times and have never had to wait, even during peak morning times. Not sure if there are any outside the lounges though.

You mean the South Galleries or the North? Because I know there are some in the First lounge but I failed to spot one in the South Club galleries.


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11775 times:

Quoting JL418 (Reply 10):
Wrong.I've flown BA0580 on April 27th, in Club, and even if it was 5 o'clock in the afternoon the fast track was absolutely open.

If he meant fast track Immigration then yes, that only opens till about 1 or 2 pm I think

Quoting JL418 (Reply 14):
You mean the South Galleries or the North? Because I know there are some in the First lounge but I failed to spot one in the South Club galleries.

Showers are located where the Spa Is if I recall correctly. There definitely are showers there.

--------------------

Compared to the other LHR terminals, T5 is the best one. Very open, very light, lots of windows and space in the terminal to sit and relax. Good shopping, lots of places to eat, free power ports to charge this that and the other.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11683 times:

Definately the best airport terminal in the UK.... I wouldn't quite say the world though.

I do find it very modern and has a lot of natural light which is a plus... however airside it can be very busy and feels a little overcrowded.


User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1745 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11652 times:

You've got to be kidding me! Really!
It took 5 hours to get out of T5 for me to get to the Perimeter fence Travelodge...

I asked for my bags cancelling a connecting flight to stay in London...the next flight was a few hours in front, but it took 2 hours to blooming get it.

The next month, I went to the satelite terminal thinking it's easy just to get the train back to the main, like every other modern airport such as Changi.

No...even for staff, if they're in B, they have to go in the opposite direction to C and then double back just to get to the main terminal.

What a load of stupidness.

And the airport looks cold and dark and overpowering. Changi is the best for me  


User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11643 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 15):
Showers are located where the Spa Is if I recall correctly. There definitely are showers there.

First class then, thanks anyway.


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11643 times:

I would simply put this down to Psychology. As it was voted for by Airline Travellers, my guess is that these are people who have flown through T1, T3 and T4 in Heathrow previously and endured the nightmare. Then after they travelled through T5, their previous perceptions were clouded and they made the large comparison.

Some will disagree I know, but having flown through excellent terminals like HKG, BKK and DEL (IMO), I wouldn't call it the "best" in the world, but given what Heathrow is outside T5, its quite a terminal.


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11591 times:
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Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
So you think someone arriving at T5 from Pakistan should be allowed to board a BA flight to JFK without re-screening? Seriously?

Why does anyone from Pakistan deserve more security checks than other passengers? And by the way, I don't think he meant that transfer passengers should not be screened, but that they should not be screened twice...



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1326 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11539 times:

One assumes these accolades were bestowed upon the main terminal only, conveniently forgetting the sattelite terminals, along with everything else that makes up the travesty that's LHR.

But it does spark an idea. Think I'm going to nominate the left hand lane of the B9 between Koblenz and St. Goar as the best road in the world. But only on Tuesdays in March, just after lunch, driving a Porsche. But, there's no doubt, it's THE best road in the world!



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User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11410 times:

Sorry, yes, I meant Fast Track going through immigration upon arrival closes around noon or early afternoon. That being said, on a couple recent visits, the Fast Track nearest the Club World check-in on departures gets "clogged" so they ask you to go all the way down to the other side and use Fast Track there.

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11404 times:

Times of India declared DEL's T3 to be the world's best terminal a few weeks ago.


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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11349 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):

I would like a bit more information about these "awards".
What was the sample percentage?
Was it independant?
Who or what are the "World Airport Awards"
Do I see a contender for SkyTrax crown?   



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11796 times:

Well considering LHR handles annually 30M, 20M and 10M more international passengers than ICN, SIN and HKG respectively I think the airport and definitely Terminal 5 deserves this accolade.


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User currently offlineCaptainKramer From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11721 times:

TYCOON and anstar I have to agree, once I passed through T5's check-in area which was a breeze and through the security check which involved queing for a good while the biggest surprise for me, once I cleared all that, was how crowded it did seem, it didn't have that spacious feel I was expecting given the size of the building when viewed from outside.

Having said that it is a vast improvement over T4. My return flight from Paris was even better. I passed through passport and immigration without delay and for the first and only time was greeted by the rare sight of my bag waiting for me on the carosel. Ah the good old days.


User currently offlinevegetables2001 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11893 times:

Doesn't matter how sparkly and shiny terminal 5 is LHR's biggest problem is actually getting there in the first place. It used to take me 2 / 2.5 hours to get there when even when I lived in London, now It'd probably take me 5-6 hours to get there, I can get to AMS quicker!

But hey, I fly economy and I pay for my flights myself so BA doesn't want my custom anyway.  



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11787 times:

Quoting JL418 (Reply 18):

No, between the Concorde and first lounge there is the spa and their are showers their.

Quoting fca767 (Reply 17):

As I said the last time you asked the question, staff do not need to go to C to get back to A from B and it clearly says do not go to B and C unless your flight departs from them.......

Why did it take 5 hours for you to get out of the terminal?


User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1745 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11721 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 28):
As I said the last time you asked the question, staff do not need to go to C to get back to A from B and it clearly says do not go to B and C unless your flight departs from them.......

Why did it take 5 hours for you to get out of the terminal?

Well Considering it was a member of staff that was standing right next to me in B who also told me this then that is how it is.


User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1745 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11695 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 28):
As I said the last time you asked the question, staff do not need to go to C to get back to A from B and it clearly says do not go to B and C unless your flight departs from them

Well that's why they should be down voted...having a sign saying don't go there is just not very nice, and goes to show that the whole system is a bit silly...having a guard checking the trains to make sure the departures and arrivals don't mix inside the train is just stupid...Why not have it like a real airport like Changi...and that's why they are usually best airport...among others like Dubai, Kuala Lumpar, HKG


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11600 times:

Quoting JL418 (Reply 14):
You mean the South Galleries or the North? Because I know there are some in the First lounge but I failed to spot one in the South Club galleries.

South--the big one. They are in the Elemis Travel Spa.

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 15):
Showers are located where the Spa Is if I recall correctly. There definitely are showers there.

  

Quoting JL418 (Reply 18):

First class then, thanks anyway.

It's on the same level as the first class lounges, but the spa (including showers) is certainly available to Club World pax too.

Edited to add, although I haven't tried it, there is also a spa (with showers) at the B gates.

[Edited 2012-05-03 11:57:09]


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 32, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11564 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 25):

Well considering LHR handles annually 30M, 20M and 10M more international passengers than ICN, SIN and HKG respectively I think the airport and definitely Terminal 5 deserves this accolade.

Except that we're not comparing LHR vs. HKG/SIN/ICN, but just Terminal 5. T-5 handled like half the pax of Heathrow? That's like 30-33M ?

Another problem with T5 is that 5B concourse feels really dead (probably same about 5C) because BA has concentrated all the shopping/dining options at the main concourse (but that's not where the majority of T5 flights depart).


User currently offlinejlarsson From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11528 times:

I'm sorry but it's not April fools day.

LHR is worse that the s**t coming out of a cow's a**e.
I gladly pay a lot extra to avoid it.

Only worse in the world is CDG.
All other are better.

jlarsson



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User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11109 times:

T5 is nice by London's standards, but by no means the worlds best. It's run by BAA for a start, security staff are probably it's biggest let down, often very surly, it's also quite poorly designed.

A much worthier winner would have been SIN T3, clearly laid out, pleasant atmosphere, lots of shops without feeling like an overkill. All this and an amazing plethora of facilities and things to do without having to spend a penny.


User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1745 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11097 times:

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 34):
A much worthier winner would have been SIN T3, clearly laid out, pleasant atmosphere, lots of shops without feeling like an overkill. All this and an amazing plethora of facilities and things to do without having to spend a penny.

Yes!!! I decided to check-in 13 hours early for my flight back to manchester, all so I could enjoy the aiport and I really did, and never got bored one bit.
Here's the video of the first time I went and spent the 13 hours.
https://vimeo.com/963515


User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10835 times:

Quoting fca767 (Reply 35):
Here's the video of the first time I went and spent the 13 hours.
https://vimeo.com/963515

Nice!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 37, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10645 times:

It's the best terminal at LHR but that's as far as I would go. I still avoid anything to do with LHR after using T5 about 6 times. Too many escalators (even an escalator from the gate area to board your flight), long trek to the shuttle train to the remote terminals, slow security checks when it's busy (which is most of the time), poor signage in my opinion (compared to AMS for example).

And why do they need that checkpoint for your tickets/boarding passes after arriving on a flight before you can proceed to your connecting gate? I've never seen that at any other airport. Why can't you just proceed directly to your gate as you do everywhere else? I missed a connection to GVA a year or so ago due to a long line at that connections checkpoint. Got to the gate while the aircraft was still there but the flight had already been closed, meaning another 2 hour wait until the next LHR-GVA flight (luckily a fairly frequent route).

Other complaint is that, with the UK not part of Schengen, you always have to clear security a second time, even when connecting within Europe. When I connect in AMS/FRA/ZRH/MUC etc. to almost all major destinations in Europe (except the UK and Ireland) I only have to clear security once at the point of origin (GVA in my case). That means 2 extra bottlenecks for connections via LHR to Schengen destinations -- that annoying "flight connections" checkpoint plus the second security check, neither of which are needed anywhere else.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 38, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10537 times:

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 34):
it's also quite poorly designed.

Very... If coming t T5 by tube or LHR express and want to go to most of BA's lounges you have to go down the escalators after security - then pass along the busy terminal and then back UP some escalators..... is like a maze!


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 39, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10506 times:

I echo some of the sentiments on here, that while I quite like T5 I can't say its the best in the world. ICN, HKG, SIN take the cake for me. T5 is probably in the top 10 for me though.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
So you think someone arriving at T5 from Pakistan should be allowed to board a BA flight to JFK without re-screening? Seriously?

What an appalling statement.

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 20):
Why does anyone from Pakistan deserve more security checks than other passengers? And by the way, I don't think he meant that transfer passengers should not be screened, but that they should not be screened twice...

        



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User currently offlinewindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 40, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10465 times:

I like it too, I try to fly through is as often as I can.
But the staf... Oh my... They need a courtesy lesson or two!

Security staff? Get some new people who actually like working with human beings.

Great lounges in T5!

Boaz.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
And why do they need that checkpoint for your tickets/boarding passes after arriving on a flight before you can proceed to your connecting gate?

To stop you being blown out of the sky by terrorists ...in a nutshell.

There is a well know case in study for those check points that I simply cannot be bothered to explain.

Jeesh !

  



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10386 times:

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 39):
What an appalling statement.

Not appalling at all.

Two nations that are constantly under direct threat of attack by means of terrorism likely cultured in Pakistan are quite within their rights to take all necessary measures to protect themselves.

I'm afraid whether you like it or not and whichever side you happen to agree with ....recent history commands it.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 43, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10354 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 41):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
And why do they need that checkpoint for your tickets/boarding passes after arriving on a flight before you can proceed to your connecting gate?

To stop you being blown out of the sky by terrorists ...in a nutshell.

I wasn't referring to the security check but to the check by BA ground staff before you can proceed to the security checkpoint.


User currently offlineblackwidow From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9946 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 38):
then pass along the busy terminal and then back UP some escalators

Yer and the 'buttonless' elevators, which are 'automatic' and mean you stand like a lemon waiting for one to wisk you down/up to the tube! Joke!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
I only have to clear security once at the point of origin

No thanks - memories of Frankfurt and 21st December 1988 mean im happy for extra security checks....

[Edited 2012-05-03 14:28:19]

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9922 times:

It was well known in the 80s that Rome and Greece had lax security at their airports. Not all countries have the same level of security. Hence you couldn't fly Pakistan-US direct as Pakistan is, let's be honest, a haven for Islamists. So under no circumstances should they be allowed to connect to another flight in my country without rescreening. It's fairly obvious. Who lets terrorists go when the Police take him to McDonalds? Who kept Bin Laden safe? Pakistan.

User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3218 posts, RR: 12
Reply 46, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9923 times:

T5 is definately NOT the best terminal in the world. It's nice compared to the other terminals, but there is so much more they could have done it to, and so many ways it can be improved. I hate having to go up from the tube, then down after security, then back up to the lounge, then way down to the train, then back up to the B/C concourse, up to the lounge, then back down to the gate...up and down, up and down. Couldn't they have made it one level?

And the staff at security are really quite horrible on the last few occasions I've been through (although no worse than other terminals).

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
So you think someone arriving at T5 from Pakistan should be allowed to board a BA flight to JFK without re-screening? Seriously?

How are Pakistanis worse than other people? If you are "safe" bo board a flight to the UK, I honestly don't see what extra screening is needed. I flew BLL-MAN-LHR last week and had to go through security again. Yes, flying BA from Denmark, I had to be re-screened. What a waste of time/money/resourses.



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User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 47, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9650 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
So you think someone arriving at T5 from Pakistan should be allowed to board a BA flight to JFK without re-screening? Seriously?

Or the other way round. I work in security at LHR and can tell you that some of the items found in the bags of those travelling from the US, is mind blowing. Very scary.


User currently offlineluxair From Suriname, joined Jan 2001, 848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9172 times:

I agree, T5 is the best i've seen till now, no doubt, and i've travelled a lot!!!


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User currently offlineMike909 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9061 times:

T5 certainly shines above other London airport terminals, but it is most certainly NOT the worlds best.
Having flown through brilliant airports and experienced the Star Alliance Lounges in modern airports such as BKK and HKG I can guarantee that the international terminal at AKL is by far the best, and Skytrax seems to agree with this.

In addition, T3 at TLV was ranked the 5th most beautiful piece of modern architecture when it opened and it is a delight to fly through there, and I think it is highly underrated.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 50, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9031 times:

Quoting blackwidow (Reply 44):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
I only have to clear security once at the point of origin

No thanks - memories of Frankfurt and 21st December 1988 mean im happy for extra security checks....

I don't get your point. The bomb that brought down Pan Am 103 was in checked baggage, not carry-on.


User currently offlineidlewildchild From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

No doubt someone was paid or something for that rating. Don't get me wrong, T5 is a vast improvement over the past but the best? I don't think so. I actually prefer good'ole Amsterdam Schiphol over T5 since it's one massive terminal that has cool shops, a casino, museum, showers, everything. Though clearly not as 'modern' as T5/LHR, AMS feels more like an international hub to me when I pass through. T5 is way toooooo BA centric! LOL

User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

It's a great terminal for sure, but what about having to pay to drop-off/pickup? That is ridiculous.


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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

Is bussing an issue?

http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...EG_AD_2_EGLL_2-4_en_2011-08-25.pdf

T5A has 19 airbridge stands and 4 remote stands
T5B has 15 airbridge stands and 2 remote stands
T5C has 12 airbridge stands and 4 remote stands

So in all, 46 airbridge served gates and 10 remote so 17.8% of stands are bussing stands.
The 570s, 580s and 590s are for the most part used for off stand parking.


User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 53):
Is bussing an issue?

I've arrived twice and left twice (both transAtlantic) and bussed once in both directions.



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User currently offlinee195 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 191 posts, RR: 2
Reply 55, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8340 times:
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Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 52):

Encourages the use of public transport



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User currently offlinehz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 56, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8307 times:
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Quoting anstar (Reply 16):
I do find it very modern and has a lot of natural light which is a plus... however airside it can be very busy and feels a little overcrowded.

I agree. I think they could help the crowded feeling if they would just post the gate numbers sooner. When I fly through to Hong Kong or New York, and go to B or C piers, they are empty, with just as nice views. My last pass through in September, I had the gal at customer service whisper the gate number to me, as she was reluctant to tell me in front of so many others who wanted to know their gate number. She did say, if there was a change before it was posted, I am essentially stuck on the pier with no way of getting back.

All in all, though, T5 is great for spotting, last time I turned on my air scanner and watched the departures runway. What surprised me most that night was the number of go-arounds!



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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3590 posts, RR: 10
Reply 57, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

LHR T-5 has to be one of the most stupidly designed shopping malls disguised as an airport terminal I have ever visited. Best in the world??? That is a joke...among the better airports is HKG, ICN, SIN,...hell even ATL, DFW, CLT, and NRT are better.

Terrible queues, obnoxious BAA staff, indescernable signage hidden by overpowering advertising, foot traffic patterns designed to induce bottlenecks...

I get POed every time I get stuck travelling through the piece of crap called LHR, including T-5


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 58, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 57):

indescernable signage hidden by overpowering advertising

Huh?


User currently offlineAviational From Canada, joined Jan 2012, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7193 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 20):
Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 20):
Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 20):
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
So you think someone arriving at T5 from Pakistan should be allowed to board a BA flight to JFK without re-screening? Seriously?

Why does anyone from Pakistan deserve more security checks than other passengers? And by the way, I don't think he meant that transfer passengers should not be screened, but that they should not be screened twice...
Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 20):
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):

.
Ok and when does BA fly to any airport in Pakistan? or which Pakistani airline or any other airline carrying Pakistanis use T5?


User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

T5 was very good to travel through. I have never had a problem with it. On its own it is definitely on par with HKG and SIN. The layout is very easy to navigate through. It never seemed crowded. (I do have to note that I have never experienced very long queues there, and I use the EU lanes at immigration)

User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 61, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

Quoting Aviational (Reply 59):

BA may be the major carrier in T5, but it is not the only carrier at LHR, and a customer in T5 could have come from any carrier at the airport, including PIA.


User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6744 times:

I for one love Terminal 5 - whilst I agree with many of the comments up there, I do think these border lines are getting ridiculous now but that seems to be a LHR wide problem and it is getting a lot of media attention about it.

I love Terminal 5 loads and before I actually went through it for the first time, I was very sceptical about it (and BA as I hadn't flown them for a while). I love it! I think it is bright, open and at the end of the day (to the person that said DXB is better) - DXB's terminals are further apart than LHR Terminal 5 and you'd have to walk to them as far as I'm aware 5B and 5C are purely there for the purpose of gates, not for shopping or other things - they're all in the main terminal. As for bus gates, I've only been bussed twice and that was arriving, one time off a domestic from MAN another time off an international from RUH.

The "double security screening" - I'm not sure what you're on about there. As far as I'm aware all flights to the US (regardless of carrier) have some sort of second screening? I know when departing RUH both BA and BD have armed guards search your bags and pat you down in the jetway before boarding (as let's be honest, the security at RUH is a bit relaxed... to say the least). I think it's perfectly reasonable to be screened when transiting as CDG, FRA, ZRH, VIE and AMS (to name a few) will all screen you again before your next flight if you've just come off one that isn't in the Schengen zone. As the UK isn't, all passengers coming off an international flight will be screened again, it's a fact of life.

What I do think could be improved is the transit security area - this is crampt and a single line to get through the machines creates a huge bottle neck.

I say well done BA and well done LHR but keep improving! I'd certainly put it up there with HKG and SIN


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6690 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 62):
I'd certainly put it up there with HKG and SIN

Regards comparisons....

What you should do really is imagine SIN with another 385,000 passengers a WEEK or 55,000 a DAY or another 110 A380's a DAY because that would put it on a par with LHR.

That's the difference.

The fact that the largest free standing space in the UK can sometimes appear 'crowded'......should be a clue.

[Edited 2012-05-04 00:49:23]


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User currently offlinevhsmm From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6660 times:

While the building is light an airy, the facilities it offers aren't that great.

In any case the whole experience is ruined by the queues through security and immigration. They have always been long in my view.



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User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 63):
Regards comparisons....

What you should do really is imagine SIN with another 385,000 passengers a WEEK or 55,000 a DAY or another 110 A380's a DAY because that would put it on a par with LHR.

That's the difference.

The fact that the largest free standing space in the UK can sometimes appear 'crowded'......should be a clue.

You keep using this as a comparison, you can't excuse lack of facilities because of the number of people that go through the airport. It can appear crowded because it is, like pretty much every other UK airport, packed to the rafters with ways to extract money out of people.

I flew through T5 last month, and honestly, it was an experience I wouldn't be in a rush to go back for. Tried to use fast track (with a Club Europe boarding pass) and was told "Closed mate, over there", utmost professionalism! the staff manning the lanes were having a shouted conversation whilst completely ignoring me. Wasn't impressed. Airside facilities wise, what can I do whilst I wait? Shop, shop, shop, and more shopping. There's nothing else to it.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

Although the terminal is nice the arriving experience is DISGUSTING!

On Friday I arrived from ARN.. the flight was nice as it was a 763 upgauged to a long haul configuration so IFE etc etc BUT on arrival the queues were going all the way round to the furthest A gate for passport control. That is the government's faul of course but gave such a bad experience of the UK.

I am IRIS registered and after about 10 minutes of arguing I was let through where there was no queue. I pity the poor souls having to wait in the standard queue for up to 3 hours. Absolutely disgusting.

I am ashamed to be British.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5785 times:

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 65):
Airside facilities wise, what can I do whilst I wait?

What exactly would you want ? A hundred lane bowling alley and a night club ?

I like the shops (and the restaurants) and judging by the amount of people that are always in them spending money I'm not the only one.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 66):
I am IRIS registered and after about 10 minutes of arguing I was let through where there was no queue. I pity the poor souls having to wait in the standard queue for up to 3 hours. Absolutely disgusting.

A broke exchequer and a very high security status is not a good combination for airports.

Please, please try and remember that you and I have no idea what crosses the desks over at the foreign office and MI6.

The diamond jubilee, the Olympics etc......oh what's the point.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 66):
I am ashamed to be British.

Because you had to queue at immigration ?

Do you ever watch the news ?

[Edited 2012-05-04 03:33:42]

[Edited 2012-05-04 03:39:27]


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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 67):
A broke exchequer and a very high security status is not a good combination for airports.

Please, please try and remember that you and I have no idea what crosses the desks over at the foreign office and MI6.

The diamond jubilee, the Olympics etc......oh what's the point.

I think no-one is arguing that security is unnecessary, but the fact that it's necessary and obligatory shouldn't automatically mean waiting times of multiple hours.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 63):
Regards comparisons....

What you should do really is imagine SIN with another 385,000 passengers a WEEK or 55,000 a DAY or another 110 A380's a DAY because that would put it on a par with LHR.

That's the difference.

The fact that the largest free standing space in the UK can sometimes appear 'crowded'......should be a clue.

You're talking about the whole LHR airport, not only about T5. If we're comparing terminals, I'd say there are terminals of the same size to compare to. I'm not going to argue about which is better as I've never been in T5 yet. I do want to say that regardless of number of passengers, it is the task of an airport to handle the expected flow in a dignified way. It's like saying "we don't mind an evacuation time of 6 minutes on an Airbus A380, as it's bigger than other aircraft".


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 69, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

I recently read an article saying that LHR is already experiencing unprecedented immigration queues upon arrival, with fears that it will only get worse with the busy summer period and of course Olympics on the horizon. While such long lines/waits are no fault of the terminal itself, it seems the airport is leaving a very nasty impression on many of its visitors and regular users. Not to mention regular LHR issues, like a lack of available jetbridges (although this seems to be a very common issue outside of the U.S.) and inevitable flow control delays thanks to a lack of runway capacity. T5 is a vast improvement, a true world-class gem fitting of a leading global city like London, but I think plenty of people will still find reasons to hate it since it suffers from problems that are endemic to all facilities at LHR. I just ask that those complainers spend some time in LHR T5, and then proceed to spend equal amounts of time at LGA, ORD T2, FLL T4, etc.


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User currently offlinewindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 70, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5548 times:

First of all, security is an unfortunate necessity. There are how ever many ways to carry out this task, and I think EU and UK in particular can do their job much much more appropriate. Just look a guy in the eyes and ask him a few questions, and I guarantee that you will find who you are looking for much more efficiently.

After all I hear now that the US are talking about body bombs. Bombs being surgically implanted into a living person... So now where does this leave the fancy scanners?

Secondly you can still undertake a serious job, and still be respectful and polite towards travelers who are not terrorists. Actually being subservient and polite towards another person, also more effectively separate travelers with a stable mentality and those who do not have a stable mentality(not meant somatically). Making it far more obvious to security personnel who they should pay special attention to and maybe even separate from the rest for extraordinary screening .

Psychology is becoming a bigger and bigger part of crime solving, and why this has not been applied more in airport security is beyond me.

Boaz.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5521 times:

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 68):
it is the task of an airport to handle the expected flow in a dignified way.

Since when is queueing not dignified ?

I didn't vote Terminal 5 the best I merely passed on the news story.

I do however find the comments fascinating.

Whenever I decide to fly anywhere be it for business or pleasure my very last considerations are the airports involved.

I certainly would not cancel or alter a trip to avoid a particular airport like some on here. That to me is rather silly.

If it means I have to queue at immigration for 2 hours then so be it.

I've queued longer than that to get on a ride at Disney World for heavens sake.

I'm not saying it's ideal but that's just the way it is at the moment.

It doesn't seem to be putting off the 70M approx people that use the airport annually. Passengers were up 6% last year.



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5465 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 71):
Since when is queueing not dignified ?

I didn't vote Terminal 5 the best I merely passed on the news story.

I do however find the comments fascinating.

Whenever I decide to fly anywhere be it for business or pleasure my very last considerations are the airports involved.

I certainly would not cancel or alter a trip to avoid a particular airport like some on here. That to me is rather silly.

If it means I have to queue at immigration for 2 hours then so be it.

I've queued longer than that to get on a ride at Disney World for heavens sake.

I'm not saying it's ideal but that's just the way it is at the moment.

It doesn't seem to be putting off the 70M approx people that use the airport annually. Passengers were up 6% last year.

There are a lot of people who do, DXB and AMS are a rather big part of the reason why EK and KL attract so many connecting passengers. LHR doesn't need this, as O&D is big enough, so it will always see high passenger numbers.

I'm not trying to argue about the right or wrong of T5, I'm only questioning your arguments. Queuing is never a pleasant experience, not for me at least. I will happily queue in special circumstances, and I understand there can be queues at peak hours, but if queues are as long as reported on a day-to-day basis, something is wrong with the infrastructure or the contractor (immigration officers in this case, I guess).

I do know a lot of people who avoid certain airports though. I don't have a blacklist, but I have preference for nice airports and will choose for them if possible (meaning I do choose ZRH over FRA on a regular basis).


User currently offlineflykev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5400 times:
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I wouldn't say its the best terminal I have been through in my opinion (maybe on of the terminals SFO?) but it certainly is a lot better than many airports and airport terminals I have been through (LAX I'm looking at you).
It does feel light airy and spacious and unlike Terminal 3, the architects realised that "people want to look out windows!" and have thankfully adopted to this. There is a good range of eateries for all budgets (I like my pre-flight Wetherspoons) and plenty of seats.
However there are some design flaws; such as some of the A gates (A12 I think) feel like they were last minute additions due to their lack of space (even for an A319 flight) and the way they almost feel hidden behind a shop or restaurant and some of the other gate areas do seem to cause queues that stretch way back into the terminal.

Arrivals can be hit or miss, the first time I went through was horrendous; and took a good 45 minutes to clear a very busy immigration area, whilst the second time was a lot smoother (perhaps due to landing at the B terminal?).

Baggage wise I haven't sent any suitcases through; however they did manage to not only delivery my hockey sticks to me in one piece on the baggage reclaim belt but also got them out before anyone else's baggage. Though of course part of the thanks there has to go to the handlers in ARN.

I think T5 is like marmite - your either going to love it or hate it.

Kev.



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User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 2):
The crazy double screening for transit passengers, even when they are arriving and departing from T5

So you think someone arriving at T5 from Pakistan should be allowed to board a BA flight to JFK without re-screening? Seriously?

WIth the opening of T5C there is a lot less bussing. As to a whole new OneWorld Terminal, one thing at a time. BA got a new building, Skyteam got the refurbed T4, STAR get the new T2, Oneworld are next.

[Edited 2012-05-03 07:25:10]

Exactly! Having travelled a lot over the years, T5 is streets ahead of any US terminal I've been through. I've always found the staff at T5 at very least cordial and professional. Yes, the immigration processing is a complete disaster at the moment, but that's nothing to do with BAA or the terminal itself. Of course, there are still vast improvements to be made to airport over the coming years, but all in good time!


User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Flew through T5 a couple of weeks ago and it was a good experience. Security (even fast track which I had) was slow, but that seems to be a design fault, and not confines to LHR though. Why when they built the roller track after the Xray machine, is it so short? If the track was triple the length you could push the bags/coats/laptops right down out of way. It is people putting belts/coats/re packing laptops back in, all within about 10ft of the machines that cause the delays.


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User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 63):
What you should do really is imagine SIN with another 385,000 passengers a WEEK or 55,000 a DAY or another 110 A380's a DAY because that would put it on a par with LHR.

Guess what. You can put all the people flowing through LHR in all its terminals into the terminals in SIN, and SIN will still hum along fine. Simply because SIN's current design capacity is 73 million, higher than LHR's 69 million handled in 2011. What is LHR's design capacity for comparison?

In other words, SIN is currently operating at only 63% of its design capacity. A planning oversight? No, because SIN intentionally builds far ahead of time with the very intention of avoiding overcrowding. And SIN is still expanding...it will grow to 82 million capacity when T4 opens in 2017, and plans to double the entire airport size is already in the works with land reclaimed years ago, part of the future 3rd runway completed for use by the military in the interim, and T5 being planned right now, etc.

So quit telling us LHR deserves better just because it handles more passengers. The barometer of a good airport is one which is capable of ensuring a good experience for all passengers at all times, including peak hours. So if LHR T5 is to be the world's best airport, are we being unreasonable to expect that from it, especially when there are other terminals capable of doing this well?

Since you consider SIN to be just another airport while LHR deserves its award, perhaps you can run a list of areas in which SIN should improve to be on par with LHR T5? Surely we have lots to learn from the world's best?  
Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 65):
You keep using this as a comparison, you can't excuse lack of facilities because of the number of people that go through the airport. It can appear crowded because it is, like pretty much every other UK airport, packed to the rafters with ways to extract money out of people.

   Precisely.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 77, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 76):
In other words, SIN is currently operating at only 63% of its design capacity. A planning oversight? No, because SIN intentionally builds far ahead of time with the very intention of avoiding overcrowding. And SIN is still expanding...it will grow to 82 million capacity when T4 opens in 2017, and plans to double the entire airport size is already in the works with land reclaimed years ago, part of the future 3rd runway completed for use by the military in the interim, and T5 being planned right now, etc.

That's very nice for you, well done. Let's just hope they come to you and not DXB.

I'm just saying that unlike SIN where demand is obviously comparatively muted (-23M), at LHR it doesn't matter how many terminals or runways they build because the place will always be packed with people and at nigh on full capacity.

That's just the nature of the flow of people wishing to travel in and out of the London area.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 77):

That's very nice for you, well done. Let's just hope they come to you and not DXB.

I'm just saying that unlike SIN where demand is obviously comparatively muted (-23M), at LHR it doesn't matter how many terminals or runways they build because the place will always be packed with people and at nigh on full capacity.

That's just the nature of the flow of people wishing to travel in and out of the London area.

That is ridiculous.

If LHR built for future growth, then it wouldn't always be packed... Since their building is reactionary, rather than proactive, it is always packed.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 78):
That is ridiculous.

If LHR built for future growth, then it wouldn't always be packed... Since their building is reactionary, rather than proactive, it is always packed.

aeroblogger...in a few years time when your economy is mature and the bigger percentage of your population can afford to fly.....you will face exactly the same problems.

If you look at what I originally posted it was not 'I' that said Terminal 5 was the worlds' best...I just drew attention to the news report because I too was surprised.....I merely said....

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
Are rays of sunshine beginning to break through the clouds over LHR ?

Perfectly reasonable I would of thought.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Nota Bene aeroblogger.....maybe we should take a leaf out of your book and ban the A380 ?

How about that ?



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 79):

aeroblogger...in a few years time when your economy is mature and the bigger percentage of your population can afford to fly.....you will face exactly the same problems.

Quite right. A lot of airports in India will probably face that problem. Singapore? Probably not...

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 80):
Nota Bene aeroblogger.....maybe we should take a leaf out of your book and ban the A380 ?

Banning the A380 is a very smart move on the part of the Indian government. If they allowed one airline in, they'd have to allow them all in. And the last thing India needs right now is more capacity to India from EK.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4649 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 78):
That is ridiculous.

If LHR built for future growth, then it wouldn't always be packed... Since their building is reactionary, rather than proactive, it is always packed.
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 81):
Banning the A380 is a very smart move on the part of the Indian government. If they allowed one airline in, they'd have to allow them all in. And the last thing India needs right now is more capacity to India from EK.

Laughable, utterly protectionist policies. India has nothing to teach anyone.


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

May be not the world's best airport terminal, but it has delivered a huge improvement in BA's day to day operational peformance in punctuality and baggage handling. Plus its architect had to work within considerable physical constraints of the amount of available land mass at LHR.

LHR's problems haven't gone away but the terminal has been a success compared to what was there before.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 84, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 81):
Banning the A380 is a very smart move on the part of the Indian government. If they allowed one airline in, they'd have to allow them all in. And the last thing India needs right now is more capacity to India from EK.

Let's not go down that road, I feel as though I'm on thin ice here anyway ! LOL

Look, think about these two routes...

LHR - DXB

EK's got what... 5 A380's a day and counting plus the BA and VS services.

LHR - JFK

6/7 BA 744's, plus VS, DL, AA etc

How the hell did we cope before Terminal 5 ?

In a few years time we'll be asking how the hell did we cope before Termianl 6 ?

What's the asnwer ? Flatten the whole of Hounslow ??

That's just the way it is with 'old' airports that have eventually been hemmed in by development.

It's very difficult to be pro-active.

Especially when you consider the state of the economy and the NIMBY/Green element.

You just have to get on with it I guess but 'at least' the situation has improved and is improving.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

We live in a democracy. Unlike Dubai and Singapore, that has a price in terms of the government just building what it likes.

User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 86, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 85):
We live in a democracy. Unlike Dubai and Singapore, that has a price in terms of the government just building what it likes.

That's right.

Of LHR's 70M passengers...66M get through immigration in under 25 minutes.

Or 95 %.

( you just don't read about that in the media )

Now in my book that's not bad going, considering the other improvements too, it's not bad going at all !



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User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 43):
I wasn't referring to the security check but to the check by BA ground staff before you can proceed to the security checkpoint.

It's called 'Ready to Fly' - it's effectively there to make sure you have all the right boarding documentation and are ready for your connecting flight so that you don't then have to do that at the boarding gate.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 88, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

Quoting RTFM (Reply 87):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 43):
I wasn't referring to the security check but to the check by BA ground staff before you can proceed to the security checkpoint.

It's called 'Ready to Fly' - it's effectively there to make sure you have all the right boarding documentation and are ready for your connecting flight so that you don't then have to do that at the boarding gate.

Then why don't you have to do any of that at AMS or any other major hubs? You just walk to your next gate and, assuming you already have your boarding pass for the next flight as almost everyone does these days, you sit down, wait until the flight is called, and board. I've never had a problem with my "boarding documentation" anywhere else. I just don't understand why LHR is different. It also requires a lot of BA staff that adds to their costs.

Another thing I just thought of that I don't like about LHR compared to other hubs is that they don't post the gate numbers for flights until quite close to departure time (a couple of hours maximum I believe), so you don't know what gate your flight will be leaving from until then. At AMS/FRA/ZRH/CDG etc. the gate number is available hours before departure time and appears on the flight display screens. Occasionally the gate may change but in that case they make an announcement. And at the gate, the display monitors show both the current flight and the next couple of flights scheduled to use that gate.

They must know what gate a flight is going to be using much further in advance. Why not display it so passengers, if they wish, can go and wait near the gate instead of in the crowded central terminal area. I expect one reason is that the current procedure encourages them to spend more money in overpriced duty-free shops.


User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 67):
What exactly would you want ? A hundred lane bowling alley and a night club ?

I like the shops (and the restaurants) and judging by the amount of people that are always in them spending money I'm not the only one.

No not at all, but there are so many things I can do without any cost to me at SIN compared to LHR T5, free 24 hour cinema screenings, Singapore city tour, amongst other things.

I suppose there are free things to do at T5, if you can find a seat then they don't cost anything.

Shops are going to be busy when there's nothing else to do, I suppose it suits BAA though, which is ultimately all they care about.


User currently offlinevegetables2001 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 63):
What you should do really is imagine SIN with another 385,000 passengers a WEEK or 55,000 a DAY or another 110 A380's a DAY because that would put it on a par with LHR.

That in a nutshell is why LHR is unpleasant to travel through.

An empty airport is much nicer to travel through than a busy one no matter how sparkly T5 is.



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4166 posts, RR: 13
Reply 91, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Well, it seems a significant number of people hold T5 in high esteem. My own view is that is certainly architecturally one of the finest terminals in the world, and it would be up there in my list of favourites for user friendliness too, but I would not quite rate it as THE best. Again, its the usual suspects of HKG and SIN that I would rate ahead of it, but T5 would still feature in my top 10!

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 85):
We live in a democracy. Unlike Dubai and Singapore, that has a price in terms of the government just building what it likes.

Far be it from me to interrupt the chest beating session, but being a democracy is hardly an excuse.

France continues to expand CDG, and has kept it ahead of demand.

The US continues to expand ATL, and has kept it ahead of demand.

Germany continues to expand MUC, and also has kept it ahead of demand. (FRA i'll accept, is indeed a bit of a shithole)


There's this certain something about Heathrow best personified in the publicity video the BAA produced for T5 before it opened.

It's opening line was "Here, at Europe's largest building site, the world's biggest air terminal is being built, at the world's busiest airport, beside the world's busiest Motorway".

Just one problem - it wasn't Europe's biggest building site, or the world's biggest terminal, Heathrow is not the world's busiest airport, and the M25 isnt the world's, or even Europe's, busiest motorway either.

There's a tonne of "willy waving" about Heathrow that just does not stack up - almost as if congestion and interminable delays are something to be prized, that they mean success and desirability. they aren't and they don't.. It's not democracy that has messed Heathrow up, it's lack of political will, an overdose of bullshit, and a failure to have a long term plan.

It's problems are fixable, but it needs to get over this "ooh look how busy we are". Great airports work.

Busiest does not equal best.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 88):
Then why don't you have to do any of that at AMS or any other major hubs? You just walk to your next gate and, assuming you already have your boarding pass for the next flight as almost everyone does these days, you sit down, wait until the flight is called, and board. I've never had a problem with my "boarding documentation" anywhere else. I just don't understand why LHR is different. It also requires a lot of BA staff that adds to their costs.

British immigration rules seperate UK departures and arrivals unlike say Amsterdam. If I miss my flight at AMS, I can walk back through immigration and back out. In LHR, once airside, there is no opportunity to walk landside without an escort. Hence your documentation will be checked at LHR on connection to see if you have any business remaining airside. If you do not make the -35 Conformance rule with BA, you will need to be rebooked and will not be permitted into the lounge.


User currently offlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2026 posts, RR: 15
Reply 93, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 88):
Another thing I just thought of that I don't like about LHR compared to other hubs is that they don't post the gate numbers for flights until quite close to departure time (a couple of hours maximum I believe), so you don't know what gate your flight will be leaving from until then.

This, to me, is one of the most annoying things about LHR, in T5 or any of the other terminals. It seems like such a blatant attempt to force you into one of Heathrow's bazaar-like "shopping lounges" and separate you from your money. Another UK airport - I believe it was EDI - used to actually put the phrase "Relax and Shop" on the departure screens under the status column, instead of the standard "wait in lounge." A few years back in T3, I was standing near one of the few unblocked windows in the corridor just outside the departure lounge, and a BAA staff member came over and told me to go back to the lounge, that I wasn't allowed in the corridor for security reasons.

When I first saw photos of T5 I was delighted by all of the glass - it seemed BAA had finally, at long last, discovered that a window was an important architectural concept. But again, you're limited to the very narrow range of windows available from the two large seating areas until your gate number is posted. So while large aircraft from all of the world's premier airlines taxi by outside, you get to stand there looking at Wagamama and World Duty Free outlets instead.

As an airline enthusiast I can appreciate that not everyone wants to sit and watch aircraft, and that many passengers enjoy having shopping choices. But that's just it - choice. HKG, SIN, ICN, AMS, MAD, etc etc, all give you options for how you want to spend your time there. That's what makes them passenger-friendly. LHR gives you two options - spend money in shops or wander aimlessly through the overcrowded departure lounge trying to find an open seat among the intentionally limited inventory of them. That might be good business for BAA, but it'll never make people remember their time there fondly, as they do at Changi or Schiphol.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 88):
Another thing I just thought of that I don't like about LHR compared to other hubs is that they don't post the gate numbers for flights until quite close to departure time

Due to a lack of space, most aircraft are allocated a gate on short final. Even at T5, when a BA flight touches down, the gate may just have been allocated depending which one of 3-4 aircraft pushed first to free up a stand. It's like hot desking....there just is not the ability to plan that far ahead, gate changes are common as aircraft taxi in as well.


User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 95, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 77):
That's very nice for you, well done. Let's just hope they come to you and not DXB.

Considering the competition from DXB, and the tiny resident population we have here, it is amazing that SIN is handling over nine times Singapore's population, and in 2011, its growth rate was 10.7%, a figure comparable to DXB's 8.1%. I don't suppose the investments made were to shut you up.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 77):
I'm just saying that unlike SIN where demand is obviously comparatively muted (-23M), at LHR it doesn't matter how many terminals or runways they build because the place will always be packed with people and at nigh on full capacity.

In other words, you might as well stop building since it will be crowded pretty soon after anyway?

No wonder LHR can never grow beyond two runways.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 79):
aeroblogger...in a few years time when your economy is mature and the bigger percentage of your population can afford to fly.....you will face exactly the same problems.

The problem facing UK's crowded airports is not the higher propensity to fly per se. if so, every developed economy out there will have airports in the same state as LHR, which they are obviously not. When you have a Brit behind the award-winning and bustling HKG, and nothing as efficient in the UK itself, that speaks alot for itself.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 84):
What's the asnwer ? Flatten the whole of Hounslow ??

That's just the way it is with 'old' airports that have eventually been hemmed in by development.

It's very difficult to be pro-active.

Especially when you consider the state of the economy and the NIMBY/Green element.

You just have to get on with it I guess but 'at least' the situation has improved and is improving.

Difficult to be pro-active? Or lack of foresight? Is London the only urban city which experiences urban sprawl and have NIMBY/Greenies in their midst?

Countless airports in highly developed countries have done the "impossible": rip themselves out of urban centres and move to rural areas with room to expand, or build second airports far outside the city. SIN did that three decades ago, as did HKG more recently, to much success. NRT, KIX, ICN...the list goes on. And the pattern has been occurring across the developing world: BKK, KUL, PVG, CAN, and the new mega airport in Beijing.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 85):
We live in a democracy. Unlike Dubai and Singapore, that has a price in terms of the government just building what it likes.

Last I checked, 60.1% of Singaporean voters voted the current government in. The rest of the story is for another time and space.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 90):
An empty airport is much nicer to travel through than a busy one no matter how sparkly T5 is.

That makes alot of sense economically ??

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 95):
In other words, you might as well stop building since it will be crowded pretty soon after anyway?

Pretty much I'm afraid.

Hey, I don't know what the answer is because there's no money (perceived anyway) for a new airport and nobody wants it in their back garden. Even a third runway won't be much use without 2 more new terminals.

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 95):
Difficult to be pro-active? Or lack of foresight? Is London the only urban city which experiences urban sprawl and have NIMBY/Greenies in their midst?
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 91):
France continues to expand CDG, and has kept it ahead of demand.

The US continues to expand ATL, and has kept it ahead of demand.

Germany continues to expand MUC, and also has kept it ahead of demand. (FRA i'll accept, is indeed a bit of a shithole)

You can't compare different cultures like that !?! This is Britain we're talking about. Rightly or wrongly we have to hold a board meeting before we take a dump over here. You're both being incredibly....I don't know....unworldly !!

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 91):
Busiest does not equal best.

Success on a global scale (in all manner of ways) of any one area is to a certain degree dependent on its links to the rest of the world.

With that in mind London (arguably the capital of the world) has been reliant on LHR for 70 approx years and it has served it well and contributed vastly to the massive success of the city.

Ask anyone in the world to name an overseas airport and they will probably say 'Heathrow'.

Not even London but 'Heathrow'.....all that considered I think it's a pretty fine airport.

[Edited 2012-05-05 01:37:38]


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User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 97, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

London - capital of the world?? Thanks, you made me laugh a good 15 minutes!!! Honestly, what a pathetic statement!

User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3709 times:

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 97):
London - capital of the world?? Thanks, you made me laugh a good 15 minutes!!! Honestly, what a pathetic statement!

Actually I tend to agree and hence the importance of a descent airport and even with T5 around still no airport that really represents the type of city you are arriving at.


User currently offlinejlarsson From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Mikey72.

It's time to remove your blindfold and actually get updated on what has happen'd in the world the last 50 years.

UK has since long lost the "glory" you claim you once had.

The only way for any of the LHR terminals to be the best in the world would be if you closed it and teared it down.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Quoting jlarsson (Reply 99):
The only way for any of the LHR terminals to be the best in the world would be if you closed it and teared it down.

Which if you were as informed as you make out you'd get the irony in what you just said. I'll give you a clue, it's surrounded by cranes and attached to the EuroPier.


User currently offlinejlarsson From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 100):
Which if you were as informed as you make out you'd get the irony in what you just said. I'll give you a clue, it's surrounded by cranes and attached to the EuroPier.

I never said anything about re-building it.     



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 102, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 97):
London - capital of the world?? Thanks, you made me laugh a good 15 minutes!!! Honestly, what a pathetic statement!

'arguably' I said...again perfectly reasonable.

Quoting jlarsson (Reply 99):
It's time to remove your blindfold and actually get updated on what has happen'd in the world the last 50 years.

UK has since long lost the "glory" you claim you once had.

The only way for any of the LHR terminals to be the best in the world would be if you closed it and teared it down.

Mmmm....you don't need to be Freud to read between those lines. Anglophobic are we ?

Quoting jlarsson (Reply 101):
I never said anything about re-building it

Well which airport do you think would be missed the most ?

LHR at 70M passengers or ARN at 20.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 103, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 97):
London - capital of the world?? Thanks, you made me laugh a good 15 minutes!!! Honestly, what a pathetic statement!

Pathetic............? Again based on the below I'd say 'arguably' the capital of the world is reasonable...

London is the capital city of England and the United Kingdom, the largest metropolitan area in the United Kingdom, and the largest urban zone in the European Union by most measures.

London has been a major settlement for two millennia, its history going back to its founding by the Romans.

London is a leading global city, with strengths in the arts, commerce, education, entertainment, fashion, finance, healthcare, media, professional services, research and development, tourism and transport all contributing to its prominence.

It is the world's leading financial centre alongside New York City and has the fifth-largest city GDP in the world (and the largest in Europe)

London has been described as a world cultural capital.

It has the third most international visitors in the world ...

...and London Heathrow is the world's busiest airport by number of international passengers.

London's 43 universities form the largest concentration of higher education in Europe.

In 2012 London will become the first city to host the modern Summer Olympic Games three times.

So jlarsson...you were saying about the last 50 years.....?



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

I hereby declare my hometown of Udupi, Karnataka, India (nearest airport 2 hours away is IXE) as the capital of the world. Arguably of course  
Quoting huaiwei (Reply 95):

Difficult to be pro-active? Or lack of foresight? Is London the only urban city which experiences urban sprawl and have NIMBY/Greenies in their midst?

Countless airports in highly developed countries have done the "impossible": rip themselves out of urban centres and move to rural areas with room to expand, or build second airports far outside the city. SIN did that three decades ago, as did HKG more recently, to much success. NRT, KIX, ICN...the list goes on. And the pattern has been occurring across the developing world: BKK, KUL, PVG, CAN, and the new mega airport in Beijing.

+1

London's problems are its own making.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 105, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 104):
London's problems are its own making.
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 103):
London is the capital city of England and the United Kingdom, the largest metropolitan area in the United Kingdom, and the largest urban zone in the European Union by most measures.

London has been a major settlement for two millennia, its history going back to its founding by the Romans.

London is a leading global city, with strengths in the arts, commerce, education, entertainment, fashion, finance, healthcare, media, professional services, research and development, tourism and transport all contributing to its prominence.

It is the world's leading financial centre alongside New York City and has the fifth-largest city GDP in the world (and the largest in Europe)

London has been described as a world cultural capital.

It has the third most international visitors in the world ...

...and London Heathrow is the world's busiest airport by number of international passengers.

London's 43 universities form the largest concentration of higher education in Europe.

Mmm.... no wonder the wonder the airport is busy when you consider the above !!



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 106, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 104):
London's problems are its own making.

aeroblooger...(forgive the old style names).... but I have visited Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta, Madras...

That said aeroblogger......people that live in glass houses should not throw bricks.......

Maybe, perhaps...don't you think ?

India and the UK are wonderful countries both with their own set of problems but there is nothiing unreasonable in saying that 'London is arguably the capital of the world'

If we were to debate say the top 5 candidates then London would be one of them thus 'arguably' is accurate.

  



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5366 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 104):
London's problems are its own making.

+2

If Aeroblogger can get away with it then, I declare Canberra the centre of the universe. That is how artificial the whole "London is the best thing since sliced bread" thing is.

And I'm a British citizen....



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 108, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 107):
If Aeroblogger can get away with it then, I declare Canberra the centre of the universe. That is how artificial the whole "London is the best thing since sliced bread" thing is.

And I'm a British citizen....

Well I imagine Canberra has slighlty more going for it than Udupi !!

(no offence Udupians)

What year is it in Canberra btw RyanairGuru ?

'76 ?

  



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User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 109, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

You can make a similar list for a number of cities worldwide... and you can also make quite a negative list on London too (as one could for a number of cities worldwide).
What I find ridiculous is the imperial notion of "capital of the world"... a bit silly really! To argue that for any city!!


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 109):
What I find ridiculous is the imperial notion of "capital of the world"... a bit silly really! To argue that for any city!!

Look, I am a well travelled man, I have travelled the world and I consider myself a citizen of the world.

I've gazed in awe over Rio from the feet of Christ The Redeemer, looked down at the beauty of Paris from atop the Eiffel Tower, stood dumstruck at the majesty of The Empire State building from the roof of the mighty Twin Towers (RIP), practically laughed in surprise at the emotion invoked at the sight of Sydney Harbour, had the most delicious meal I think I will ever eat in Nairobi.....

With that in mind I didn't say what I said about London out of some mis-placed pride or because I have a Union Jack draped corn cob stuck up my bottom.

Had I said 'London is the capital of the world'....I would agree but I did use the word 'arguably'......

Maybe it's New York, maybe it's Shanghai, maybe its Frankfurt or maybe its Dubai....my point was that any airport that has supported and fed a city like London must be doing something right.

Truce ?



Flying is like sex - I've never had all I wanted but occasionally I've had all I can stand.
User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 111, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

How much did BA pay for that title?

Check in is nice, but the security queues are awful with the staff shouting at the passengers all the time Trouble is, the people they are shouting at don't speak English hence they don't understand.

My other gripe about the place is the lack of signage. It's not very clear where things are apart from departures and arrivals.

The double exits coming out of arrivals also causes people to miss arriving friends and family.

There are much better terminals than T5.


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 112, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 111):
with the staff shouting at the passengers all the time

Really? I'm their all the time and I don't think I have heard staff "shouting" at customers. Yes, telling the the next line to go in, reminding them of liquids etc when going though security, the same as in any airport

Quoting babybus (Reply 111):
My other gripe about the place is the lack of signage. It's not very clear where things are apart from departures and arrivals.

Details?


User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 97):
London - capital of the world?? Thanks, you made me laugh a good 15 minutes!!! Honestly, what a pathetic statement!

I couldn't agree more, when obviously the capital is Vantaa, home of the Helsinki-Vantaa airport 

Seriously though, I have some comments on this thread. I think T5, the building, is actually pretty nice. I would rate the building as such on top three best airport buildings in the world. There are some issues with size, sprawling retail space, unnecessary up and down movements, but still. It is an excellent building, and a pleasure to be in.

That being said, unfortunately T5 exists in an environment that has some downsides. Big downsides that clearly do disqualify it from any list of best airports. Here are some of the issues: horribly long bus transfers, frequently you have to wait for something silly (like stairs for the aircraft, or the bus), bad routing (long bus ride from aircraft to terminal, and then ride back to the same place), politics that prevent reasonable expansion, security that seems to be the most brittle compared to anywhere else for the slightest fears, frequently losing luggage on transfer, etc, etc. Did I mention wrong power plug standard? 

I avoid LHR like plague. (And flying through next week! Pray for the delivery of my luggage.)


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 114, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 113):
I avoid LHR like plague

Obviously not...

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 113):
And flying through next week!

  



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 115, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 113):
Quoting TYCOON (Reply 97):London - capital of the world?? Thanks, you made me laugh a good 15 minutes!!! Honestly, what a pathetic statement!
I couldn't agree more, when obviously the capital is Vantaa, home of the Helsinki-Vantaa airport

Do you know I think it's really sad that you cannot nominate a city like London as 'arguably' the capital of the world without getting a load of sarcastic, anglophobic and to be honest unpleasant remarks from some.

Why couldn't you say 'well London's up there, great city, but personally I think Los Angeles has got the edge' etc etc

But no....people have to get 'nasty'

Why is that ?

Must be some sort of inferiority complex.....?

Very sad indeed.

Same goes for LHR....all this because I said....'are rays of sunshine beginning to break through the clouds over LHR'

All perfectly reasonable.

??????



Flying is like sex - I've never had all I wanted but occasionally I've had all I can stand.
User currently offlinejlarsson From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 102):
Mmmm....you don't need to be Freud to read between those lines. Anglophobic are we ?



Absolutely not.

I'm Heathrowophobic.

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 113):
I avoid LHR like plague.



I'd rather have the plague than going through LHR.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 103):
In 2012 London will become the first city to host the modern Summer Olympic Games three times.



I will laugh my teeth off seeing people standing at row 23 of the airplane and can't move forward as they are at the back of the line for immigration.

You can say what you want but LHR is a total disaster and should be outlawed.



Next trip; ARN-FRA-YYC-YVR-SEA-ORD-BOS-MUC-GOT.
User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 115):
Do you know I think it's really sad that you cannot nominate a city like London as 'arguably' the capital of the world without getting a load of sarcastic, anglophobic and to be honest unpleasant remarks from some.

Take it easy   Some of the remarks were made with tongue in cheek (mine certainly was).

London is one of the world's great cities. And LHR is one of the largest airports, with a proud history.

(But I still disagree with the way the place is run and designed. In my honest personal experience, I'd be better off flying through other places.)

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 114):
Obviously not...

Another tongue in cheek statement... I *do* try to avoid LHR if I only can. But I suspect that like many other complainers in this thread, we eventually give in and have to fly through it for various reasons. My reasons had to do with alternative routes having too tight connections that I could not risk missing. OTOH, it would also be easy to miss a flight in LHR due to waiting for X hours for stairs to arrive to the HEL-LHR plane...


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 117):
I *do* try to avoid LHR

Indeed, why would someone interested in any way in aviation want any excuse to pass through an airport like Heathrow. Too many distractions?

Quoting jlarsson (Reply 116):
You can say what you want but LHR is a total disaster and should be outlawed.

Take a deep breath and tell us what happened?

The whole up and down nonsense is a planning constraint, to get all that floorspace into such a small site. Once you've done it's easy enough to navigate.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 106):

If we were to debate say the top 5 candidates then London would be one of them thus 'arguably' is accurate.

I disagree.

By my criteria, the top 5 candidates are:
Udupi (my hometown)
Manipal (neighboring town to my hometown, with a nice bus station)
Bajpe (nearest airport to my hometown)
Padumanur (my ancestral home)
Canberra (because RyanairGuru likes it)

Where is London on this list? (hint: it's not  )

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 117):
I *do* try to avoid LHR if I only can. But I suspect that like many other complainers in this thread, we eventually give in and have to fly through it for various reasons.

+1. LHR is poorly designed and poorly run compared to what you'd expect from the "capital of the world" - that doesn't mean that it's the worst airport in the world or something - that honor would go to DKR. But there are many better options, so I try to choose those whenever possible. When I say better options, I mean airports like ZRH, MUC, AMS, DXB, SIN, ICN, or even BKK.



Airports 2012: IXE HYD DEL BLR BOM CCU KNU KTM BKK SIN ICN LAX BUR SFO PHX IAH ORD EWR PHL PVD BOS FRA MUC IST
User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 119):
LHR is poorly designed and poorly run compared to what you'd expect from the "capital of the world"

It's exactly what you'd expect. It was one of the first modern age airports as London is often out in front of the pack due to it's World CIty status, however given that we don't have the land to build, build and build, growth is organic and piecemeal. Slowly BAA are correcting the lack of investment of too many years. I can't wait to try the new Terminal 2.

Why are you wittering on about Indian towns nobody has heard of and the bus stations we're not going to visit.....?


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 120):

It's exactly what you'd expect. It was one of the first modern age airports as London is often out in front of the pack due to it's World CIty status, however given that we don't have the land to build, build and build, growth is organic and piecemeal. Slowly BAA are correcting the lack of investment of too many years. I can't wait to try the new Terminal 2.

I don't disagree. LHR has a lot of disadvantages (early mover, lack of land, etc). What I'm disagreeing on is that LHR has the world's best terminal. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 120):


Why are you wittering on about Indian towns nobody has heard of and the bus stations we're not going to visit.....?

Because Mikey72 is wittering on about how London is the capital of the world.



Airports 2012: IXE HYD DEL BLR BOM CCU KNU KTM BKK SIN ICN LAX BUR SFO PHX IAH ORD EWR PHL PVD BOS FRA MUC IST
User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 121):
Because Mikey72 is wittering on about how London is the capital of the world.

If any city could make that claim, odd as it sounds, it would be London. Nothing else comes close, and believe me I have travelled far and wide. T5 is not the best in the world, I agree but enough with the bus stations.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 123, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Quoting jlarsson (Reply 116):
You can say what you want but LHR is a total disaster and should be outlawed.

How old are you ?



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 124, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 121):
Because Mikey72 is wittering on about how London is the capital of the world.

'arguably' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on Mr put your money where your mouth is and tell us what your top 10 candidate cities would be ?

Realistically (and leaving Udupi aside !! ) if London isn't one of them I will have to discount your opinion.

If it is one of them then 'arguably' is a perfectly reasonable word to use.



Flying is like sex - I've never had all I wanted but occasionally I've had all I can stand.
User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 125, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 96):

That makes alot of sense economically ??

As evidence has shown, it does for SIN. The relatively empty terminals were sometimes seen negatively by Chinese travellers who consider it important to fill buildings with the human spirit as a sign of success, but countless survey responses from international travellers have identified this very aspect of SIN which helps to calm the minds of anxious travellers and many have chosen to fly through here for this very reason.

And the opposite is true for LHR. There are people who avoid congested airports if they can, especially if they are merely transiting through it.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 96):

Pretty much I'm afraid.

Hey, I don't know what the answer is because there's no money (perceived anyway) for a new airport and nobody wants it in their back garden. Even a third runway won't be much use without 2 more new terminals.

So care to explain why they bothered to build T5? And Heathrow East? They will be packed pretty soon anyway, going by your train of thought? And no, LHR needs the third runway much more urgently than two more passenger terminals.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 96):
You can't compare different cultures like that !?! This is Britain we're talking about. Rightly or wrongly we have to hold a board meeting before we take a dump over here. You're both being incredibly....I don't know....unworldly !!

In case you have gone a little off-tangent, the title of this topic which you created was that LHR T5 is voted the world's best. An airport terminal cannot be the world's best if it has not been subjected to comparisons with terminals from around the world, so are you now going to argue the award is invalid as it fails to take into account different cultures around the world?

So while you can accept comparisons when the results favour your subject of fanboyism, you reject it when you could not quite explain why LHR can't match up to global expectations?

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 96):
With that in mind London (arguably the capital of the world) has been reliant on LHR for 70 approx years and it has served it well and contributed vastly to the massive success of the city.

This sounds like something which came straight out of a propaganda piece of the Chinese Communist Party.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 96):
Ask anyone in the world to name an overseas airport and they will probably say 'Heathrow'.

If I were to really pop that question of yours to my friends, they would just say Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok or Hong Kong. Who in their right mind would transport their consciousness to halfway round the planet just to pick one example for a category with hundreds of valid examples all over the globe? And I bet ya over 80% of natives here can't even pronounce nor spell that word correctly.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 96):

Not even London but 'Heathrow'.....all that considered I think it's a pretty fine airport.

Again back to the topic. Bring a "pretty fine airport" isn't quite enough to be considered the world's best?

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 103):
London is the capital city of England and the United Kingdom, the largest metropolitan area in the United Kingdom, and the largest urban zone in the European Union by most measures.

London has been a major settlement for two millennia, its history going back to its founding by the Romans.

London is a leading global city, with strengths in the arts, commerce, education, entertainment, fashion, finance, healthcare, media, professional services, research and development, tourism and transport all contributing to its prominence.

It is the world's leading financial centre alongside New York City and has the fifth-largest city GDP in the world (and the largest in Europe)

London has been described as a world cultural capital.

It has the third most international visitors in the world ...

...and London Heathrow is the world's busiest airport by number of international passengers.

London's 43 universities form the largest concentration of higher education in Europe.

In 2012 London will become the first city to host the modern Summer Olympic Games three times.

...and despite all that, they could not build a third runway at LHR for decades.

You guys make the human race a laughing stock to the rest of the universe.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 120):
however given that we don't have the land to build, build and build, growth is organic and piecemeal.

I would have through the British are far more creative and advanced than this? I mean seriously...you guys colonised both Singapore and Hong Kong and blessed us with many wonderful things, and both places with far worse space constrains are able to overcome these issues and still build airports which are (arguably) amongst the most well-liked in the world. Did the British dispatch their talents and ideas all over the world and forgot to keep some for themselves?



It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the PRC! :)
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 125):
You guys make the human race a laughing stock to the rest of the universe.

How very dare you !

  

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 125):
I would have through the British are far more creative and advanced than this? I mean seriously...you guys colonised both Singapore and Hong Kong and blessed us with many wonderful things, and both places with far worse space constrains are able to overcome these issues and still build airports which are (arguably) amongst the most well-liked in the world. Did the British dispatch their talents and ideas all over the world and forgot to keep some for themselves?

131 million people flew in and out of London's airports in 2011. (not including LCY)

I think we will just have to 'make do' for the time being.

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 125):
Again back to the topic. Bring a "pretty fine airport" isn't quite enough to be considered the world's best?

You need to take that up with whoever ran the survey my friend !!!

Again all I said was 'are rays of sunshine beginning to break through the clouds over LHR?'

Sounds reasonable to me.



Flying is like sex - I've never had all I wanted but occasionally I've had all I can stand.
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 124):

Come on Mr put your money where your mouth is and tell us what your top 10 candidate cities would be ?

I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about when you say "top 10 candidates" of the "capital of the world" - no such capital exists, and I don't think anybody is planning to have one any time soon?

If such a capital does exist, it is probably New York City, because that is the seat of the UN.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 126):

131 million people flew in and out of London's airports in 2011. (not including LCY)

I think we will just have to 'make do' for the time being.

I am at a complete loss - what does this statistic have to do with T5 being the "world's best terminal"????



Airports 2012: IXE HYD DEL BLR BOM CCU KNU KTM BKK SIN ICN LAX BUR SFO PHX IAH ORD EWR PHL PVD BOS FRA MUC IST
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 128, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 127):

Why are you getting your knickers in such a twist ?

The title would be about as adhesive as Miss World and would constantly be up for change no more so than in the times we are living.

If you read the entire sentence in which the statement was written you will also see that it was just an off the cuff remark to highlight the importance of the airport to the city.....

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 96):
With that in mind London (arguably the capital of the world) has been reliant on LHR for 70 approx years and it has served it well and contributed vastly to the massive success of the city.

As I was typing it did occur to me that it would generate this kind of reaction from a few 'uptight' souls and I guess I should have followed my instincts. Never mind.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 127):
I am at a complete loss - what does this statistic have to do with T5 being the "world's best terminal"????

Excuse me....nothing....but when you read......

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 125):
You guys make the human race a laughing stock to the rest of the universe.

I did feel obliged to point out that if the annual handling of 131+ million people in any one conurbations' airports makes us a laughing stock then so be it......

Don't you think it's a bit off when you can't post....

'are rays of sunshine beginning to break through the clouds over LHR'

........without your nation being ridiculed ?

Like I said, take up any grievance with the people that published the survey and stop shooting the messenger !!!

I was as suprised as you which is why I started the thread in the first place.

Arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhh

  

Jes*s Chr*st !!!!!

LOL

[Edited 2012-05-06 03:29:11]


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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 129, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 125):
You guys make the human race a laughing stock to the rest of the universe.

If we are to go down to that level......

In its desperation to collar some of the LHR action how many times do you think SQ has felt like a laughing stock for being conned by SRB into coughing up over half a billion quid for 49% of Virgin Atlantic ?

Mmmm ??

[Edited 2012-05-06 03:43:07]

[Edited 2012-05-06 04:00:54]


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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 130, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Last time I was there everyone piled out of the tube and took the escalators up to the ground floor of T5 trying to find their way to the checkin level. Zero signage telling you how as there were no escalators - you had to use a lift. A bloody lift! With that many people and so few lifts - congestion before you even get to checkin. Not to mention being bussed out to our aircraft in the freezing cold that was close to T3 than T5.

Yeah, "amazing" airport  


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 131, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 96):
With that in mind London (arguably the capital of the world)

Yeah, I'd argue that ended along with the British Empire. Try to keep things in perspective.


User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 132, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2695 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 126):
How very dare you !
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 128):
I did feel obliged to point out that if the annual handling of 131+ million people in any one conurbations' airports makes us a laughing stock then so be it......

Well I am simply stating logical reasoning based on your comments, am I not? But I sense you did not quite get my inferior reasoning, so here goes in more detail: If London (arguably the capital of the world) cannot build a third runway despite all the greats as you have bothered to list out, than what about the rest of the human race? Logically speaking, we should all be fairing much worse, and hence, the human race must be pretty backward?

Are we therefore not a laughing stock to extra-terrestrials?

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 129):
In its desperation to collar some of the LHR action how many times do you think SQ has felt like a laughing stock for being conned by SRB into coughing up over half a billion quid for Virgin Atlantic ?

You can laugh all you like, but the big difference is that Singapore does not claim to be the capital of the world, arguably or otherwise. Hence we are certainly no match for London with all its divine greatness, and have no right to buy a stake in anything related to it as we are merely "the Others". As such, we do make mortal errors, I am afraid, and hence we humbly apologise to the noble Londoners for causing them a tummyache from all that laughter.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 126):
131 million people flew in and out of London's airports in 2011. (not including LCY)

I think we will just have to 'make do' for the time being.

Did someone forget to tell the Americans, the Japanese and recently, the Chinese, to "make do" for the time being as well?

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 126):
You need to take that up with whoever ran the survey my friend !!!

But the survey respondents didn't say LHR T5 is just a "pretty fine airport". They said its the world's best. So you have to tell me why there is a disparity between your words and theirs.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 128):

As I was typing it did occur to me that it would generate this kind of reaction from a few 'uptight' souls and I guess I should have followed my instincts. Never mind.

I suppose you don't get as much opportunities to read lines like these:

"China has been reliant on the CCP for 60 approx years and it has served it well and contributed vastly to the massive success of the country."

Sounds eerily familiar?

Then again you are very well travelled and is very worldly? Whoops, sorry for questioning that. 

[Edited 2012-05-06 04:38:23]


It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the PRC! :)
User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2693 times:

Aerokiwi I just took the tube and used the escalators which given they are bang in plain sight don't need signposts. I have done the tunnel vision thing too but there are most certainly escalators and have been since the place opened.

User currently offlineeljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2660 times:

Well, thank you aeroblogger and mikey72 - this has been the most entertaining thread that I have read on here for a LONG time!

NQY is the best airport terminal in the world. Fact.

Now that has been settled: let's all calm down.

[Edited 2012-05-06 05:09:16]

[Edited 2012-05-06 05:19:22]

User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2610 times:

Quoting eljonno (Reply 134):
Well, thank you aeroblogger and mikey72 - this has been the most entertaining thread that I have read on here for a LONG time!

We aim to please !

Has been a bit of a laugh actually, looking back over the posts.

I'll put my handbag away now !!

  



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 132):


I'm all Heathrow'd out now huaiwei !!

If it's any consolation I think Singapore is a fabulous place.

When I see a half naked yob walking along the street here (the minute the temp goes above 10 C) with a fag hangin' out his gob and his underpants on display for everyone to behold I often wish we were more like you guys !!

We do try in the UK (promise) but with everything that's going on it isn't always easy !!

[Edited 2012-05-06 06:20:04]


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User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1091 posts, RR: 31
Reply 137, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

I know the post has matured, but let me add my name to the list of people that enjoy the T5 experience.

I find it absolutely brilliant, staggering architecture and light, always a calm and dignified atmosphere and security has always been seamless.

It would appear that people still have alot of hang-ups, and hopefully T5 is working to the prove them wrong.

I would argue that some of the local security staff could improve their attitude.



Breaking down the stereotypes - one by one
User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 138, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 137):
I would argue that some of the local security staff could improve their attitude.

I can't disagree with that, but travel through T3 and we can have a chat and a laugh and send you off with a smile.


User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 124):
Come on Mr put your money where your mouth is and tell us what your top 10 candidate cities would be ?

Ah, I like lists.

1 New York City
2 Tokyo
3 London
4 Shanghai
5 Paris
6 Hong Kong
7 Los Angeles
8 Singapore
9 Sao Paulo
10 Moscow
11 Some other city

Totally subjective, mind you  

Seriously though, you get negative reactions on your statements. One word is crucial in the previous sentence: reactions. They're reacting on your posts which do give the impression you like London and LHR. Nothing wrong with that, but not good for discussing things in peace. Also, you seem to overreact on random statement and fail to react on constructive posts with arguments.

A main argument of you is that LHR is big so you can expect queues etc. Now, ATL is bigger, by quite a margin actually, and it's by far not the worst airport of the US, as one would expect based on your reasoning. I know there are lots of reasons for this, like space, urban planning and what not, but that's precisely the point. There are too many limitations to LHR to like it, at least for me. London should have built a green field airport when it was still possible, like Paris did (there's another thread on the forums).


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 140, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 133):
Aerokiwi I just took the tube and used the escalators which given they are bang in plain sight don't need signposts.

There are escalators from the tube up to the arrivals level. Great. And from there? From memory (this was about 6 months ago now), if there were escalators they were for access to special lounges only.

In fact, looking at the terminal map of T5, it confirms that there is in fact only one escalator from the arrivals level (the level where the tube escalators stop) and it is for a special BA lounge. Happy to provien wrong, but aside from the congested lifts (a result of a recent tube arrival), how is one supposed to get up to the checkin area?

There must've been a hundred or so of us just sort of milling about hoping spomeone would know the way. So even if there is an efficient means of getting up to the departure hall from the tube, it's not particularly evident to Joe Public. For the supposedly "best airport (terminal?) in the world", I'd expect better.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 141, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2178 times:
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