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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 48  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15783 times:




THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XLVIII

"Tribute to LADECO in Central America"

LADECO which was an acronym of Lineas Aereas del Cobre was a Chilean airline that began operations to Central America during the early 90s.
I think the former LAN Chile served Panama City some years before, but the credit for LADECO consisted in the discovery of the untapped market between Central America and Santiago de Chile. For example in 1993, when LADECO flew to Central America, neither LACSA nor COPA sustained flights to Chile, if I recall correctly. Once LADECO was purchased by LAN Chile, their operations ceased in the isthmus and the market was overtaken by CM PTY-SCL, LR SJO-LIM-SCL and LR SJO-PTY-LIM-SCL around the mid 90s.
CM PTY-SCL goes from 21x to 28x weekly in June, in conjunction with [TA/LR SJO-LIM-SCL 7x weekly + TA LIM-SCL 3x weekly]. The legacy of LADECO 20 years ago undoubtedly contributed to the consolidation of this sector.



Operations of LADECO in Central America:
UC [SCL-ARI**-SJO-MEX] 1x weekly, 733: 1993
UC [SCL-GYE-SJO-MEX] 1x weekly, 733: 1993
UC [SCL-GYE-GUA-MEX] 1x weekly, 733: 1993
UC [SCL-BOG-PTY] 2x weekly, 733, 1993
UC [SCL-IQQ**-SJO-MEX] 1x weekly, 733: 1994
UC [SCL-BOG-SJO-MEX] 1x weekly, 733: 1994
UC [SCL-BOG-GUA] 2x weekly, 733: 1994
**Sometimes both Arica and Iquique were utilized as technical stops.

Welcome everyone to the 48th installment of the Central American commercial aviation series !
The thread is now open for comments and discussions.


Edited on May 11th 2012.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15764 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
I think the former LAN Chile served Panama City some years before, but the credit for LADECO consisted in the discovery of the untapped market between Central America and Santiago de Chile.

LAN Chile did serve PTY for a number of years. Unfortunately, LADECO went into BK just after it discovered the "untapped market" between Central America and Chile.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
For example in 1993, when LADECO flew to Central America, neither LACSA nor COPA sustained flights to Chile, if I recall correctly. Once LADECO was purchased by LAN Chile, their operations ceased in the isthmus and the market was overtaken by CM PTY-SCL, LR SJO-LIM-SCL and LR SJO-PTY-LIM-SCL around the mid 90s.

LADECO became LAN Express after LAN Chile acquired the airline in 1994 and operated only domestic flights with-in Chile. All international routes were cut with the exception of one route, the SCL-GRU-GIG route, which LAN still operates today! LADECO's IATA code UC was transferred to LAN Cargo S.A., which currently serves the Central American cities of GUA, PTY and SJO.

N312LA At SJO:

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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15618 times:

I do remember Ladeco operating in Guatemala with a 757 also. Thanks for bringing back some memories.

Juanchito

[Edited 2012-05-12 06:23:21]


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15598 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 1):
LAN Chile did serve PTY for a number of years

What I didn't remember is when the former LAN Chile dropped their regular flights in Panama City.




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Quoting juanchito (Reply 2):
I do remember Ladeco operating in Guatemala with a 757

Wow, I didn't know that.
I always thought the 733 was its sole equipment utilized in Central America.

Regards.



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15527 times:

Some pictures from yesterdays Convair C580 incident in GUA

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Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2117 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15437 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 4):
Convair C580 incident in GUA

Yikes.. apparently the port side (left) propeller hit the runway, then sheared off and penetrated the fuselage.



Ubi bene ibi patria.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5884 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15342 times:

this convair unfortunately might be a write-off


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15287 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
What I didn't remember is when the former LAN Chile dropped their regular flights in Panama City.

If I'm not mistaken one of its last passenger routes to PTY must have been SCL-PTY-LAX in the early 80's. I believe it probably was a B707.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15251 times:

TACA has already loaded the schedule for the San Salvador - Cali service:

TA 297.......SAL 19:35.........CLO 23:35........Tu, Th, Su
TA 296.......CLO 06:00.........SAL 07:50.........Mo, We, Fr
Effective: July 01st

Source: amadeus.net

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2117 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 14825 times:

Hey 2travel2know2 in the previous thread you were talking about building an international airport in Guápiles.. here's what the landslide–prone highway to the Caribbean coast (CR32) looks like this afternoon with the rainy season barely getting started..

— image taken from La Nación



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14749 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 9):
Hey 2travel2know2 in the previous thread you were talking about building an international airport in Guápiles.. here's what the landslide–prone highway to the Caribbean coast (CR32) looks like this afternoon with the rainy season barely getting started..

Rest my case
  



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14675 times:

AV/TA grouping is announcing healthy results in their operations during the first quarter [1Q] of the year as shown:

Operational profits: $ 1900 000 millions; growth of 18% regarding the 1Q of 2011.
Net profits: $ 63 000 millions; $ 44 000 millions in 1Q of 2011.
Increase of passengers compared to 1Q of 2011: 16%

The press release states that their subsidiaries were included in the analysis.



Full source: http://www.larepublica.com.co/node/10278


Regards.

[Edited 2012-05-15 20:22:55]


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14576 times:

I've just noticed that TA is announcing SAL as tourist destination on the local radio.
1st time ever I hear a TA radio ad. Don't know if TA is having yield problems with its SAL-PTY flights.
Usually when an airline places radio ads here, it has to do with poor loads and need for heavy promotion.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14512 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 12):
Don't know if TA is having yield problems with its SAL-PTY flights


TA SAL-PTY 7x weekly was justified for the operations of CM PTY-SAL which is flying as 14x weekly at this time.
I think it's not strategic for TA the demise of PTY-SAL, taking into account how Copa Airlines is serving dedicated flights to San Salvador.
By the way, no more CM PTY-MGA-SAL.

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2117 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14506 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
$ 1900 000 millions (...) $ 63 000 millions; $ 44 000 millions

To lessen any confusion, those are pesos colombianos and Col$1 = US$0.000557 at the current exchange rate.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14321 times:

TACA will drop the San Salvador - Chicago O'Hare non-stop service.
Flights to Chicago will continue as TA SAL-GUA-ORD 4x weekly.

TA 586.........SAL 14:52..........ORD 20:42.........Mo, Fr..........320
TA 587.........ORD 09:45........SAL 13:25...........Tu, Sa..........320
Discontinued from June 17th.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 14):
those are pesos colombianos and Col$1 = US$0.000557 at the current exchange rate

Simple math:

Net profits on AV/TA for the 1Q 2012: $COP 63 000 000 000 * US$0,000557= US$35 091 000

One brand new 320 is roughly US$ 50 000 000 and AV/TA signed a purchase agreement in January 2012 for 33 [320 Neos] and eighteen 320 family aircraft.


Perhaps their investment plans were already taken into account and the purchase of the new aircrafts might not depend on the results reported in the net income.


Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2117 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14166 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
One brand new 320 is roughly US$ 50 000 000 and AV/TA signed a purchase agreement in January 2012 for 33 [320 Neos] and eighteen 320 family aircraft.

Perhaps their investment plans were already taken into account and the purchase of the new aircrafts might not depend on the results reported in the net income.

Or in a worst–case scenario they could work out a sale–and–leaseback transaction a la señor Kriete with USA–based lessors.. it served TA well in the past (remember TI–BCF/N935TA, TI–BCG/N936TA, TI–BCH/N937TA and TI–BCI/N938TA) by providing financial distress relief and tax deduction benefits.

[Edited 2012-05-19 00:07:32]


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13966 times:

Low Cost after regional passengers From http://www.estrategiaynegocios.net/ in Spanish
With a only a very few sentences related to the subject, this article mentions an Hondurean low cost airline Easysky operating B737-200 in an U2 like livery.
Lets see if Easysky will think of flying SAP-MSY.

Panatropolis
This is taken from a local blog and shows what some real-estate merchants want to do with the area needed for PTY 3rd or even 4th runway.
If such a project is openly advertised, it'd seem that for this government, PTY expansion isn't such a priority.

[Edited 2012-05-21 08:29:53]


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 13873 times:

Some photos about the new terminal in Liberia, Costa Rica:





















Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 13755 times:

Airlines against Law 420 from http://http://news.elvenezolanonews.com.pa - in Spanish
Panamanian airlines association is against a new law that will force any airline flying drug smugglers to pay up to USD50,000 fine each time an smuggler is caught.
Airlines stress that it's out of their control to inspect everybody who boards its planes and what that person is carrying, as that responsibility belongs to each government/airport security/customs authorities.
There's no similar law like that in the whole world.

No need to remind in this forum that Panama president and CM Panamanian owners don't get along.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13652 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 17):
taken from a local blog and shows what some real-estate merchants want to do with the area needed for PTY 3rd or even 4th runway.

It seems that the trend for this year is to focus on the extension at PTY, instead of promoting the discussed projects related to the new airport in Rio Hato as well as the expansion of other airports in Panama such as DAV, BOC, ONX or BLB.
By the way, I assume that the north pier at PTY hasn't been inaugurated yet.

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13588 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
By the way, I assume that the north pier at PTY hasn't been inaugurated yet.

I don't know what's the Airport management / Civil Aviation Authority excuse re: PTY North concourse opening now.
It was said it had to do something about the baggage from the concourse not getting to the customs area and something the furniture.
In the meanwhile, it's CM that is feeling the pressure the extra gates aren't available for use yet.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13575 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
Some photos about the new terminal in Liberia, Costa Rica:

Simply beautiful!

Congratulations!



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13442 times:

The Mexican low-cost carrier "InterJet" is planning to start soon the Mexico City - San Jose service on a daily basis.

Related press release in Spanish:

http://www.nacion.com/2012-05-23/Eco...-Interjet-volara-a-Costa-Rica.aspx


Regards.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13378 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
I assume that the north pier at PTY hasn't been inaugurated yet

it's not open to public yet. From the main terminal it seems to be ready however it's closed  



On the run !!!
25 2travel2know2 : Latest aviation related rumour here today is that Air Panama has a new owner. Unconfirmed, but very worrisome, foreign airlines could stop flying to P
26 SJOtoLIR : The service into San Salvador - Dallas/Ft. Worth supplied by TACA goes from 4x to 7x weekly: TA 440....SAL 08:44........DFW 13:24.......Daily TA 441..
27 Post contains images yellowtail : Well I am sure we could create a nice hub here in BZE I'm CM wanted to move.
28 SJOtoLIR : Proposed schedule: 4O 2920.......MEX 09:30.......SJO 11:25.......Mo, Tu, We, Th, Fr 4O 2920.......MEX 11:40.......SJO 13:35.......Sa, Su 4O 2921.....
29 Post contains images aer : Hey GUA called dibs lol
30 2travel2know2 : Both BZE and GUA are out of range for a B737 flying non-stop to/from MVD, EZE, POA, GRU, GIG, CNF... And there's an issue with GUA altitude. I just h
31 Post contains images copa330200 : a couple of pictures from PTY conection point
32 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Damage to swamps could endanger PTY from www.prensa.,com in Spanish Yesterday La Prensa features a news that PTY "newest" runway could be at risk of f
33 SJOtoLIR : The SJO-BOG 14x weekly sector which has been traditionally operated by TA/LR in the last months will experience some changes: TA/LR [SJO-BOG-BSB] 3x w
34 Post contains links CM767 : Well now it is official, PTY is considering a third runway, the new runway will be one project together with the south concourse or terminal that will
35 SJOtoLIR : AeroMexico has already loaded the schedule for the new Cancun - San Jose service as follows: AM 690.....CUN 10:55........SJO 12:05..........Daily.....
36 2travel2know2 : Good news that common sense won over the real estate merchants wish to take the land needed for the 3rd runway and make it into a development.
37 SJOtoLIR : I don't foresee the spread of both AeroMexico and InterJet in Panama, on the contrary to Guatemala and Costa Rica where TA/LR gets no more than one da
38 2travel2know2 : I'd like to see 4O in PTY. It could bring airfares down, even if they decide to serve PTY out of TLC and not out of MEX. Currently there is no late e
39 yellowtail : All this is putting the squeeze on TA...CM expanding from the south, AM/4O from the north..no wonder AV is shedding non-core assets like AeroPerlas an
40 2travel2know2 : 4O in MGA, that'll be something, IMHO, the market is there, even if not daily to start the route.
41 yellowtail : So KX will be codesharing with CM. That is like the lion and the zebra having dinner together. At she point the Zebra will start to look pretty fat.
42 SJOtoLIR : During its first stage in Central America, they served TLC-GUA on a daily basis in 2007-2008. When the airline returned to the isthmus in 2011, 4O GU
43 RCS763AV : BOG-BSB is still being marketed as a four times a week operation, glitch in the schedules maybe?
44 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Airlines @ PTY in alert due to new law from www.prensa.com in Spanish The Panama National Assembly will take 5 days to discuss the proposed Law 420 wh
45 Post contains links and images SJOtoLIR : The following Peruvian press release written in Spanish states that both AV/TA and CM will simultaneously enter into Star Alliance on June 21st: http:
46 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM and Airline association in favour of Law 420 From http://www.panamaamerica.com.pa - in Spanish Today, the pro-government Panamanian newspaper Panam
47 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines inaugurated on June 15th 2011 their new services to Nassau, Bahamas and Porto Alegre, Brazil, among others. One year later, their weekly
48 yellowtail : NAS is doing very very well.....it is hard to get a seat. I am surprised it did not go daily.
49 2travel2know2 : When CM announced NAS I had expected enough traffic for only 2-3 E190 flights per week.. Flying almost daily to NAS now is such an unexpected surpris
50 yellowtail : Its the same stuff...>CM does not believe that the English speaking Caribbean (at least the one with industry other than tourism) can support a fl
51 SJOtoLIR : I've never believed a lot in this statement because the proper demand is rather mandatory for the success of the commercial model followed by Copa Ai
52 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : But not twice daily PTY-KIN, even if Jamaica is linked to CM hub 4 times per week (2 KIN + 2 MBJ). Would love to find out how advanced is CM route de
53 SJOtoLIR : The list shows the operations which have been enhanced to daily on Copa Airlines recently: CM PTY-VVI 7x daily CM PTY-AUA 7x daily CM PTY-COR 7x weekl
54 yellowtail : wan't KIN upgraded to 4X?
55 copa330200 : just impresive !!! do we know where are they getting planes for all of these additional flights ? are they reducing other routes or they were able to
56 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-KIN 2x weekly was upgraded from E90 to 73G on March 24th. It goes from 2x to 4x weekly on June 20th and supporting the UA designator as well.
57 yellowtail : I understand that bookings have not been so hot
58 SJOtoLIR : The 737-900 is not in the plans of Copa Airlines. . Copa Airlines had took delivery of seven brand new planes in 2012: March 09: HP-1727CMP, 738 Marc
59 2travel2know2 : As for MEX, CM could try to shuffle a couple of Mexican frequencies assigned to PVR and SJD to TLC, as pretty sure Mexican authorities are keen to ke
60 SJOtoLIR : Let's talk about Nicaragua as Blue Panorama from Italy will start soon their services in Managua: BV 1346......FCO 12:15.......HAV 17:35........We....
61 viaggiare : Same flight number on the return flight and for no apparent reason.
62 yellowtail : a) still a pain in the a#@ to travel between MBJ and KIN. b) i understand that MBJ loads look pretty poor.....like LIR. Having said that I also under
63 2travel2know2 : Sure it's, if KIN passengers still chose to fly to CM destinations w/AA via MIA instead of using MBJ the days CM flies over there..
64 CM767 : I sure can see CM on SJD , best tourist destination I have been on Mexico, I highly would recommend it to anyone.
65 yellowtail : I would agree except by CM own manual they any destination they serve must have more than just leisure. Remember, there are lots of beach destination
66 2travel2know2 : SJD has against it the distance from PTY and that it might not be such a hotspot for the Latinamerican tourist. I can imagine CM trying PVR twice wee
67 viaggiare : More than twice the distance to PUJ (1937 nm vs. 857nm) although much less crowded. This is key.. unless some sort of exception was negotiated with M
68 2travel2know2 : Compare these distances from PTY to "leisure destinations" including SJD; pay attention, last two aren't that much of a "leisure destination": PTY (9
69 viaggiare : I concur.. CM simply went along for the extra MEX frequencies but otherwise has little or no interest in SJD.
70 2travel2know2 : Rumour is that TLC talked to CM and CM could have gotten rights for TLC thanks to TLC lobby with Mexican authorities but CM wanted MEX frequencies in
71 SHAQ : Talking about COR and EZE, it is true that CM wants to start a third destination to Argentina, but the ANAC don't want to provide any more frequencie
72 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : No, no. I'd never accept this statement. CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly hasn't started their services yet. We must wait at least six months to evaluate if any
73 yellowtail : let me clarify....advance bookings looks poor. But as you said they have to give it awhile. Very hard to market rainforest to tourists who already ha
74 viaggiare : The link you provided is a summary of the amended bilateral with respect to new frequencies granted by México.. and as for both routes being "feasib
75 2travel2know2 : Yes. The latest Panama-Argentina bilateral opened COR, MDZ and ROS to future CM operations but kept the amount of frequencies in 28 total to be taken
76 SJOtoLIR : This statement is true at this time. The imminent challenge for Copa Airlines in Mexico consists to consolidate the PTY-MTY service that recently beg
77 avi8 : Heard the yields in PTY-MTY aren't that good. Maybe they'll do it as a sacrifice to obtain more frequencies?
78 2travel2know2 : Have not flown MTY-PTY but GDL-PTY and out of my observation, I wish CM had E175 to operate that route instead of a E190. Same may be applied to PTY-
79 SJOtoLIR : From what I've read above, CM PTY-GDL and CM PTY-MTY aren't precisely managing stellar load factors. On the other hand, CM PTY-CUN goes from 21x to 28
80 Post contains links viaggiare : CUN (ranked 2nd busiest airport in México with 13M pax in 2011) traffic stats can be found here while those for SJD and PVR (ranked 6th with 2.8M pa
81 Post contains links copa330200 : from La Prensa http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...cha-para-licitar-mobiliario/100794 it seems as PTY will run the adquision process for new termin
82 SJOtoLIR : I stand clarified. The growth at CUN cannot be resembled to either PVR or SJD trying to justify the intended new services of Copa Airlines. Once I th
83 2travel2know2 : CUN, SJD and PVR are leisure destinations but CUN appeal for Latinamericans (Brazilians, Argentinians, Colombians) can't be compared to SJD's and PVR
84 Post contains links viaggiare : Faced with the choice of getting E75s for the occasion or allowing those two routes (business markets with enormous potential) additional time to dev
85 2travel2know2 : If CM was ro get a couple of E175 those could not only be used to develop MTY but could be used to start some routes which at this point wouldn't be
86 yellowtail : LIR and FRS would be excellent examples of this.
87 2travel2know2 : FRS didn't work from Houston. I can't see passengers from PTY hub flocking to FRS as a destination itself. FRS isn't CUZ. Talking about the Caribbean
88 SJOtoLIR : Neither Copa mainline nor Copa Airlines Colombia have opted for more jets belonging to the Embraer family since 2010. The discussed cargo constraints
89 Post contains images viaggiare : Any analysis of those two very different animals would show they are like chalk and cheese. Barely one week has passed since that unfortunate remark
90 aer : On my way to YOW and GUA is hilarious, I counted about 5 or 6 CM planes here and funny enough that they all go to the same place (granted with differe
91 2travel2know2 : True. Question is how long would CM keep their E190 if it seems that the airline doesn't want to replace them? Following this forums, one finds out t
92 Post contains images viaggiare : Best part is it happens every single day.. a finely–tuned network no doubt. When was the last time the Mottas went shopping in the used aircraft ma
93 2travel2know2 : Beofre the agreement with Continental? But that doesn't mean that in case of lack of aircraft because of maintenance or delays in deliveries from Boe
94 Post contains images copa330200 : C series can be the answer !! CM needs something smaller than 737-700 and more efficient that 737-600
95 2travel2know2 : Tough to find something like that. If CM has been an Embraer customer, it could be highly likely CM could give Embraer another chance. Another option
96 SJOtoLIR : Perhaps the ATR family doesn't fit into the operations of Copa Airlines. I don't visualize CM PTY-LIR, CM PTY-PEI, CM PTY-ADZ, CM PTY-BAQ, CM PTY-CTG
97 viaggiare : What makes you think they want to replace their E90 fleet anyway?
98 viaggiare : Neither do I.. and as for scrap-yard alternatives, let's just say it wouldn't seem to fit into their modus operandi.
99 2travel2know2 : Adding another manufacturer / aircraft type was a huge concession for CM "aircraft-commonality-obsessed" management. Those fairly new ex-Malev B737-6
100 viaggiare : Let me rephrase my question: what makes you think they're CURRENTLY considering replacement alternatives (from Boeing or whoever) for their E90s?
101 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : New surprises for the coming Panama City - Las Vegas service which is due to start on June 27th. For the first time, CM PTY-LAS was announced early th
102 avi8 : As much as I would love for GUA to become a hub, I doubt it ever would. They are doing this to put pressure on the Salvadorian government.
103 viaggiare : Probably, so let them keep their hub.. moving it to GUA would add very little value to your country.. a typical offshore call center employs more peo
104 RCS763AV : That is probably one of the most inaccurate posts I have seen here on airliners, made for you just to bash Taca. How wouldn't a hub bring tourists in
105 aer : Now that is something I really thought I would never hear. What did I miss, are the Salvadorian government and TA in a tug of war of sorts?
106 avi8 : Petty. That's all I have to say. In a way, yes. TA has been desperately trying to obligate the Salvadorian government to expand the airport. But the
107 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : PTY-LAS should have started a couple of years ago. After the service had been announced, CM finally realised that 4 per week B737-700 wasn't enough f
108 Post contains images avi8 : CM at PTY is probably a gold mine for large Star members. It's probably the best established hub in the region providing several schedules, destinatio
109 yellowtail : My bet is that it is AV intent to make SAL a "focus city". the nervousness of the TA folks I know in SAL as of late would lead me believe that AV is
110 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : PTY is taking advantage over the rest of the regional airports, in order to promote new entertainments for their in-transit passengers. Regards.
111 Post contains links and images viaggiare : I never said an airline hub does not benefit the local economy, but that a TACA hub adds very little value to its host country. How do I know? Based
112 yellowtail : Tropic Air has filed with the appropriate authorities for a daily flight between BZE-CUN effective Nov 1. It has already received approval from the BZ
113 juanchito : Will it be with a Caravan? Juanchito
114 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : PTY won't search in-transit passengers From www.prensa.com - in Spanish In-transit passengers at PTY won't be inspected. PTY won't follow a recommenda
115 aer : I remember something like that in Nicaragua where the government (not sure which administration) almost froze TA's assets or something like that beca
116 SJOtoLIR : From the above press release in Spanish: "Panamá no acatará la recomendación de la Organización de Aviación Civil Internacional (OACI), que propu
117 Post contains links mt99 : For whatever its worth: In other words: "if the Salvadoran Government does not have interest in building out SAL - Get out of the way and let AviancaT
118 mt99 : Do you have any from information from this decade?[Edited 2012-06-25 21:03:22]
119 RCS763AV : Well I think it's a great idea. If the salvadorean government is that incompetent, they should just let the private sector take care of things.
120 Post contains links and images viaggiare : When push comes to shove the fat cats will throw their money behind ARENA or even GANA (the party former president Saca helped create following his f
121 SJOtoLIR : As a matter of fact, TACA doesn't drive all the space it needs at both SAL and SJO and this odd situation is undermining a better model of connectivi
122 2travel2know2 : If it was only about potential room to expand what would decide if AV has to choose one hub in Central America, SAL wins hands over SJO. What SJO has
123 mt99 : Yup. What wrong with that? Sure - whatever is relevant to actual times. News articles from 2000, are a bit old. That rest of your post: cough - get o
124 viaggiare : Not sure whether there is necessarily correlation between offering limited frequencies to HAV and having space limitations at either airport. Don't t
125 yellowtail : But to some extent the leisure market at SJO has been hurt by the ever expanding flts into LIR....but yes SJO is a much more well rounded destination
126 mt99 : And that makes it different than the rest of the world how? I am a fairly liberal person, that does not blind me to fact that the current Government
127 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Recently is supporting government but country president seriously at odds with CM owners. It's a 6 month delay with PTY north concourse, lots of excu
128 mt99 : 6-month delay is nothing. SAL has had a 5 year delay and the Gov. is still barely waling up to the fact that there might be something wrong.
129 2travel2know2 : PTY North Concourse 6 month delay is because lack of furniture and moving sidewalks (problems with the bids), otherwise all of its gates are ready to
130 Post contains links aer : Well, interesting fact, it takes the same amount of time from check-in to baggage claim from GUA to SAL as to drive from Guatemala City to San Salvad
131 mt99 : Yup!.. but flying is far safer.. there is a lot to crime driving up the border into GUA..
132 yellowtail : That be it.....
133 juanchito : There was a press release that they will start those routes from Flores. There is also a rumor that they will add 2 more Saab or 2 CRJ200 Juanchito
134 viaggiare : Now that 2K is changing its name to Avianca Ecuador perhaps TA can change theirs to Avianca El Salvador? SJO had a six–year delay..
135 Post contains images mt99 : Unfortunately when it comes to efficiency and foresight, our governments are in a race for the bottom
136 Post contains images viaggiare : Now there's something we can both agree on.. btw I must admit you are not as belligerent as you once were.
137 Post contains images mt99 : I have learned to block the things about you that made me belligerent ...
138 Post contains images viaggiare : Either that or you learned to take things (such as the cartel's fate) in stride. Good for you either way.
139 yellowtail : Little dickie bird telling me that B6 are about to announce 3 new latin/caribbean routes for late 2012 start. good luck to all !!!!!
140 Post contains images mt99 : No, its not that.. Its mostly ignoring your rants ..
141 Post contains images viaggiare : I believe the futility of it all has finally hit home, full force..
142 viaggiare : MDE and CUR with almost certainty.. third one up for grabs among ANU, BZE and GCM.. maybe even AZS and PAP.
143 Post contains links viaggiare : The giant sinkhole that opened up last night in the middle of Autopista General Cañas has grown in size to about 3.5m wide by 4m deep and created a s
144 avi8 : When will the B6 announcement be?
145 aer : Lol place your bets ladies and gents!
146 Post contains images avi8 : GUA, BZE, and RTB.Those are my bets
147 mt99 : You can believe whatever you want. And indeed you do...(self delusion?)
148 viaggiare : MDE, CUR and ANU.
149 yellowtail : Remember I said LATIN AMERICA and CARIBBEAN This would sound more logical....guess we have to wait and see....my dickie bird says "announcement is im
150 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : I don't know exactly if the reduction on these flights were motivated for either the lack of planes on TA, shortage of airport facilities or the fier
151 viaggiare : That makes sense. So that would suggest Copa's market share has substantially increased at the expense of the parrot cartel. As per #136 above the pa
152 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : I've never understood why TACA split SJO-HAV 7x weekly into TA SAL-HAV 3x weekly plus TA/LR SJO-HAV 3x weekly. The utilization of two hubs in Central
153 viaggiare : What I'd like to know is what made señor Kriete choose to swim with the sharks, jumping into bed with Efromovich and the Colombians, when things beg
154 2travel2know2 : Mr Kriete and Motta's had different ways to manage their airlines. TA Kriete wanted to consolidate all Central American airlines under one brand. TA
155 Post contains images yellowtail : I did choose my words carefully to ensure that once they are announced my statement would be 100% accurate
156 viaggiare : You obviously missed my point entirely.. there was no mention of or reference to consolidation, extraterritorial expansion, multi–hub or single hub
157 Post contains images viaggiare : And just to clarify, by pajarito I meant your secret informant, no pun on your username intended.
158 SJOtoLIR : The AV-TA merger occurred back in 2009. In those days, TA was already inclined to Star Alliance [United, Lufthansa, US Airways], but this wasn't the
159 2travel2know2 : Today at our National Assembly opening ceremony the Panama Civil Aviation Authority director said that ONX Colon France Field, DAV Malek and Rio Hato
160 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : IUSD138Million nvestment in airports from www.prensa.com in Spanish Panama will have 3 additional international airports to PTY in the next 2 years. W
161 Post contains links RCS763AV : Well, one of them is CTG. Just announced 3 times weekly from JFK beginning november 2. http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/02/460...tblue-to-fly-to-cartage
162 Post contains images avi8 : I think I've lost my hopes for GUA
163 yellowtail : Congrats to CTG........thats a long way for a 320....must be right at the edge of its performance. I was told PTY was not doable from JFK on the 320.
164 Post contains links viaggiare : La Nación this afternoon echoes reports surfaced just over a week ago in the Colombian media, regarding the imminent disappearance of the TACA brand,
165 RCS763AV : The interesting part about this article is that it declares that there will be a statement by the middle of the week. Let's wait and see. I think so
166 SJOtoLIR : It would be great if UA dare to operate in Chiriqui and this might be the beginning of a new era. PTY is the top regional airport, in terms of passen
167 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : PTY to expand immigration and customs area in Spanish from www.prensa.com USD10million is the reference price for the bid to expand PTY's immigration
168 avi8 : I have a question, how much O/D does CM's hub carry? I know it's a tough percentage to calculate but aren't most passengers connecting traffic? How ma
169 yellowtail : Tropic Air is upgrading its 3X weekly BZE-SAP service effective Nov 4. Service will now be 5Xweekly (Mon, WEd, Thurs, Sun). Next step is daily. Flight
170 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The following source will answer most of your questions: http://www.tocumenpanama.aero/ Click the sections: Nosotros/estadísticas Download the "Repo
171 2travel2know2 : Take notice that some passengers with longer connections, but under 24 hours, actually go thru immigration/customs and are counted as O/D. I take tha
172 SJOtoLIR : CM and IB has launched a reciprocal code-share agreement since July 01st: COPA Airlines operated by IBERIA: Panama City - Madrid IBERIA operated by CO
173 SHAQ : Copa Airlines is the Alaska Airlines of Latin America! This is very important! When the Muelle Norte begins to receive aircraft, with the existing fa
174 Post contains images viaggiare : Good point. But not longer than the "filas de tres cuadras dentro del aeropuerto" at SJO according to señor Kriete.
175 2travel2know2 : This I believe was bound to happen. Now that IB and CM code-share, chances are minimal to see TP even as tag-on from CCS in PTY. However, in my opini
176 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : More issues re: PTY North concourse furniture bid in Spanish, from www.prensa.com PTY North concourse use could be delay further due to problems with
177 viaggiare : la comisión evaluadora debe decidir cuál es la mejor oferta, un punto crítico, tomando en cuenta que solo hay una diferencia de 10 centésimos entr
178 viaggiare : As for the 10¢ difference in “competing” bids.. suffice it to say something else doesn’t look right at first glance.
179 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM and Air Panama start connections at PTY in Spanish from www.prensa.com Thursdays and Sundays CM and Air Panama will offer hub passengers connection
180 viaggiare : I would suggest PTY–DAV–FLL as most gringo retirees in Boquete (and elsewhere in Chiriquí) would agree.
181 2travel2know2 : One thing at a time, 1st let CM fly passengers outside immigration and customs control between PTY and DAV so they could transfer gate to gate @ PTY
182 SJOtoLIR : From the above press release: "La conexión entre Copa Airlines y Air Panamá está disponible los domingos y jueves, y el primer vuelo registró una
183 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Airlines at PTY will transfer passenger security tax to travellers in Spanish from www.orensa.com Panama Airlines Association succeeded in the exempti
184 viaggiare : Although the equipment will be paid off in two years, the tax won't go away.. proceeds will then go to discretionary spending. el titular de Economí
185 Post contains images yellowtail : To show you how well the Tropic Air BZE-SAP route has developed. In some cases they are now having to send multiple aircraft.....here are 2 of their 2
186 Post contains images viaggiare : Bummer.. it seems like the entire week has gone by and still no announcement. I hear PU has some used CR9s for sale.
187 Post contains links and images juanchito : Surprise visit today in GUA Juanchito
188 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Flashback. I've found this rare Hawker Siddeley HS-748 belonging to COPA in 1971. The photo was taken at PTY. Regards.
189 2travel2know2 : Brings back memories, DAV early 70's.
190 Post contains links viaggiare : More info on this old timer: 1 — 2.
191 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Direct contacts, no bid needed for PTY concessions In Spanish from www.prensa.com Tocumen, S.A. (INC), the state-owned PTY airport management company
192 viaggiare : Getting word of upcoming (within the next six months) new service announcements, courtesy of the so–called dickie bird.. AV/TA/LR: SJO–SAL–YUL A
193 2travel2know2 : Hope CM could figure out how to serve both YYZ and YUL. Even if PTY-YYZ is doing quite good. Canada will not allow more than 4 frequencies per week t
194 Post contains links viaggiare : I understand AV/TA recently upgraded SJO–SAL–YYZ from 3x weekly to daily, pursuant to the 2011 air transportation agreement between Canada and Co
195 SJOtoLIR : KX PTY-GCM is still flying twice a week. . Tell to the little bird that AC already flies to Liberia from both Toronto and Montreal. AC YYZ-LIR with 31
196 2travel2know2 : What CM wants isn't what Canada would give it. If Canada says YUL yes, YYZ no, CM should keep quiet and grab YUL. If CM is allowed to fly to YUL, CM
197 SJOtoLIR : I see more potential on AV/TA than CM, in terms of their commercial relationships involving Air Canada. The air transportation engagement between Cost
198 viaggiare : Correct.. AC in winter 2012/13 season will once again operate scheduled seasonal service to LIR with once– and thrice–weekly flights each from YU
199 2travel2know2 : In other words, AC has show no sign that it would like to feed CM PTY hub from Canadian airports.
200 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : UA Daily IAD SAL starts DEC19 from UA website UA will begin daily B737-800 flights between its IAD hub and AV/TA hub SAL this December. I'd believe O/
201 avi8 : Wow, that is a huge shock! I wonder why GUA was not chosen?
202 2travel2know2 : GUA not an AV/TA hub?
203 avi8 : Well they are announcing it as a O/D route. At least they make it seem like it. Are te flights timed specifically for any of the three banks?
204 Post contains links viaggiare : I wonder if any CM flights might be chartered to shuttle the 4,000 Honduran construction workers possibly bound for Panamá.
205 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : This thread has been read more than 10 000 times and it has solidly reached once again the 200 mark. It's time to begin one more edition: Central Amer
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