Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19023 posts, RR: 53 Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7352 times:
From TheHUBroutes, a part of routesonline, WW will cease all routes from BHD, 7 from EMA, and 2 from BHX.
Surely not a coincidence that BE yesterday announced a new EMA base with two aircraft and five routes (AMS, CDG, EDI, GLA, JER) - all presently operated by WW. Or that MON has announced a new EMA base.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12167 posts, RR: 35 Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6642 times:
Unfortunately, it looks like it will be the end.
Sad to see; Baby has been around for 10 years; they were good to fly with, (mostly) good value (and a hell of a lot better value than Flybe) ... they'll certainly be missed, particularly down here in Jersey.
It'll be interesting to see who will expand first at EMA; I hadn't known that MON had opened a base there, but I can imaginee that even at this moment, FR and U2 are planning route announcements ... just hoping that EMA-JER is on U2's radar!
Quoting kaitak (Reply 5): just hoping that EMA-JER is on U2's radar!
I'd like to see that, too, especially given some impressively low fares with EZY to JER. E.g. I've paid £12.99 or thereabouts one-way incl. taxes for LPL-JER and I saw last week JER-SEN for £8.99 one-way incl taxes. Alas, I don't think they'll operate EMA-JER. (I remember when EZY flew LTN-JER. I paid around £10 one-way incl. taxes then.)
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
jrn216 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6472 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 5): just hoping that EMA-JER is on U2's radar!
EasyJet is on record as saying it is considering more routes from Jersey and if the airline was to return to East Midlands I am sure it would be a route that the local authorities would actively try and pursue.
That's not to say that Flybe isn't welcome on the route, but East Midlands to Jersey is a long served and well established route. In order to maintain and encourage demand, particularly for tourism, then an airline like easyJet or Jet2 is much better suited. I have similar feelings about Manchester to Jersey, which is now flown by BE and SI.
btblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 567 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6209 times:
Very pleased Monarch are moving in on EMA. Excellent airline and I am sure they'll do the routes justice. FlyBe on the other hand I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Over priced and one would think, utilising props, that the lower costs would be reflected in the fares but not so... from what I have experienced.
It's sad Baby couldn't make it work. I had the chance to fly them in their first year of operation and then a few years later, several times. A great airline but there was something fundamentally wrong with it. Be its inability to compete with Ryanair or Easyjet or just maintain its head above water... I'm sad, and also angry that whoever is to blame for the lack luster performance, has stood by and watched the airline hemorrhage millions.
A sad end but hopefully one that will result in more routes and more variety in terms of aircraft type for routes in and out of EMA.
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1573 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5242 times:
A sad day for all at WW and EMA, ''SCREW BA / IAG and LH !! never gave baby the chance to stand older then a baby!! Ryanair and flybe will now expand like mad to fill the gaps. tho regional is still up in the air - it was fun working with you! all the best to all the great staff!
I just won't travel and spend my birthday in the UK for once. Considering I only paid something silly like £40 r/t its not a huge loss, and I inexplicably hesitated on booking accommodation for my trip, so I've not lost anything else. I'll probably go else where later in the summer, might try LH's new BHX-BER route
This should all make for some interesting conversation in the FR crew room at BHX this morning.
viscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 230 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4964 times:
Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 22): I just won't travel and spend my birthday in the UK for once. Considering I only paid something silly like £40 r/t its not a huge loss, and I inexplicably hesitated on booking accommodation for my trip, so I've not lost anything else.
THEY'VE cancelled the flight - surely you'd get a full refund and you shouldn't lose anything???
emalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 443 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3960 times:
In my opinion WW was still the best LCC to travel on. All the best to the crew and staff at EMA. You will be missed, especially by my 6 year old daughter who get excited whenever she sees 'baby' before the weather, or if we nip down to EMA to do some spotting.
eire123 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3815 times:
Quoting emalad (Reply 19): Will it become an exclusive airport for Flybe?
I really hope not, I hope Ryanair come back into BHD to fill the gap. With BMI Baby closing all operations at BHD will certainly have a huge impact on jobs and passenger options.
A Flybe monopoly at BHD will not be good!!!!
MCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 531 posts, RR: 0 Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2292 times:
Quoting viscount630 (Reply 23): THEY'VE cancelled the flight - surely you'd get a full refund and you shouldn't lose anything???
What I meant by that, is I haven't lost out on hotel costs. I've already had the email through saying they've cancelled my reservation. I'm well aware I'll be receiving a full refund. KL on the same dates are £178.05. I certainly won't be rebooking with them (as much as I love KL, it was only supposed to be an uber-cheap couple of days away).
I hope all those impacted by the shutdown of WW are able to find new positions with other companies relatively quickly.
It's a shame that WW is shutting down, I reckon that it could have been a nice addition to LS seeing as (apart from BHX) they have bases in the same cities and have the same aircraft (apart from the 735s). I've never flown with them as such but a bit of competition on short-haul routes is no bad thing, and I hope that all the staff can find suitable new employment elsewhere in the industry.
Boeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 0 Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1823 times:
Quoting Reply 17): Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 9):
BA's horrible finger-prints to it.
I'm sure you mean LH's horrible finger prints?
They are the one's who failed to invest and who dragged staff through the ever increasing changes in bases etc.
BA have made it clear that it is sell up or shut -up. Hardly their fault since they have managed baby for all of - oh - 14 days.
LH had 10 years?
Bit of proportion here, please.
Agreed. At the end of the day, LH had been trying to seek a buyer for WW for several months before the deal was completed, and it was even made clear when the deal was first announced that IAG had no plans for WW (or bmi Regional)...
"bmi regional and bmibaby are not part of our plans and Lufthansa has the option to sell them before completion". Willie Walsh
And as we know no buyer could be found. As I said in my last post it's a shame that WW will soon be no more, but IAG are merely acting on what they said and agree that LH could have done something with WW when they owned all of bmi to make it profitable and competitive, but they didn't.
I'll leave it to others to decide whether the morality of this is correct, but that's business and it's good to see that in the short-term most passengers aren't being left high and dry with other airlines stepping in to fill the breach.