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BA Launch LCY-IOM  
User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8338 times:

BA are launching LCY-IOM with up to three daily services. It will initially be operated by a EMB170 but then a wet leased Saab 2000 from Eastern. Apparently the plane will be painted in BA colours.

News from @TheHUBroutes on twitter.

Now I can just hope for a NQY route!

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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8289 times:

Quoting seansasLCY (Thread starter):

BA are launching LCY-IOM with up to three daily services. It will initially be operated by a EMB170 but then a wet leased Saab 2000 from Eastern. Apparently the plane will be painted in BA colours.

Now this comes as a surprise. BA wet leasing SAABs from Eastern to operate to IOM? Would it have been easier to use theur partner Sun Air for that?



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19199 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

Very interesting and this follows the termination of the route by VLM and Aer Arann.

I must try to fly the S20.

[Edited 2012-05-09 01:40:05]


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7869 times:

I wonder if LCY-JER will follow at some stage; I know Blue Islands flies it now with ATR42s (and an F50), but business travellers would probably prefer the jet.

With the LGW-based 734 fleet being whittled down and no economic justification to replace them, I can't help wondering if BA will try and capture pax from the busiest business routes and persuade them to fly via LCY.


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 813 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7829 times:

Interesting move. BA really has been making great strides at LCY.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

A cinfirmation on what has been said on:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ba-to-launch-lcy-isle-of-man-route

and here are are the schedules...

Weekday flights will depart LCY at 0725, 1300 and 1740, with the return legs leaving the Isle of Man at 0915, 1450 and 1930.

Very interesting to see BA colours on S20.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11617 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7763 times:

I can't say I'm too surprised by this, I understand it has been under consideration for a while after it became clear that Aer Arann would be pulling out.

Quoting seansasLCY (Thread starter):
Now I can just hope for a NQY route!

I'm not sure it would work without a stop at (the now mothballed) PLH. A night-stopping D328 service might be in with a chance, certainly ASW showed the loads were excellent for such an operation, but most of the higher yielding traffic originated at PLH, which could be a problem.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
I wonder if LCY-JER will follow at some stage;

That again has been rumored for a while. I think it will be a logical step in the future.


Dan  



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User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

I know there is a lot competition with the West Coast mainline but I would love to see a BA LCY-MAN service added.

With the aquistion of BD maybe they will operate a couple of flights after they run the cull on the domestic flights


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19199 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7631 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 7):
I know there is a lot competition with the West Coast mainline but I would love to see a BA LCY-MAN service added.

Zero chance of LCY-MAN-LCY. And this unlikelihood is increasing every day - not just from the speed and frequency of train travel, but also the ease, pretty much hassle-free nature, and convenience they bring vis-a-vis flying on short sectors.

[Edited 2012-05-09 04:12:57]


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User currently offlineextspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
Quoting seansasLCY (Thread starter):
Now I can just hope for a NQY route!

I'm not sure it would work without a stop at (the now mothballed) PLH. A night-stopping D328 service might be in with a chance, certainly ASW showed the loads were excellent for such an operation, but most of the higher yielding traffic originated at PLH, which could be a problem.

How about making it LCY - EXT - NQY? I know that the train is very competitive to Exeter (only about 2 hours 15 minutes from Paddington) however it may bolster NQY passenger numbers to make the service viable.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11617 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

Quoting extspotter (Reply 9):
How about making it LCY - EXT - NQY? I know that the train is very competitive to Exeter (only about 2 hours 15 minutes from Paddington) however it may bolster NQY passenger numbers to make the service viable.

That would definitely not work, Exeter to Paddington by train is too quick and convenient, being as you say around the 2 hour mark. A direct summer NQY service would probably be in with a shot though, NQY are desperate for more services so would cut BACF a good deal.


Dan  



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19199 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
That would definitely not work

Absolutely.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
A direct summer NQY service would probably be in with a shot though

Possibly. I don't think it will materialise, though, but that's just a hunch.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Was having coffee with friends at LHR at the weekend and they mentioned that BACF were adding a S20 to the fleet. I just thought it to be rumour but as we have found out today it was a fact. The Saab's are good little aircraft especially when it comes to operating short commuter hops. I have a feeling we could be seeing more than one Saab in BA colours and possibly another 2 domestic destinations added.

Quoting seansasLCY (Thread starter):
Now I can just hope for a NQY route!

I don't think you will ever see a return to a direct NQY to LCY route. There is just not the year round market.
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
I wonder if LCY-JER will follow at some stage; I know Blue Islands flies it now with ATR42s (and an F50), but business travellers would probably prefer the jet.


I think JER is definatly one of the top 5 routes BA would look at opening from LCY. One option with the JER route would be to make it as part of a combined flight operating. A E90 could be used to operate to JER then on to GCI. With the aircraft operating a pattern like this:

1. GCI-JER-LCY-JER-GCI-JER-LCY-JER-LCY-JER-GCI

[Edited 2012-05-09 04:46:37]

User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7090 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7355 times:

The Saabs last saw LCY back in the days of pre air france cityJet


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19199 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7298 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 12):
The Saab's are good little aircraft especially when it comes to operating short commuter hops

And a fast machine!

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 13):
The Saabs last saw LCY back in the days of pre air france cityJet

Other former S20 operators at LCY include Darwin, Crossair, Swiss.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7047 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 13):
The Saabs last saw LCY back in the days of pre air france cityJet

Much more recently with Darwen on LCY-BRN.


User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Unlikely too many more at LCY as it is slot restricted and lack of aircraft. Nice to see IOM though.

User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6813 times:

I wonder what is next for BA out of LCY ?

Perhaps GVA (year round with greater frequencies), LIN, FCO, DUB, MUC, HAM ?


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 793 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 17):
I wonder what is next for BA out of LCY ?

BA have another E 190 coming later in the year and I heard a rumour that it will be used to start an FCO rotation.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11617 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 16):
Unlikely too many more at LCY as it is slot restricted and lack of aircraft.

That is a common misconception, LCY is not slot restricted and there is plenty of scope for growth within the current facilities.


Dan  



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6744 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
That is a common misconception, LCY is not slot restricted and there is plenty of scope for growth within the current facilities.

That's misleading, it is VERY restricted at the times that business needs to fly, between 0630-0930 and between 1730-1930. There is lots of off peak opportunities for sun routes but not so much for day return business travel.


User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6675 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 17):
Perhaps GVA (year round with greater frequencies), LIN, FCO, DUB, MUC, HAM ?

No chance of a LCY-DUB return (not in the near future anyway!) They only cut that route a few years ago.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11617 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6449 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 20):
That's misleading, it is VERY restricted at the times that business needs to fly, between 0630-0930 and between 1730-1930.

Making it no different from many other airports - peak time slots will always be harder to obtain, however this does not make an airport slot restricted in general so I would not class such a statement as misleading.


Dan  



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6266 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 22):
so I would not class such a statement as misleading.

It's restricted at the times when any new entrant needs to fly. Is that clear enough? The times when it is free are times when the based carriers offer routes to the South of France or Spain. There is little room in the times required to serve the market on the Wharf and the London business community which is the core business of the airport. The fact that almost nothing moves between noon and 2pm is a clue.


User currently offlineGolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6253 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
That would definitely not work, Exeter to Paddington by train is too quick and convenient

When did that happen? 15 years ago my in-laws lived in Cornwall, I would only half heartily joke that NYC-LON flight was faster than getting to their place (a 90 minute drive from Exeter) from the airport. It would have been sweet to do JFK-LCY-EXT.


25 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I can see what you are saying, I simply don't agree with it. Both that an airport is considered slot restricted in general just because it's busy in
26 Post contains links VV701 : According to the slot coordinator, Airport Coordination Ltd, neither slot demand nor slot allocation is at capacity at LCY at any time of the day. In
27 adg737800 : A shrewd move - connecting the finance industries of the City and IOM - and I bet there's plenty of Exec Club members on the IOM who would switch from
28 skipness1E : Hmmm odd given the evening rush kicks off just before six, it's pretty quiet between 5 and 5:45, though between 0730 and 0900, many arrivals find the
29 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Exactly. Stand capacity is far more of an issue than slot capacity. Dan
30 skipness1E : Maybe I am being thick, but surely slot capacity is constrianed by parking availability? There's no remote parking at LCY, (stands 12-14 are not used
31 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Potentially, it depends on the turnaround times as to whether available runway capacity (in regular operation) can exceed available stand capacity. T
32 ZuluTime : Slot capacity at LCY is indeed constrained by parking, but the coordinator will not grant slots for any operation which has a turnround of more than 3
33 GT4EZY : I think what he means is ATC slots....... I imagine, whilst parking is obviously restricted at peak times, it doesn't have much to do with slots AFAIK
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