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Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10303 times:

Hawaiian Airlines announced today it will begin service from Honolulu to Chitose, Japan on November 1, 2012 serving it's newest Japanese city 3 times per week. Chitose is the gateway to the city of Sapporo on the northern most island of Hokkaido.
The route will be flown with a Boeing 767-300 aircraft. The flight will depart CTS on Wednesday's, Friday's, and Sunday's at 9:00pm and arrive in HNL at 9:00am the same day.
This will be HA's 4th Japanese destination following service to HND, KIX, and FUK.
I cannot find a link to the announcement yet in English as this new service was just announced today in Japan.
The link from the Daily Yomiuri News in Japan (In Japanese) can be found here:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/e-japan/hokkaido/news/20120509-OYT8T00663.htm

Aloha,
HALFA


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10104 times:

Once again, hats off to HA, and their expansion into the Pacific rim. I am always pleased to see HA going further. I hope to see HA adding more Pacific destinations as time goes by. Very impressive expansion lately. Hope to see AKL soon.   


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9559 times:

Here is the US press release.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hawaii...apporo-fourth-japan-120000782.html

Sapporo is a bold move. CTS is a smaller market (Sapporo population mere1.9 million) but due to it being on its own island of Hokkaido cannot generate connection (via rail for instance) demand from broader Japanese mainland cities that the other gateways do. Thus historically CTS-Hawaii service has been more checkered. Its good they are only launching with 3x weekly service as a result.
Hopefully HA enters the market in a partnership with local tour companies to provide a decent traffic base to work off.

Schedule is:
Tu/Th/Sa
HA441 HNL-CTS 1445-1900
We/Fr/Su
HA442 CTS-HNL 2100-0915



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9481 times:

How is HA doing on its Japanese flights? Is Hawaiian filling the planes and what about yield? (I don't suppose HA publishes that sort of info)

User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9224 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 3):
How is HA doing on its Japanese flights? Is Hawaiian filling the planes and what about yield? (I don't suppose HA publishes that sort of info)

Considering HA didn't even serve Japan until a few years ago and with this announcement will now serve four destinations in Japan, I'd say they're doing REALLY well. Japan point of sale leisure routes don't have to be full because the yield tends to be huge, especially to the US given the current exchange rate differences.

CTS will do very well seasonally for HA since it gets so cold in Hokkaido in the winter. This is the first truly seasonal Japanese leisure route that HA is trying, so it'll be interesting to see how long it takes HA to figure this out. Would not be surprised to see NGO next.



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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9107 times:

Congratulations to Hawaiian Airlines! This will benefit tourism and economy in Hawaii!

HA is really taking it to JL and NH! JL only offers seasonal charters to CTS.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 5):
HA is really taking it to JL and NH!

I thought that HA was in a code share agreement with NH? I agree that they are really taking on JL.

Congrats to HA....and the Islands of Hawai'i with the added revenue.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Schedule is:
Tu/Th/Sa
HA441 HNL-CTS 1445-1900
We/Fr/Su
HA442 CTS-HNL 2100-0915

So the eqp spends 26 hours on the ground?



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User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8511 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):

Time advances to next day due to International Date Line. A/C on the ground 2 hours.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Sapporo is a bold move. CTS is a smaller market (Sapporo population mere 1.9 million) but due to it being on its own island of Hokkaido cannot generate connection (via rail for instance) demand from broader Japanese mainland cities that the other gateways do.

HND-CTS has long been the world's busiest air route in number of passengers.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8358 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
HND-CTS has long been the world's busiest air route in number of passengers.

Yes because its an island and people need to get back to the capital Tokyo.

However it produced rather meager market for international demand. As mentioned above even JAL has not consistently been able to link Sapporo with Hawaii over the years.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Hopefully HA enters the market in a partnership with local tour companies to provide a decent traffic base to work off.

I'd imagine HA works pretty closely with JTB already, shouldn't be hard to bring CTS into the fold.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

I think can probably pull this off, the Yen is crazy expensive compared to the dollar, so HA can probably charge the right amount to get pax yet still make money from the favorable conversion. Suprising how AA, UA, PMNW and PMCO missed the chance on getting into this market, I suppose DL is the only legacy that is trying HA to Japan.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
Once again, hats off to HA, and their expansion into the Pacific rim.

Wow, so most likely am going to fly this route next year for the snow festival! Thank you HA 



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2980 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

HA is really filling the void left when JAL (Jalways) axed all these non-Tokyo, Osaka, & Nagoya flights. Even the existing flights were seriously downgauged from 747s to 763s.
The only other major city left is Sendai which was served daily, at its peak, with JL DC-10s. Not to mention Nagoya too.
The Sapporo route was run daily with DC-10s at its peak.

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 5):
HA is really taking it to JL and NH! JL only offers seasonal charters to CTS.

NH wouldn't even dare to start a heavy leisure route outside of Tokyo, so its not as if HA is taking traffic away from NH.
As I have mentioned, JL has dramatically downsized its Hawaiian operations, so HA is really competing for traffic that would otherwise go to an Asian beach resort destination like Bali.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

I really thought that HNL-NGO would have been the next city served in Japan

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6807 times:

The HA flight would eliminate people in Hokkaido having to fly down to NRT or HND to get to HNL.

NGO may be the next Japanese destination for HA, but UA and JL are there ...

The only other destination I could think of would be HIJ, which JL serves HNL on seasonal charters.

Many pax from the 1st HA FUK flight were JTB customers ...



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6722 times:
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Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 16):
NGO may be the next Japanese destination for HA, but UA and JL are there ...

It's DL, not UA.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

WOW! I don't think many of us saw this coming. Here is an airline I flew about 10 years ago that merely offered interisland, service to a handful of West Coast gateways, and a pair of niche South Pacific routes. Now they are constantly pushing into new realms like the East Coast, Australia, Southeast Asia, and secondary Japanese markets! I can't wait to see what could be next!

I'm surprised to see them adding another Japanese market. I might have expected BNE/MEL, filling the void left by Air Australia, or stuff like SIN, HKG, AKL, GUM, NGO, TPE, PVG, or PEK. For a non-Asian airline to successfully penetrate the finicky Japanese market so quickly is remarkable, and dare I say, unprecedented? I realize you have UA and DL, but they heavily rely on North Americans and other Asian nationals. These HA flights are probably >90% Japanese! Moreover, even though the yen is very strong right now, the Japanese economy still isn't doing all that well.



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User currently offlinechris7217 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2002, 169 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6310 times:
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I'm very impressed and pleased to see HA is expanding its Pacific network to its 4th destination in Japan.

What other destinations in Asia Pacific could possibly follow next? I'd be thinking of AKL and TPE.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 14):
JL has dramatically downsized its Hawaiian operations

I can remember in the early to mid 90's, seeing JL aircraft (mostly 742's) wrapped around the Ewa concourse arriving one after another early to mid morning, quite a sight to see and an impressive operation.



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6106 times:
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
For a non-Asian airline to successfully penetrate the finicky Japanese market so quickly is remarkable, and dare I say, unprecedented? I realize you have UA and DL, but they heavily rely on North Americans and other Asian nationals. These HA flights are probably >90% Japanese!

The same goes for UA and DL for their flights between Japan and Hawaii. That is just the nature of the market.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6107 times:

Good on HA I say!

AKL has been mooted i've heard, no idea where they are at with it. NZ are increasing HNL.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6031 times:
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 22):

I believe with PER going B772 that means HNL remains B763 as the B772 was originally planned, but is the spare B763 going HNL?


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
I believe with PER going B772 that means HNL remains B763 as the B772 was originally planned, but is the spare B763 going HNL?

HNL is a 772 June through August that was what was announced. PER changes in SEP but HNL is sposed to go 4 weekly 763s over next summer though it may only be 3 which is up from 2 last summer.


25 eta unknown : My bet is Nagoya next too- or they'll bite the bullet and do Narita if they can't get the more coveted Haneda slots.
26 RayChuang : I don't think HA will fly to NGO because besides the direct competition from other airlines, the city of Nagoya--being a mandatory stop for all Shinka
27 EWRCabincrew : No, the plane spends 2 hours on the ground.
28 bobnwa : I am fairly confident That HA with their acces to travel patterns numbers will be able to discover anything an A Net member can discover in short ord
29 Ben175 : My ultimate dream would be for HA to announce PER. As far fetched as it sounds, I really think that there is a niche Perth-Hawaii and Perth-USA market
30 777ER : I'm sure there are many West Australian residents who would be more then happy to fly HA direct to HNL and onto mainland USA for PER if it means avoi
31 Tomassjc : Nice 3 night layover for the crew that arrives CTS Sunday night! Or do you think they will reposition to another HA Japanese gateway to work back to
32 ATTart : We (UA), do fly to NGO from GUM.. UA92 Depart: 7:40 a.m. Sat., May. 19, 2012 Guam (GUM) Arrive: 10:30 a.m. Sat., May. 19, 2012 Nagoya, Japan (NGO) an
33 ha763 : But not from Hawaii, which is what is being talked about in this thread.
34 Post contains images ATTart : Yes, I know from Hawaii, and one can get to NGO from Hawaii on United. HNL-GUM-NGO [Edited 2012-05-11 22:40:55] Also this thread is about HA new flig
35 HAL : The crews will stay in Sapporo for the layovers. It's just like we did with the SYD service, which was 3x per week for several years, with either a 4
36 jetlanta : There aren't many Americans of non-Japanese descent flying Delta from HNL to Japan. Trust me. The tour operators drive these markets. Both DL and HA
37 Post contains images KLAXAirport : I love how HA is expanding! I hope some new Mainland U.S. destinations are coming! Cheers, KLAXAirport
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