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AA Announces New Long-haul Product  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32581 posts, RR: 72
Posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 28057 times:

American Airlines today finally confirmed its new long-haul product. The new coach and business class products previously confirmed for the 777-300ER fleet will also roll out on to the 777-200ER fleet starting next year. The 772s will no longer have a First Class cabin as part of the retrofit.

Roughly half the 767-300ER fleet will also get a new J product; as the other half will be retired as 787s are delivered. The seat has not been officially announced yet, but as the 777 seat can't fit properly in the 763, it is assured it will not be that.

Details were otherwise pretty scarce, though I am told there will be two 772 configurations, a low-density with more J seats for more premium markets and a high-density with more Y seats for vacation markets.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...ernational-widebody-155200548.html

And while this is also not confirmed, I had earlier heard the removal of 772's F cabin is a strong indication that the 789 fleet will indeed be getting an F cabin.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 28039 times:

Mostly very smart movies, and not unexpected - sad to see the 777s losing F, but it makes sense given new realities. Interesting that they are only going to upgrade about half the 767 fleet - but again makes sense with 787s likely arriving soon. Unfortunate they still aren't going to put in-seat AVOD on the 767s - such a cheap way to go.

AA should have done this five years ago, but with this move, AA's longhaul premium offerings will now be generally quite competitive among U.S. carriers (at least from what I have seen/experienced).



[Edited 2012-05-09 10:05:58]

User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 28016 times:

Good news all around- hopefully we'll see the 772 in some markets currently flown with the 763, like DFW-CDG/MAD/FRA, MIA-MAD, JFK-CDG. This was a no-brainer- so few actually pay for F, it makes sense to offer an improved B/C. F/C was basically a combination of upgrades for a lucky few and an employee cafeteria at 37,000 feet.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27889 times:

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 2):
Good news all around- hopefully we'll see the 772 in some markets currently flown with the 763, like DFW-CDG/MAD/FRA, MIA-MAD, JFK-CDG. This was a no-brainer- so few actually pay for F, it makes sense to offer an improved B/C. F/C was basically a combination of upgrades for a lucky few and an employee cafeteria at 37,000 feet.

   Completely agree on all counts.

I suspect once the 777-300ERs, and then 787s, start to arrive, that is going to create a domino/chain reaction for reshuffling the rest of the longhaul fleet, with 777s starting to show up in plenty more high-density longhaul markets where the F cabin was simply too much. I definitely think CDG, MAD, possibly FRA, and possibly even FCO could all be candidates for a J/Y 777.

And yes - while it is sad to see F go on the 777s, it does make sense given the economic realities of the day, and besides, at least from the renderings, the new J looks almost as nice as the Flagship Suite anyway.


User currently offlineerj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6748 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27882 times:

I hope RDU-LHR goes 787....


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32581 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27788 times:

The rumored high-density 772 is perfect for markets like Italy, Spain and Rio de Janeiro, and even some medium-haul markets like Lima and Bogota. AA has needed this type of high-density plane for a while. It could also open up new doors for flying, especially in Miami-Europe.


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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 885 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27553 times:
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The video uploaded by AA on this subject is interesting.

They refer to the 77W on order as "the NEW 777-300."

I find the "we're the only airline to offer personal Samsung Galaxy Tabs" bit to be annoying, as well. That might wow most of the general public, but it really just shows that they're too cheap to invest in a "true" in-seat IFE system.



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27564 times:

Here is the official press release: http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3507

B767-300ER: 28J, 14Y+, 167Y (total = 209)
B777-200ER: up to 45J, up to 45Y+ and up to 170Y.

It says that all the seats in the 772 will be new, but nothing about the Y seats in the 763.


User currently offlineAtlflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27443 times:

"The redesign is slated to begin in early 2014.  American is currently working to determine the installation timeline and will have more details on anticipated completion dates in the future."

2014? That seems a long time to wait...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32581 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 27320 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 6):
I find the "we're the only airline to offer personal Samsung Galaxy Tabs" bit to be annoying, as well. That might wow most of the general public, but it really just shows that they're too cheap to invest in a "true" in-seat IFE system.

If the tab has a "slot" of sorts that integrates it into the seat, then I don't have a problem with it because that's the best of both worlds right there. Otherwise, agreed.



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6201 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 27220 times:

BK protection int this country is very interesting, on one hand we employees of airlines cost too much money and we are driving a company to the ground but on the other hand the company releases a statement saying they are spending billions on XYZ.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 27213 times:

My guess is that the 767 flat-bed seats will be the Thompson Vantage, considering all seats will have direct aisle access.

As for the 777 flat-bed seats, I know they will be the Cirrus model, but does anyone know if they will be the Sicma version (as on CX and US) or the Weber version (as on DL)? I think it would make sense to go with the Weber version since Sicma mostly caters to customers outside the United States, plus the Y seats will be Weber 5751s. When US ordered their Cirrus seats, the Weber version wasn't available yet.



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 27207 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 6):
I find the "we're the only airline to offer personal Samsung Galaxy Tabs" bit to be annoying, as well. That might wow most of the general public, but it really just shows that they're too cheap to invest in a "true" in-seat IFE system.

I disagree. Tablets are the future. More personalized. Less weight. Quick to implement. Wired infrastructure for entertainment is on the way out. WiFi and personal entertainment devices are in.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 27109 times:

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 12):
I disagree. Tablets are the future. More personalized. Less weight. Quick to implement. Wired infrastructure for entertainment is on the way out. WiFi and personal entertainment devices are in.

And I would disagree with you; many people don't want the hassle of unpacking and having their tablet or laptop taking up space. Plus, the battery life isn't the same for all tablets/laptops. Only about 1 out of 10 people in the United States own tablet computers, and unless airlines give huge incentives for everyone to buy tablets, I don't see in-seat IFE systems going away.



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User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2175 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 27022 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Details were otherwise pretty scarce, though I am told there will be two 772 configurations, a low-density with more J seats for more premium markets and a high-density with more Y seats for vacation markets.

I'm told only one 772 configuration. The up to 45 J seats is because the seat plan still has to be finalized and the exact number will be around that figure.

763 will be as announced.

787s will be in a 3 class configuration.

[Edited 2012-05-09 11:08:34]

User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2175 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 26986 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 10):
BK protection int this country is very interesting, on one hand we employees of airlines cost too much money and we are driving a company to the ground but on the other hand the company releases a statement saying they are spending billions on XYZ.

A good product drives revenue, especially in premium cabins. AA cannot afford to have a product that is vastly sub-par to its joint-venture and oneworld partners. The plus side is, AA will once again be infront of its peers product wise on its widebody fleet. It is quite refreshing to see AA give importance to this again, as it had been swept aside for the past few years.

Obviously, if this didn't hold true, you would see airlines installing wooden benches throughout their fleets.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2153 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 26986 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 13):
And I would disagree with you; many people don't want the hassle of unpacking and having their tablet or laptop taking up space. Plus, the battery life isn't the same for all tablets/laptops. Only about 1 out of 10 people in the United States own tablet computers, and unless airlines give huge incentives for everyone to buy tablets, I don't see in-seat IFE systems going away.

One thing a tablet can't replace: the functionality of the moving map systems 



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 26985 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
The rumored high-density 772 is perfect for markets like Italy, Spain and Rio de Janeiro

Let's see is AA finAAly uses the 772 on the MIA-GIG routing.



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User currently onlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 26781 times:

Pardon my ignorance but was there a firming up of the 787's that I apparently missed?? Did they go with -8's or -9's??

User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1570 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 26742 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 16):
One thing a tablet can't replace: the functionality of the moving map systems 

Why not? If the airlines are putting WiFi systems on the plane, that could probably be very easily incorporated as a featured "channel" or something.


User currently offlineBDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 26648 times:

I was just reading an article on this! Overall it sounds like a good idea to refresh the cabins and remove some FC for routes that don't demand an FC product. Business class these days is very close to first anyway! I also think the 3-3-3 configuration on the 777s in economy is better. I have a family member who is an AA F/A and I hope this is a sign of more prosperous and stable times at AA for her and all the other employees.

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 26647 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 15):
The plus side is, AA will once again be infront of its peers product wise on its widebody fleet.

Exactly which part of the new J would be "in front of peers" ? Even US's Envoy on 330s got flatbed before AA. Both DL and UA are more than 50% (my guess is closer to 75%) completed with their flat-bed conversion, while AA is still waiting for the first one to roll off.

DL has both outward and reverse herringbone in their fleet IIRC, so 1-2-1 every-seat-aisle-access is not AA unique either.


User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 26517 times:

Is there confirmation of the Y-class configuration on the 777's? Is it 9-abreast -- 3-3-3 or 2-5-2 -- or 10-abreast ?

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 26422 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 22):

Is there confirmation of the Y-class configuration on the 777's? Is it 9-abreast -- 3-3-3 or 2-5-2 -- or 10-abreast ?

The official pictures on facebook look like a very good chance of 3-4-3, but certain posters here insist there's still a shred of hope as long as the plane hasn't left PAE.

Confirmation? None officially. 9-abreast? Definitely not holding my breath.


User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 26334 times:

This is a smart move for the 777. The seating product will be very similar to the seats used by USAir in their A330 which will help create some product continuity once they take over (I mean 'if' they take over).

I'm guessing they will be using a seat similar to Delta's for the 767. It's too bad they're following their old bad habits and going on the cheap with tablets instead of real IFE (especially in business).


25 greggariouspdx : I'm sad to see the Flagship Suites go away on the 772. I just flew one from JFK-EZE and loved the privacy and direct aisle access. I hope they use the
26 LDVAviation : A BMW is not similar to a Chevy... AA opted for the BMW version of the Cirrus Seat.
27 TVNWZ : The tablets will be handed out by the airlines. A basic inexpensive tablet loaded with movies, games and other apps would be a lot more effecient tha
28 aacun : Well, if we add the number of seats they are saying it could go up to in MC, I would think it will be 10 across. Its going from 194 in coach to up to
29 qqflyboy : But remember no first class, so a fair amount of those business class seats will be between 1 L/R and 2 L/R, allowing more room for additional Y+/Y s
30 tonytifao : Also... "Plus, our entire fleet of 777-200ERs and 777-300ERs will have inflight Wi-Fi so you can stay connected on your international trip"
31 MAH4546 : You are forgetting the deletion of F. That is a monster space eater for only 16 seats. It can easily fit five, maybe six, rows of J, so that's at lea
32 ual777uk : Yeah, I would like to know the answer o that one as well. I assume the 77W will completely replace the 772 on the JFK - LHR route?
33 Post contains images DAL763ER : They could add a donation box at each door so people who enjoyed their flights can help them get out of bankruptcy faster
34 777ord : LOL. So true. It was mostly the only way to ever get back to base after a long international trip! I found it most bizarre that one could literally c
35 BoeingGuy : Kind of like the donation box that NK is adding to show your thanks for being allowed to bring your carry-on luggage on board.
36 brons2 : I think the tablets present a lot of problems of their own. How are they going to make sure that the tablets don't depart the plane? How will they cha
37 BMI727 : That's almost certain. And AA probably does need such a plane for some leisure heavy European routes as well as some of the South American and Caribb
38 Post contains images PRAirbus : Long overdue!!!! Something VERY positive from AA!!! BrAAvo!!!!
39 MAH4546 : These are not new problems. AA has been handing out some form of IFE since the mid-1990s, when they used some sort of ancient tape system. Then it sw
40 1337Delta764 : But this is just for the Business cabin. The problem would increase greatly if you expand it to include enough units for every seat on the aircraft.
41 TVNWZ : Delta is doing the sasme thing for the remodeled 747 flights to Asia. IIRC.
42 Carfield : I am sad to see the lost of Flagship suites on the 772 but at the same time, AA is replacing these awful sliding business class seats with a very good
43 1337Delta764 : No, DL's remodeled 747s have built-in AVOD in both J and Y.
44 Post contains images Concordski : All I can say from this announcement is that I'm going to be using my United card a lot more as well as flying them more too. I fly AA (as an elite to
45 IrishAyes : What will be the configs for the 787 and 77W?
46 MAH4546 : Far too early to tell on the 787, but it is expected to get an F cabin. The 77W is rumored to be 8F/50J/30Y+/220Y, but that assumes AA goes with 10-a
47 ghifty : Yes, a slot would be nice. I agree they're more personalized. At home anyways. I don't see the need for personalisation in flight. "Look, I can chang
48 BMI727 : You've got to be kidding. You're on a plane with wi-fi and you have your tablet or computer, your work, your movies, your music, your games, etc. It'
49 MIASkies : So are MIA-LHR/GRU/EZE going 773 or 789?
50 Byrdluvs747 : Can anyone speak to whether AA will finally add the external camera views as part of the IFE like EK and others?
51 Atlflyer : Looks like 9-abreast to me in Y... 45 seats is 5 rows of 9 In Y+ and it's not likely they'd have 10 across in the entire Y cabin so it doesn't matter
52 alitalia744 : Welcome to 2012 AA! Now fix your employee problems, your brand issues, and maybe the AAttitude and you'll be ok.
53 aacun : I didnt forget about FC. I work the airplane every week. But BC is going from 7 across to 4 across, so lets say You can probably fit 24-28 seats in t
54 IndustryInsider : I used one of these tablets down from DFW to SCL a few weeks ago. I like them a whole hell of a lot better than the previous Fijitsu laptops which we
55 sxf24 : Stop saying no decision has been made. Lead time for seats is at least 12 months, and since the first delivery is later this year, the seats have bee
56 jporterfi : Given the nature of the route (long and thin), I wouldn't be surprised if this happens, particularly during periods of lower demand (e.g. non-summer)
57 chopchop767 : The seat has a charger out-let, so battery life isn't an issue. Couldn't agree more with the implementation of the tablets as Industry states: Airlin
58 AAplat4life : I would think that Tokyo and London routes would need F, and that is a pretty good chunk of the AA 772ER fleet right there. I thought that AA recently
59 commavia : I suspect you'll see F on a few LHR flights, but most will just move to the expanded, upgraded J product. If there is still latent F demand in partic
60 LY777 : So, the 763s will keep the same awful Y class?! BTW, once the 787s are delivered, do you believe AA will use them on the MIA-CDG route?
61 mogandoCI : MIA-GRU doesn't deserve F ? ORD-LHR/NRT deserves F but not LAX-LHR/NRT ?
62 Post contains links chopchop767 : The NYT had an interesting, albeit a little dated, glimpse of the revenue generated by First and Business Class cabins: http://www.nytimes.com/intera
63 laca773 : Commavia, Missing from your list is: LAX-NRT LAX-LHR. I think both of these routes could easily be flown with 77W, though perhaps you're thinking the
64 mogandoCI : Can't speak for AF or SQ, but I know someone who's top tier at BA (the tier that qualifies Concorde Room), and they frequently hand him free upgrade
65 commavia : They aren't "missing" from my predictions - I intentionally omitted them. I may well be wrong, but by my estimation, if AA does - indeed - intend to
66 ckfred : First question is what is AA's plans for service to LHR? The vast majority of flights are with 3-class 772s. BA has 3-classes on its U.S-LHR flights (
67 blink182 : I realize that this has been answered a bit, especially by Commavia, but my best guess is that AA feels their new C product will be sufficient to cov
68 commavia : Yep. AA feels they can capture most of the paid premium traffic in their upgraded J, with any lingering F demand to Europe/Asia being put onto BA's o
69 usxguy : Y+ will be 9 across and Y will be 10 - AA will then use this as a selling point to state "more legroom, more width" as a way to jab at United. But wha
70 Viscount724 : I think it would be a mistake to be the first 777 operator in North America with 10-abreast. Would encourage passengers to switch to the competition
71 commavia : I share the dread at 10-abreast Y, as it seems that is the way AA is likely going. But, if AA "gets away" with it and doesn't face a massive market b
72 mogandoCI : That only leaves GRU/EZE and MAD. Every other route has BA, JL, and CX, which all have superior F.
73 MAH4546 : I think it's unfortunate, but it's the direction we are headed in. It hasn't hurt Air France, Emirates, etc. and it won't hurt American. It won't be
74 Viscount724 : Not sure it hasn't hurt AF. Their 10-abreast 777s could be a factor for their very poor recent financial performance. Although load factors are high
75 blink182 : I can't speak for GRU/EZE, but looking at IB, their widebodies are Y-heavy with smaller C sections up front that may indicate MAD doesn't need a F ca
76 klkla : AA is saying up to 45 Y+ seats. 9 (abreast) x 5 (rows) equals 45. Doesn't that seem to imply they will stay with 2-5-2 (or 3-3-3) ?
77 Byrdluvs747 : Ok if I'm to dream big, I will predict a 748i order.
78 boilerla : I think that depends on what United and Delta are operating in 10 years since UA isn't going to reconfigure their 772s before they retire them. UA se
79 Post contains links and images whappeh : http://www.cntraveler.com/daily-trav...s-class-first-class-photos#slide=1 Just pointing out that (and the comments in the article also point out) that
80 rdh3e : For Y+. But that doesn't mean they won't go 10 across in straight cattle class.
81 Post contains links mogandoCI : Multiple blog/posts at Flyertalk, BoardingArea.com and Twitter has confirmed 3-4-3, apparently from AA directly : http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewf
82 UAL727NE : So I just read on thier Facebook that it is 3-4-3 and the 77E will follow suit. So yes it is going to be alil cramped in there. Source is a comment AA
83 qqflyboy : Just read the same. While not surprising, it is disappointing.
84 AKLDELNonstop : While it is certainly less comfortable than a 3-3-3 config., it makes sense to do it from an economical perspective. At today's fuel prices, any addi
85 Longhornmaniac : As already mentioned, comparing the US Cirrus seat (Chevy), to the AA Cirrus seat (BMW), is disingenuous. What I do wonder, since they are the same b
86 laca773 : I had a feeling you were thinking along these lines and this makes good sense, Commavia. Honestly, I don't see this 10 abreast going as well for AA o
87 Atlflyer : Once the word gets out I'm sure Delta and UA will advertise that their 777s have one less seat per row than AA's. And both Delta and UA have new Econo
88 TVNWZ : Yes, until DL and UA can cram in another seat. If AA can make it work, the others will be right behind. Nobody wants to leave $$ on the table.
89 klkla : Why? It's the same seat!
90 vegas005 : Not starting till 2014...yawn. Wake me when they have a real product installed.
91 whappeh : Yeah, isn't US's seat the same seat used by CX as well?
92 1337Delta764 : Yep, as well as the new flat-bed seats on DL's 744s and soon on the A330s (although DL's are made by Weber instead of Sicma).
93 AAIL86 : Toyota also manufactures Lexus, does that mean they are the same? From all accounts this a is premium version of that seat.
94 klkla : Premium in what way? They're all basically the same seat. Also, what accounts? The opinion of AA fanboys? A better analogy 'might' be between Corolla
95 ZaphodB : In the case of the Lexus ES, basically yes. Its a Camry V6 with some naff looking plastic wood trim and has worse ride and road noise than the Camry
96 Post contains images AAIL86 : Well I guess we'll just have to see if the extra money AA paid for the "premium" version was a worthwhile investment, won't we?
97 777STL : I'm a big fan of AA, but if I'm flying economy across the pond - I'm either flying UA or BA now. At least with UA, I can upgrade to their Y+ for a no
98 LDVAviation : The basic platform is the same, but beyond that the differences are remarkable. The Cathay seat has more actuators, one that allows the seat to track
99 1337Delta764 : Will the seats be made by Sicma (who made them for CX and US) or will they be made by Weber (who made them for DL)?
100 Post contains links LDVAviation : No, not AA fanboys. The very design firm that worked with both Cathay and US thinks that the Cathay seat is better (more premium). Go to www.jpadesig
101 MAH4546 : AA isn't stupid enough to pass up this revenue opportunity. It will entirely be possible to upgrade from any fare, likely in line with what DL and UA
102 Post contains links AAIL86 : AA has already announced that any ticketed customer will be able purchase their Y+ for a nominal surcharge. Stated price is $8-$108 per segment. http
103 Byrdluvs747 : I'm wondering what route will the 77W fly that warrants only a $8 fee? The famous ORD-DFW transitional runs?
104 mogandoCI : I'm thinking it's tiered by both flight distance and booking fare class, so $8 would only apply for contiguous 48 repositioning flights flying on the
105 MAH4546 : MCE is being introduced on every mainline aircraft, including the 738s, A319s, etc.
106 Byrdluvs747 : I'm just wondering if AA FA's will vigorously enforce the Y+ seating, as I can see people trying to seat-squat in MCE.
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