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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2344 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19728 times:

When is UA supposed to receive their first 787s? I know they will be flow domestically for familiarization purposes, but what will be their first international routes? Will IAH-AKL start when the 787s go international?


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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3736 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19417 times:

The 787 in the background, during Obama visit to the Boeing plant, was built for UA.

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19359 times:

It actually wasn't.   They did dress that one up with United decals for the ceremony. Its a random bit of trivia that nobody would know.

There are 5 United 787s completed. What the hell goes on between completing and delivering a 787 these days I have absolutely no understanding of. They are going to get all 5 of them this year and the first one in the second half, which technically starts in 6 weeks (wow).

NS


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 631 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19226 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 2):
What the hell goes on between completing and delivering a 787 these days I have absolutely no understanding of.

Neither do I. I hope there will be a book published soon covering the 787's travails. How too-rosy promises, supplier non-conformance with specs, and difficulty with reworking early frames played out.

I'm curious to know what UA's coach seating on the 787 will be. Will it be 2-4-2 as originally expected when CO ordered theirs, lo so many years ago, or 3-3-3, as many on anet have predicted?

So far as I can tell, United has not released anything about this. If early models are overweight, and they mean to use them to AKL after U.S. domestic proving missions, then maybe less weight could make a difference, and eight-abreast in Y might still be in the offing. I hope so, anyway.


User currently offlineskytony From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19200 times:

The configuration for the UA 787 is 36/183. Y is 3-3-3.


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19200 times:

Nah its 2-4-2. They DID announce the configs right after the merger when they confirmed Economy Plus seating for it.

NS


User currently offlineskytony From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19174 times:

Nah it's 3-3-3. I am looking at the seat map.


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19164 times:

Where are you looking at this seat map?

NS


User currently offlineskytony From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19146 times:

I can't say. Take my word for it it's 3-3-3. I also heard the announcement that it would be 2-4-2. Then I see the seat map and I am disappointed its 3-3-3 just like the IPTE 777.


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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 631 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19097 times:

Gigneil, I'm very pleased to hear that. It will likely be one of the nicest rides in the sky.

The 2-4-2 config, pioneered by the Airbus A300 and continued with the A330-A340, is very nice for pax comfort, similar to the 767's 2-3-2. ANA's new 787s are 2-4-2 in coach.

[Edited 2012-05-13 00:05:46]

User currently offlineflyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19070 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 2):
It actually wasn't.   They did dress that one up with United decals for the ceremony. Its a random bit of trivia that nobody would know.

um actually it was and will be ... just wasn't really painted in UA colors ... but it is UA's 787 ... currently sitting near the future of flight museum w/blue tail and no markings


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4751 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19056 times:

So is it 2-4-2 or 3-3-3 ?!


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User currently offlineskytony From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18984 times:

3-3-3. In economy sorry to say.


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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18918 times:

After some quick research, it appears that "skytony" is correct with his 3-3-3. So....with that said lets talk about the initial domestic routing so we can all be prepared to do mileage runs with the new fleet before they go international.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18811 times:

I'm guessing we'll be seeing a lot of HOU-SFO service on them during the initial "break-in" runs.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4751 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18763 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
I'm guessing we'll be seeing a lot of HOU-SFO service on them during the initial "break-in" runs.

Not like me to be picky but HOU is Houston Hobby Airport and I don't think it will see much 787 service.



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18614 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):

I'm guessing we'll be seeing a lot of HOU-SFO service on them during the initial "break-in" runs.

No, they are going to fly IAH-LAX and perhaps IAH-EWR and EWR-MCO as well. No SFO flight announced so far.

The777Man



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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1863 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18445 times:
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How about sending a little 787 love Denver's way! Hmm, maybe I'll get a surprise for my 6 October Denver to Chicago flight. Here's to hoping.

I wonder if J class is going to be configured as nine rows of four abreast or six rows of six abreast?



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User currently offlinenycjbird From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18258 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 17):
I wonder if J class is going to be configured as nine rows of four abreast or six rows of six abreast?

J class is to be 6 rows of 6. Y class is 3-3-3 as mentioned earlier.


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6101 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18185 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
When is UA supposed to receive their first 787s? I know they will be flow domestically for familiarization purposes, but what will be their first international routes? Will IAH-AKL start when the 787s go international?

UA should receive 5 787-822s this year...starting sometime in the 3rd quarter.

LN 45, 50, 52, 53 & 55...all of which are on the Everett flight line undergoing some change and rework modifications.

IAH-AKL was announced as the first international route (IAH-LOS was announced as a 787 route as well but it started up with a 777...no idea if it will switch at some point.) UA hasn't announced allot lately in regards to what routes that the 787s will fly probably because they are not entirely trusting of Boeing's delivery dates.

I'm not sure if its 3-3-3 or 2-4-2 or not (I do think at one point we discussed it on here and decided that it was going to be 3-3-3.) The onboard product (seats IFE ect) should be the same as what is being retrofitted to the 2-class 763s and 764's.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3480 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17889 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 2):
There are 5 United 787s completed

Semantics/nit picking, but they're not complete. If they were, they would have been delivered 

[Edited 2012-05-13 05:43:36]

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17888 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 16):

you sure about that??   



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8031 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17688 times:

I wonder has UA talked about flying the 787-8 out of SFO? I have my doubts for now, since SFO is UA's major US West Coast international hub and the 788 may be just a tad too small for many long-range international flights out of SFO.

As such, it'll be mostly 747-400's and 777-200ER's out of SFO on long-range international flights until 2016, when the A350-900 starts to arrive to replace UA's oldest 777's.


User currently offlinetu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17640 times:

Looking at the chapter we just added to our flight attendant manuals for the 787.........it is indeed configured
3-3-3......................



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17626 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 22):

Doing a nonstop to MEL might be a possibility. As it stands, UA doesn't really have aircraft capable enough of the flight (the 744 can make it, but would struggle and probably be a bit big) though they've spoken about nonstop MEL flights in the past...

SFO-MEL makes more sense to me than LAX-MEL.


25 Fiveholer : I'm pretty sure I read in a company letter that they would be run EWR-IAH-LAX for some months.
26 Post contains images CairnterriAIR : Come on UA...perhaps you are feeling "retro"? Remember back when...when you flew 2-3 DC-10's a day between BDL and ORD? Why not a few 787's??
27 strfyr51 : Don't mistake the CO ordered airplanes the-824's with theUAL ordered -822's they very WELL might have differen't seating configuration by the time Ma
28 SonomaFlyer : A 3-3-3 config is very disappointing but not at all a surprise. Comfort is not a consideration for most airlines with Y class, especially domestic car
29 bestwestern : How does 3-3-3 on the 787 compare to the tight seating on the 777?
30 qf002 : More space than a 10 abreast 777, less than a 9 abreast 777. The general tagline seems to be that the seats in a 9 abreast 787 are the same width as
31 SonomaFlyer : I think we can expect something around 32" pitch in standard Y with seats at or just a bit under 18" wide.
32 as739x : There have been no rumors around SFO on 787's service. I believe the 787 is to small for any current routes and are not used to their capabilities.
33 SonomaFlyer : The only time we'd see 787's at SFO is if they open up new long haul routes across the Pacific. I don't think we'd expect that for a few years. I don'
34 777ord : Correct. All the first runs on each type will be for trial and proving purposes between the major hubs/MX bases. Whether or not they are simply "repo
35 tommy767 : EWR-MCO was a big CO "break in" route when they got their widebody aircraft in the late 1990s/Early 2000s. However, this could change. I know for sur
36 STT757 : Well since it's going to be PMCO pilots flying them, and there's not a PMCO widebody pilot domicile in SFO, ORD, DEN or IAD I think we might rule the
37 justloveplanes : I'll do my best to Fly * partner ANA.....
38 gigneil : These 5 787s would splash down into the ocean long before arriving in MEL. NS
39 SonomaFlyer : I assume this comment is due to these earlier models being overweight? They should be able to make this route work. SFO-MEL is about 400 miles furthe
40 AA94 : The 787 displayed at the ceremony with Obama was in fact a UA 787, l/n 55. It is not the first UA 787, but it will be the fifth 787 to be delivered t
41 Irishpower : Out of SFO I can think of plenty of potential flights. Granted this is kind of a wish list but what about SFO- NGO MNL MEL CDG MUC GRU GIG EZE DME GUM
42 tommy767 : Orlando was never a pilot or crew base for Continental. Just MX. And PLENTY of PMCO crews are being routed through PMUA hubs. Look at ORD -- it's qui
43 Post contains images DocLightning : DOH!!! I can't believe I did that. For now, I can't see that we would be expecting much service at SFO to international destinations by UA. Other car
44 b737100 : Isn't HOU the city code for Houston?
45 dynamicsguy : There's no such thing as a 787-822 or a 787-824. Boeing has done away with the model number including a customer code for the 787. They're all just 7
46 ZaphodB : It is the prelude to all the domestic carriers going 10 across in Y- on their 777s ... unless of course AA gets there first with their 77Ws.
47 United1 : That was a rumor that they would be doing away with the customer code but most of the websites out there still list them as -822's...has Boeing confi
48 ebj1248650 : I thought ANA's 787s had customer codes. 787-881.
49 drerx7 : I'll definitely be on one of the IAH-MCO or LAX runs!!! How far in advance will they show up on SHARES?
50 jporterfi : Any idea why they did this?
51 CALMSP : no time soon at this point. HOwever, the cities/routes have been planned already.
52 The777Man : Nothing's sure but those routes were mentioned. Locally at the LAX station, it's been mentioned several times that LAX would be first to get the 787
53 gegtim : Seems like in the past new aircraft for United started on the SFO - DEN - ORD route. Except for the B737-200 which I believe flew a very short ORD - G
54 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : The codes mean nothing in terms of configuration. They just mean they have been built for the same customer. Plenty of airlines have their fleet in d
55 Max Q : Yes, but it is the code for the Houston Hobby Airport on the south side of town. Continental / United hubs out of Intercontinental Airport which is I
56 Post contains links STT757 : I posted a couple months back some quotes from UA's Chief 787 pilot, he mentioned 6-7 weeks of domestic proving runs from EWR, IAH. http://www.airlin
57 Post contains links tdscanuck : SFO-MEL is 6800nm great circle...that's well within the 787-8's range with real-world payload, even taking winds into account. It's also well inside
58 gigneil : 6800nm for a plane that reports have as low as 7100 and 7400nm at the outside right now is just not doable. NS
59 tdscanuck : Who's reporting 7100-7400nm for the line numbers that UA is getting? Tom.
60 rj777 : Have any UA 787's been painted (besides the Obama one which was probably stickers because it had NO reg and a HUGE Boeing logo near the end of the tai
61 SonomaFlyer : While that might be true for the first few frames off the line, UA's frames start at LN 45 which will be very close to advertised specs.
62 AADC10 : The 744s will probably go first. The efficiency gap is greater over the 744, they have been having some dispatch reliability problems that are probab
63 apjung : Hopefully the SFO-TPE nonstop on UA will resume with a 787.
64 Roseflyer : The 747s are expected to all be retired 2016-2019. I'm not sure where the rumor of the 747s having dispatch reliability problems came from, but the a
65 strfyr51 : The 767-322 Dispatch reliability could readily be attributed to the aggressive ROUTING that leaves little down time for anything other than scheduled
66 strfyr51 : the first b787's will need each captain to have 120+ HOURS IN TYPE Just to be cat3 qualified or the airplane could easily be weather restricted to Cat
67 kiwiandrew : With BR joining *A I'm not sure whether this becomes more likely or less likely. I guess it would be a hub to hub route, but also the risks to UA of
68 Post contains links and images Cargolex : Actually, it was. It won't be the first one delivered though, I don't think, and isn't the lowest line number for UA. View Large View MediumPhoto ©
69 IAHWorldflyer : I remember when CO first ordered these back in what? 2004 or so? And the original delivery date was going to be 2008. I recall thinking at the time th
70 Post contains images toxtethogrady : Boy, it will be something to see that baby lift off, powered by those two boxes. Seriously, though - United needs to do something to get back into goo
71 boilerla : Assuming Airbus is on time. Smisek is in favor of upgrading the 744 Y interior now, instead of waiting for 2016, but that implies that they will be i
72 gigneil : He's always been in favor of upgrading the 747's Y interior - ever since 2010. Even if the A350s are perfectly on time, 2016 is 4 years from now and 2
73 dynamicsguy : I can't quote anything definitive, but when there was a thread about this not long ago I had a bit of a poke around. I looked at Boeing documents whi
74 flybhx764 : The 787 will fly between US hubs at first to get the crewed trained on the new aircraft type. Mainly between IAH - EWR - ORD
75 drerx7 : Are you speculating or confirming. The historically credible sources say EWR-IAH-LAX.
76 tommy767 : They are digging their own grave since they moved up to ORD (in some ways)
77 CALTECH : We keep hearing the 787 will do some proving runs to MCO. They have sent a few of us to 787 training( why would that be ?). MCO is also the Divert Ba
78 drerx7 : Whatever routes they are out of IAH I'll be onboard lol. Every new bird entry into the fleet since the first 757 have plied the EWR-IAH-LAX-IAH-MCO-EW
79 gigneil : Sure but this isn't actually Continental anymore. This is a much larger airline, with pilots and bases and MX techs elsewhere. NS
80 drerx7 : Yeah, but the contracts haven't been sorted yet, so I think the CO pool will be in this initial set of birds. Hence why sUA is supposed to open a 767
81 hiflyer : I would suggest that the aircraft will touch all the major UA hubs during proving runs to confirm gate fit checks and other support areas....plus to s
82 drerx7 : IAH
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