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AA To Reduce Flying Due To Lack Of Crew  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18704 times:

AMR starting this weekend will begin to load reductions in summer flying - not because it wants to, but because it has to. Too many FA's are calling in sick, many likely in an attempt to sabotage the airline they hate to work for, and AA will not have enough flight attendants to operate its planned schedules. The reductions will largely be day-of-week and frequency reductions on high frequency routes and should start loading this weekend.

I have also heard there continues to be pilot shortages - but AA only has itself to blame for that, for not hiring enough pilots over the past few months. The shortages are nothing new, and I can't believe AA hasn't well prepared itself for it yet again.


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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2568 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18632 times:

Don't blame the FA's actions for this reduction. Airlines don't plan & load schedules because of 'sickouts'. They plan their schedules based on where they want to fly, and the number of flight crew employed. If the airline is not cancelling flights because they don't make money on them, then it is because they haven't hired enough people to staff the flights. Blaming work actions by the employees is not truthful.

HAL



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18418 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AMR starting this weekend will begin to load reductions in summer flying - not because it wants to, but because it has to. Too many FA's are calling in sick, many likely in an attempt to sabotage the airline they hate to work for, and AA will not have enough flight attendants to operate its planned schedules.

There have been a lot of people calling in sick in all departments.

I do not think the sick calls are an attempt to sabotage the airline, but rather because AA plans to make changes to the sick and attendance policy reducing the amount of sick pay you earn the longer you are out. It is not finalized but it will go something like the first three days 100% of sick pay and then the percentage of pay will go down the longer you are out sick.

Employees with large sick banks have been "getting sick" so they can use up their sick bank at 100% pay. If AA wanted to stop this all they would have to do is rethink this change and announce that they will not implement it.

A lot of people also "get sick" just before they retire because AA gives very little for unused sick time. If they paid more out for it or offered other incentives not to use it at the end of a person's career they would probably reduce absenteeism even more.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18393 times:

Actually, we love our airline. We just hate our management, who won't be there for very much longer.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18291 times:

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 3):
We just hate our management, who won't be there for very much longer.

Who knows? Youre batting 50% on the rumors youve floated on anet so far. Could go either way.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18286 times:

This from the airline that wants to layoff 2,300 flight attendants and 400 pilots. Which is it AMR? Do you have too many, or not enough? As for the sick calls, management was naive to think employees with large sick banks would sit back and let them go to waste.


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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7478 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18260 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 2):
A lot of people also "get sick" just before they retire because AA gives very little for unused sick time.

I have always been confused by this, always regarded sick days as an insurance, you have it in case you need it, if you don't get sick it's done, start the next year clean.
Anyway its a policy implemented by management when they thought it was something small and they had bigger fish to fry, and yes I know unions push for and have such protections of sick days in their contracts, management did not have to agree.
My employer presently gives 5 sick days paid per year accompanied by a doctors notification, and whatever is not used is not used, next year you got 10 days and it cannot be added to vacation time either.

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 3):
Actually, we love our airline. We just hate our management, who won't be there for very much longer.

Hopefully the airline will be there much longer.


User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18095 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 2):
I do not think the sick calls are an attempt to sabotage the airline, but rather because AA plans to make changes to the sick and attendance policy reducing the amount of sick pay you earn the longer you are out. It is not finalized but it will go something like the first three days 100% of sick pay and then the percentage of pay will go down the longer you are out sick.

Interesting operating philosophy, to penalize (punish?) employees with long-term illnesses/disabilities. "So sorry you have cancer. We're reducing your pay because of it."

Is this a common strategy these days amongst US employers?


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 450 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17950 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 2):
There have been a lot of people calling in sick in all departments.

I do not think the sick calls are an attempt to sabotage the airline, but rather because AA plans to make changes to the sick and attendance policy reducing the amount of sick pay you earn the longer you are out. It is not finalized but it will go something like the first three days 100% of sick pay and then the percentage of pay will go down the longer you are out sick.

Employees with large sick banks have been "getting sick" so they can use up their sick bank at 100% pay. If AA wanted to stop this all they would have to do is rethink this change and announce that they will not implement it.

A lot of people also "get sick" just before they retire because AA gives very little for unused sick time. If they paid more out for it or offered other incentives not to use it at the end of a person's career they would probably reduce absenteeism even more.

Interesting. If this is the case, the AA management should issue an employee bulletin to either allow crew to cash out their sick bank or guarantee that it will remain untouched after changes are implemented going forward. This should be elementary for anyone in an HR department. I can't blame crews for using it if they're going to lose it without fairly being compensated.

Hopefully these sick outs are not just dirty tricks meant to force AA management out via a merger with US.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17844 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 7):
Interesting operating philosophy, to penalize (punish?) employees with long-term illnesses/disabilities. "So sorry you have cancer. We're reducing your pay because of it."

Is this a common strategy these days amongst US employers?

It's called reality. If AA doesn't fly, they don't get paid at all. No, customers won't pay a little to get nowhere.



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User currently offlineBDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17808 times:

Do you think they will lessen the number of crews they are planning on furloughing?

User currently offlinelexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17720 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 7):
Interesting operating philosophy, to penalize (punish?) employees with long-term illnesses/disabilities. "So sorry you have cancer. We're reducing your pay because of it."

Is this a common strategy these days amongst US employers?

No, but sickness discrimination (or pregnancy discrimination) is. The Japanese Auto Makers with plants here in the US are doing things to curb the amount of money they pay out for sick days as well. This is a national trend among the largest employers.

My wife's employer let her go 7 months into her pregnancy. Cancelled the insurance and enforced her non-compete. I know this isn't "sickness" related, but it gives you an idea of what I'm talking about.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9665 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17589 times:

good for them. NMB wont give them help them self help is the way to do it.

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 3):

*sigh* i think your board is to stupid for this. Wish you were right though.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 5):

They are just making self help easier for the employee groups.



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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17540 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 8):
Interesting operating philosophy, to penalize (punish?) employees with long-term illnesses/disabilities. "So sorry you have cancer. We're reducing your pay because of it."

Is this a common strategy these days amongst US employers?

Many workers in the US, myself included, don't get any sick leave. If I was unable to work, I'd stop getting paid when I ran out of vacation days, which would get me only into next week at the moment.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 5):
This from the airline that wants to layoff 2,300 flight attendants and 400 pilots. Which is it AMR? Do you have too many, or not enough? As for the sick calls, management was naive to think employees with large sick banks would sit back and let them go to waste.

I'm puzzled as well - surely AA will have to cut the number of layoffs accordingly, or at least boost the number of reserve FAs.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17500 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 7):
Interesting operating philosophy, to penalize (punish?) employees with long-term illnesses/disabilities. "So sorry you have cancer. We're reducing your pay because of it."

Is this a common strategy these days amongst US employers?

When I got sick back in 2001 - the company I worked for had a "Cadillac" insurance policy.

First all my sick days and all my vacation days were used up. Then I went on Short Term Disability. That was provided at company expense, no deductions from my pay.

For up to six months I received half my normal salary. My social security, taxes, 401K, insurance and such deductions continued. So I received well less than 1/2 of my normal take home pay.

But I was happy to have that - because at that company at least - I had no worries about my job not being there when I got well. As soon as the doctors cleared me to sit in the office daily, the company took me back at full pay, though it was four or five months before I could really work full time and do my job fully.

Had I been on Short Term Disability for over six months, I would have gone to Long Term Disability - 60 months - at 70% pay and medical insurance paid by the company. One of my co-workers was out for almost three years with leukemia and a bone marrow transplant. (Note - we could choose 50% or 70% LTD with a payroll deduction. It was required - the premiums were $12 and $18 per pay period for LTD.)

That said - I was pretty lucky. I've known several other people with union jobs, management jobs and non-union hourly jobs who got sick or injured - almost none had as good a plan as I did.


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8601 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17376 times:
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Quoting lexy (Reply 12):
My wife's employer let her go 7 months into her pregnancy. Cancelled the insurance and enforced her non-compete

Sorry for going off topic, but is that really legal in the US ? It sounds like something out of 1950's or '60's.

Anyway, back on topic, I tend to agree with other posters, If AA have decided to reduce flights it is probably because it suits them to do so. While the OP is often a great source of information, just like with any other poster, it is necessary to 'interpret' his posts. To some extent or another all of us have our own agenda when posting here. Some people love to bash ( or promote) a particular airline, others have their own anti-management or anti-labour hobbyhorses. This is perfectly natural, but it is just necessary to be aware that posts are rarely neutral ( my own included) and that when interpreting them we need to familiar with the sort of 'filters' a particular poster is likely to apply to any given event.



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User currently offlinesflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17341 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

I have also heard there continues to be pilot shortages - but AA only has itself to blame for that, for not hiring enough pilots over the past few months. The shortages are nothing new, and I can't believe AA hasn't well prepared itself for it yet again.

No you are right. There are pilot shortages. I mean AA is cutting flights in peak season, with load factors the highest they've been in while, with an economy that is picking up and management is still talking layoffs. There are hundreds (1153 actually) of pilots on furlough and age 65 limit starts to kick in in December I mean I just dont get it. And the other problem is most P2P has already been axed. The cornerstoned strategy means almost all traffic gets routed through hubs and this will cut even more. Oh and btw, we are also getting into summer weather which means even a mid week, multiple cut frequency cut have effects on the system. AA has pilot bases in non hub cities that require AA to deadhead at pay around the system because the cuts in these cities have been so severe taking up valuable revenue seats. Yeah, it is a mess


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17285 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
If AA have decided to reduce flights it is probably because it suits them to do so.

I have no "agenda." AA is reducing flying because too many FA's are calling in sick. It's that simple - there is no other reason for the reductions.

If you want to argue why they are calling in sick - whether to sabotage the airline or in fear of reduced benefits - that's fine. But the flying is being cancelled because there are not enough FA's this summer.

[Edited 2012-05-09 12:22:49]


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User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17185 times:

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 3):
Actually, we love our airline. We just hate our management, who won't be there for very much longer.

As to the management you hate, it seems the rest of the unsecured creditors don't "hate" them so much. In fact, they all agreed with the decision to challenge your contracts in court. BTW, that doesn't mean the rest of the unsecured creditors "hate" the unions. It just seems that way because it is just business.


User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17057 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 1):
Don't blame the FA's actions for this reduction. Airlines don't plan & load schedules because of 'sickouts'. They plan their schedules based on where they want to fly, and the number of flight crew employed. If the airline is not cancelling flights because they don't make money on them, then it is because they haven't hired enough people to staff the flights. Blaming work actions by the employees is not truthful.

Did you work for Northwest in 2007? I did. My first week on the job, and this was what I worked on:

http://joesharkeyat.blogspot.com/200...est-pilots-weather-in-plot-to.html

Quote:
EAGAN, Minn.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 29, 2007--Northwest Airlines today issued the following statement regarding its recent flight cancellations and its plan to address the issue:

During June, Northwest Airlines' mainline schedule has been negatively impacted by several factors, the most important of which are: summertime thunderstorms on the east coast and at several Northwest hubs, air traffic control congestion, and pilot absenteeism -- which was 80 percent higher in June 2007 versus June 2006. The cumulative impact of these factors caused the airline to pre-cancel hundreds of flight during the past week.

Over the past week (June 22 to June 28) the average percentage of canceled flights on a system-wide basis, including all NWA mainline and Airlink flights, was 7.6. For the same period, the average percentage of cancelled mainline flights was approximately 11.9.
...
Northwest is continuing to take the necessary steps to address the situation including:
-- Canceling its second Detroit-Frankfurt frequency, effective July 18, to free up 757 pilots to fly other routes.
-- In August, the airline will take further actions to reduce its schedule by 90 flying hours per day (a three percent domestic mainline capacity reduction) to increase its "reserve" of pilot flying hours.

-- The airline continues to retrain its furloughed pilots so that They can return to active flying. Northwest wants all remaining furloughed pilots to return to work as soon as possible and it will initiate new pilot hiring, if necessary.
...

A few weeks later, DTW-BRU and DTW-DUS were also cancelled to free up flying hours.

If you want to talk about work action, then why was it that Northwest's block performance improved from worst to best (65% on-time to 85%) starting the day after the announcement the SVP of Flight Ops would not be retained in the merger?

[Edited 2012-05-09 12:45:13]

User currently offlineat From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17010 times:

Indeed, rather peculiar. How can you be laying off / furloughing crew and then complaining that you don't have enough?
And if a number of crew are calling in sick, can't they have a back-up /reserve pool they can use?


User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16980 times:
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Quoting quiet1 (Reply 7):
Is this a common strategy these days amongst US employers?

No - many employers are either - combing vacation and sick into 1 bank - great if you don't get sick, not so much if you do., or just ignoring sick for non-chronic illnesses. They play the averages - they know the 'average' employee will get sick x amount - so they don't really care. Chronic illnesses are dealt with on an individual basis.

Of course, none of these are union companies.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16940 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 6):
I have always been confused by this, always regarded sick days as an insurance, you have it in case you need it, if you don't get sick it's done, start the next year clean.

That's how they are in a non-union environment, though some more progressive companies call them PTO and allow you to take them for any reason, though not successively. My wife's employer just has 5 sick days a year, resetting on day of hire anniversary, which expire if not used. Time beyond 5 days, you would file for temporary disability or if you didn't want to (couldn't prove the need) you could take unpaid time off or use vacation days, of which she gets 10 which accrue with each paycheck.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
Sorry for going off topic, but is that really legal in the US ? It sounds like something out of 1950's or '60's.

Depends on the circumstances. To fire someone because they are pregnant? No, that's illegal. To fire them for poor performance, legal. If she was the only one fired in the office at that time and doesn't have bad reviews, she has a legal standing to sue including punitive damages.



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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16815 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 5):
As for the sick calls, management was naive to think employees with large sick banks would sit back and let them go to waste.
Quoting AJMIA (Reply 2):
I do not think the sick calls are an attempt to sabotage the airline, but rather because AA plans to make changes to the sick and attendance policy reducing the amount of sick pay you earn the longer you are out. It is not finalized but it will go something like the first three days 100% of sick pay and then the percentage of pay will go down the longer you are out sick.
Quoting lexy (Reply 12):
No, but sickness discrimination (or pregnancy discrimination) is. The Japanese Auto Makers with plants here in the US are doing things to curb the amount of money they pay out for sick days as well. This is a national trend among the largest employers.

My wife's employer let her go 7 months into her pregnancy. Cancelled the insurance and enforced her non-compete. I know this isn't "sickness" related, but it gives you an idea of what I'm talking about.
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 15):
Many workers in the US, myself included, don't get any sick leave. If I was unable to work, I'd stop getting paid when I ran out of vacation days, which would get me only into next week at the moment.

It saddens me to see the state to which the situation has devolved. In the good old days, sick leave was negotiated (unionized) or granted (non-unionized) as a good faith benefit to cover bona fide illnesses/injuries. From the responses in this thread, I sense that sick leave is now merely a cash benefit to be used/abused at will by both sides, and even *expected* to be abused by the employee.

There can, and perhaps should (if dominant prevailing sentiments are as indicated here), be provisions for the employee to document bona fide long-term illnesses/injuries. e.g. Instead of an automatic cut in benefit after 3-days, permit full coverage for documented illnesses/injury. But, no. It's employees raping the benefit from their side, and management doing the same from theirs.

It's possibly a reflection of the "it's all about me" attitude these days? It was bluntly stated in another thread a while ago that being in the airline industry and considering it to be a career was an out-dated, quaint notion. Now "it is only a job" in a dog-eat-dog world, and anybody not in that mind set is out of touch with reality. I'm feeling older by the day.


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16912 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
Sorry for going off topic, but is that really legal in the US ? It sounds like something out of 1950's or '60's.

Anyway, back on topic, I tend to agree with other posters, If AA have decided to reduce flights it is probably because it suits them to do so. While the OP is often a great source of information, just like with any other poster, it is necessary to 'interpret' his posts. To some extent or another all of us have our own agenda when posting here. Some people love to bash ( or promote) a particular airline, others have their own anti-management or anti-labour hobbyhorses. This is perfectly natural, but it is just necessary to be aware that posts are rarely neutral ( my own included) and that when interpreting them we need to familiar with the sort of 'filters' a particular poster is likely to apply to any given event.


Very true,

Regards,

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25 frmrCapCadet : Sickleave, vacations, medical, retirement as well as salary are part of an employment package. Neither good nor bad, not expensive not cheap. It all i
26 JFKPurser : Things are not as they may appear. Certain entities are saying one thing publicly for political reasons and making other promises behind closed doors
27 JFKPurser : Things are not as they may appear. Certain entities are saying one thing publicly for political reasons and making other promises behind closed doors
28 jfklganyc : "I have no "agenda." AA is reducing flying because too many FA's are calling in sick. It's that simple - there is no other reason for the reductions."
29 qqflyboy : The increased sick calls are not a collective action to ruin the company, nor a singular action or protest -- employees are simply using benefits they
30 Av8tor : If AA management is succesful with the 1113 process on June 6th, I would expect sick calls to be the least of AMR's problems!
31 Post contains images qqflyboy : It's just another public assault by AA on their employees, all the while never acknowledging their predominate role in the demise of a once great com
32 rojo : Are you serious... I though you knew well what AA was going through. Why would AA hire more pilots for a couple of months and then fire them? AA is t
33 miaami : I usually look forward to and respect your informative posts, but this statement you make is really for the birds!!!! If AA would not have let the ca
34 LAXdude1023 : I said nothing about you being overpaid or entitled, so you can go ahead and stop playing the victim. As for the other, you made a huge point about B
35 HPRamper : Maybe AA should do away with the asinine practice of accrual of sick days like they are vacation. Give employees a set number of paid sick days per ye
36 LDVAviation : You told us Boeing was on your side. Shortly thereafter, Boeing came out and said they supported the work AA management was doing. You told us the PB
37 at : May be in theory , and may be at the upper-most levels of a company, but for most employees these variables are certainly neither negotiated or negot
38 MAH4546 : Months in advance? We are talking about June. AA has too many FA's calling in sick in June and can't run its current schedule as planned next month.
39 FlyPNS1 : How could AA "cancel" flights in June/July based on flight attendants calling in sick? Do flight attendants call in sick a month in advance? This mak
40 MAH4546 : There are too many FAs on the sick list for this summer. I'm not familiar with the nuances of how sick lists work, but other popular message boards,
41 miaami : What would you be doing if you were in the same situation as an AA employee with hundreds of hours to lose? If they put off having any medical proced
42 PlaneAdmirer : Assuming that the assertion of excessive sick leave is true, the FA union is very effectively making the company's case for tearing up the contracts.
43 LDVAviation : The case law does not support your assumption. There is a lot of blame to go around. Unions rode the gravy train for a long as they could, meanwhile
44 miaami : Having the entire fleet of MD80's grounded twice for not following FAA regulations properly. you might also say - with management like this who needs
45 AA767400 : That's AA's fault on how to deal with manning, and their antiquated reserve system. Obviously you're not familiar. So you got your information from a
46 JFKPurser : They are just going along with the process. It was expected and has no bearing on their position vis-a-vis a US takeover. This is a non issue. This i
47 EricR : You forgot to add the following words to the end of your sentence...."and enjoy your flight".
48 usa330300 : Are you serious? Have you ever worked with these front of line FAs and pilots? AA has the staffing met. They just happen to have employees that use "
49 michman : My employer has separate long-term disability coverage that is not tied to sick time. We get up to 15 sick days a year which resets each year. Note t
50 7673mech : This will ultimately get deleted I am sure .... however they should just get it over with a nuke the whole airline. Then all the disgruntled employees
51 chepos : This thread has become AA cheerleaders vs. AA unionized employees. AA fan boys seem to drink the koolaid and all the spin out there to villainize AA u
52 MAH4546 : Really? As if the union fanboys don't drink the union leader koolaid, which is far worse than mangement's.
53 ozark1 : I always considered you one of the more intelligent posters on this site until you made the above statement. Blame it on the flight attendants? Pleas
54 MAH4546 : You have your opinion, and I have mine. American Airlines is a great case study for the inherent dangers of unions. And, thankfully, unions are a dyi
55 qqflyboy : Mark, very few, if any, sick calls are known in advance. In fact, there is no real process for flight attendants to pre-plan sick time, say for surge
56 Post contains images CompensateMe : Like every other legacy airline, AA wound up in bankruptcy due to struggles endured from the operating environment. While there's no doubt high compe
57 DeltaL1011man : Hey....your not allowed to use logic. this thread was started by a member who, while he will deny it, basically blames everything that ever happen (t
58 CompensateMe : I'd bet against that.
59 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : heyyyy
60 LDVAviation : A non-issue? Is this another one of Glading's inventions? The rest of the creditors are not just going along with the process; they want to see what
61 Av8tor : Well then, lets see what happens... I promise you, you don't want to fly AA on June 6th if AMR management is successful with 1113. Bet on it!
62 ripcordd : And for any of the creditors think that since the revune is improving I have one question to ask them for how much faith they will have in AA when it
63 LDVAviation : This is what is going to happen. If you act like children, a judge will issue an injunction against any employee action taken against the airline. Th
64 737tdi : Oh, so we should give up our sick time because you don't get any??? Fight for what is fair. People complain about Unions but then complain that their
65 iFlyLOTs : I never want to fly on AA, regardless of the day. Hes got you there
66 EricR : One must admit that unions (not union members, but union coordinators and leaders) generally play a more divisive than united role, thus creating an "
67 AJMIA : In 2007 I had spine surgery and was out sick for three months. Since then I have only called in sick on one other occasion. I do not play with my sic
68 chepos : I didn't say this. Regards, Chepos
69 SkyCub : Isn't American proposing significant cuts to the health benefits of all employees? I mean... that's my understanding. Is it not possible that American
70 miaami : Exactly! Punish the good employees!
71 Post contains images lightsaber : Wow! We're capped at 400 hours of PTO. How generous is AA with sick time if they let that much be banked?!? Unfortunately true. We also had people ab
72 Post contains images flyhossd : I'm loath to post here any more because so many threads, like this one, devolve into a union supporter versus union hater argument. Subsequently, any
73 upcfordcruiser : Is there an attendance policy that holds people accountable for less than acceptable attendance? I understand life happens and a call-in is necessary
74 737tdi : So what happened at Southwest? I'm curious? I bet I get no response. We will see.???
75 BDL757 : I'm curious, how many f/a's and pilots does American have on furlough? I know AA's stance is that most employees are senior and make top dollar which
76 bennett123 : What obligations do furloughed staff have to the company, and vice versa.
77 JFKPurser : FYI the creditors all voted for the 1113 because thats just what they do to best protect their interest. It is a completely separate issue from the U
78 PRAirbus : Wonder how AA will "protect" its operational integrity after June 6th when the Bankrutpcy Court judge will render his verdict regarding the union cont
79 AAR90 : Thanks for providing the one LOGIC based post --to date-- in this thread. The vast majority of front line pilots, flight attendants and others I enco
80 ckfred : A lot of people thought there was no way that Glen Tilton would be CEO of UA upon exit from Chapter 11, but he was. Do not rule out Horton and his te
81 flyhossd : First, allow me to apologize for not being clear. It was quite late when I posted and in reviewing my post, I can see that it wasn't as clear or as w
82 LDVAviation : So, the unions expected the UCC to go along with the section 1113 hearings. Then, why was it reported that the unions pleaded with the creditors to s
83 Post contains links JFKPurser : Wow. You are just spinning in so many directions here. You know, I'm trying to help you and everyone els here who might be interested understand what
84 goldenstate : It's been my experience that jumpseat rumors usually have very little to do with "what is actually transpiring," as you say. In any case, history sug
85 JFKPurser : Um -- my information isn't coming from anywhere near a jumpseat, or an airplane. I was simply repeating what the gentleman was hypothesizing -- or ra
86 Jerseyguy : I will start out by saying that I think the rumored new policy of losing time the longer you get sick isn't right. If you have a sick day it should be
87 JFKPurser : Well, in terms of FAs only, the number of combined AA/US FAs would about equal UA's force, both of which would number around 24,000. There would be m
88 Post contains links JFKPurser : Apparently they do: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...RSS&feedName=innovationNews&rpc=43 Gosh. All this lying, making up stories and pos
89 LDVAviation : Running out of arguments and evidence, so here come the ad hominems. As to the rest, it is pure crazy.[Edited 2012-05-11 16:26:00]
90 MAH4546 : Nowhere, not a single place anywhere, does it say they like the plan. Exploring merger options does not equate to agreeing to a union-backed disaster
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