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Indian Aviation Thread: Part ९७ (97)  
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15840 times:

Well, Part 96 has hit 200 posts, so it's time for a new thread!

http://www.business-standard.com/ind...ts-blink-say-ready-to-talk/474161/

Air India contingency plan is clarified:

Quote:
Meanwhile, the airline plans to wet-lease four aircraft (which come with pilots and crew) and cut the number of flights to Europe and the US from 32 to 14 a day. “From Monday morning, we will operate flights according to the new contingency plan. We have sent a request to the airports in Europe and the US, where we operate, to allot us new slots and their replies are expected by Saturday afternoon,” said Brara. He said the domestic operations were hassle-free.

The wet-leased craft would be used to operate five more flights. “A final plan will be ready by tomorrow, when we get the clearance for slots from the airports and from the leasing companies,” he added.

Due to the agitation, AI has lost Rs 48 crore in revenue and has had to spend Rs 20 crore more in providing accommodation and other facilities to stranded passengers.

In addition to the wet-lease aircraft, AI is planning to operate as many flights as possible using management pilots and a small amount of ICPA pilots who are certified on the 777/747. In addition, AI is asking some pilots who took early retirement to return for a few days until this situation is sorted out. That might mean some 747s going to unusual destinations - a nice opportunity for spotters to see the beautiful bird.

[Edited 2012-05-11 15:19:01]


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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15781 times:

From the previous thread:


That's what I was saying. Don't let them contact you with alternatives. YOU tell THEM then alternative you want to get booked on, get it endorsed over, and then go to the new carrier and finish the process. It takes 15-20 minutes (plus hold times), but then you're done.


--> I didn't know you could do that! Well, you learn something new on a.net every day!   but the issue I faced was that the person on the phone claimed that they weren't part of the rebooking/refund department and there was no way I could be transferred to them!


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15767 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 1):
I didn't know you could do that! Well, you learn something new on a.net every day! but the issue I faced was that the person on the phone claimed that they weren't part of the rebooking/refund department and there was no way I could be transferred to them!

There is no such thing as a rebooking department. Air Carriers have interline agreements with each other, which do lots of functions, like allowing you to book multiple airlines on a single ticket. Air India, being a legacy carrier, has interline agreements with most other major (non-LCC) carriers in the world.

When trouble occurs (called IRROPS or irregular operations in the industry), airlines can "endorse" your ticket over to another carrier which it has an interline agreement with. That carrier would accept the value of the ticket you bought in order to transport you. This is mutually beneficial for the original carrier (gets customer off their back to their destination, hopefully to customer's satisfaction), the new carrier (another seat is filled), and the passengers (gets to destination).

If you see a flight with availability that you want to go on, you should go to Air India and patiently demand that your ticket be endorsed to the new routing which you want (assuming the new carrier is willing to accept the ticket).

Obviously this is a gross oversimplification, but I'm not really sure how to explain more in detail without writing a book or something.

However, one thing which is useful to know - normally, only the carrier which ticketed you (usually which you are going to fly on) can endorse your ticket. However, in Star Alliance (and I think the other alliances too, but I'm not sure), any Star Alliance airline can endorse your ticket. If Air India had joined Star Alliance already, instead of having to beg Air India to endorse your ticket, you could simply go to say, Lufthansa, and ask them to "take control" of your ticket so you can be rebooked onto LH.



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15753 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 2):


Thank you for that explanation. I'll keep this in mind if I ever get stuck in this sort of a situation again!


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15745 times:
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Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 2):
However, in Star Alliance (and I think the other alliances too, but I'm not sure), any Star Alliance airline can endorse your ticket. If Air India had joined Star Alliance already, instead of having to beg Air India to endorse your ticket, you could simply go to say, Lufthansa, and ask them to "take control" of your ticket so you can be rebooked onto LH.

I'm sorry, but I think you are oversimplifying matters here.

First of all, not all tickets on *A carriers are freely changeable to another *A carrier, secondly, the endorsement has to be done by the issuing carrier ( unless the fare is of a type which is valid on all *A carriers) .

Even if AI were a member of *A if a ticket on their stock carries an endorsement stating 'valid on AI only' ( and I can virtually guarantee that some fares will have similar endorsements to that) LH cannot just decide to 'take over' the ticket.... unless they are happy to fly the AI pax for free. On the other hand, if AI as the ticket 'owner' are prepared to endorse that ticket over to another carrier ( whether that carrier is *A or someone else) that is their prerogative. ( Though they may be very reluctant to do so as the other carrier , depending on what agreements exist between them and AI, may bill them for far more than the pax actually paid to AI in the first place)

I think you may be getting confused by the fact that tickets which are issued for actual *A alliance fare products ( such as RTW, Circle Pacific and so on) require no endorsement between *A carriers. This does not mean that I can take a UA issued ticket for say, NRT-SIN, and decide that regardless of any restrictions on the fare, I will go over to SQ and get them to endorse it and accept me for carriage if the UA flight is disrupted for some reason.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15737 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 4):

I'm sorry, but I think you are oversimplifying matters here.

No need to apologize - I know I'm oversimplifying, I just don't know how to explain it better.

However, I suggest you go do some reading on "Star Alliance Endorsement Waiver"

It's incredibly useful to know.

Edit: link for you
http://www.starallianceemployees.com...eference_guide/rg_ticketing.1.html

[Edited 2012-05-11 17:45:15]


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15697 times:
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Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 5):
However, I suggest you go do some reading on "Star Alliance Endorsement Waiver"

It's incredibly useful to know.

Edit: link for you
http://www.starallianceemployees.com....html

It is indeed useful, and I would certainly recommend reading it

for example it mentions that the endorsement waiver applies:

provided that:
A. such tickets or MCOs do not bear carrier validation restrictions, which by their terms prohibit the transfer of the ticket or MCOs such as “Valid on XX only” and “Non-Endorsable”;
B. such tickets or MCOs are not governed by fare rules that prohibit transfer of the ticket to the other party.


This is very important because many tickets issued by member carriers will contain such endorsements. Don't get me wrong, it is a useful programme for dealing with irrops, but it is far from being a blanket waiver covering all tickets issued by all *A carriers.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15692 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 6):


This is very important because many tickets issued by member carriers will contain such endorsements. Don't get me wrong, it is a useful programme for dealing with irrops, but it is far from being a blanket waiver covering all tickets issued by all *A carriers.

This whole discussion was about how to handle IRROPS:

As it says on the website:
When an airline undergoes a schedule change or encounters an irregularity in accordance with the general provisions of IATA Resolution 735D, the two Star Alliance member carriers agree to grant airport control (and thereby waive the endorsement requirement) for the following:
A. non-restricted tickets;
B. restricted tickets;
C. frequent flyer redemption tickets.
No endorsement required for any fare types when an airline encounters an irregular operation (within 24 hours of departure).
Does not apply to ID tickets.


Therefore, with the exception of SQ (which I should have mentioned), it should work in all IRROPS cases that I can imagine a (non-staff) passenger to be in.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15520 times:

Whats the news on Volks & quikjet status.


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15518 times:

I'll give Volk a call on Monday asking for an update. I've got Radhika Rao's cell number, but I wouldn't want to get her pissed off at me for not calling during business hours...

As for Quikjet, I have not heard any new developments in a while. I think they are still waiting on funding.

I haven't heard anything about Air Costa (LEPL) either - they were hoping to launch this autumn last I heard. I'd think they'd be trying to sell tickets/get publicity if they want to launch so soon.



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User currently offlineBSLFRA From Germany, joined Feb 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15485 times:

Air India flying normally FRA-DEL-FRA
Today we have a
AI 127 Chicago 08:30 Estimated departure 12:30


User currently offlineBSLFRA From Germany, joined Feb 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15479 times:

Arrival news in Frankfurt today
AI 121 Delhi 06:55 Expected arrival 11:30


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15466 times:

Well, at least it's operating. This is a good sign.

Hopefully more pilots will arrive at work tonight.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15457 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 9):

Has Volks got their AOP already.....



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15450 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):

Whats the news on Volks & quikjet status.

It says they have/going to have 12 A320s. Where are they getting them from? There is no solid news I find about them anywhere. And the seat plan has a 3 class layout. I'm sorry but is that going to work on domestic Indian routes?



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15442 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):

Has Volks got their AOP already.....

Lol, they haven't even gotten an NOC, forget AOP.

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 14):

It says they have/going to have 12 A320s. Where are they getting them from? There is no solid news I find about them anywhere. And the seat plan has a 3 class layout. I'm sorry but is that going to work on domestic Indian routes?

I'm skeptical. I'll request an interview when I call Monday, hopefully some more light can be shed on the airline.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15196 times:

Any news on when Spicejet is planning to start flights to new destinations that they've planned, I believe they are waiting until further 737 deliveries, or will they increase their current fleet utilization?

If they start BKK HKG DXB, I'm expecting some very competitive airfare wars with the local budget airlines flying from these destinations... That coupled with the uncertainty of AI and KF international flights and SG is looking at a modest expansion in the near future.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2962 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15192 times:

According to the GDS, Effective 01 September CX will increase HKG - MAA from 4 weekly to daily flights using an A333. There has been a recent amendment in the HKG - India bilateral wherein airlines like SG, 6E have been given rights to fly to HKG. Also KA has filed for HKG - CCU flights using an A320.


A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep
User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15187 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 17):
Also KA has filed for HKG - CCU flights using an A320.

KA might just be the first new airline planning CCU flights with the new terminal in mind. Expecting more such CCU-centred aviation news in the months to come.....   



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2962 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14999 times:

According to the GDS, Effective 07th June 9W to increase flights between BOM and KWI from daily to 11 weekly.

9W 574 BOM - KWI 2145 2320 Th, Fr, Sa, Su
9W 573 KWI - BOM 0030 0705 Mo, Fr, Sa, Su

Aircraft: B737-800



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14872 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 15):

Lol, they haven't even gotten an NOC, forget AOP.

Exactly.....Why I was wondering.....Nothings on line then why the noise.....  



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14762 times:

Fly first, talks later: Government to striking Air India pilots.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...ia-pilots/articleshow/13138558.cms

Quote:
"Fly first, talks later" was Government's firm message to striking Air India pilots refusing to resume work for the seventh day today, as the airline stopped West-bound bookings for another two days and contemplated suspending global operations.

As losses in the wake of the agitation by over 200 pilots of the Indian Pilots Guild crossed over Rs.150 crore, 14 international flights were cancelled, bringing no end to the woes of the passengers.

The airline, which had stopped taking bookings for flights to North America and Europe till Tuesday, extended the period till May 17, airline officials said. One of the options being mulled is shutting international operations temporarily till a resolution to the stir is reached, they said.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14746 times:

So AI is still desparately trying to lease out some of its surplus 777s? They are trying to do so since 1 1/2 years or so, but there are no takers.

User currently offlinevikramv1 From India, joined Jul 2011, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14527 times:

Jet Airways is cancelling its Mumbai- Bahrain service from 16th June 2012, citing poor profitability.

http://airliners1.com/2012/05/jet-ai...-intl-ops-cancels-bahrain-service/


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14513 times:

Quoting na (Reply 22):
So AI is still desparately trying to lease out some of its surplus 777s? They are trying to do so since 1 1/2 years or so, but there are no takers.

Yes.

Every time they find a lessee, they have to go through the whole government approval process (which takes 6+ months), by which time the lessee's situation has changed or they found a new lessor.

AI really needs to be exempted from these bureaucratic time-wastes. The amount of money the inefficiency calls them is staggering.



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25 Post contains links and images Heavierthanair : G´day I just found this bit on Air India pilots having been sacked http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...rvices-as-strikes-continue-371912/ Quote: A
26 comorin : I notice airfares are pretty high - BLR-DEL around Rs 15K. Is this normal or because of the AI and IT debacle?
27 aeroblogger : No Indian Airlines (ICPA) pilots have been sacked. Only IPG (Air India International) pilots.
28 Post contains links LAXDESI : It seems that the AI pilots union is unwilling to call off the strike before the terminated pilots are taken back first. Is there any chance that some
29 Post contains links and images aeroblogger : Well, everyone was slamming the IPG over this strike, but I decided to write a piece from their position (I will write a piece from management positio
30 golfradio : I don't get it. Are there still two contracts, one for the IPG and one for the ICPA? Wasn't the seniority list merged? If not this merger is a cluste
31 aeroblogger : Everything has been merged except for labor. Cabin Crews, Pilots, and Maintenance/Engineering are still separated. Much like US Airways was for the l
32 golfradio : I can understand their beef. They literally got shafted on this one. Though I am anti union and don't support strikes, I can understand where they are
33 Post contains links LAXDESI : No end to Air India pilots' stir; High Court warns of contempt action. IPG may file an appeal with the Supreme Court. http://economictimes.indiatimes.
34 vtnyc : That is his opinion. One or a dozen people saying it does not make it so. In the face of competition form behemoths like EK, LH, BA not to mention em
35 golfradio : The bottom line is both the airlines were *profitable*. Except for EK, none of the other airlines were profitable. The seamless connectivity could ha
36 vivekman2006 : How big is the HKG-CCU market? Also, I don't think a 738 or an A320 can do DEL/BOM/MAA - HKG, can they? If not, then how would SG & 6E benefit fr
37 vivekman2006 : AI domestic doesn't seem to have been affected much. The domestic aircraft are all ex-IC A32x flown by ex-IC pilots who are not on strike. Apr-June i
38 WestWing : Looks like the 787 delivery will actually happen this month - based on the flurry of reports that were critical of the email that the Civil Aviation M
39 robk : VT-ANH set for 29 May. VT-AND has slipped to mid June.
40 aeroblogger : Source?
41 comorin : Thank you Vivek. I have been in BLR for the last few months and planning trips to SIN and DEL. I guess the rock bottom fares will return after the ho
42 aeroblogger : Yes to first part, no to second. They're still flying, but I wouldn't step anywhere near one of their planes.
43 comorin : Thanks - though I was concerned about cancellation risk...
44 aeroblogger : It's not just cancellation risk. Staff are demotivated, cabins are in tatters (I'd rather not think about what the state of their maintenance departm
45 Post contains links LAXDESI : SpiceJet snatches No 3 slot from Air India in April. Indigo seems to be galloping towards no.1 spot. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...-in-april/
46 Post contains links LAXDESI : Stories of how AI employees stole from the airline. http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3436439.ece?homepage=true Quote: Even as Air India st
47 HAWK21M : Bz/DHL to get its next B752PCF next month..... VT-BDO. mgmt needs to get things working......fast....
48 vivekman2006 : What's the fleet like now? Are the 732Fs still operational?
49 HAWK21M : The Last Two B732SFs will retire in 2013.In addition its the 2 B752SF & 3 B752PCF.
50 Post contains links LAXDESI : 4 more Air India pilots report for work. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/4-more-ai...ort-for-work-sources/259975-3.html Quote: Four more Air India pilots h
51 Post contains links LAXDESI : Induction of Boeing 787 Dreamliner delayed by 2 weeks. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...y-2-weeks/articleshow/13396084.cms Quote: The prime reas
52 Post contains links lightsaber : Spicejet and Indigo are growing rather quickly. Now that its broken two weeks, it still looks bad... I'm hearing news that India (not AI, India the n
53 Post contains links LAXDESI : I don't expect the IPG(AI pilot union) to go back to work unless its demand to revoke termination of many pilots is met first. It seems that AI mgmt.
54 goacom : Lightsaber, AI is not an airline, but a plaything of the ruling party of the day. As such, it will continue to enjoy patronage and support from the g
55 Post contains links LAXDESI : CAG hints at $30 billion scam in Delhi airport deal. http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-...-airport-deal/Article1-859905.aspx Quote: The Comptroller
56 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I suspect politics will come into play limiting the number of terminated pilots. That is an impressive sum. I hope for the Indian economy's sake that
57 goacom : First of all, they need to figure out this merger issue between AI and IA. There are still way too many conflicts of interests between the original u
58 Post contains links LAXDESI : Air India to reinstate pilots if they resume work: Ajit Singh. It is a win for AI if former Indian Airlines pilot can train for and fly B787s. http://
59 BLRAviation : More classic capitulation by the government and forcing this on to the management. No wonder the AI bosses are so emasculated in front of these goon
60 HAWK21M : Exactly.....This drama is like the petrol hike......First the hike then a partial roll back.... In this case....First strike,create confusion & lo
61 aeroblogger : *yawn* I'm sure you can find unethical employees at any airline Not really sure what you mean - apart from HR integration, the merger is pretty much
62 goacom : With AI, it is not just ethics (or lack of), but also sheer incompetence. Since getting a job at AI (as with most govt. jobs) is a function of who yo
63 aeroblogger : Now that's a stereotype if I've ever seen one. While getting admittance into AI can be done through corruption (through manipulation of government qu
64 goacom : You are only talking about the pilots. However, the bulk of the staff in any airline are not the pilots. Almost no passenger ever has to interface wi
65 goacom : I believe that IT was doomed even before it took on DN. If IT was smart, they would have adopted DN's lean model. IT was just too prolifigate in its
66 aeroblogger : Fair enough. I agree, IT was completely overstaffed. AI runs some of the better MROs in India, so I wouldn't be so quick to criticize the maintenance
67 bestwestern : I agree. In the early days service on IT was fantastic, and it truly earned a five star status. Y class service on IT was far superior to any Europea
68 BLRAviation : Rohit, in other airlines it is a few black sheep surrounded by mostly white sheep. At Air India, its a few white sheep being hounded by all the black
69 aeroblogger : I disagree, assuming you're discussing the same topic I was. I think that people have a tendency of overinflating their perception of the number of "
70 Post contains links and images aviationbuff : View Large View MediumPhoto © Bernie LeightonView Large View MediumPhoto © chiral The revised livery is 787 specific or will be applied to all aircr
71 aeroblogger : All 787s will have white engines. No change to rest of fleet.
72 COEWR787 : I have read in several places that 787 engines must have the standard white paint provided by Boeing in order to meet the requirements for performanc
73 Post contains links JOYA380B747 : Seems Jet is actually going the Star alliance way, according to this piece of news Quote: In addition to increasing frequencies to existing destinatio
74 aeroblogger : 0.000001%. And thank god for that.
75 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Agreed. I see room for one high end Indian carrier. IT should have cut costs... too late. One could only hope so. 9W has an excellent reputation. I a
76 JOYA380B747 : Why not, do you want that no non-LC Indian airline be allowed to expand their international presence. From what it looks like, 9W is the only airline
77 Tomassjc : Also noticed on the AI 787 the lack of the thin red cheat line on the fuselage, as well as no longer carrying Air India titles on tail. I must admit,
78 aeroblogger : I'm sure everyone knows my position re: Star Alliance. My hope is that GoI forces AI instead on * throat at their own conditions and forbids explicitl
79 Post contains links lightsaber : Why? *A will choose whom they wish. AI had years to comply and join *A and was given multiple extensions on *A standard timeline. You're focusing on
80 Post contains links and images lightsaber : India may bar Europe carriers in climate tax row http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...e-tax-row/articleshow/13524807.cms That is an interesting twis
81 aeroblogger : Fair enough - I am focusing on when the deal fell apart. It just galls me that *A would back out of its commitments after AI actually got their act t
82 BLRAviation : Sorry to begin the week on a negative note. "Your friends" may have pulled "thousands" of jobs out of India for many reasons, but shortage of airline
83 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I can understand that. But the legal time frame expired (again). *A didn't so much as exclude AI as not extend again. I hope not. There is a book on
84 Nimish : AI might say it had it's act together, and *A might say it did not, and I don't know who's right. But I'd rather trust LH/*A than AI - after all AI h
85 LJ : I think you should add the word "profitability" to your last sentence. I've been amazed about the fact that everyone finds Jet Airways so great. Howe
86 AirIndia : more like a bout of ecstacy and dispair. Ecstatic to hope to see competition go but dispair at exhausted bilateral allotments....
87 Post contains images aeroblogger : 9W is unprofitable for a variety of reasons. India has high taxes compared to other countries, and a very price-sensitive market. However, Indian pas
88 BLRAviation : You are right that there is economic impact. For sure the extranet of vendors to Air India will be hurting, but in an equal key the economic impact o
89 Post contains images aeroblogger : The effects of the strike are limited not only because of the plethora of other options, but also because AI is liberally sending its pax (not sure a
90 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Since the other airlines now have the rights to fly more international, are there any examples of approved routes (granted bilateral rights)? Any new
91 Post contains images aeroblogger : Not GoI dragging its feet - it's the carriers. In this operating climate, expansion is being considered very carefully. AI's loads and yields were pi
92 BLRAviation : Actually LS, the Indian economy has changed drastically. India is loosing "techno-coolie" jobs to Philippines. This is a big reason why the internati
93 lightsaber : First, thank you for your informative post. I found it enlightening. I didn't realize "techno-coolie" jobs were going to the Philippines. Normally I
94 vin2basketball : Ideally, BOM will get this right with their new integrated terminal for 2014/15, and then hopefully 9W will finally structure their large BOM operati
95 lightsaber : That would be an excellent opportunity and should help 9W's bottom line. MAA has much potential. However, unlocking some of that potential requires a
96 Post contains links and images BLRAviation : My pleasure, and thanks for the patient reading. Voice jobs are going to Philippines, process jobs are going to Vietnam. Malaysia is also more proces
97 Post contains images aeroblogger : Very nice post Devesh. I learned a lot . I was going to add you to my respected users list, but then I realized that you were already there I see that
98 Post contains links and images BLRAviation : Is that the Aamir Khan programme on Star? Sorry don't watch it. Know Dr. Shetty for last 20 years since he did my dad's bypass surgery and became goo
99 Post contains links BLRAviation : http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...onomy/logistics/article3466043.ece
100 aeroblogger : Yes, that program. Although I normally watch on DD... Well, he was featured this weekend. Seems like he's doing some great work... Will definitely ke
101 Post contains images BLRAviation : Both articles which demonstrate the politics, compulsions, and shades of grey I was referring to ? But do read the SBI article. The Chairman goes on
102 Post contains images aeroblogger : yep Kingfisher is already dead. It's not theirs to kill any more.
103 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Thank you for the informative post. Welcome to my RU list. (I had to find people who quit a.net to make room!) quote=BLRAviation,reply=98]If I may su
104 Post contains images aeroblogger : Definitely it would be better off it if was liquidated - they are losing money on ops as this "small functioning entity" - money that is being wasted
105 Post contains links lightsaber : The issue is its on on/off type of priority. For example, for the chemical and pharma industries in India, it was critical to expand to the current b
106 aeroblogger : It would help the Indian economy overall. The likelyhood of GoI suddenly adopting a bilateral strategy sadly is probably on the low side though...
107 golfradio : IIRC, there was a plan by AI to bring back CD as an LCC. Is that still on?
108 aeroblogger : Is the plan on? Who knows. Has it been implemented? Not really. CD is working as a regional feeder right now, which quite honestly is exactly what is
109 BLRAviation : Thanks so very much. I am honoured. Almost everyone looks at KFA only in its current form and whether a buyer will get returns considering a large de
110 lightsaber : You make a good point. I still do not see paying in full. But the banks would do better with a partial payment. You make arguments that validate a la
111 vtnyc : While at JFK on 5/28, heard KU 102, JFK-LHR-KWI also being announced as AI 6xxx code share flight. Guess it's to accommodate the passenger bumped due
112 aeroblogger : Air India has codeshare agreements with: LH SQ OZ KU OS SA SU UL LX ET TK MK These are long term agreements.
113 vtnyc : Ah, I get it now... The code share is only for the JFK-LHR and LHR-JFK sectors on days 2, 4, 6 to compensate for the withdrawal of service on the hist
114 goacom : I agree. Which is yet another reason why AI would be better off if it were privatized, rather than being managed by politicians. However, since there
115 Post contains links LAXDESI : In the absence of additional capacity from a new bilateral, EK will be forced to consider codeshares with Indian carriers to increase capacity. http:/
116 Post contains links goacom : A recent article about Air India. Old news to most of us here..... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...amliner-debut-corporate-india.html I think t
117 aeroblogger : Attributing all of this to the merger is not accurate - the entire operating climate of India has changed drastically from even a few years ago. That
118 Post contains links goacom : I would definitely not say that all of AI's problems are attributable to the merger. Far from it. The fundamental issue is that it is run by bureaucr
119 lightsaber : Where are they getting the cash?!? As your link noted, who in their right mind would loan IT money? The credit of India is BBB- (lowest investment gr
120 vin2basketball : The numbers say that if Air India priced like a private carrier (i.e. without GoI backing them so that Air India would have to price closer to costs)
121 Post contains links goacom : Looks like AI is joining IT in "delaying" salaries to its employees! Air India strike losses to cause delay in staff's salary payments http://articles
122 lightsaber : That isn't new. They're using the strike as an excuse not to make good on that bill. I personally think the AI employees have a far better chance of
123 HAWK21M : Undoubtly......thanks to the Taxpayers....
124 Post contains links LAXDESI : Civil aviation ministry takes steps on Air India-Indian Airlines integration. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...tegration/articleshow/13712357.cm
125 Post contains links LAXDESI : Indian Pilots Guild ready to set aside demands if recognition is restored. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...-restored/articleshow/13742012.cms Q
126 JohnClipper : Can anyone assist in advising which AI A310s and 747s have been stored in DEL and BOM. I was there in Fabruary and AI had a lot of aircraft in storage
127 HAWK21M : Noticed the Ex Aryan air A310 stored there yesterday at BOM.
128 vin2basketball : Inventory on Jet Airways' Brussels-New York has been zeroed out from 11th September, 2012. Flight still appears in the schedules, but it looks like it
129 JOYA380B747 : Have these new routes (DEL-BRU-ORD, BLR-BRU-SFO) been officially given by 9W yet, because I can't recall they did. Also isn't doing SFO westwards kin
130 aeroblogger : No, those routes are just speculation. Not really. The difference is small in the grand scheme of things. The fact that 9W already has an established
131 Flying Belgian : It'd be a very very tight timing frame if 9W ever decides to launch a BRU-SFO-BRU flight. You need two planes fully dedicated to fly a daily Europe-Ca
132 JOYA380B747 : Joining Star doesn't necessarily have to mean move to LH hubs, the fact that Star's Brussels airlines is at BRU covering Rest of Europe and many Afri
133 aeroblogger : It would definitely be tight, but it would be doable. And the loads and yields are there. Yes, I wouldn't be surprised to see an EWR upgauge.
134 Post contains links BLRAviation : Jet Airways website is showing BRU-JFK flights operating beyond 11/Sep. I tried to do a booking and it even gave fares, and shows Jet A330 operating t
135 aeroblogger : Yeah, it's been reloaded into GDS. Another flip-flop by 9W. First BAH, then KWI, then SHJ, and now JFK. This is ridiculous.
136 vtnyc : ummm, could it not be just regular maintenance? There never was a press release announcing the cancellations. The anet community, and in particular t
137 aeroblogger : It's not cheap to load/unload schedules from GDS. Most airlines don't do it until they are sure of the schedule.
138 BLRAviation : Actually, hard as it is to believe the shortest connections between India and SFO, most especially from BLR and MAA, the two main Indian points feedi
139 Post contains links vikramv1 : So the latest the past hour on two fronts are as follows: The Aviation minister has told IPG basically to get lost if they want any terms to get back
140 AirIndia : Thats some solid stance. He shd be made PM immediately.......... It is time Air India has someone who can standup to such ransoms.....
141 aeroblogger : You're joking, right? He has caused hundreds of crores of damage to Air India. The job of management is to stand up to the unions. The job of the Min
142 na : AI claimed that Boeing should pay because the planes are late and that damages business. Now AI didnt want to take them until Boeing pays compensatio
143 aeroblogger : It makes plenty of sense to me. Getting 787s ASAP is very important to AI. However, once delivery is taken, AI loses almost all leverage over compens
144 na : I know most 744s have been removed from daily service but are all kept in ready-to-fly condition. Arent two 744s reserved for government flights? As
145 aeroblogger : Yes. No. The 77Ls and 77Ws will stay in service, although utilization levels will probably drop somewhat.
146 COEWR787 : This puzzles me. Aren't utilization levels already somewhat low? How will they ever make money if they sit more on the ground than fly with revenue p
147 aeroblogger : That's a great question. AI doesn't have an answer (or if they do, I haven't heard it). But their choice is launching new destinations/increasing fre
148 vikramv1 : I wouldn't call it undrutilized. I would call it poor planning of utilisation. For whatever it's worth, the 787 will help the airline financially wit
149 goacom : In investing, past performance is no guarantee for future performance, but I can comfortably predict that so long as the government remains in charge
150 aeroblogger : Why? It has the best product of the Indian carriers....
151 JOYA380B747 : Unfortunately the Indian travelers are so price sensitive (even Rs 500 makes a difference) that they really don't care which airline they are traveli
152 Post contains links JOYA380B747 : http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...rs-report/articleshow/13881752.cms Quote: A recently released government report admits that airports at Dubai,
153 lightsaber : It is indeed old news. Those airports do not have a monopoly on creating the transit experience, but their 'world class' airports really help. In man
154 Post contains links LAXDESI : Recent news reports suggest that DEL is one of the most expensive airports, which would make it difficult to compete against other carriers with less
155 JOYA380B747 : Add to this list the willingness of the government to develop all of the above, let open the skies over the country, so that every airline and every
156 AirIndia : In my first statement, yes. is that of a policy maker literally, however you know how it is in India. AI management is but a rubber stamp.
157 HAWK21M : Get in privatisation & the Stamp grip will loosen.
158 goacom : As I have said before, I have almost never had a positive experience with AI. Also almost everyone I know has had poor experiences with AI. AI is gre
159 aeroblogger : Hardly. AI's on time rate is over 80%, in line with competitors like SpiceJet. 6E is doing a lot better, because they have a better run operation...
160 Post contains links goacom : No it is not! In my 40+ years of air travel, I have never experienced such practices. To make matters worse, I was travelling with two infants who en
161 aeroblogger : And this is your problem. Your perception is outdated. There is very little similarity in AI's operations in 2005 and its operations in the last few
162 Post contains links LAXDESI : Policy to promote DEL and MAA as hubs. http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report...ennai-to-get-aviation-hubs_1699038 Quote: To turn India into an aviation
163 aeroblogger : I don't see MAA becoming a hub with the current state of infrastructure there.
164 Post contains links ojas : Spicejet Announces Flights To DXB From BOM And DEL (by ojas Jun 7 2012 in Civil Aviation) Spicejet announces daily flights to DXB from BOM and DEL.
165 Post contains links BLRAviation : SpiceJet is commencing BOM-DXB and DEL-DXB flights. I have written the full details here. http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...o-commence-dubai-flig
166 HAWK21M : Why not Ozar....
167 na : I very much doubt so. Doubling the capacity is not what I expect AI to achieve in a few years. High chance they´ll be forced to sell or lease out so
168 aeroblogger : Yes, they are trying to get rid of the 77Ls, because their economics quite frankly suck. However, if they can't, AI will keep the aircraft in service
169 BLRAviation : Rohit, you have this backwards. As you know I have 20+ years of air freighting experience. Pallet "shaving" occurs on freight being loaded on to a pa
170 goacom : You have to be joking right? I had relatives fly on AI from the gulf this very year and their flight was something like 8 hours late. They choose AI
171 goacom : Bingo. You said it right. This was a flight from the gulf - relative paradise for cheap electronics. We saw dozens of huge flat screen TVs and electr
172 JOYA380B747 : Not to mention the state of public transportation link between the city and the airport at MAA. Sticking to the process of Govt trying to make (at le
173 aeroblogger : I wouldn't be surprised either. I'm just saying that offloaded baggage is not uncommon. It's the handling afterwards which is important, and SATS dro
174 sankaps : I think AI domestic (ie, former IC) is much more reliable than AI Int'l. Most of the complaints are with AI Int'l. How to they define and measure OTP
175 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : I hope its not too much to ask but do you have any recent shots of CCU new terminal like you showed us last time?
176 aeroblogger : Very true. I think it is when the flight arrives within 15 minutes of schedule. There is some advance warning time for reschedule, otherwise it count
177 Post contains images lightsaber : The problem is that AI has had enough strikes and other issues that there hasn't been a time to send out the "we've changed" message and have it beli
178 aeroblogger : Very true. No. There aren't even talks going on.
179 Post contains links LAXDESI : Agra may soon get international air terminal. http://zeenews.india.com/news/uttar-...rnational-air-terminal_780749.html Quote: Taj city Agra may soon
180 aeroblogger : There is not sufficient demand to support international flights to Agra, regardless of what they want to call the airport.
181 JOYA380B747 : I agree, this is a stupid move to make Agra international, at a time when Govt is itself thinking of making Delhi a major hub. Does the Govt forget t
182 Post contains links LAXDESI : Air India gears up for further crackdown, may sack remaining striking. About time. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ng-pilots/articleshow/140039
183 aeroblogger : There were more sackings this morning. The count is up to 110 or so.
184 LAXDESI : The UPA needs to keep Samajwadi party in good humor in case Mamta Banerjee withdraws support.
185 tharanga : to where would an airline fly from Agra? what's the point of being in power, if this is the way you have to rule?
186 Post contains links and images lightsaber : It sounds like 'hardball.' As if AI will just move on: " Calling the strike a closed chapter, aviation minister Ajit Singh on Wednesday said Air Indi
187 vin2basketball : I mean if you marketed it as "The Gateway to the Taj Mahal" or heck even "Taj Mahal International Airport" Then maybe a Euro charter like Thomson or
188 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : Because they don't have 'idealism' in their dictionary. then for that sole thomas cook flight....
189 aeroblogger : AI is at 14.7 IPG pilots per IPG-operated aircraft, when you consider the IX aircraft they operate. If you subtract the pilots currently training for
190 Post contains links LAXDESI : Jet Airways is in alliance talks with both Star Alliance and Sky Team as per Goyal. Is it possible for Jet to join Star before(or without) AI joining
191 aeroblogger : Unlikely. 9W could join ST before AI joins Star with limited difficulty though...
192 JOYA380B747 : If they join ST, does that mean they have to shift base to AMS or would they continue their BRU hub?
193 aeroblogger : There was talk of an MXP hub instead of AMS. But yes, I think it would be likely that they would move to a SkyTeam hub.
194 LAXDESI : Past reports suggest that ST was offering a JV, but Jet was leaning towards STAR. I wonder if STAR can get away with offering JV to Jet, but not AI.
195 goacom : Yet another example of the GOI trying to stack the deck against private airlines!
196 Post contains links lightsaber : The issue is *A doesn't want AI anymore. They were given 3 years to complete the 90 day process... It would look silly if Skyteam does a press releas
197 Post contains links LAXDESI : Thread on 9W. 9W To Induct 9 A330-300? (by LAXDESI Jun 11 2012 in Civil Aviation)
198 aeroblogger : It's hardly a 90 day process. You're seeing a lot of the problems which AI faced in Garuda's ascension to SkyTeam right now... Upgrading antique IT s
199 kiwiandrew : and you know this how ?
200 aeroblogger : The information is second-hand, but it comes from a reliable source. He was quoting some guy named Rakesh Goel, who is a manager at AI's IT or someth
201 kiwiandrew : A reliable source ... except that you aren't even sure which department this reliable source works in. If they are from the IT department they might
202 aeroblogger : Of course I do. the reliable source works in market planning. He told me that Rakesh Goel told him that AI was *A compliant IT-wise, and that it woul
203 kiwiandrew : OK, so, in summary, someone who works in market planning told you that someone who "is a manager at AI's IT or something" told him that AI was compli
204 Post contains links AirIndia : http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...tim-clark/articleshow/14070595.cms Need more than 49% FDI
205 aeroblogger : Er, no. Let me copy and paste the email, which I got last December: The letter then goes on to talk about various other topics, mostly relating to ma
206 kiwiandrew : I admire your belief in your friends, and your faith in AI, and if by some miracle they ever end up in *A I will be the first to admit that you told
207 aeroblogger : I never said that AI will end up in *A. It would be no surprise to me if AI management and Star Alliance never come to an agreement. However, I am co
208 aeroblogger : The fact that EK's CEO wants 100% FDI is no surprise. The fact that GoI is unlikely to even allow 49% FDI, forget 100%, is also no surprise. Basicall
209 Post contains links LAXDESI : THIS THREAD IS CLOSED. PLEASE GO TO PART 98. Indian Aviation Thread: Part 98 (by LAXDESI Jun 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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