zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5117 posts, RR: 13 Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
Is it my imagination or, is CLT experiencing a higher number of ATC and other delays these past few years? CLT seems to be trying to make a run for massive delays and pain in the butt factor the way the evil three NYC area airports, BOS, MCO and FLL create/endure. For example, ATL will be fine but CLT is a major delay. We get all the US passengers that would mis-connect due to the delays in CLT. Any and all theories/answers/explanations are welcome.
usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3245 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
Fact of the matter is that in the past 5 years US has added an average of 150 flts a day. While that is good for CLT, it is only a matter of time that an increase in flights turns into an increase in delays.
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2968 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2474 times:
CLT is a mess with frequent ground delays of up to 15 mins for spacing.
Never really understood it because on a whole, the airport is not that busy, and the airspace is not that busy.
That said, US has a terrible Bank-Gap-Bank-Gap setup.
In between banks, you could literally march a parade at a slow crawl up the runways. At the bank, the place might as well be tiny, crowded LGA.
Further complicating things is the bad ramp setup, which from a pilot perspective, is downright dangerous.
-Tiny area, with dual taxiway lines swinging around corners of the concourses
-Taxiway lines veer off into alleyways with little warning
-Hard stand areas in the middle of this on the west side
-"Alleyway" setup which causes delays to/from gates
-Pilots that go through the area at very fast taxi speed
-Regional area deposits aircraft right into departure queue for 18L causing massive traffic jams during bank
I have said it before and I will say it again, one day there will be a collision on that ramp...it is that dangerous.
So when you put that all together, that probably adds to the delay situations.
GSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
Last night it was Thunderstorms. ATL has the same problems during the Summer, it's just something that happens in the southeast. The storms in ATL or CLT don't spread out too far, and nearby airports like GSP have good enough weather to stay open and take diversions. During the Summer, I would say GSP gets at least 1 diversion each week from ATL, so I get to see some interesting aircraft. Last night we had 2X E170, 2X CR9, 2X A320, an A321 and a 734 (All US) that all stayed until CLT opened.
That is in aircraft movements, not passengers carried, which would make it the 25th busiest airport. But even with the article you posted it stated there are about 670 total daily departures so I'm thinking a sizable portion of CLT's traffic is non-passenger cargo.
It states there were 539,842 aircraft movements last year. If I take 670 daily flights and multiply it by 2 (to account for one take off and one landing per flight) I get 1340. Multiply that by 365 I get 489,100, so what are the other 50,742 flights?
"He waited his whole damn life to take that flight. And as the plane crashed down he thought 'Well isn't this nice...'"
usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3245 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2102 times:
Quoting BC77008 (Reply 10): It states there were 539,842 aircraft movements last year. If I take 670 daily flights and multiply it by 2 (to account for one take off and one landing per flight) I get 1340. Multiply that by 365 I get 489,100, so what are the other 50,742 flights?
Also the 670 is an average at a given point in time. It may fluctuate throughout the year depending on the season.
Also don't forget other carriers fly into CLT other than just US.
zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5117 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1955 times:
Believe it or not US crew members affectionately refer to CLT as Hillbilly Philly! US seems to have lousy hubs/focus cities for on time performance.
CLT, LGA, DCA, BOS. We, BWI are considered the Southeast (at least northern tier) and we get afternoon and evening thunderstorms most of the year. It seems, ATL recovers faster than CLT, BOS and the evil three NYC airports.
bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1733 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1625 times:
They also need to cancel the noise abatement BS where they are only allowed to use 5-23 in the mornings.. I have taken off many mornings from NC/SC/GA/VA airports to find long vectors, ground stops, etc. etc. just because of this.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21821 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
Quoting bahadir (Reply 20): They also need to cancel the noise abatement BS where they are only allowed to use 5-23 in the mornings.. I have taken off many mornings from NC/SC/GA/VA airports to find long vectors, ground stops, etc. etc. just because of this.
When did that change? 36L (now 36C) used to be the preferred noise abatement runway.
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 16): US seems to have lousy hubs/focus cities for on time performance. CLT, LGA, DCA, BOS.
What's wrong with DCA's on time performance? I'd note, too, that in the winter, CLT's on-time performance is very good - CLT was at 89.66 percent in February, 2012, better than all other legacy hubs and better than every major hub save BWI (incidentally, the 6 worst major hubs in February, 2012 were all UA hubs).
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3245 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1430 times:
I have only flown in/out of CLT a handful of times but I would caution that the truth is not always in the numbers. An ontime departure is when the aircraft pushes back ontime, that does not take into account waiting to depart for 20 minutes. This is why US builds quite a buffer into flying times. EWR-PHL blocked at almost an hour though it averages 25 minutes of flying time. Also I forget what consitutues an arrival but if it's wheels down it does not account for taxi time and ramp delays due alleyway congestion or an aircraft still at the gate of arrival.
25 jfklganyc: "Its the 6th busiest airport in the world." By your measure, DAB is also one of the busiest airports in the world haha
26 Cubsrule: Which measure? He's not talking movements.
27 silentbob: Arrival on the gate constitutes an "arrival", so those issues are considered. It shouldn't, you've already departed the gate. That's why it is called
28 thenoflyzone: During peak hours, it's pretty obvious it's more than 60-65 per hour. Hence the problem. 670 arrivals/day divided by 18 hours gives you 37 movements/
29 Cubsrule: It's not obvious. If weather closes the airfield, no number of slots, no matter how small, eliminates delays and diversions.
30 thenoflyzone: no one is talking about eliminating delays. I'm merely suggesting a way to operate the airport that would be better than the current way it is done.
31 Cubsrule: How do we know that it's better? It's obvious that in the winter, the airport doesn't need slots.
32 DashTrash: It was that way when I started Piedmont in '04. Turboprops were permitted to use 18R / 36L but turbojet traffic was all 5/23 unless operational neces
33 dumbell2424: Related, here's a good article summarizing CLT's future plans http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...llion-on-future.html#storylink=cpy One interestin
34 Cubsrule: That's interesting. Between 2005 and 2007, I landed 36L late at night numerous times.