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DOT DCA Slot Award Decision  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24700 posts, RR: 46
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24922 times:

I understand the DOT as soon as this week will likely announce its decision regarding award of 4 new beyond perimeter slot pairs from DCA.

Since the previous threads are locked, I am starting a new one in anticipation of the award announcements.

In summary the air carrier slot request were as follows:
o Air Canada – 1x DCA-YVR A319
o Alaska Airlines – 1x DCA-PDX B738; 1x DCA-SAN B738
o Frontier Airlines – 1x DCA-COS A319 with continuing same plane service to SAN
o JetBlue – 1x DCA-SJU A320; 1x DCA-AUS E190
o Southwest – 1x DCA-AUS B738 with continuing same plane service to SAN
o Sun Country – 1x DCA-LAS B737
o Virgin America – 2x DCA-SFO A319

The DOT stated criteria for tje award is as follows.
A - Provide air transportation with domestic network benefits beyond the 1,250 mile perimeter
B - Increase competition in one or more markets
C - Not reduce travel options for communities served by small hub airports and medium hub airports within the 1,250 mile perimeter
D - Not result in meaningfully increased travel delays
E - Enhance options for nonstop travel to and from the beyond perimeter airports that will be served
F - Have a positive impact on the overall level of competition in the markets that will be served
G - Produce public benefits, including lower fares, higher capacity, and a variety of service options.


Related and to refresh everyone, 4 beyond perimeter slots were also awarded to incumbent carriers at DCA automatically. The carriers were free to select the markets which they desired to utilize the slots in. Below was their elections:
o American – 1x DCA-LAX B757 – effective Jun 14th
o Delta – 1x DCA-SLC B738/B757 – effective Jun 7th
o United – 1x DCA-SFO B737 – effective May 14th
o US Airways – 1x DCA-SAN A319/A320 – effective June 8th


I'm not sure for example how US Air selection of San Diego will hamper some of the the new entrants request which also asked to link the city in the DOTs eyes. Same with UA/VX in SFO.

Lets see now what the DOT comes up with.   

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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24910 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

o Air Canada – 1x DCA-YVR A319
o Alaska Airlines – 1x DCA-PDX B738; 1x DCA-SAN B738
o Frontier Airlines – 1x DCA-COS A319 with continuing same plane service to SAN
o JetBlue – 1x DCA-SJU A320; 1x DCA-AUS E190
o Southwest – 1x DCA-AUS B738 with continuing same plane service to SAN
o Sun Country – 1x DCA-LAS B737
o Virgin America – 2x DCA-SFO A319

Purely my guesses :

AC - definitely no. too protectionist.
Alaska - PDX
Frontier - none, and COS is not a crucial destination
B6 - SJU
WN - AUS+SAN
Sun Country - probably not
VX - SFO


User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24765 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Sun Country – 1x DCA-LAS B737
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
Sun Country - probably not

While I agree, I remember reading something a while back that SY was hoping to get this, as it might allow them to play with the timings of the MSP-LAN-DCA service. It seemed as though what they were hoping was that the extra slot would allow them to push back the departure time out of DCA to later in the afternoon to allow a better work day while in DC.

I can't seem to find it online any longer, but it was in an interview with the CEO.



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User currently offlinederridd From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24718 times:

What about the Air 21 slots WN (OKC), F9 (SDF), and US filed for? Will those decisions come out as well?

User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2760 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24718 times:

Will we also see the US-JAN (F9-SDF/WN-OKC) slot award decision this week too?


No info
User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24477 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
1x DCA-SAN B738
Yeaaaaahh !!!!!

Finally !

US Airways – 1x DCA-SAN A319/A320 – effective June 8th

Another Yeaaaah !!!!!

[Edited 2012-05-07 10:41:35]

[Edited 2012-05-07 10:44:55]

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1285 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24162 times:

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 4):
Will we also see the US-JAN (F9-SDF/WN-OKC) slot award decision this week too?

That decision should be coming soon as well. In my opinion, the slot should stay with US for DCA-JAN


User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23856 times:

I tried to stage a big rally this weekend, I called it "Occupy Gravelly Point," demanding quick action on these decisions. I made signs that said "Slots Now!" and "Give Us Our Slots!" and my favorites, "I love you a slot!" and "Slots Amore!" Several people joined me and I was just thrilled until I figured out that they weren't A.netters but rather gambling addicts who wanted to tear down Mt. Vernon and build a casino there. We compromised and joined forces to demand slot machines on Sun Country's DCA-LAS outside-the-perimeter flights. Viva revo-slot-cion!!!!!!


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13464 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23839 times:
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I can see VX definitely getting 1X DCASFO service, but not 2X. Just my $0.02...


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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 23464 times:

I think air Canada is the toughest sell but I really could see any of the other routes getting awarded and I wouldn't be too shocked. A case can be made for all cities so The criteria they use will probably decide it. I am gonna go out on a ledge here and predict that AS does not get two additional exemptions though when so many new airlines applied given what they already have

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 23436 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
award of 4 new beyond perimeter slot pairs from DCA.

My guess;

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Air Canada – 1x DCA-YVR A319

Approve

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Alaska Airlines – 1x DCA-PDX B738

Approve

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
etBlue – 1x DCA-SJU A320;

Approve

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Southwest – 1x DCA-AUS B738

Approve



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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22997 times:

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 7):
I tried to stage a big rally this weekend

Thanks for making me chuckle.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
D - Not result in meaningfully increased travel delays

How can this criterion be used to separate the different options? I don't understand.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
C - Not reduce travel options for communities served by small hub airports and medium hub airports within the 1,250 mile perimeter

Again, how can this criterion be used to separate the options? Whether it's B6 to SJU, or AC to YVR, isn't the impact on small/medium hubs within the perimeter the same?

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
E - Enhance options for nonstop travel to and from the beyond perimeter airports that will be served

That would seem to go against SY to LAS or B6 to AUS.


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22975 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
In summary the air carrier slot request were as follows:
o Air Canada – 1x DCA-YVR A319
o Alaska Airlines – 1x DCA-PDX B738; 1x DCA-SAN B738
o Frontier Airlines – 1x DCA-COS A319 with continuing same plane service to SAN
o JetBlue – 1x DCA-SJU A320; 1x DCA-AUS E190
o Southwest – 1x DCA-AUS B738 with continuing same plane service to SAN
o Sun Country – 1x DCA-LAS B737
o Virgin America – 2x DCA-SFO A319

My guesses:
Air Canada: probably not; lack of competition would mean high fares
Alaska: DCA-SAN; not enough competition for PDX-DCA, so fares would be high
Frontier: no: COS is not a big enough airport to justify this service
JetBlue: DCA-AUS, maybe DCA-SJU
Southwest: DCA-AUS-SAN
Sun Country: DCA-LAS
Virgin America: DCA-SFO


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22955 times:
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Quoting jporterfi (Reply 12):
Frontier: no: COS is not a big enough airport to justify this service

Probably true. OO does IAD-COS with a CR7 .


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22597 times:
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Quoting jporterfi (Reply 12):
Alaska: DCA-SAN; not enough competition for PDX-DCA, so fares would be high

There is no competition on some of the perimeter DCA routes so that doesn't exclude the route from being awarded. Two airlines serving PDX-DCA would be overkill. SEA-DCA is still only AS and up until they let AA add DCA-LAX, AS was the only one there too. US is the only airline out of PHX and DL out of SLC for example, so why would PDX need 2 carriers for it to be approved? I would be absolutely shocked if PDX-DCA on AS doesn't get approved. I don't think anyone on this forum has felt that AS won't get it.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4270 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22561 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 12):
Air Canada: probably not; lack of competition would mean high fares
Alaska: DCA-SAN; not enough competition for PDX-DCA, so fares would be high
Frontier: no: COS is not a big enough airport to justify this service
JetBlue: DCA-AUS, maybe DCA-SJU
Southwest: DCA-AUS-SAN
Sun Country: DCA-LAS
Virgin America: DCA-SFO

Alaska asked for DCA-PDX for the first service and only if that service is approved for DCA-SAN. jetBlue did the same: DCA-SJU and only if that service is granted then DCA-AUS. PDX is now the largest unserved market from DCA, if I remember right. I expect it to be approved. Same with B6 DCA-SJU and WN DCA-AUS-SAN. DOT tends to spread out awards when it can, so as much as I'd like AS to get the DCA-SAN-HNL route, I think VX will receive a DCA-SFO authority instead.

Texan



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21868 times:
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Quoting texan (Reply 15):
PDX is now the largest unserved market from DCA, if I remember right.

Not to quibble, but by metro area -- according to Wikipedia -- it's (1) SFO (2) SAN and (3) PDX -- which doesn't diminish the commercial importance of service to any of those cities.


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21755 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 16):

Not to quibble, but by metro area -- according to Wikipedia -- it's (1) SFO (2) SAN and (3) PDX -- which doesn't diminish the commercial importance of service to any of those cities.

Ah but to quibble...if you notice he excluded SFO and SAN because they now have service to DCA.

SFO by UA, and SAN by US Airways.

So if PDX is next in line he would be correct to say that PDX is in fact the largest unserved market from DCA.

Alex



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21614 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 14):
I would be absolutely shocked if PDX-DCA on AS doesn't get approved. I don't think anyone on this forum has felt that AS won't get it.

I have gone as far to say, this route out of all the slots requested will be assured for AS, I'd be way more than surprised if AS does not get this award.  



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User currently offlineRookinla From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 307 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20715 times:

AS has loaded DCA-SAN-HNL in the GDS. I booked it for a family of six today.

User currently offline9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20679 times:

Mods, I think the title of this thread should be changed. It leads people to believe a dicision has been made rather than being labled as potention decisions.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24700 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20633 times:

You might want to double check. What I can see is DCA-SEA-HNL.

Would be illegal for them to market a flight which they do not hold authority for. Go ask AirTran which accidentally published and sold some MDW-CUN tickets prior to gaining the authority from the DOT.

Quoting 9lflyguy (Reply 20):
Mods, I think the title of this thread should be changed. It leads people to believe a dicision has been made rather than being labled as potention decisions.

The decision is due out any day..... that is what this discussion topic is about as explained in opening thread.



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4270 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20589 times:

Quoting Rookinla (Reply 19):
AS has loaded DCA-SAN-HNL in the GDS. I booked it for a family of six today.

If that holds up, then congrats to AS on receiving two new DCA routes!

Texan



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User currently offlineRookinla From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 307 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20569 times:

I just went to Alaska's website. The flight is not listed. But I can assure you that what was ticketed today was Alaska DCA-SAN-HNL round trip direct...one flight number and no plane changes. Whether AS will be in trouble for this is another matter entirely.

User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 915 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20414 times:

Just found it as well.....Flight 897 DCA-SAN-HNL starts service on August 13th. Seems that AS knows something the rest of us don't? Did a search for DCA-PDX....nothing. Could it be that AS was awarded SAN and NOT awarded PDX?

25 klwright69 : COS is not far from DEN but also its own distinct market. I am not sure how much traffic there is to the DC area, but COS is a military heavy city. I
26 hatbutton : Huh? I don't see it. I went and searched those same days and all I see are one stops through SEA. Can someone take a screen shot?
27 EA CO AS : Please let me know ASAP so I can let the AS.com guys know (assuming this was an error).
28 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Oh ! Right you are. Sorry about that.
29 SANFan : Not quite. You are correct about B6's bid (first SJU, and only if that is approved, then they would like AUS.) You are incorrect about AS's applicati
30 ASAFA : Flight 897 DCA-HNL DCA 4:10 PM SAN 6:55 PM SAN 8:25 PM HNL 11:30 PM Flight 896 HNL-DCA HNL 9:35 PM SAN 6:10 AM (next day) SAN 7:10 AM DCA 3:10 PM
31 SANFan : Just to clarify: this info is from where? Is this from the application or from AS's DRS? Because these ARE the times from the application but there w
32 EA CO AS : And I'm not finding this on AS.com...
33 rgreenftm : Sent you a message that will explain how I was able to find it.
34 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : At least we have some drama pre announcement adds some excitement If you were allowed to book I'm guessing it's just a mistake they can't sell seats t
35 ScottB : It's bookable on Travelocity, so it's in SABRE.
36 EA CO AS : AS.com doesn't pull from SABRE, but ITA. However I did access it in native SABRE and you're correct, it does appear to be loaded.
37 Post contains images SANFan : Can anybody access OAG? I tried but my previous entry into their schedules doesn't work anymore... I sure hope we hear something "o-fish-ul" soon... l
38 SouthernDC9 : Where is DCA going to fit Virgin America or any new carriers? Can WN share with AirTran at this point? Last time I saw A it was getting crowded...
39 BryanG : Don't count out COS. When I was a defense contractor working in the D.C. area I had to travel to COS three or four times per year on various jobs. Th
40 SANFan : Wow, the plot is thickening like grandma's homemade gravy! Whether an inadvertent mistake, a leak, or a really bad joke, something seems to be going
41 klwright69 : COS is not a huge market to DCA, but it could work because of all the defense related interests in the "Springs." Thank you for agreeing with me...
42 EA CO AS : I passed it on to our CRC folks and they've pulled it. File it under "agent error," most likely.
43 SouthernDC9 : If they don't announce these slots soon I'm going to set myself on fire. Maybe. Probably not. Absolutely not, really, I would never do anything so mel
44 smoot4208 : You can fly DCA-SAN nonstop on US....
45 SouthernDC9 : Right, but I want to fly Alaska.
46 Post contains images SANFan : I can tell you 'DC9 that a lot of people feel the same way! Somebody just wanted to see how it looked "live" and didn't stop in time! At least I'm en
47 SYfan100 : Here is what I am thinking. JetBlue to SanJuan Air Canada to Toronto Air Canada to Montreal SunCountry to LasVegas Alaska to Portland
48 rgreenftm : Neither of these were in the AC application - The DOT can't approve what isn't applied for.
49 Post contains images ouboy79 : Double check the first post in the thread to see what actually was applied for.
50 Post contains images RWA380 : Ok, who has the pool going to see who is right with all 4 correctly picked. I think we can have a upgrade to First Class membership as a grand prize.
51 bjorn14 : The DOT has to eliminate two applications from what I understand. My guess would be AC YVR and B6 AUS
52 kgaiflyer : AS's timing for SAN-DCA is nearly identical to WN's SAN-BWI . I wonder what that will do to fares on both airlines?
53 SouthernDC9 : Not sure I follow, more than two proposals will have to be cut
54 FlyPNS1 : That's not a criteria the DOT uses when awarding slots, so it doesn't matter. Again, not a criteria the DOT uses. And if F9 did fail, the slot would
55 Post contains images SANFan : One of WN's SAN-BWI flights... WN's times are always changing so on the next schedule, they could be an hour or more different.. I think a lot of the
56 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Referring back to the original criteria, the only application I see which meets this criteria is F9. On page 42 of 44 on F9 application http://www.re
57 usflyguy : WN's proposal, on page 57 (exhibit 206), also lists connections of DAL, HOU, HRL, LBB, ELP, PHX, LAS, LAX, OAK, SJC, and SAN(of course).
58 GentFromAlaska : quote=usflyguy,reply=57][/quote Does WN offer service to all of these locations from AUS? My understanding of the rule leads me to believe qualifying
59 kgaiflyer : And all three departing within yards of each other in the same terminal. It's funny how it all turned out.
60 usflyguy : SAN, DEN, PHX, LAX and SEA all have nonstop service from DCA and many predict PDX will as well, leaving COS as the only "new" city via F9's proposed
61 ScottB : Yes. Of course, there already exist non-stop options from DCA to DEN, PHX, LAX & SEA. US will add DCA-SAN and AS has proposed DCA-PDX. Also, give
62 kgaiflyer : The old CO gates in that weird B Concourse sideways-extension are getting emptier and emptier as UA learns how to turn planes faster at its C Concour
63 CODC10 : I think UA will be staying in this area, as the former Presidents Club is slated to be expanded and renovated to be the only United Club at the airpo
64 Post contains images LHCVG : Now, now, US isn't NK.....yet. Is that confirmed? I've heard a lot about how they will be staying there, but I wasn't sure if there was an official d
65 Post contains links rgreenftm : Looks like someone didn't like that Alaska mistakenly was selling HNL-DCA tickets... http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2012-0029-6
66 WNCrew : People got really worked up over FL doing the same thing with MDW-CUN....
67 GentFromAlaska : The complaint is not written very well. It seems to me if someone finds it necessary to officially whine to the DOT they would proof their their own
68 gigneil : I hate that part of the airport and that security line. United operated a LOT more flights than Continental did, and that area is so cramped. I guess
69 Post contains images SANFan : All I can say is I hope this doesn't affect the DOT's decision (as in, they WERE going to award AS the route but now they won't?) As was pointed out
70 rgreenftm : Right, but the only bookable option in SABRE was apparently HNL-DCA with the stop in SAN, which is why I mentioned HNL-DCA instead of SAN-DCA.
71 steex : I wouldn't worry about that - it didn't stop DOT from awarding FL/WN the CHI-CUN authority.
72 CODC10 : As it stands right now, sCO actually has more flights out of DCA than sUA. Tomorrow, for example 8x EWR 8x IAH 5x CLE 16x ORD 1x DEN DCA-SFO will be
73 Post contains images SYfan100 : So I cheated a little bit and went into what I was really dreaming for a couple of routes! When looking though SunCountry and Alaska will still get r
74 GentFromAlaska : Circuitous routing perhaps DCA-SEA-SAN-HNL or DCA-SEA-HNL provided the existing schedule allows it to be done in a single day.
75 gigneil : I'll pop in there.... I'm planning to give that SFO-DCA a try if I can get a seat sometime that works. But what about that gate space.... that's a fa
76 LAXintl : The citizen letter to the DOT on its own wont change much, however I would strongly suggest Alaska notify the department of the error itself, and prov
77 SANFan : Well, I guess we go back into "hold" mode on this... I really thought we were going to hear something this week. We unfortunately did have a bit of dr
78 rgreenftm : Who says this can't happen still today? Wouldn't they potentially wait until the end of the day to announce?
79 boberito6589 : US said today that on July 11 US will pick up gates 27,29, and 31. The United Club on the Center Pier will also be rebranded as US Airways Club
80 SouthernDC9 : So today should be the day, yes? I'm also really surprised we haven't heard anything about the small-market slot currently held by US Airways to JAN.
81 LHCVG : Fair enough. I guess that settles it! I was surprised it took so long to see something formally announced on that - all I had seen was talk on here a
82 Post contains links philpdx : Alaska gets PDX-DCA! http://www.kgw.com/news/Alaska-gets-...onal-direct-flights-151374075.html
83 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The link wouldn't populate so here it is again. http://www.kgw.com/news/Alaska-gets-...onal-direct-flights-151374075.html
84 Post contains images SANFan : It looks like it's happening folks! Congrat's to Alaska Airlines, and to Portland! Not a tremendous surprise of course but still wonderful news. bb
85 SouthernDC9 : Can we infer that Alaska did NOT get SAN? Seems like they would have announced both but who knows...
86 steex : I wouldn't say we can draw that conclusion - the source is Portland-based and does not mention any of the other three slots, so they may well have on
87 Post contains images SANFan : The news comes from the DC office of an Oregon Senator so that's all that's reported here -- all this article is interested in. I am trying hard to f
88 SeeTheWorld : Looks like Cantwell's office jumped the gun here ... the fact that they have been told suggests the Order is probably about to become public ...
89 GentFromAlaska : A Senatorial nudge from Oregon I suppose. As unilateral and bilateral decisions go no other carrier that I'm aware of was competing for PDX as a orig
90 GentFromAlaska : I signed up for email alerts from regulations.gov for this DCA slot decision. I have not received any updates as of yet. With that said DOT may notif
91 Post contains images SANFan : I keep checking Docket 29 for any updates but then I don't know if anything would normally show up there. I trust you, or someone, will let us know w
92 Post contains links SeeTheWorld : DOT Selects Four Cities to Receive New Nonstop Service to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood today ann
93 SouthernDC9 : Thanks SANFan etc for the clarification, makes sense. Can we start taking bets on how many excess threads will be started beyond this one? (I.e. pote
94 SeeTheWorld : The U.S. Department of Transportation selected Alaska Airlines for service to Portland, Ore.; JetBlue Airways for San Juan, Puerto Rico; Southwest Air
95 rgreenftm : While I no doubt guess that Virgin is happy to have this service - it would seem a single daily flight would be quite expensive to operate, when you
96 SANFan : Congrats to the winning routes and carriers. bb
97 threeifbyair : So, to summarize: AS: PDX VX: SFO (1x) B6: SJU WN: AUS Pretty much what I and many others on here thought it would be. VX doesn't need to spend that m
98 Post contains images mogandoCI : Not bad, 4 for 4
99 Post contains links LAXintl : DOT Press Release Link http://www.dot.gov/affairs/2012/dot5512.html
100 chrisair : So, what happened to your ticket that you booked?[Edited 2012-05-14 09:59:50]
101 GentFromAlaska : Reading between the lines I'd be interested in knowing what criteria defines "merit award" procedures. It sounds like some of the criteria may have b
102 jetmatt777 : So when can the small market slots be expected to be announced?
103 SouthernDC9 : I think it's saying the proposals merit award, as in they're worthy of award, with merit as verb... a clunky way of saying it, no doubt...
104 yegbey01 : So SJU is deemed superior to Vancouver.....I thought the Jetblue bid required both AUS and SJU.
105 usflyguy : No. If they didn't get SJU, they didn't want AUS.
106 steex : This doesn't surprise me at all, San Juan is a part of the USA and the route is to be flown by an American carrier. I think both of those factors lik
107 mogandoCI : Not trying to sound political here, but if it were a US-based carrier bidding YVR, the story might have changed.
108 HPRamper : While in my opinion SAN could have supported more than one flight, I'm positive that governmental support for such disappeared once US opted for DCA-S
109 rgreenftm : I wonder if the fact that SEA was so close played a role in this? Also, does DCA have any type of customs facility? Would YVR pax be required to be c
110 SouthernDC9 : I don't think it's a judgment on either city per se... I suspect that if we had been talking about AC vs. several airlines that already had DCA servi
111 GentFromAlaska : When I first saw it I thought AC application for YVR-DCA was unique. In my mind AC application to fly to DCA would be better handled under the U.S. C
112 steex : I doubt SEA's proximity was much of a consideration, it would've been more the fact that the route provided absolutely no connectivity to anywhere in
113 mogandoCI : Don't think SEA really played a role. By the time you factor in the drive and traffic jam, one would have arrived DC earlier if he did YVR-ORD-DCA th
114 rgreenftm : Maybe, but you wouldn't have to pay the international taxes that causes many canadians to drive to BLI when flying to other points in the US (Allegia
115 atrude777 : Absurd or not..Virgin America KNEW that situation would occur if they won the award to fly DCA-SFO. Virgin did not have to apply, they did so knowing
116 mogandoCI : True, but isn't driving to BLI only a third of the time it takes to drive to SEA ?
117 SouthernDC9 : So I know the code-sharing issues that exist, but in terms of operations at DCA can WN just use the existing AirTran people/space/etc for their AUS fl
118 GentFromAlaska : The mileage between Bellingham and Seattle is 95 miles down I-5 plus an additional 14 miles in that SEATAC sits some 14 miles south of the Seattle ci
119 atrude777 : That is possible, from what I understand Southwest Employees will be working the Intl FL Flights out of SNA since that is not a PMFL station. I'd ima
120 LAXintl : Reading through the DOT order here were the pertinent and the persuasive argument for each winner. Ultimately the DOT found all the options would enha
121 enilria : I'm confused?
122 flyiguy : JetBlue to PDX , I think you need to edit and put SJU... Fly
123 HPRamper : I'm surprised PDX was the 4th largest O&D market out of DCA. That's a strangely large number.
124 chrisair : Doesn't matter. All airports with trans-boarder flights need to have a customs facility. AS found that out the hard way flying YVR-SNA several years
125 catiii : There's lots of state capitals with nonstop links to DCA: ATL, ALB, BOS, PVD, BDL. Unless you mean Texas' first state capital link to DCA. This is ir
126 SouthernDC9 : DCA has flights to/from Canada as well as NAS (which might be seasonal, not sure, and I hope I didn't just dream that up or something). At any rate,
127 LAXintl : And the reasons why others were not selected. Air Canada to YVR o Smallish local market compared to most other proposals o Competitive effects not as
128 GentFromAlaska : WN award of AUS-DCA brings to the surface another interesting thought. Not considering the merger with FL. WN has stated many times over the years; I
129 SeeTheWorld : I don't think you mean ironic ... and, seriously, DCA-SFO is a huge market .. not only can it support two flights on two carriers, it could easily su
130 LAXintl : Air Canada applied, as the bilateral treats Canadian carriers the same as US airlines when it comes to things like slots at places like DCA, LGA etc.
131 steex : DCA, as I mention, does have a customs facility. The DCA customs staff could attend to pre-cleared flights if necessary in emergency, but certainly ar
132 LHCVG : Funny how access to DCA will change their tune!
133 threeifbyair : Perhaps PDX is the 4th largest beyond perimeter market? It can't be the 4th largest O&D market in general. Notable that the DOT mentioned AS's hi
134 gigneil : Why does this come up so often? Of course there is a customs facility, and AC serves DCA already. NS
135 yegbey01 : Are you suggesting that to get to YVR from DCA is quite convenient because AC and US fly from DCA to Canadian cities.....Not sure I get the point her
136 Post contains links catiii : Not true. And anyway, from the MWAA website: http://www.mwaa.com/reagan/1269.htm Customs at Reagan National Reagan National does not have a U.S. Cust
137 SeeTheWorld : DCA does not have a customs facility .. All international flights into DCA are pre-cleared (Canada and Caribbean) from airports that have U.S. custom
138 LAXintl : Yes beyond perimeter, that is what these slot exemption competition was for. Indeed. In the DOT's eyes, AC can route its YVR-DCA pax via existing YUL
139 Post contains links LAXintl : Press releases are out: JetBlue "It's a great day for JetBlue as we further expand our low fare presence in two of our most rapidly growing cities, Wa
140 canyonblue17 : Not quite. Considering Airtran (a wholly owned subsidiary of Southwest Airlines) already does more than 5 flights a day from DCA, the DCA-AUS flight
141 slcdeltarumd11 : Basically the highest seeds won and no major upsets and distributed evenly to the largest and most stable airlines aka neither Alaska, Jetblue, or vir
142 usflyguy : SJD is starting with 1 daily flight and MEX will have 2. DSM will have 2 and CAK will have 3.
143 GentFromAlaska : I think you missed my point. AS has an existing SEA-DCA beyond perimeter slot and is fairly close to YVR. On the tourism front both countries offer s
144 FlyPNS1 : No real surprises with the slot winners. There was no way anyone was going to get more than 1 slot as the DOT likes to spread the love as best as poss
145 md3 : The confusion is really in people's perception of the word "facility." There are a couple USCBP agents at DCA in a small closet of an office, station
146 slcdeltarumd11 : No airline had a shot at winning more than one slot with the lone exception of vx and they didn't even get it as a new airline. No real surprises basi
147 gigneil : Perhaps that is what I mean. I've personally met CBP agents that work at DCA. NS
148 Post contains links and images md3 : I think all four awarded today are great additions, and on great carriers for the market. Looking nowat the cities with beyond-perimeter exemptions fr
149 Post contains images LAXintl : No I dont think I missed your point. The point should be that SEA and YVR are two separate markets, not the least because they are in different count
150 ADent : Once the FL/WN merger goes thru WN will serve DCA 5 or more times a day.
151 LHCVG : You raise a very good point - now that all the big fish are taken care of, how will DOT proceed in future slot exemptions? I think it gets much more
152 gigneil : Not to mention are a 3 hour drive from each other with no traffic - no closer than the cluster of massive international airports between NY and DC. N
153 GentFromAlaska : Good point I know of several airports who have CBP agents on call who must be able to respond within an hour. They do no have offices at the airport.
154 seabosdca : Quite surprised by SJU. A little flash of bureaucratic independence and rebellion to assign slots to a place without a congresscritter. I thought it w
155 catiii : Probably not until Congress reauthorizes the FAA legislation that led to this round. Keep in mind this round for an addition of 8 slots for limited i
156 gigneil : I had a similar reply earlier and just chose not to make it because it was complicated, but I agree with you. Congress made this one a bit more compl
157 Post contains images catiii : Now, does that preclude members of the House and Senate from weighing in in support of an airline's application? It sure doesn't...
158 Rookinla : Quoting Rookinla (Reply 23): But I can assure you that what was ticketed today was Alaska DCA-SAN-HNL round trip direct...one flight number and no pla
159 seabosdca : ...and, to add to that, it doesn't preclude members from remembering how their districts were treated when markup time rolls around. Smart bureaucrat
160 FlyPNS1 : It's not that uncommon. Many slot awards have not gone the way that Congressional members have wanted. One upside to having government bureaucrats wh
161 SeeTheWorld : Well, don't forget that every airline has a host of congressional representatives that lend their vocal support ... JetBlue's supporters are very pow
162 SeeTheWorld : Well, ok, but I still don't think it's ironic .... Coincidence maybe, but DCA-SFO could support six nonstop flights easily ... there isn't anything c
163 Post contains links catiii : Does anyone know how JetBlue plans to route the 320 on DCA-SJU? In their application they proposed a 10A departure frm DCA, arriving in SJU at 1:55P.
164 LHCVG : Of course--that remark was in jest. In truth, it's yet another example of how WN has had to adapt it's business model as it chases "the long tail" of
165 SouthernDC9 : Being a Mississippian and an airline geek, I'm really curious when they will announce the US (DCA-JAN) vs. WN (DCA-OKC) decision. I know F9 is in ther
166 JetBlueGuy2006 : They do have some political clout. Puerto Rico is a US Territory which means that they do elect a Resident Commissioner who serves a 4 year term. The
167 jfklganyc : I'm not surprised by SJU. I think the DOT wanted to award a slot to each of these carriers if they put in a good presentation. I honestly don't think
168 LHCVG : I also noted the DOT's own mention of the fact that it was a leisure market - so they were giving things dual consideration rather than just a busine
169 ouboy79 : Many of us around here are wondering the same thing. It sucks that OKC finally gaining access to DCA comes at the cost of another city - especially s
170 klwright69 : Given the competition I am not surprised F9 did not get an award to COS. I bet F9 will try again and likely succeed at some point, provided F9 is stil
171 kgaiflyer : IIRC, there was a public clamor for such service -- some orchestrated inside the Asian community in northern Virginia. With the service in place, few
172 kgaiflyer : If the connection here is the petroleum / pipeline industry, YYC (Canada's oil capital) will probably get service from DCA before YVR (cruise ships a
173 yegbey01 : I'm not sure there's that much business between YYC and WAS in general. If the market warrants a flight to YYC from the WAS area, United would have o
174 LAXintl : JetBlue published its schedule: Effective August 23rd DCA-SJU 0850-1234 SJU-DCA 1755-2144 A320
175 SANFan : Thanx for the update LAX'. The times of the n/b flight sure don't resemble the ones in the original application, which were: DCA-SJU 10:00am-1:55pm S
176 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : B6 ranges 34 - 38 departures per day from SJU in June (that's the last schedule package that I can see right now for some reason) with a lot of those
177 catiii : That schedule didn't make much sense to me from an aircraft utilization standpoint, unless they were planning to upgauge in some way one of the exist
178 LAXintl : Schedules were subject to existing DCA slot constraints, and had to be worked out with the FAA. DOT in its award made note that requested carrier slot
179 B6JFKH81 : Again, with the amount of flight activity that we have in SJU, it is probably NOT the same a/c doing the DCA-SJU run as the SJU-DCA run (for the init
180 Post contains images CGKings317 : As a PDXer (part time at least), I can't wait to see what slot times AS is allocated for its newly awarded PDX-DCA route. I also wonder what flight nu
181 HiFlyerAS : Heard today from an AS agent in DCA that PDX service will start in August, earlier than the Sept 8th mandatory start date. Didn't get an exact date t
182 catiii : You missed my point entirely. I'm not talking about SJU. Look at what the proposed schedule was in the application: DCA-SJU 1000-1355 SJU-DCA 1105-15
183 ouboy79 : Now if we could just get some news on the AIR21 slots. /sigh
184 FlyPNS1 : It pretty much has to RON at DCA given noise curfews at DCA.
185 LAXintl : Southwest informed the DOT it intends to launch its DCA-AUS service on or about July 8th. It still is awaiting final slot time award from the FAA, how
186 LAXintl : Virgin America is out with its schedule. Effective August 14th. SFO-DCA 0800-1605 DCA-SFO 1700-1940 A319
187 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : Yes, I reversed what you were implying, sorry about that. DCA will be going up to A320s for more of its flights. In fact, as of June (which is STILL
188 catiii : Great insight, thanks for that post. Looks like they're doing a good job of stimulating demand if they're upgauging.
189 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : As they used to say in the F-14 program:
190 WWTRAVELER99 : The short answer is NO. Now the longer answer. If the aircraft is on WN metal it will be operated by Southwest and worked by Southwest employees. The
191 SANFan : I will ask again. Anyone know if WN for sure will still do the SAN-tag-on (as per their original application) to their DCA-AUS flights? I'm curious if
192 LAXintl : No, carriers are not under obligation to serve the beyond points, however one of the DOT selection criteria was for proposed new routes to provide bro
193 LAXintl : And Alaska has notified the DOT of its planned schedule. Still awaiting slot timing confirmations from FAA Effective August 24th PDX-DCA arrival 1700
194 Post contains links SANFan : WN now has flights in their booking engine, effective July8: Depart AUS 12:25pm - Arrive DCA 4:40pm #4114 Depart DCA 5:15pm - Arrive AUS 7:30pm #4271
195 usflyguy : Could be the timings that the FAA gave them.
196 LAXintl : As mentioned slot timings are controlled by the FAA, and their availability was always going to be limited. You can see that published times do not ex
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