HALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1339 posts, RR: 15 Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9905 times:
Hawaiian Airlines announced today it will begin service from Honolulu to Chitose, Japan on November 1, 2012 serving it's newest Japanese city 3 times per week. Chitose is the gateway to the city of Sapporo on the northern most island of Hokkaido.
The route will be flown with a Boeing 767-300 aircraft. The flight will depart CTS on Wednesday's, Friday's, and Sunday's at 9:00pm and arrive in HNL at 9:00am the same day.
This will be HA's 4th Japanese destination following service to HND, KIX, and FUK.
I cannot find a link to the announcement yet in English as this new service was just announced today in Japan.
The link from the Daily Yomiuri News in Japan (In Japanese) can be found here:
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2876 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9706 times:
Once again, hats off to HA, and their expansion into the Pacific rim. I am always pleased to see HA going further. I hope to see HA adding more Pacific destinations as time goes by. Very impressive expansion lately. Hope to see AKL soon.
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Sapporo is a bold move. CTS is a smaller market (Sapporo population mere1.9 million) but due to it being on its own island of Hokkaido cannot generate connection (via rail for instance) demand from broader Japanese mainland cities that the other gateways do. Thus historically CTS-Hawaii service has been more checkered. Its good they are only launching with 3x weekly service as a result.
Hopefully HA enters the market in a partnership with local tour companies to provide a decent traffic base to work off.
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Tdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 394 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8826 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 3): How is HA doing on its Japanese flights? Is Hawaiian filling the planes and what about yield? (I don't suppose HA publishes that sort of info)
Considering HA didn't even serve Japan until a few years ago and with this announcement will now serve four destinations in Japan, I'd say they're doing REALLY well. Japan point of sale leisure routes don't have to be full because the yield tends to be huge, especially to the US given the current exchange rate differences.
CTS will do very well seasonally for HA since it gets so cold in Hokkaido in the winter. This is the first truly seasonal Japanese leisure route that HA is trying, so it'll be interesting to see how long it takes HA to figure this out. Would not be surprised to see NGO next.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8029 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2): Sapporo is a bold move. CTS is a smaller market (Sapporo population mere 1.9 million) but due to it being on its own island of Hokkaido cannot generate connection (via rail for instance) demand from broader Japanese mainland cities that the other gateways do.
HND-CTS has long been the world's busiest air route in number of passengers.
ordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7409 times:
I think can probably pull this off, the Yen is crazy expensive compared to the dollar, so HA can probably charge the right amount to get pax yet still make money from the favorable conversion. Suprising how AA, UA, PMNW and PMCO missed the chance on getting into this market, I suppose DL is the only legacy that is trying HA to Japan.
carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7201 times:
HA is really filling the void left when JAL (Jalways) axed all these non-Tokyo, Osaka, & Nagoya flights. Even the existing flights were seriously downgauged from 747s to 763s.
The only other major city left is Sendai which was served daily, at its peak, with JL DC-10s. Not to mention Nagoya too.
The Sapporo route was run daily with DC-10s at its peak.
Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 5): HA is really taking it to JL and NH! JL only offers seasonal charters to CTS.
NH wouldn't even dare to start a heavy leisure route outside of Tokyo, so its not as if HA is taking traffic away from NH.
As I have mentioned, JL has dramatically downsized its Hawaiian operations, so HA is really competing for traffic that would otherwise go to an Asian beach resort destination like Bali.
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6131 times:
WOW! I don't think many of us saw this coming. Here is an airline I flew about 10 years ago that merely offered interisland, service to a handful of West Coast gateways, and a pair of niche South Pacific routes. Now they are constantly pushing into new realms like the East Coast, Australia, Southeast Asia, and secondary Japanese markets! I can't wait to see what could be next!
I'm surprised to see them adding another Japanese market. I might have expected BNE/MEL, filling the void left by Air Australia, or stuff like SIN, HKG, AKL, GUM, NGO, TPE, PVG, or PEK. For a non-Asian airline to successfully penetrate the finicky Japanese market so quickly is remarkable, and dare I say, unprecedented? I realize you have UA and DL, but they heavily rely on North Americans and other Asian nationals. These HA flights are probably >90% Japanese! Moreover, even though the yen is very strong right now, the Japanese economy still isn't doing all that well.
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
I can remember in the early to mid 90's, seeing JL aircraft (mostly 742's) wrapped around the Ewa concourse arriving one after another early to mid morning, quite a sight to see and an impressive operation.
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ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3596 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5708 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18): For a non-Asian airline to successfully penetrate the finicky Japanese market so quickly is remarkable, and dare I say, unprecedented? I realize you have UA and DL, but they heavily rely on North Americans and other Asian nationals. These HA flights are probably >90% Japanese!
The same goes for UA and DL for their flights between Japan and Hawaii. That is just the nature of the market.