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Norwegian Applies For US Service

LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51
Posted (1 year 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8610 times:

Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA, today applied with the DOT for issuance of a foreign air carrier permit to enable it to conduct services to the US.

Norwegian seeks both scheduled and charter authority for US points and beyond in accordance with the US-EU open skies agreement.

The application makes no mention of specific routes, or start up dates.

OST-2012-0075

Any guesses? I could certainly see a scheduled NYC route, and maybe charters down to Florida.

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California

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deltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1059 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8550 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Any guesses? I could certainly see a scheduled NYC route, and maybe charters down to Florida.

NYC and Bangkok has been announced as their first two longhaul destinations. Otherwise I think they intend to fill some voids to where SAS doesn't operate.

MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31106 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Any guesses? I could certainly see a scheduled NYC route, and maybe charters down to Florida.

New York is first, expected to be followed by Miami. The plan supposedly, as mentioned in other threads, is to hire FA's and base them (and I believe the planes, too) in the United States - cheaper labor than Scandinavia.

rotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8279 times:

I guess they are getting ready for those 787's coming aboard next year!!

Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):
I guess they are getting ready for those 787's coming aboard next year!!

Interesting times ahead.

So any chance these permits will not go through ?

signol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2948 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7827 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Norwegian seeks both scheduled and charter authority for US points and beyond in accordance with the US-EU open skies agreement.

Are Norway a party to the US-EU openskies agreement, as Norway is not part of the EU? I'd guess not, as surely they could operate what they like under openskies?

Therefore, then, what routes are being applied for?

signol

Flights booked: none :(

Polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

Quoting signol (Reply 5):
Are Norway a party to the US-EU openskies agreement, as Norway is not part of the EU? I'd guess not, as surely they could operate what they like under openskies?

Norway is part of the openskies agreement, but new airlines still must get the necessary permission and permits to begin flying into the US (or into Europe in the case of a US airline). Assuming all the paperwork is filled out correctly and the government thinks that Norwegian is ready and able to perform the flights, it will all be rubber stamped and they can fly wherever they want assuming they have the slots/gates.

LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

Norway falls under the US-EU Air Transport Agreement even though its not a direct member of the EU. Same with Iceland for instance.

Also regardless, an air carriers must still seek and meet the qualifications (ownership criteria, financial fitness, safety etc) to gain a foreign air carrier permit to enable it to conduct services to the US.
Once achieved while routes and frequencies would be not be restricted coming from open-skies participant there still remains the regulatory notification requirements to inform the US government of intended routes, frequencies etc.

[Edited 2012-05-11 20:57:36]

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California

af773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7375 times:

Probably not in the near future but I can always hope they come to MSP.

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asctty From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6736 times:

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Norwegian have mushroomed spectacularly in Europe ove the last few years. Is any proposed expansion into new markets not likely to put the whole business at risk? Their fleet is all B733/8 aircraft after all?

Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
...for US points and beyond...

Are they asking for 5th freedom rights?

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Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Quoting asctty (Reply 9):
Their fleet is all B733/8 aircraft after all?

They have Boeing 787-8 Dreamliners on the way and has also an order for 100 Airbus 320 NEO's Smile

[Edited 2012-05-12 04:15:50]

Alnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Expand or die! They have to do something to remain a viable entity going forward. If they can keep their cost low they will have the ability to fill the void of others that are falling by the wayside. I hope to see them in the USA. I love the colors of their planes.

Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

Quoting asctty (Reply 9):
Norwegian have mushroomed spectacularly in Europe ove the last few years. Is any proposed expansion into new markets not likely to put the whole business at risk? Their fleet is all B733/8 aircraft after all?

Quoting asctty (Reply 9):
They have Boeing 787-8 Dreamliners on the way and has also an order for 100 Airbus 320 NEO's

I forgot to mention that they also have an order for 100 Boeing 737 8 MAX

So:

Boeing 737 800
Boeing 737 800 MAX
Airbus 320 NEO
Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner

Their Boeing 737 300 is leaving their fleet.

[Edited 2012-05-12 06:06:04]

thenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1963 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5345 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 10):

Are they asking for 5th freedom rights?

To go where exactly?

5th freedom flights are only justifiable in a few markets worldwide, much less North America. Just because they have the right doesn't mean they will use it.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2012-05-12 06:28:03]

us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!

thegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2273 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5257 times:

Quoting Alnicocunife (Reply 12):
I love the colors of their planes.

Me too! I think it's currently the best livery out there...

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copenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

I have always thought it looked like they have not finished the painting.

B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16574 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 15):
Quoting Alnicocunife (Reply 12): I love the colors of their planes.
Me too! I think it's currently the best livery out there...

Quoting copenhagenboy (Reply 16):
I have always thought it looked like they have not finished the painting.

Some refer to it as "the flying tampon"

Work Hard, Fly Right

Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting copenhagenboy (Reply 16):
I have always thought it looked like they have not finished the painting.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 17):
Some refer to it as "the flying tampon"

Jealous Scandinavian brothers ...

solnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 783 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 17):
Some refer to it as "the flying tampon"

Now that U mention it it´s spot on! (fell of the chair laughing)

I wish them all the best and that Ryanair and EZY get competition in the Nordic countries bigthumbsup

Cheers

//Mike

[Edited 2012-05-12 09:21:45]

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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 10):
Are they asking for 5th freedom rights?

Not specifically, but such rights are included in the air-service agreement.

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California

B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16574 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 18):

Jealous Scandinavian brothers ...

Any reason why we should be jealous?

Work Hard, Fly Right

g2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 17):
. Some refer to it as "the flying tampon"

And some would say that their Scandinavian competitor seems to occupy another body entrance with the dirt and filth on its frame, giving the impression of another kind of plug......

For those who did not get the irony, It would be nice to discuss the topic and keep those kinds of comparison out if the discussion!

Anyone know the usual response time on such application? From what I've heard, reservations for New York are planned to open in October. That's not much time.

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