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USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?  
User currently offlineabrown532 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 152 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17137 times:

USAirways A330 is currently circling over Southampton after departure from LHR, any more info?

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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17109 times:

Looks like it's going into BOH. There's no way it can land at SOU is there?


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User currently offlineabrown532 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17071 times:

It has been circling for over an hour. flightstats has it from LHR-PHL and delayed by 149 minutes. Something is obviously wrong with this flight.

User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16958 times:
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Still circling... It's out of LHR and circling quite low at 6,500ft over Southampton.

http://www.flightradar24.com/AWE729



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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16955 times:

It's squawking 7640, isn't that radio problems?


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User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16870 times:
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Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 4):
It's squawking 7640, isn't that radio problems?

Yes, that appears to be the case given the code being squawked.

There is a GAMA Aviation Citation Jet also circling close by to AWE789

http://www.flightradar24.com/GMA873



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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16790 times:

It's ascending now and leaving the area over SOU. Heading back to LHR or maybe LGW?


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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16756 times:

Looks like its finished circling over Southampton and heading back to LHR...

User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16648 times:
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Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 4):
It's squawking 7640, isn't that radio problems?

I always thought just 7600 was radio problems, looking back at an old book of mine says 7601-7676 are assignable by ATC. Perhaps it's different in the UK/outdated materials


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16650 times:
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Quoting btblue (Reply 3):
Still circling... It's out of LHR and circling quite low at 6,500ft over Southampton.

http://www.flightradar24.com/AWE729

If I'm reading the site correctly, US-729 is now at 8000 feet -- flying toward LHR at 220 knots.

[Edited 2012-05-04 06:37:45]

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16379 times:

Now on final approach to 09L behind BA38, a 744 from PEK.


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16064 times:
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The Flightaware tracking graph now shows US-729 at altitude and speed 000. -- but still holds the aircraft as 'enroute.'


USAirway.com now reports US-729 as "delayed" with a new departure time of 15:30 GDT and new arrival at 18:29 EDT.

[Edited 2012-05-04 07:26:31]

User currently onlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15817 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
USAirway.com now reports US-729 as "delayed" with a new departure time of 15:30 GDT and new arrival at 18:29 EDT.

Why do I show US 729 as a flight from LHR-PHL-BOS?



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15721 times:
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Quoting richierich (Reply 12):
Why do I show US 729 as a flight from LHR-PHL-BOS?

According to USAirways.com, it would appear there is a continuation of US-729 after a change of aircraft (to an E190) at PHL .


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15442 times:

7600 is coms failure, and if it´s circling at low altitude and low speed probably is dumping fuel to return to LHR, usually they do at low altitude and low speed with gear down to burn more fuel.

Not all the A330 has the dumping system, it´s an option i think.

I guess that area you´re talking is the designated by the UK CAA for dumping fuel in case of problems.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 13):
According to USAirways.com, it would appear there is a continuation of US-729 after a change of aircraft (to an E190) at PHL .

Many airlines do that. for example IB many transatlantic flights have a continuation in an A320 to BCN.


User currently onlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15062 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 13):
According to USAirways.com, it would appear there is a continuation of US-729 after a change of aircraft (to an E190) at PHL .

I'm sorry - I was thinking this was the eastbound flight from PHL. That's the way it was stuck in my head. I guess I was brain dead there!

Does anybody know any further details about the flight that returned to LHR?



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14417 times:

Maybe it was circling Southampton to drop eggs on Ed Miliband     

Quoting migair54 (Reply 14):
Not all the A330 has the dumping system, it´s an option i think.

This is correct, its an optional extra. It can be clearly identified by the presence (or absence) of a nozzle at the end of the wing. This came up in the recent emergency landing of the VS A330.


User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10657 times:
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http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9689...pton_after_undercarriage_problems/

Quote:
The National Air Traffic Service told the Daily Echo this was because the plane's wheels were “locked down” and it was decided to circle before gaining permission to fly back to Heathrow.


User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10394 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 16):
This is correct, its an optional extra. It can be clearly identified by the presence (or absence) of a nozzle at the end of the wing. This came up in the recent emergency landing of the VS A330.

I checked the photo DB and did not see anything on US A330s that indicates they have the fuel dump option. But, I've never looked for this before on the 330 and do not know precisely what I am looking for. Can anyone else definitively say, from the photos DB, if US has the dump option.



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User currently offlineLHRSpotter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10079 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
Now on final approach to 09L behind BA38, a 744 from PEK.

Until I read this post I hadn't actually realized that BA still use this flight number after the 2008 crash at LHR. Any reason they didn't retire it?


User currently offlineawthompson From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9481 times:

Quoting LHRSpotter (Reply 19):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
Now on final approach to 09L behind BA38, a 744 from PEK.

Until I read this post I hadn't actually realized that BA still use this flight number after the 2008 crash at LHR. Any reason they didn't retire it?

Quite simple: British Airways, and British people for that matter, are not really superstitious and wouldn't be put off by the number 038, if they even remembered it! Also there were no fatalities so the average traveller hardly even remembers the accident never mind the flight number.


User currently offlineneothearmal From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 19 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

Quoting flylku (Reply 18):
I checked the photo DB and did not see anything on US A330s that indicates they have the fuel dump option. But, I've never looked for this before on the 330 and do not know precisely what I am looking for. Can anyone else definitively say, from the photos DB, if US has the dump option.

From my own pic I don't think they do, doesn't an aircraft with the option have an extra nozzle on the second outer canoe?

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj115/neothearmal/N273AY.jpg


User currently offlineMike909 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

Quoting awthompson (Reply 20):
Quite simple: British Airways, and British people for that matter, are not really superstitious and wouldn't be put off by the number 038, if they even remembered it! Also there were no fatalities so the average traveller hardly even remembers the accident never mind the flight number.

Well that's not true - I was on BA38 and was certainly superstitious, although operated by 744, not 772 that was used in crash.
However you are right in saying that the average traveller hardly even remembers the flight number - felt I was the only passenger aboard who knew the significance of BA38.


User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8551 times:

Quoting flylku (Reply 18):
Can anyone else definitively say, from the photos DB, if US has the dump option.

Indeed, this is what you see on an A330 wing with the nozzle to dump fuel


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This is a wing on a US airways A330, you can clearly see the predisposition, but the absence of the nozzle


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3371 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

Why wouldn't this be a standard item for all aircraft? It's like a car company not offering airbags in this day and age. A simple safety item that can aid in the safe arrival of an aircraft just after taking off, full of fuel. What if for whatever reason they didn't have the time to burn off the fuel, and needed an immediate return and landing, isn't there a point where an airplane can be too heavy with fuel to land safely?


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User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8667 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 24):
What if for whatever reason they didn't have the time to burn off the fuel, and needed an immediate return and landing, isn't there a point where an airplane can be too heavy with fuel to land safely?

As far as I know aircraft need to meet the requirement for a safe landing even in a case of overweight landing, as has happened not too long ago to a VS A330 that landed shortly after taking off to Orlando following an inflight fire alarm that required an immediate landing. The same is true for an aircraft which is capable to dump fuel but is in the need to get to the ground as soon as possible. I believe in the VS A330 situation they wouldn't even have used it if available.

I was convinced myself that the fuel-dump nozzle was a requirement for all widebody aircraft, and discovered after the VS occurrence that 767s and A330s offer it as an option.

Fuel Dump Facilities On Commercial A/C-Required? (by RTWflyer Oct 22 2010 in Tech Ops) Here is some useful information on fuel-dump requirements.

Ciao
Joe


User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

All aircraft must be certified to land at maximum takeoff weight. If a landing is made above the max landing weight, then a significant maintenance procedure must be accomplished prior to the next flight. Back when fuel was cheaper, the dump system was a no-brainer, but with the expense of fuel nowadays, it's probably cheaper to do the maintenance inspection.


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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7787 times:

US has no fuel dump capability on any of their wide body AC .

User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6023 times:

Quoting awthompson (Reply 20):
Quite simple: British Airways, and British people for that matter, are not really superstitious and wouldn't be put off by the number 038, if they even remembered it! Also there were no fatalities so the average traveller hardly even remembers the accident never mind the flight number.

one thing that annoys me is how the media like to report things but don't like to do a catch-up on how people are doing a month later


User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Now on AvHerald:

http://avherald.com/h?article=44f1230f&opt=4097


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