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Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE  
User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1401 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 27462 times:
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A Ryanair air hostess fell out of the plane while attempting to close the door at GSE earlier today. She fell 3 meters and injured her head but was contactable.

http://www.thelocal.se/40712/20120508/

Edited airport info

[Edited 2012-05-08 10:39:09]


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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 27392 times:

Ouch, that gotta hurt!

But according to the article it took place on Gothenburg City airport, GSE, and not at GOT. Which makes sense since FR doesn't fly to GOT.


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27154 times:

Hostess? It's 2012 and the correct term is Flight Attendant or Cabin Crew Member...

I hope she recovers quickly!



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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1401 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27074 times:
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Quoting m11stephen (Reply 2):

Oh I'm sorry, but I quoted the aticle, and hostess sounds more glamorous than Flight attendant  

But I must say that I have thought more than once that it looks very dangerous when they lean out to close the door and that an accident was bound to happen



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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27053 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 2):
Hostess? It's 2012 and the correct term is Flight Attendant or Cabin Crew Member...

Jeez, sorry!   It's not as if nobody knows what was meant!

Hope the crew member is ok. FR turnarounds can be dangerous, 25 minutes is a short space of time to unload, clean, load, move ground equipment... Not surprising an accident has happened.



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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26952 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 4):
Hope the crew member is ok. FR turnarounds can be dangerous, 25 minutes is a short space of time to unload, clean, load, move ground equipment... Not surprising an accident has happened.

I don't know how they do it... 24 minutes is barely enough time to turn a CRJ-200...!



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26843 times:

Quoting johnkrist (Reply 3):
that I have thought more than once that it looks very dangerous when they lean out to close the door and that an accident was bound to happen

Some time ago, circa 1996, i was sitting in 1A (all Y confing) in an rather old DC-9 flying for P5 at the time. When everyone was ready, one F/A lean out the plane to reach for the door with her left hand, and all of the sudden, the handle she was grabbing with her right hand, simply failed and the poor woman fell off directly into the tarmac. I clearly remember seeing the F/A lying down on the tarmac sideways, painfully screaming. Medical crews came really fast and took her away. Some years later in an AV flight to JFK I was chatting with a F/A and this story came, they told me they kner her and she had serious issues with some hip bone fractures and IIRC, she had to quit her job. Obviously, things ended up in court, P5 being sued.

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 4):
Hope the crew member is ok.

Hopefully she'll recover and get back to work again.

777jaah



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1908 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26837 times:
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Poor girl! Hope she'll be alright.. Open a/c doors are a danger that is IMO seriously underestimated, and I am surprised at how often we see reports about accidents..

Martijn



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User currently offlineFoxRomeo From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26780 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 4):
FR turnarounds can be dangerous, 25 minutes is a short space of time to unload, clean, load, move ground equipment... Not surprising an accident has happened.

What's that got to do with her falling out the door?


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1485 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26721 times:

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 7):

Poor girl! Hope she'll be alright.. Open a/c doors are a danger that is IMO seriously underestimated, and I am surprised at how often we see reports about accidents..

Yes and the 737 doors are notoriously difficult to operate given that they are an old design and do not have power assistance.



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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26649 times:

In the United States at least CSA's (Gate Agents) are usually responsible for opening and closing the door from the outside. Not only is the chance of anyone getting injured significantly reduced but the chance of an inadvertent slide deployment is also decreased.


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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26548 times:

Why oh why don't they shut the door first, and then retract the airstairs. Then they can stand on the airstairs to get the door over centre.
A B737 door is an accident waiting to happen. I have complained about them many times. They are so dangerous, especially the fwd doors which have to be pulled uphill to close.
How Boeing got the FAA to accept them on the NG.
Any reputable airline would insist on having a set of steps under the door when it is open.
In our airline it is an automatic ASR if a door is even cracked open with no platform under it. We are not going to have another injured crew member.

Feel very sorry for the lady, and hope she has some sort of union so she can sue Ryanair for unsafe working practices.

If you do this at work, think about it. It is not safe.


User currently offlineScottishDavie From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2011, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26508 times:

Some years back a U2 pilot was badly hurt when he fell out of a 737 door at EDI:
http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-80929.html


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26423 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 10):
but the chance of an inadvertent slide deployment is also decreased.

Not on a B737.
Remember 1962 design, manual slide attachment.
Open from the outside, no automatic slide disarm.
And they still make new ones!


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 26359 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 2):
Hostess? It's 2012 and the correct term is Flight Attendant or Cabin Crew Member...

In North America maybe



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 26330 times:

FOXROMEO

25 minute turn round surely means that everything is done in a hurry.

When you rush, slip up happen.


User currently onlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 26240 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 11):
Any reputable airline would insist on having a set of steps under the door when it is open.

Ryanair's 738's still have the retractable air-stairs that most others delete on the fore door, I believe these most certainly need to be retracted to close the door.


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1485 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 26180 times:

**I was INCORRECT!**

I must've been remembering the MD80 Airstairs where we couldn't close the L1 Door until retraction was complete...

[Edited 2012-05-08 12:21:41]


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User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 26018 times:

Ryanair door operation fail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByBJwPxxb0A


User currently offlineairsmiles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 25505 times:

I've always used the term Stewardess as it seems more respectful to me. No one's ever biffed me for it on board so I assume they agree as well.

User currently offlineaxelesgg From Sweden, joined Jan 2010, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24840 times:

The police confirms it:
http://www.polisen.se/Vastra_Gotalan...8-1227-Arbetsplatsolycka-Goteborg/ (in swedish)


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24531 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 13):
Not on a B737.
Remember 1962 design, manual slide attachment.
Open from the outside, no automatic slide disarm.
And they still make new ones!

You're right! My apologies I was thinking of the 757...

I remember an incident back in the early 2000s involving a Ryanair aircraft where the underbelly caught fire and had to be evacuated... 2 of the 4 cabin crew members lacked the strength to open the 737 doors in emergency mode.



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User currently offlineasctty From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24406 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 16):
Ryanair's 738's still have the retractable air-stairs that most others delete on the fore door, I believe these most certainly need to be retracted to close the door

That's the difference here, hanging out over the ground without the safety of the airstair top platform. Hanging out a long way too might even breach EU Working at Height Legislation. In fact, without a safety harness I am sure it does!


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23743 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 14):
In North America maybe

Hope he never heard the song Air Hostess by Busted. Would probably cry.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23687 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 10):
In the United States at least CSA's (Gate Agents) are usually responsible for opening and closing the door from the outside.

This has been my experience in the US. I can't recall ever seeing the flight attendants working the door alone, either at departure or on arrival. Often more than one gate agent is waiting outside on arrival and if not, the attendant inside waits until someone arrives, much to the annoyance of the passengers trying to stampede off the aircraft.

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 11):
A B737 door is an accident waiting to happen. I have complained about them many times.

Perhaps a timely call to the 737MAX development team is in order!!

Those doors look heavy. I am surprised flight attendants and gate agents haven't lost fingers trying to close them!


25 asctty : If they are using the Ryaniar preferred retractable stairs, the ground crew cannot assist with opening or closing the door. Is this a Ryanair only st
26 ordjoe : Hopefully this Hostess will be fine, people do not realize even falling a few feet or 1meter can cause serious injuries, let alone faling from a 737 o
27 nomadd22 : When several million 737 flight a year manage to get their doors closed without hitting the tarmac I have to assume it's not exactly rocket science. O
28 Post contains links CitationJet : An All Nippon Airways F/A was killed in 1987 when she fell out of a door of a 747, and fell 20 feet to the ground. http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/b
29 PI4EVER : The original 737-200's with retractable forward stairs required the F/A to literally pull the door closed.....no power assist. You had to disengage pa
30 kdhurst380 : Cabin Crew Member is the preferred term among most European airlines, in fact, I don't think I've heard Flight Attendant being used outside of North
31 lucce : I once saw two (2) Tuifly Nordic FA's trying to close the R1 door on a 737-800. Looked kind of reassuring (or not). At most European airlines (at lea
32 zippyjet : I hope she has a speedy recovery and speedy return to work. For us metrically challenged: 3 meters is 9.84 ft.! Quite a drop and scary. Several years
33 anfromme : First time I've seen the words "Ryanair" and "union" in the same sentence in a while. So: not very likely, and knowing Ryanair, I wouldn't expect muc
34 YYCFlyer : RUSH = Really Ugly S*** Happens
35 Post contains images ditzyboy : I have lost half a front tooth trying to open one. True story
36 Tristarsteve : On all B737 you must stow the upper handrails. Then you can fully close the door. Then you retract the airstair. You can open and close the door with
37 LXa332 : Am I wrong in saying that these 2 shouldn't have been cabin crew? At the very least, FA's should be able to open any/all emergency exits, no?
38 Post contains images BasilFawlty : Maybe in the US but in Europe airlines are focussing on a thing called profit, so they do more things in less time. Did countless 25 minute turnaroun
39 jporterfi : In the Unites States, WN does this all the time, and I don't recall many accidents happening with them (you would think that they would change the pr
40 RyanairGuru : Did you read the article? She didn't simply lean out of the aircraft, the door was practically closed and was then caught by a gust of wind. It flew
41 Post contains images m11stephen : My record when it comes to turning a CRJ-200 is 16 minutes and that was with something like 50 pax coming in and 40 going out... Unless I am screamin
42 ACEregular : At U2 when they still operated the B733 and B73G with integral airstairs, procedure was to crack the door slightly, then deploy the airstairs from the
43 FoxRomeo : That's not the procedure anymore. Haven't seen it like that in a good few years. If you watch any Ryanair step retraction or extension (as in the vid
44 Post contains images johnkrist : KLM had/have an app on Facebook called "Stewardress yourself", end result wasn't pretty though... Strange attitude, even if there are safer jobs, why
45 Cabincrewifly : Really? With FR i've only ever seen them crack the door, then operate the airstairs, not the door first
46 Harmonium : I've personally done hundreds of turnarounds of 738s of 20 minutes or less, since that's usually the scheduled ground time with most LCC I work with.
47 EK413 : Are the stairs an option on Ryan Air B737's...? I'm only guessing it is.... I have never understood why crew aren't required to wear some form of saf
48 Post contains images breiz : I am surprised that regulations allow to handle doors when a gust of wind may happen!
49 ltbewr : I suspect there will be an investigation by labor workplace and aircraft safety agencies of this serious injury to the FA in this incident. From the i
50 Cabincrewifly : Its very easy to see how they could fall off the steps when the door is just opened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnSDZRMaa-E
51 virgincrew : I know at VS - we don't open or close doors in normal mode, the ground staff will open and close aircraft doors after being instructed by the cabin cr
52 usair330 : I fell off the belt loader at PHL working for WN due to someone leaving an RON chalk for the main gear on the side and landed on my head. It does hur
53 Post contains links Crosswind : http://youtu.be/BVxPBeu2PaI?t=2m10s Link above shows Ryanair door opening procedures... Bit of a health and safety nightmare! The additional straps sh
54 Tristarsteve : The problem is that there is no approved anchor point to fix the harness to. There is only one safe answer. Only open and close the doors with a plat
55 bjorn14 : Partially true as it had to do more with it being sexist, thus the gender neutral term...Flight Attendant. Do other a/c have power assisted doors? Ai
56 Tristarsteve : Tristar !!! on all doors, and the B767 on L1 and L2 (some airlines) and DC10? But a lot of doors do not need it. A320 A330 B777 B787 to name some are
57 brilondon : , When you don't have to put on refreshments, or clean any thing or load much luggage, 20 minutes is plenty of time to remove passengers and load new
58 Post contains links RJAF : Well, not even a month has passed since a similar incident occured at Queen Alia International Airport - Amman, where a Belgian pilot working for Onur
59 Post contains images vanguard737 : Glad to hear she was relatively uninjured. Similar accidents have resulted in a fatality in the past. I recall the AA flight attendant who was sucked
60 ACEregular : I did say "I would often watch" Not I always see it. So having not been around any Ryanair flights of late I am not able to assert that claim, but the
61 planesmith : Errr No! this is Ryanair - they'll be deducting her pay for leaving work early....
62 EIDL : The reasoning I've heard is that it allows them to operate to fields with minimal ground ops available. I would imagine that MOL has worked out the p
63 HAWK21M : Something similiar occured in the early 90s on a B732 aft door & the falling FA was caught by an AMT standing below who was supervising the door c
64 Post contains links Viscount724 : There have been at least two incidents in the U.S. where a crew member fell to their death from an aircraft door, including this AA A300 at MIA in 20
65 quiet1 : I think that article from the OP has been edited a few times. e.g. I don't see that information in the article as I read it now. What is there now is
66 Post contains links BAeRJ100 : A similar incident happened a couple years ago on a 717 at AYQ. A training cabin crew member was in charge of closing the doors (albeit under supervis
67 RyanairGuru : That's is a different comment to the one I read. I think your right about about it being edited as the story "develops" - i.e. more and more people s
68 coolum : I knew of a Dispatcher that had stopped on the steps after everything was completed to check his paperwork. Due to the door only being fractionally op
69 HAWK21M : What type was this?.
70 skyhawk : Years ago at Pan Am one of our very senior ladies fell out of a 707 when the jetway retracted on its own. She was hurt pretty bad, unfortunately her f
71 coolum : It was an FR 737-800
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