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Why No Sky Interior On LH 747-8i?  
User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16699 times:

I'm just wondering why LH didn't take this option. Is it due to cost? Does anyone know how much extra the LED lighting costs? IMO it makes the cabin look much nicer and seems to be beneficial in terms of adjusting to new time zones on long-haul flights, which these a/c will be used on.

See cabin pics here http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10012159.html?tag=mncol;morePosts

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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16693 times:

Did Boeing even develop the Sky Imterior for the 748i?? This looks pretty much identical to the interior of the 747ER, so maybe it was costs at Boeing's end?

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19385 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16655 times:

Quoting vaus77w (Thread starter):

I'm just wondering why LH didn't take this option. Is it due to cost? Does anyone know how much extra the LED lighting costs? IMO it makes the cabin look much nicer and seems to be beneficial in terms of adjusting to new time zones on long-haul flights, which these a/c will be used on.

AFAIK, they do have LED lighting.



The F-class section.

Just because it happens to be putting out a comfortable soft white glow doesn't mean it's not LED. Of all the different sorts of lights I own, LED's give the best, warmest, homiest white.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19385 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16617 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):

Did Boeing even develop the Sky Imterior for the 748i?? This looks pretty much identical to the interior of the 747ER, so maybe it was costs at Boeing's end?

Yes. The overhead and sidewalls are 787 style. Sadly, the windows are not.


User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16191 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):
Did Boeing even develop the Sky Imterior for the 748i?? This looks pretty much identical to the interior of the 747ER, so maybe it was costs at Boeing's end?

Yes, its very similar to the one in the 787, except for the windows (has conventinal shades). See http://www.airlinetrends.com/2011/02...oeing-dreamliner-interior-737-747/ for some pics

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
The F-class section.

Just because it happens to be putting out a comfortable soft white glow doesn't mean it's not LED. Of all the different sorts of lights I own, LED's give the best, warmest, homiest white.

Did you see the pics in the link in the original post? Unless they had the LED's set on yellow, they look suspiciously like fluro tubes.

Can anyone shed any light on this? No pun intended.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15972 times:

Boeing also seemed to neglect the cockpit as well.


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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2084 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15832 times:

Development of the 747-8 Interior design.

Initial (2005) design changes to the interior (from the 744) centered around the door 2 entryway, the lighting and the windows.

- The door 2 entry was re-architected with a new staircase and surround structure. The motive behind this change was a desire to communicate to the passenger as soon as they board the airplane that it is a new 747 and not a 744.

- The windows were changed to the 777 elliptical type . These windows give the cabin a more open feel, costs less to produce and weigh less. 787 windows were considered, but with an aluminium fuselage their size imposed too much of a weight penalty.

- The cabin lighting system was revised to be an LED hybrid (part LED, part florescent), taking some of the 787 system advantages, without revising all the interior lighting.

All these above mentioned decisions were made by mid 2005.

During this time, the 787 was continuing its rapid growth in popularity amongst the airlines and the flying public. It became obvious that the 747-8 interior needed to be more in line with the latest interior from Boeing.

Consequently, the decision was made in the following years to go with a new, more 787 like , sky-interior. This included going to new stowage bins, ceilings and a full LED lighting system. All changes were in line with the 787 interior, the only difference are the retained 747 style sidewalls (because of the installed "old" style windows.)

[Edited 2012-05-05 02:13:39]


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User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15822 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):
This looks pretty much identical to the interior of the 747ER, so maybe it was costs at Boeing's end?

The 744ER's interior is 777 style. The 748's is clearly different, just look at the handles to the overhead bins.

To answer the OP's question, the 748 DOES have the sky interior. There just aren't pics of mood lighting (which I don't know if LH ordered) and the sidewalls are the same as the 777 (cause they put in 777 windows) so it looks like the old 777 Signature interior, which the Sky interior itself isn't that different from.

[Edited 2012-05-05 02:17:42]


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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15585 times:

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 4):

Thanks. I suppose the 748i doesn't really have the Sky Interior in the way the 737 and 787 do, rather a hybrid between the Signature and Sky Interiors...

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 7):

I realise that the handles a different... The shape of the bins is virtually identical though, as are the sidewalls and the overhead panels. The only changes, aside from the handles, are in the entry areas/stairs and perhaps the galleys (no idea, haven't seen any pictures...) I think it's reasonable to say it's 'pretty much identical' when the only updates are the handles and some behind-the-scenes lighting changes. Even then though, QF already has LED mood lighting in the ER (in F/J anyway...)


User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15490 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 6):
Development of the 747-8 Interior design.

Initial (2005) design changes to the interior (from the 744) centered around the door 2 entryway, the lighting and the windows.

- The door 2 entry was re-architected with a new staircase and surround structure. The motive behind this change was a desire to communicate to the passenger as soon as they board the airplane that it is a new 747 and not a 744.

- The windows were changed to the 777 elliptical type . These windows give the cabin a more open feel, costs less to produce and weigh less. 787 windows were considered, but with an aluminium fuselage their size imposed too much of a weight penalty.

- The cabin lighting system was revised to be an LED hybrid (part LED, part florescent), taking some of the 787 system advantages, without revising all the interior lighting.

All these above mentioned decisions were made by mid 2005.

During this time, the 787 was continuing its rapid growth in popularity amongst the airlines and the flying public. It became obvious that the 747-8 interior needed to be more in line with the latest interior from Boeing.

Consequently, the decision was made in the following years to go with a new, more 787 like , sky-interior. This included going to new stowage bins, ceilings and a full LED lighting system. All changes were in line with the 787 interior, the only difference are the retained 747 style sidewalls (because of the installed "old" style windows.)

Thanks for the detailed info.

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 7):
To answer the OP's question, the 748 DOES have the sky interior. There just aren't pics of mood lighting (which I don't know if LH ordered) and the sidewalls are the same as the 777 (cause they put in 777 windows) so it looks like the old 777 Signature interior, which the Sky interior itself isn't that different from.

Thanks for clarifying that. I always associated the Sky Interior just with the mood lighting (I guess as the colours draw your attention) so didn't realise it covered sidewalls, bins, 777-style windows etc.

Looks like LH didn't order mood lighting, perhaps to keep in line with the A380 product which also doesn't have it and to save costs?


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2596 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 15202 times:
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Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
The shape of the bins is virtually identical though, as are the sidewalls and the overhead panels.

While the sidewalls are indeed unchanged, the shape of the bins of the 747-8 is only as identical to the 744ER as the 787's bins are identical to the 777. In short, the similarity is that they're both fold-up style bins. Look closely:


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They look a lot like the 787's bins and OSU to me:


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In comparison, the 747-400ER's bins are significantly different. Look at the curvature of the centre bin lids, and where the bins meets the ceiling:


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... which is quite clearly based on the 777's design:


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Sorry, I don't agree that they're "virtually identical" at all.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14955 times:

Quoting vaus77w (Thread starter):
I'm just wondering why LH didn't take this option.

It's not an option. The 747-8i basically comes with a 787-esque interior as standard (not all choices are the same, as detailed above).

Quoting vaus77w (Thread starter):
Does anyone know how much extra the LED lighting costs?

It doesn't. It's standard.

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 9):
Looks like LH didn't order mood lighting, perhaps to keep in line with the A380 product which also doesn't have it and to save costs?

You can't not order it, it's characteristic of the LED lighting controls. All you can do is choose not to use it.

Tom.


User currently offlinegothamspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

The Sky Interior is a 737-specific product, as on option on 737NGs and standard on the 737 MAX. It is not available on any other Boeing model. The 747-8I cabin has many of the same features, most of which were inspired by the 787, but it is not called the Sky Interior.

User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 11):
Quoting vaus77w (Thread starter):Does anyone know how much extra the LED lighting costs?
It doesn't. It's standard.

Now, I'm not a techincal person by nature*, but from what I know LED lighting is more energy efficient, lighter, less prone to burn out and ultimately cooler than other forms of ighting when in operation.

Seems like the logical choice for the inside of an aircraft, frankly.

(*techincal persons out there, please correct if I am wrong....)


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

Quoting gothamspotter (Reply 12):
The Sky Interior is a 737-specific product, as on option on 737NGs and standard on the 737 MAX. It is not available on any other Boeing model. The 747-8I cabin has many of the same features, most of which were inspired by the 787, but it is not called the Sky Interior.

Actually, I think Boeing has retroactively applied the Sky Interior name to the 787 and 747-8i. Expect the 777-8X/9X to have it too.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6755 times:

Quoting gothamspotter (Reply 12):
The Sky Interior is a 737-specific product, as on option on 737NGs and standard on the 737 MAX. It is not available on any other Boeing model.

Since the Sky interior is really just a slight derivative of the Signature Interior that's been flying around in 777's for years, I would say that is false.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

Quoting vaus77w (Thread starter):



I took a look at the pictures from that link. For whatever reason they create a dingy look for the cabin. I did notice the windows had the elliptical Boeing 777 look. Regarding the shades even the 737-800 that we are getting WN/FL have traditional shades however the "window reveal" is ovoid shaped. The outer window frame on the 737-800 is still the traditional squarish version that Boeing used up through the 767.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19385 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 4):
Did you see the pics in the link in the original post? Unless they had the LED's set on yellow, they look suspiciously like fluro tubes.

They are set on yellow. LED's make a very homey yellowish glow.

CXB77L shows the LED's in a much higher color temperature setting in his cabin pics.

The LED's themselves are tiny (a couple of mm across) and lined up one next to the other RGBRGBRGBRGBRGB all the way down the strip. All you have to do is vary the RGB intensities and you can get any color you want.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5328 times:

Another way to tell if the cabin is Sky Interior is to look at the "gaspers" (overhead personal air vents). The new Sky Interior vents look like a flower pedal as opposed to the conventional design.


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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 10):

   From the photos that I had a very quick look at, the shape looked very similar. Looking at the comparison you have posted, however, it's clear that they are acutally quite different...


User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4444 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 10):
While the sidewalls are indeed unchanged, the shape of the bins of the 747-8 is only as identical to the 744ER as the 787's bins are identical to the 777. In short, the similarity is that they're both fold-up style bins. Look closely:


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Photo © Konstantin von Wedelstaedt

That pic has the lights much brighter and looks more like LED's. Thanks.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 11):
It's not an option. The 747-8i basically comes with a 787-esque interior as standard (not all choices are the same, as detailed above).

Quoting vaus77w (Thread starter):
Does anyone know how much extra the LED lighting costs?

It doesn't. It's standard.

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 9):
Looks like LH didn't order mood lighting, perhaps to keep in line with the A380 product which also doesn't have it and to save costs?

You can't not order it, it's characteristic of the LED lighting controls. All you can do is choose not to use it.

Tom.

Thanks Tom and everyone else for your input. That's cleared that up.


User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2717 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4388 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14):
Expect the 777-8X/9X to have it too.

Not only the 777-8X/9X, but the new AA 777-300ER will have elements of the Sky interior  http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...merican-unveils-777-300er-wit.html



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User currently offlineanonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 15):
Since the Sky interior is really just a slight derivative of the Signature Interior that's been flying around in 777's for years, I would say that is false.

I don't know about "slight derivative", it's more like a "next evolution".



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 13):
I know LED lighting is more energy efficient,

A few years back, I was looking into LED efficiency compared to Florescent tubes and the tube was still more efficient in terms of light output per energy used. Things would have changed by then.

LED were always lighter than the tubes, and has high reliability, so they are natural for aircraft use (and now in cars, and refrigerators)

The problem with LED is as you you push up the wattage, they start to put our a lot more heat which needs to be dissipated or else the life of the diode will decrease.

(You will notice the heat sinks on the LED bulbs that you can buy at the hardware store. )

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