seansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 717 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7624 times:
BA are launching LCY-IOM with up to three daily services. It will initially be operated by a EMB170 but then a wet leased Saab 2000 from Eastern. Apparently the plane will be painted in BA colours.
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2361 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7575 times:
Quoting seansasLCY (Thread starter):
BA are launching LCY-IOM with up to three daily services. It will initially be operated by a EMB170 but then a wet leased Saab 2000 from Eastern. Apparently the plane will be painted in BA colours.
Now this comes as a surprise. BA wet leasing SAABs from Eastern to operate to IOM? Would it have been easier to use theur partner Sun Air for that?
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11949 posts, RR: 37 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7155 times:
I wonder if LCY-JER will follow at some stage; I know Blue Islands flies it now with ATR42s (and an F50), but business travellers would probably prefer the jet.
With the LGW-based 734 fleet being whittled down and no economic justification to replace them, I can't help wondering if BA will try and capture pax from the busiest business routes and persuade them to fly via LCY.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11113 posts, RR: 63 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7049 times:
I can't say I'm too surprised by this, I understand it has been under consideration for a while after it became clear that Aer Arann would be pulling out.
I'm not sure it would work without a stop at (the now mothballed) PLH. A night-stopping D328 service might be in with a chance, certainly ASW showed the loads were excellent for such an operation, but most of the higher yielding traffic originated at PLH, which could be a problem.
Quoting kaitak (Reply 3): I wonder if LCY-JER will follow at some stage;
That again has been rumored for a while. I think it will be a logical step in the future.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18821 posts, RR: 54 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6917 times:
Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 7): I know there is a lot competition with the West Coast mainline but I would love to see a BA LCY-MAN service added.
Zero chance of LCY-MAN-LCY. And this unlikelihood is increasing every day - not just from the speed and frequency of train travel, but also the ease, pretty much hassle-free nature, and convenience they bring vis-a-vis flying on short sectors.
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extspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6861 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6): Quoting seansasLCY (Thread starter):
Now I can just hope for a NQY route!
I'm not sure it would work without a stop at (the now mothballed) PLH. A night-stopping D328 service might be in with a chance, certainly ASW showed the loads were excellent for such an operation, but most of the higher yielding traffic originated at PLH, which could be a problem.
How about making it LCY - EXT - NQY? I know that the train is very competitive to Exeter (only about 2 hours 15 minutes from Paddington) however it may bolster NQY passenger numbers to make the service viable.
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PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11113 posts, RR: 63 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6828 times:
Quoting extspotter (Reply 9): How about making it LCY - EXT - NQY? I know that the train is very competitive to Exeter (only about 2 hours 15 minutes from Paddington) however it may bolster NQY passenger numbers to make the service viable.
That would definitely not work, Exeter to Paddington by train is too quick and convenient, being as you say around the 2 hour mark. A direct summer NQY service would probably be in with a shot though, NQY are desperate for more services so would cut BACF a good deal.
GSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6754 times:
Was having coffee with friends at LHR at the weekend and they mentioned that BACF were adding a S20 to the fleet. I just thought it to be rumour but as we have found out today it was a fact. The Saab's are good little aircraft especially when it comes to operating short commuter hops. I have a feeling we could be seeing more than one Saab in BA colours and possibly another 2 domestic destinations added.
I don't think you will ever see a return to a direct NQY to LCY route. There is just not the year round market.
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 3): I wonder if LCY-JER will follow at some stage; I know Blue Islands flies it now with ATR42s (and an F50), but business travellers would probably prefer the jet.
I think JER is definatly one of the top 5 routes BA would look at opening from LCY. One option with the JER route would be to make it as part of a combined flight operating. A E90 could be used to operate to JER then on to GCI. With the aircraft operating a pattern like this:
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 2370 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6030 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19): That is a common misconception, LCY is not slot restricted and there is plenty of scope for growth within the current facilities.
That's misleading, it is VERY restricted at the times that business needs to fly, between 0630-0930 and between 1730-1930. There is lots of off peak opportunities for sun routes but not so much for day return business travel.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11113 posts, RR: 63 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5735 times:
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 20): That's misleading, it is VERY restricted at the times that business needs to fly, between 0630-0930 and between 1730-1930.
Making it no different from many other airports - peak time slots will always be harder to obtain, however this does not make an airport slot restricted in general so I would not class such a statement as misleading.
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 2370 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5552 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 22): so I would not class such a statement as misleading.
It's restricted at the times when any new entrant needs to fly. Is that clear enough? The times when it is free are times when the based carriers offer routes to the South of France or Spain. There is little room in the times required to serve the market on the Wharf and the London business community which is the core business of the airport. The fact that almost nothing moves between noon and 2pm is a clue.
GolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5539 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10): That would definitely not work, Exeter to Paddington by train is too quick and convenient
When did that happen? 15 years ago my in-laws lived in Cornwall, I would only half heartily joke that NYC-LON flight was faster than getting to their place (a 90 minute drive from Exeter) from the airport. It would have been sweet to do JFK-LCY-EXT.
25 PlymSpotter: I can see what you are saying, I simply don't agree with it. Both that an airport is considered slot restricted in general just because it's busy in
26 VV701: According to the slot coordinator, Airport Coordination Ltd, neither slot demand nor slot allocation is at capacity at LCY at any time of the day. In
27 adg737800: A shrewd move - connecting the finance industries of the City and IOM - and I bet there's plenty of Exec Club members on the IOM who would switch from
28 skipness1E: Hmmm odd given the evening rush kicks off just before six, it's pretty quiet between 5 and 5:45, though between 0730 and 0900, many arrivals find the
29 PlymSpotter: Exactly. Stand capacity is far more of an issue than slot capacity. Dan
30 skipness1E: Maybe I am being thick, but surely slot capacity is constrianed by parking availability? There's no remote parking at LCY, (stands 12-14 are not used
31 PlymSpotter: Potentially, it depends on the turnaround times as to whether available runway capacity (in regular operation) can exceed available stand capacity. T
32 ZuluTime: Slot capacity at LCY is indeed constrained by parking, but the coordinator will not grant slots for any operation which has a turnround of more than 3
33 GT4EZY: I think what he means is ATC slots....... I imagine, whilst parking is obviously restricted at peak times, it doesn't have much to do with slots AFAIK
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