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Questions About United's First 747s  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

There is an excellent series of photographs in the database from Dave Mills showing cabin shots of an early UA 747-100 - they show the forward coach lounge, but refer to a rear coach lounge as well. Does anyone have any photos/seat maps or just recollections in general of the size/layout of the rear coach and upper deck lounges?

Also, when was the livery revised to include the "stars and bars"? And what were the original routes?

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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

I remember my grandparents flying a 747 from San Francisco to Honolulu in the 70s, there was no service from Sacramento (to Hawaii or SFO) in those days so they had to drive the two hours to SFO. I'd be curious to know what their 747 service to the islands was in those days..

BTW, here's a youtube video from TVLand of a 747 stars and stripes livery taking off from Honolulu. Always a favorite of mine..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Il3ZbD-po&t=3m32s


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

My dad was a pilot for United, and flew the 747 from its introduction (1970?) until he retired in 1973. I rode on them several times in the 70's, and don't remember an aft lounge. I did spend most of my time upstairs, however. It was configured with a semi-circular sofa in the rear part of the lounge, with a low table in the middle, and had several 2 and 4-chair seating groups, all with rotating seats. The seats themselves were covered in a textured heavy vinyl/plastic upholstry, that held up well against spillage from the drinks people carried around. There were only three windows per side in the early 74's, so the view outside wasn't that great. You could see the wingtip and outboard engine however, which was fascinating for a 10-year-old plane nut. There was a small bar/service-area forward, and to the left of the spiral staircase, which usually had a F/A stationed there, to serve the people in the lounge.

The initial 747's were mostly flown to Hawaii. My dad was based at LAX, and that is what he flew for those last years before retirement. I'm pretty sure they flew out of SFO too, and probably from both of those cities to JFK and ORD, although I'm not positive

HAL



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User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12474 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

One thing I've always been curious about with regard to the early UAL 747s; one was named "The Original Eight".

What (or who) does this refer to?

Quoting HAL (Reply 2):
My dad was a pilot for United, and flew the 747 from its introduction (1970?) until he retired in 1973

Must have been a fascinating career; the changes he must have seen - from DC3 (and smaller) to DC6s and 7s, then 720s and DC8s. He must have been one of the first group of UAL 747 captains.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
one was named "The Original Eight".

What (or who) does this refer to?

The Original Eight were the very first group of stewardesses, including Ellen Church, the first one hired.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
Must have been a fascinating career; the changes he must have seen - from DC3 (and smaller) to DC6s and 7s, then 720s and DC8s. He must have been one of the first group of UAL 747 captains.

He was hired in 1937, and started on the Boeing 247. Then on to the DC-3, -4, -6, -7, -8, and ended with the 747. Yes, he was in the initial group trained on the plane, after the instructors.

HAL



One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 2):
My dad was a pilot for United, and flew the 747 from its introduction (1970?) until he retired in 1973. I rode on them several times in the 70's, and don't remember an aft lounge. I did spend most of my time upstairs, however. It was configured with a semi-circular sofa in the rear part of the lounge, with a low table in the middle, and had several 2 and 4-chair seating groups, all with rotating seats. The seats themselves were covered in a textured heavy vinyl/plastic upholstry, that held up well against spillage from the drinks people carried around. There were only three windows per side in the early 74's, so the view outside wasn't that great. You could see the wingtip and outboard engine however, which was fascinating for a 10-year-old plane nut. There was a small bar/service-area forward, and to the left of the spiral staircase, which usually had a F/A stationed there, to serve the people in the lounge.

My father was a UAL pilot too .. My first 747 ride was in Sept. 1971 - HNL-LAX ... Before the semi-circle couch and 2 and 4-chair seating groups, which started almost immediately, the first upstairs I saw on that Sept. 1971 747-100 was just a series of big comfortable velvet chairs that swiveled ... I only saw this configuration once, and it was on my first flight .. Thereafter, was the fabulous semi-circle couch and other seats as described above .. does anyone remember this very basic, bland configuration upstairs with the initial UA 747s ...??


User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 4):

The Original Eight were the very first group of stewardesses, including Ellen Church, the first one hired.

First Stewardesses ever, period, anywhere, right?

Quoting HAL (Reply 4):

He was hired in 1937, and started on the Boeing 247. Then on to the DC-3, -4, -6, -7, -8, and ended with the 747. Yes, he was in the initial group trained on the plane, after the instructors

That's neat. My grandfather followed a similar career arc over at PAA. But he started a little later, after the war, I think. Started somewhere in the early DC series, and finished up in '81 flying SPs. Like yourself, I spent a fair bit of time in 74 classics growing up.



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