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OAG Changes 5/11/2012: DL/F9/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7720 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9590 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

6G FLL-CCZ JUN 0.3>0.9 JUL 0.3>0.9 AUG 0.3>0.8 SEP 0.3>0.9 OCT 0.3>0.8 NOV 0.1>0.3
6G FLL-GHC JUN 0.6>0 JUL 0.6>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.2>0

AM FAT-GDL JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 0.8>0.9 SEP 0.5>0.0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0 DEC 0.5>0
AM LAS-MTY JUN 0.4>0.3
AM LAX-GDL JUN 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
AM MIA-CUN JUN 0.3>0
AM ORD-DGO SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0 NOV 0.1>0

Wow...
**AR MIA-EZE OCT 1.0>0.2 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0.2 JAN 1.0>0.1

*DL ATL-ACC AUG 0.4>0.2 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0 DEC 0.5>0 JAN 0.4>0
DL ATL-AGS SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
DL ATL-BCN NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.5
DL ATL-BDA SEP 1.0>0.9 OCT 1.0>0.8 NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8
DL ATL-BRU NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-CAE JAN 9>8
DL ATL-CAK SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
DL ATL-DUB NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-DUS NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-MAD NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-MAN NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.9
DL ATL-MBJ JAN 4>3
DL ATL-MTY NOV 2>1.8
*DL ATL-MXP NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.5>0 JAN 0.6>0
DL ATL-NAS DEC 5>4 JAN 4>3
DL ATL-SDF JAN 8>7
DL ATL-SJU AUG 5>4 SEP 4>3
DL ATL-STR NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-ZRH NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL AZO-MSP AUG 1.9>1.4 SEP 1.8>1.0 OCT 1.9>1.0
DL BNA-MSP SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 JAN 6>5
DL BOS-BDA OCT 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.9
DL CVG-SEA JAN 0.9>0.2
*DL DTW-CDG SEP 0.1>1.0 OCT 0>0.8
DL DTW-MSN SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7
DL DTW-MTY NOV 1.0>0.8
DL GCC-RKS JUL 0.3>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
DL JFK-ACC SEP 0.6>0.7 OCT 0.6>0.7 NOV 0.6>0.7 DEC 0.5>0.7 JAN 0.6>0.7
*DL JFK-ATH OCT 1.0>0.8 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
DL JFK-BCN NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
**DL JFK-FCO NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
DL JFK-IST NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL JFK-MAD NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL JFK-NCE NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.1
DL JFK-PRG NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.5
DL JFK-RDU JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
DL JFK-VCE NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL JFK-ZRH AUG 1.0>0.8
DL LGA-NAS SEP 0.1>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
DL MSP-OMA SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7
DL MSP-YWG DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL MSP-YYC DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
DL SLC-CDG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL SLC-RNO SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5

EC EWR-ORY OCT 2>1.9

F9 BWI-PUJ SEP 0.3>0.0
F9 DEN-OKC JUL 2>3
Where do these slots go? F9 is about done with MCI. Wonder how COS is going?
*F9 MCI-LGA JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.8>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0
F9 MCI-MCO SEP 0.3>0.1
What's left now?
*F9 MKE-BNA JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-CMH JUN 1.7>0.0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0.1 NOV 1.7>0.1 DEC 1.7>0.2 JAN 0.3>0.0
*F9 MKE-IND JUN 1.5>0 JUL 1.5>0 AUG 1.6>0 SEP 1.5>0 OCT 1.6>0 NOV 1.6>0 DEC 1.5>0
4 LGA slots abandoned? Were they sold?
*F9 MKE-LGA JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.8>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0
*F9 MKE-OMA JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-PIT JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0
F9 ORD-MBJ JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.2 NOV 0>0.1
F9 PHL-CUN SEP 0.2>0.0
F9 STL-MBJ JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.1

G4 GSP-PIE DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 LAS-OWB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 PIE-TYS DEC 0.6>0.4

HA HNL-KOA JUN 19>21 JUL 19>21 AUG 19>21
HA HNL-LIH JUN 18>20 JUL 18>20 AUG 18>20
HA HNL-OGG JUN 28>29 JUL 28>29 AUG 28>29
HA KOA-HNL JUN 19>21 JUL 19>21 AUG 19>21
HA LIH-HNL JUN 18>20 JUL 18>20 AUG 18>20
HA OGG-HNL JUN 28>29 JUL 28>29 AUG 28>29

KX DFW-GCM JUL 0>0.2 AUG 0>0.1

LA JFK-LIM SEP 1.1>1.0 OCT 1.5>1.2 NOV 1.6>1.5
LA LAX-LIM NOV 1.9>1.6
LA MIA-LIM OCT 3>2

MW KOA-OGG JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11 OCT 10>11 NOV 10>11 JAN 10>11
MW OGG-KOA JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11 OCT 10>11 JAN 10>11

OZ CLT-SEA SEP 0>0.8
OZ HNL-ICN JUL 0.5>0.8
OZ LAX-PHL SEP 0>1.0
OZ LAX-SJC JUN 0.8>0
OZ MSP-ORD JUN 0.8>0.4
OZ PHL-SEA SEP 0>1.0
OZ SEA-ICN JUL 0.8>1.0

SU LAX-SVO NOV 0.6>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.5>0.7

TS MCO-YYZ JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3

UA ANC-SEA JAN 0.8>1.5
UA CLE-DUJ SEP 1.7>1.2 OCT 1.7>1.1 NOV 1.7>1.1 DEC 1.7>1.2 JAN 1.7>1.1
UA DEN-MEX DEC 0.1>0.4
UA DEN-SAT JUN 4>3
UA DEN-SGF JUN 3>1.9
UA DEN-YQR JAN 2>1.9
UA DEN-YVR JAN 2>1.9
UA DUJ-FKL SEP 1.7>1.1 OCT 1.7>1.2 NOV 1.7>1.1 DEC 1.7>1.1 JAN 1.7>1.2
*UA EWR-HKG JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0.6
UA FLL-GHB JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.0>1.1 SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.1 NOV 1.0>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1
*UA FLL-GNV JUL 0.0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
This one has reveresed like 3 times hasn't it?
*UA FLL-TPA JUL 0.0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
UA GNV-TPA JUL 1.7>1.0 AUG 1.7>1.0 SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.7>1.0 NOV 1.7>1.0 DEC 1.7>1.0 JAN 1.7>1.0
UA HNL-SNA JUL 0>0.8
**UA IAD-HPN JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0
UA IAD-MBJ JAN 0>0.1
UA IAD-PUJ JAN 0>0.1
UA IAD-SJU DEC 1.0>1.1
UA IAH-CHS SEP 3>2 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7
UA IAH-CID JUN 1.8>1.1
UA IAH-EGE JAN 0>1.0
UA IAH-GJT JUN 1.8>1.2
UA IAH-HRL JUL 4>5
UA IAH-MTY JAN 9>8
UA IAH-ORF JUN 2>1.2
UA IAH-SDF JUN 4>3
UA IAH-TYR JUL 4>3
UA LAS-PSP JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2
UA ORD-BOS JAN 10>9
UA ORD-BUF JUN 7>6
UA ORD-HPN JUN 6>5 AUG 6>5 SEP 5>4 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 JAN 6>5
UA ORD-LAS JAN 6>5
UA ORD-LAX JAN 13>12
UA ORD-LGA JAN 15>14
UA ORD-MBJ JAN 0>0.1
UA ORD-MSP JAN 13>12
UA ORD-PUJ JAN 0>0.1
UA ORD-SYR JUN 6>5
UA SFO-ORD JAN 16>15
UA SFO-YYJ JAN 2>1.9
UA SFO-YYZ JAN 1.0>0.9

UP FLL-NAS OCT 4>3

Less BOS for US*
*US ALB-BOS JUN 1.0>0.5 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
*US BOS-PBG JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0
*US BOS-PQI JUN 3>1.2 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0
**US CLT-CDG OCT 1.0>0.8 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.7>0
US CLT-JAX SEP 7>8
US CLT-JFK SEP 3>5 OCT 3>5 NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 3>5
US CLT-MCO SEP 9>8
US CLT-MIA SEP 7>6
US CLT-PBI AUG 5>4 SEP 6>4
US CLT-PDX SEP 0>0.7
US CLT-RSW AUG 6>4 SEP 7>4
US CLT-SEA SEP 1.0>3
US CLT-SLC SEP 1.0>0.7
US CLT-TPA SEP 9>8
US DCA-ORF AUG 4>5
US DCA-PBI SEP 4>1.4
*US PHL-AUS SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
US PHL-DEN SEP 2>3
US PHL-DFW SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
US PHL-FLL SEP 5>4
US PHL-LAX SEP 4>6
US PHL-MCO SEP 8>7
US PHL-MIA SEP 4>3
US PHL-PBI SEP 4>3
US PHL-PDX SEP 0>1.0
US PHL-RSW AUG 3>2 SEP 4>1.1
*US PHL-SAT SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
US PHL-SEA AUG 3>4 SEP 1.0>4
US PHL-SFO SEP 3>5
US PHL-SMF SEP 0>1.0
US PHL-YOW AUG 4>3
US PHX-FLL AUG 1.4>1.0 SEP 2>1.0
US PHX-HNL DEC 1.7>3
US PHX-HNL OCT 1.7>3 NOV 1.7>3 DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.7>1.8
US PHX-KOA AUG 1.0>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.8 NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6
US PHX-KOA SEP 1.0>0.6 NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6
US PHX-LIH NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 0.9>0.6
US PHX-LIH NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 0.9>0.6
US PHX-MCO SEP 3>1.1
US PHX-OGG SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.4 NOV 1.0>1.3 DEC 1.0>1.3
US PHX-TPA SEP 3>1.0
US PHX-YEG AUG 1.4>1.0 SEP 2>1.9

VB IAH-MTY OCT 0.4>0.3 NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3
VB LAS-MTY NOV 0.6>0.5 DEC 0.6>0.4 JAN 0.5>0.4
VB SAT-MTY NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3

Interesting. When routes blink on and off like this I assume there is a subsidy being negotiated. If you are taking bookings during the negotiation you are in a worse negotiating position.
*VX PSP-SFO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

*WG LAS-YEG SEP 0>0.2 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3

WP LIH-OGG JUL 1.4>1.5 AUG 1.4>1.6 SEP 1.5>1.6 OCT 1.4>1.5 NOV 1.4>1.6 DEC 1.5>1.6 JAN 1.4>1.5
WP MKK-HNL JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
WP MKK-OGG JUN 0.5>1.5
*WP OGG-MKK JUN 1.0>1.5 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0

38 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9185 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AR MIA-EZE OCT 1.0>0.2 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0.2 JAN 1.0>0.1

That's an error I assure you, just like every other time AR appears to reduce service on this route. AR wi actually be going 2x daily this winter, with a daylight via CCS.



a.
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8950 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Less BOS for US*
*US ALB-BOS JUN 1.0>0.5 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
*US BOS-PBG JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0
*US BOS-PQI JUN 3>1.2 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0

This is the Colgan flying ending. But US has indeed shrunk dramatically at BOS over the past decade or so; before 9/11, the US/US* operation at BOS was roughly twice its current size in terms of departures and even larger by seats -- and that's even without the HP flights to PHX/LAS. And aircraft larger than an A319 are pretty scarce for US at BOS.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4 LGA slots abandoned? Were they sold?

Apparently there was a "slot transaction" involving the former YX slots used for MCI-LGA & MKE-LGA. I'd bet they're being used for some more Delta Connection flying at LGA.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8920 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-HKG JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0.6

I've randomly searched a Weds roundtrip on that flight in July on UA's site, and still shows full availability. Can you double check it?


User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
I've randomly searched a Weds roundtrip on that flight in July on UA's site, and still shows full availability. Can you double check it?

It has to be a mistake. I highly doubt they would suspend this route for two months in the summer

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-LAX SEP 4>6
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-SFO SEP 3>5

No surprise to see US keep the summer frequencies with VX in the market.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7720 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
That's an error I assure you, just like every other time AR appears to reduce service on this route. AR wi actually be going 2x daily this winter, with a daylight via CCS.

I wonder if they filed an invalid Eqp type code. That can cause a less than daily operation change like that.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 2):
This is the Colgan flying ending

Thanks. I didn't put that together.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 2):
Apparently there was a "slot transaction" involving the former YX slots used for MCI-LGA & MKE-LGA. I'd bet they're being used for some more Delta Connection flying at LGA.

Didn't they explicitly state in the DCA beyond perimeter slot allocation process that F9 and the DL* operation at the parent company were completely separate operations and they would not mix slots between the operations???

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-HKG JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0.6

I've randomly searched a Weds roundtrip on that flight in July on UA's site, and still shows full availability. Can you double check it?

It's not a typo on my part. It is a published change. It shows cancelled until mid-August. Like the AR issue, it could be that they filed an invalid equipment type and OAG can't process it. Here's how that can happen. Say they fly the route with a 777-200. They have a unique configuration for that route and have specific tails assigned to it. Internally they may refer to it as a 77T or 77A or who knows to show it is a unique sub-fleet. If they file the schedule without correcting that to an IATA approved code like 772 or 77L it will not appear in OAG.


User currently offlinenicksair From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 484 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8433 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*VX PSP-SFO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

They stated on their Facebook or Twitter (Can't remember which), that it was seasonal.

'2NW



Nicholas William Reed KSAN/KLAX/KSFO
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7720 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

Quoting nicksair (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*VX PSP-SFO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

They stated on their Facebook or Twitter (Can't remember which), that it was seasonal.

'2NW

A couple of months ago they had it selling in NOV/DEC and then deleted it. It has now been added back into the schedule, so the seasonality of the route is not relevant. Why was it deleted from the selling schedule and then brought back for the exact same timeframe?


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8247 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4 LGA slots abandoned? Were they sold?
*F9 MKE-LGA JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.8>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Where do these slots go? F9 is about done with MCI. Wonder how COS is going?
*F9 MCI-LGA JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.8>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0

Clearly there has been something worked out for these slots. There must be someone on here who knows someone at frontier who knows. Multiple parties would be interested in a few in perimeter LGA slots so i hope they got a good deal out of this. Even though this was one of frontiers last good assets i think it makes cents if they are getting a good trade for these. I doubt they were making much off of them compared to the value and frontier is in a very slow and painful death in my opinion they need change and some cash or assets that they can actually make money with are more important than the long term value of LGA slots to them. An airline like DL, UA or B6 might be smart to think about long term LGA slot value and protecting them but frontier needs major work to be an airline long term they have years of loses to pay off. Que mariner to tell us things are all fine and dandy at frontier   JK but i would love to know what they are doing with the LGA slots

As a major COS supporter i love the expansion there but its so small. Its just a small way to have some routes not price set by southwest not enough to save the airline. I bet frontier is praying for COS-DCA to come thru that could actually be a very profitable route in my opinion but theres alot of competition with better connection power


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25706 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8143 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 8):
I bet frontier is praying for COS-DCA to come thru that could actually be a very profitable route in my opinion but theres alot of competition with better connection power

I surely hope Frontier isn't "praying" for it. They've been rather more pragmatic than that and hired a lobbyist.

I think it's fifty-fifty whether they get it or not, and any folk spoken to at Frontier agree with that, with a couple more pessimistic than I am.

If they don't get it, I think - and it's just me - they set up a flawless case for starting COS-BWI.  

mariner



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8049 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-ACC AUG 0.4>0.2 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0 DEC 0.5>0 JAN 0.4>0

Someone I know in ATL told me that this route has been doing poorly ever since it started.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-MXP NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.5>0 JAN 0.6>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL JFK-FCO NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0

I think both of these were announced recently in the forums.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
OZ CLT-SEA SEP 0>0.8
OZ HNL-ICN JUL 0.5>0.8
OZ LAX-PHL SEP 0>1.0
OZ LAX-SJC JUN 0.8>0
OZ MSP-ORD JUN 0.8>0.4
OZ PHL-SEA SEP 0>1.0
OZ SEA-ICN JUL 0.8>1.0

Can someone explain what's going on here? Isn't OZ Asiana Airlines?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**US CLT-CDG OCT 1.0>0.8 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.7>0

I don't know why US flew this route. CDG is such a huge Skyteam hub. I can see instead a CLT- LHR route if we were taking about an AA merger    or CLT- *A hub (I'm not to familiar with them in Europe)



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8050 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CLT-CDG OCT 1.0>0.8 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.7>0

Weird. This route has been flown year round from CLT for a couple of years now, albeit operating 4-5 flights weekly in the summer. What's even weirder is that the flight is discontinued in November, instead of early January like FCO. Flight seems to be taken off usairways.com during the winter months so unfortunately this isn't a mistake.

Sad. I wonder where the A332 will go.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CLT-PDX SEP 0>0.7

Is this route going year-round?

[Edited 2012-05-10 12:29:02]


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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3630 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7997 times:

Quiet winter for DL at JFK

F9 slots---did I hear a rumor about them going to B6?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Can someone explain what's going on here? Isn't OZ Asiana Airlines?

Misfiled US and UA codeshares. For whatever reason, OZ screws this up a lot.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25706 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7693 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 8):
I doubt they were making much off of them compared to the value and frontier is in a very slow and painful death in my opinion they need change and some cash or assets that they can actually make money with are more important than the long term value of LGA slots to them.

I don't see how that works, because they are not Frontier slots. As I understand it, Frontier gets no financial benefit from the transaction.

I could, as always, be wrong.  

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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MW KOA-OGG JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11 OCT 10>11 NOV 10>11 JAN 10>11
MW OGG-KOA JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11 OCT 10>11 JAN 10>11

What is this? Anyone have insight on these 11 flights a day between Maui and Kona? I never heard of this before.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*WP OGG-MKK JUN 1.0>1.5 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0

So do the people on Molokai have any way to get to their county seat directly any more?



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7720 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 8):
Even though this was one of frontiers last good assets i think it makes cents if they are getting a good trade for these.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Someone I know in ATL told me that this route has been doing poorly ever since it started.

Yeah, I don't think 99% of the population of Atlanta could find Accra on a map.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
OZ CLT-SEA SEP 0>0.8
OZ HNL-ICN JUL 0.5>0.8
OZ LAX-PHL SEP 0>1.0
OZ LAX-SJC JUN 0.8>0
OZ MSP-ORD JUN 0.8>0.4
OZ PHL-SEA SEP 0>1.0
OZ SEA-ICN JUL 0.8>1.0

Can someone explain what's going on here? Isn't OZ Asiana Airlines?

They are mostly mis-filed code shares. They filed them with OZ as the operator by mistake.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CLT-PDX SEP 0>0.7

Is this route going year-round?

It looks like it is just extended for a month.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 12):
F9 slots---did I hear a rumor about them going to B6?
Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
I don't see how that works, because they are not Frontier slots. As I understand it, Frontier gets no financial benefit from the transaction.

I could, as always, be wrong.

Mariner, so you are agreeing they are going to B6? Another poster said they were going to DL*/RJET. Which is it? So were these all Air21 slots? If they are then they have to go to re-bid. They can't transfer or sell them.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25706 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6500 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Mariner, so you are agreeing they are going to B6?

Nope. I haven't mentioned where they are going.

My only point is that they were not Frontier's slots, and that, contrary to this:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 8):
Even though this was one of frontiers last good assets i think it makes cents if they are getting a good trade for these.

they were not a Frontier asset. They were a Republic asset.

mariner



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

I don't know thats accurately.......either way I think it's a good move but a bad sign. Republic has alot invested in frontier but it's looking more and more like they have lost faith and just want to distance themselves so they should sell them if thats the case. if frontier has them then I bet they are not making much off them anyway and they will get more in return. Either case it makes cents to trade these slots I think given frontiers major problems but that's my opinion

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Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6269 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
I don't know thats accurately.......either way I think it's a good move but a bad sign.

The slots in question came to Republic - not Frontier - through the purchase of Midwest. They were not transferred to Frontier. I have no idea why it is a bad sign.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
if frontier has them then I bet they are not making much off them anyway and they will get more in return.

But Frontier did not "have them." As has been stated frequently to the DOT Frontier had the use of them, by Republic. Frontier has the use of some Republic DCA slots, too, but I don't know what will happen with separation.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
. Either case it makes cents to trade these slots I think given frontiers major problems but that's my opinion

As is probably well known, I don't share that somewhat apocalyptic view of Frontier, but each to their own.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-05-10 18:16:26]


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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5912 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM FAT-GDL JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 0.8>0.9 SEP 0.5>0.0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0 DEC 0.5>0
AM LAS-MTY JUN 0.4>0.3
AM LAX-GDL JUN 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
AM MIA-CUN JUN 0.3>0
AM ORD-DGO SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0 NOV 0.1>0

Is AM throwing in the towel on the FAT-GDL service? December is a heavy travel month for trips for family visits for the holidays. Does Volars win this battle? Were AM fares too high? I also find it interesting that AM is cutting service out of LAX during the two holiday months.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA JFK-LIM SEP 1.1>1.0 OCT 1.5>1.2 NOV 1.6>1.5
LA LAX-LIM NOV 1.9>1.6
LA MIA-LIM OCT 3>2

LA LIM-LAX increases to 13x weekly in October.
LA LIM-JFK increases to 10x weekly in October. LA LIM-JFK increases to 11x weekly in November.
LA LIM-MIA increases to 17x weekly in November.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7720 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 17):
Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Mariner, so you are agreeing they are going to B6?

Nope. I haven't mentioned where they are going.

My only point is that they were not Frontier's slots, and that, contrary to this:

You know what is interesting is that DL* recently announced MKE-LGA a couple of weeks ago. Didn't they also start flying MCI-LGA? If these are Air21 slots, they could conceivably keep the route the same and switch the branding from F9 to DL without a rebid.

Quoting mariner (Reply 17):
they were not a Frontier asset. They were a Republic asset.

My problem with this is that they (YX/F9/whatever) obtained those slots by virture of being a disadvantaged carrier and if they move from F9 to DL then I think that is highly questionable and a perversion of the process. This is exactly what the DOT has been worried about with the issuance of new DCA/LGA slots to F9. Are they really an LCC or just a wolf in sheep's clothing gathering assets for DL/US/whoever. If these slots go to DL, F9 will probably never get another slot awarded because they will forever be considered a legacy in funny glasses and a mustache...at least until they are sold. If that ever happens.

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 20):
Is AM throwing in the towel on the FAT-GDL service?

AM blows in the wind so much I don't trust anything until at least 2 weeks have passed without revision.


User currently offlinefatflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5848 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 20):
Is AM throwing in the towel on the FAT-GDL service? December is a heavy travel month for trips for family visits for the holidays. Does Volars win this battle? Were AM fares too high? I also find it interesting that AM is cutting service out of LAX during the two holiday months.
Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
AM blows in the wind so much I don't trust anything until at least 2 weeks have passed without revision.

As I mentioned over on the Mexican Aviation thread, I believe this is not the first time these OAG threads have shown AM on the route with cuts or zero one week then been increased a week or two later. Like Enilria says, we have to wait a couple of weeks on AM to see what the post in the next couple of weeks on the route to be sure.



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Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4624 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
My problem with this is that they (YX/F9/whatever) obtained those slots by virture of being a disadvantaged carrier and if they move from F9 to DL then I think that is highly questionable and a perversion of the process. This is exactly what the DOT has been worried about with the issuance of new DCA/LGA slots to F9. Are they really an LCC or just a wolf in sheep's clothing gathering assets for DL/US/whoever. If these slots go to DL, F9 will probably never get another slot awarded because they will forever be considered a legacy in funny glasses and a mustache...at least until they are sold. If that ever happens.

I wasn't aware that the DOT is worried about the issuance of new DCA/LGA slots to Frontier.

Frontier has almost nothing to do with this. These are Republic slots - this is Republic business.

mariner

[Edited 2012-05-11 11:17:28]


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7720 posts, RR: 15
Reply 25, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 24):
I wasn't aware that the DOT is worried about the issuance of new DCA/LGA slots to Frontier.

Isn't F9 seeking award of a slot in DCA for COS?
In the LGA slot bid weren't they given an exception to be considered independent of Republic's holdings in order to classify them as a limited incumbent? If they were to give those slots to DL, they will be trodding on dangerous ground.

Quoting mariner (Reply 24):
Frontier has almost nothing to do with this. These are Republic slots - this is Republic business.

The slots are being used in Frontier branded operation. DOT already determined that it will treat F9 branded operations differently from Republic in the slot application/award process. If they change the branding to Delta, that is a perversion of the process. These slots have always been operated for the benefit of a limited incumbent (YX and now F9). DL has the majority of LGA slots now. It is a big difference.


User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 11):

Sad. I wonder where the A332 will go.

Current rumor has it headed to South America, where a 767 currently flies


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25706 posts, RR: 85
Reply 27, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4587 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Isn't F9 seeking award of a slot in DCA for COS?

Yes. But whether or not Frontier gets it will rely - I assume - on the merits of the case, and it is the majority opinion on a.net that COS ain't worthy.

Since it hasn't happened, I don't know what the DOT thinks.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
In the LGA slot bid weren't they given an exception to be considered independent of Republic's holdings in order to classify them as a limited incumbent?

The DOT had accepted that Republic slots and Frontier slots were two separate issues.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
If they were to give those slots to DL, they will be trodding on dangerous ground.

I don't usually do hypotheticals, but who is "they"?
Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
DOT already determined that it will treat F9 branded operations differently from Republic in the slot application/award process. If they change the branding to Delta, that is a perversion of the process. These slots have always been operated for the benefit of a limited incumbent (YX and now F9). DL has the majority of LGA slots now. It is a big difference.

But you've got it all over me - I don't know that it is Delta and I don't know what the deal is.

IF it is Delta and IF what you say is happening is happening, then the DOT may well "have a conversation" with Republic.

I can't think of any reason why the DOT would have that conversation with Frontier.

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7720 posts, RR: 15
Reply 28, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 27):
Yes. But whether or not Frontier gets it will rely - I assume - on the merits of the case, and it is the majority opinion on a.net that COS ain't worthy.

If they don't get it, a good portion of the reason will be the DOT's lack of interest in awarding it again in a year when F9 decides COS is their newest abandoned focus city.

Quoting mariner (Reply 27):
The DOT had accepted that Republic slots and Frontier slots were two separate issues.

...and if the tea leaves and ScottB are correct, they will no longer be a separate issue.

Quoting mariner (Reply 27):
Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
If they were to give those slots to DL, they will be trodding on dangerous ground.

I don't usually do hypotheticals, but who is "they"?

Republic/Frontier are the same company until such time as they sell F9. Switching the branding from a limited incumbent to the dominant carrier in LGA is highly questionable from a competitive point of view because it throws into question whether F9 will brand any slots that it obtains going forward.

Quoting mariner (Reply 27):
IF it is Delta and IF what you say is happening is happening, then the DOT may well "have a conversation" with Republic.

Republic/F9? What's the difference?

Anyway, you implied before that these 8 slots are Air21. Are you sure of that? I suspect you are right that they are Air21. If that is correct, they would have to be returned and could not be moved to another route...unless the put a different code on the same flights, i.e. DL*.

BTW, to be fair to DL...if this is what is happening DL is very savvy. They would be killing like three birds with one stone and entrenching their control of LGA further. It's up to the regulators to stop it if they can.


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Reply 29, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4539 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
If they don't get it, a good portion of the reason will be the DOT's lack of interest in awarding it again in a year when F9 decides COS is their newest abandoned focus city.

I don't know that. You may think it, you may believe it, I don't see how you can claim to know it.

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
...and if the tea leaves and ScottB are correct, they will no longer be a separate issue.

I don't know what ScottB has said and I don't do tea leaves.

All I know is that from the time of the slot auction the DOT has accepted that the Frontier slots and the Republic slots are two separate issues.

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
Republic/F9? What's the difference?

The process of separation is starting to happen, right before out very eyes.

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
Anyway, you implied before that these 8 slots are Air21.

No sir, I did not. I haven't mentioned AIR21 slots or even alluded to them. Please don't put words in my mouth.

mariner

[Edited 2012-05-11 12:44:38]


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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 30, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
Are you sure of that? I suspect you are right that they are Air21.

LGA Air21 slots don't work this way. While Air21 legislation created additional slots at LGA that were given away by lottery, carriers are free to buy/sell these slots as desired and they are not tied to a specific route. Carriers like ATA and FL have had Air21 slots that were sold or purchased as part of an asset acquisition, but they have never been returned to the DOT.

DCA Air21 slots are a different story. They are tied to a specific carrier and a specific route.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 31, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAD-HPN JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0

Perhaps a casualty of the Colgan Air draw down


User currently offlineFutureuscapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

No shock here, but the "new" DL MSP-SYR will come at the expense of CVG-SYR which will end after 13Aug.

User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 33, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-ACC AUG 0.4>0.2 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0 DEC 0.5>0 JAN 0.4>0

Someone I know in ATL told me that this route has been doing poorly ever since it started.

UA called ACC quits out of IAD. Why would ACC do tremendously better out of ATL?


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 34, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

MW KOA-OGG JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11 OCT 10>11 NOV 10>11 JAN 10>11
MW OGG-KOA JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11 OCT 10>11 JAN 10>11

I asked this earlier and didn't get a response, so I'm trying this same question again. What is this service, what carrier offers 11 flights a day between KOA-OGG? Certainly not Maya Airways from Belize.



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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 33):

UA called ACC quits out of IAD. Why would ACC do tremendously better out of ATL?

Ostensibly because there would be better feed through the megahub, but even then it's hard to find good demand to an African country north of South Africa that doesn't have any oil. NBO is another story, but that was nixed due to security issues and will likely not be pursued until the price of fuel goes down.


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 35):
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 33):

UA called ACC quits out of IAD. Why would ACC do tremendously better out of ATL?

Ostensibly because there would be better feed through the megahub, but even then it's hard to find good demand to an African country north of South Africa that doesn't have any oil. NBO is another story, but that was nixed due to security issues and will likely not be pursued until the price of fuel goes down.

Exactly..additional cities that can be reached through ATL that can't be reached through UA's hub in IAD probably did not make the difference to make it work in the end.


User currently offlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 890 posts, RR: 14
Reply 37, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 34):
What is this service, what carrier offers 11 flights a day between KOA-OGG? Certainly not Maya Airways from Belize.

The cursor prompt result is wrong; MW is Mokulele Airlines. Maya (Maya Island Air, to be exact) is MY, according to the OAG.

yeo



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 38, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 37):
The cursor prompt result is wrong; MW is Mokulele Airlines. Maya (Maya Island Air, to be exact) is MY, according to the OAG.

yeo

Hey yeogeo, thanks I thought I was loosing my mind, but 11 flights a day between OGG & KOA, yet Go is only doing 8 flights HNL-OGG, and even less HNL-LIH, especially with WP and HA on the route too, heck even UA used to fly a 777 OGG-KOA once a day enroute to ORD. Does this market really require this much service, and this many carriers? I've flown OGG-KOA-OGG and never been on a totally full flight,this was back when AQ was flying.



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