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Ex-CO Planes Still Only Using B Gates At ORD  
User currently offlineChicagoflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

Just noticed while looking through the departure schedules for ORD that all the ex-CO planes are still only being serviced at gates B-1 through B-8 in Terminal 1. Also no pre-merger United planes use these gates. Does anyone know why this is and when and if United is truly one airline all the different planes will be able to use all the gates at ORD ?

[Edited 2012-05-13 09:09:52]

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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9107 times:
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I noticed the same thing in SEA the other day. PMUA aircraft still at the UA gates on N concourse. PMCO planes parked at the former CO gates on B. Must be taking awhile to integrate in specific cities.

Tomas SJC



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9092 times:
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I've seen (pmCO ?) 757s-with-winglets in C Concourse.


User currently offlineChicagoflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9067 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
I've seen (pmCO ?) 757s-with-winglets in C Concourse.

Did you check their tail numbers ? pre-merge UA 757s have been slowly getting retro-fitted with blended winglets.

These pre-merge UA planes now have winglets ....
N502UA N544UA
N505UA N546UA
N510UA N549UA
N512UA N554UA
N517UA N555UA
N518UA
N525UA
N532UA

[Edited 2012-05-13 09:04:22]

User currently offlineChicagoflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9042 times:

Just speculating to answer my own question ...

But maybe since the work forces are not integrated yet with single contracts, ex-CONs are only able to work those gates and vice-verse for pre-merge UA folks.

Does anyone know for sure ?


User currently offlineChicagoflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

I hate when this happens but I just found my point isn't really valid.

It looks like an ex-CO 757-300 flies out of gate C-11 today for LAS.

OOPS

Well anyways, still the fact remains that no 737s fly out of any gates other than gates B-1 through B-8 at ORD . WHY ? lol


User currently offlineChicagoflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8888 times:

In any case. it's great to see the amount of cross fleeting happening at ORD. Looks like pre-merge CO metal is now flying to
CMH, PHX, SMF, DCA, LAS, PHL, DTW, MCO, PIT, SEA, BOS, YVR, LAX, FLL, DEN, SFO,

as well as the old CO hubs of CLE, IAH, and EWR.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8809 times:
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Quoting Chicagoflight (Reply 4):
But maybe since the work forces are not integrated yet with single contracts, ex-CONs are only able to work those gates and vice-verse for pre-merge UA folks.




I know that in SJC the workforce is integrated and working both.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8756 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
I've seen (pmCO ?) 757s-with-winglets in C Concourse.
Quoting Chicagoflight (Reply 3):
Did you check their tail numbers ? pre-merge UA 757s have been slowly getting retro-fitted with blended winglets.

Plenty of PMUA 757s had winglets already.

NS


User currently offlineChicagoflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8650 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 8):
Plenty of PMUA 757s had winglets already.

Only 13 so far


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting Chicagoflight (Reply 4):
ex-CONs are only able to work those gates and vice-verse for pre-merge UA folks.

CO wouldn't have had the staff in Chicago to work 8 gates.



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User currently offlineSWALUV From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

I've noticed the same thing at DCA, last time I was there PMUA still departs out of the C terminal, while PMCO departs out of terminal B.

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

The DCA thing is structurally a little different.... but is next on the list to resolve according to the list of things to resolve.

I am still upset that they're planning to smash everyone into that little side area at DCA which is awful, but I hear the Club is nice.

NS


User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 1):

I noticed the same thing in SEA the other day. PMUA aircraft still at the UA gates on N concourse. PMCO planes parked at the former CO gates on B. Must be taking awhile to integrate in specific cities.

Tomas SJC


ExCO planes use N quite a bit in SEA. Trust me.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8204 times:
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Quoting SWALUV (Reply 11):
I've noticed the same thing at DCA, last time I was there PMUA still departs out of the C terminal, while PMCO departs out of terminal B.

Rumor has it that the United Club overlooking the C Concourse was just quietly sold to USAirways along with the usage rights to UA gates 27, 28, and 29. At the same time, the old President's Club near the CO gates 10, 11, and 12 in the B Concourse extension has just been remodeled as a United Club. But the old CO gate 14 is still divided between AS and DL.

If UA could possibly take back gate 14, then that area would make a quite usable little pocket for UA flights.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):

Rumor has it that the United Club overlooking the C Concourse was just quietly sold to USAirways along with the usage rights to UA gates 27, 28, and 29. At the same time, the old President's Club near the CO gates 10, 11, and 12 in the B Concourse extension has just been remodeled as a United Club. But the old CO gate 14 is still divided between AS and DL.

If UA could possibly take back gate 14, then that area would make a quite usable little pocket for UA flights.

It'll help once the DL-US slot swap is done. Delta is still at 65 flights a day out of DCA but will drop to 53 come July. Not sure what the exact plan is, but Delta/Alaska can likely get by with 7 gates for around 57 daily flights; UA would have 5 gates for 38 daily flights. Add in that 13 of those 38 are on RJs which can park at a hardstand at peak times and it should be enough to get both Delta and United in there just fine.

The plan for the old Red Carpet Club in the center concourse and for US to take over the sUA gates has been in the plans for quite some time.


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

Last I checked, the same thing was happening at ATL: PMCO departs out of Concourse D whereas PMUA departs out of Concourse T. I think they might be better off moving all operations to D rather than T because T has half as many gates and is probably in higher demand. I would imagine that DL would be happy to swap some gates with them, assuming the many D gates that are configured for RJs don't mess things up.

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

T is so much more convenient. When AA goes under, UA can have those gates AND their own bag claim, as befits the world's largest airline.

NS


User currently offlinetotesen From Mexico, joined Dec 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Well Doesnt post merger United have alot of issues like this?

-DCA
-KBOS (CO flights are still at terminal A)
-London Heathrow - Still old co at terminal 4 and PMUA at terminal 2
-KLAX - Continental flights still use the old continental gates,
KSEA- Still using two different terminals.
KIAH- Anybody knows if United flights are still arriving / departing out of terminal C only, except for the Lima 767 arrival?


Why hasnt the new United integrated the gates, in many mayor airports they are still divided as separate airlines, NWA was integrated with Delta before the merger and they where operating in the same gates even before the merger.



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User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7553 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 1):
PMUA aircraft still at the UA gates on N concourse. PMCO planes parked at the former CO gates on B.

In my new job, I'm working with United on a project, but they refer to the two as sCO and sUA (s = subsidiary). What is the nomenclature actually in use? Is PMCO/PMUA just a carryover from Delta/Northwest?


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

Quoting totesen (Reply 18):
Why hasnt the new United integrated the gates, in many mayor airports they are still divided as separate airlines, NWA was integrated with Delta before the merger and they where operating in the same gates even before the merger.

NWA was not integrated with Delta pre-merger.

NS


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3969 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7464 times:
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with more and more 737's being deployed at ORD, hopefully we start realigning the rest of terminal B so that I dotn have to sit out in a holding zone waiting for B1-8 available.


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7197 times:
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Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 19):
they refer to the two as sCO and sUA

After the March SOC date.

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 19):
PMCO/PMUA just a carryover

Before the 2010 merger.

In the middle, I guess it's simply CO/UA.


User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7093 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
Rumor has it that the United Club overlooking the C Concourse was just quietly sold to USAirways along with the usage rights to UA gates 27, 28, and 29.

This is true:
US will pick up three gates (27, 29 and 31) on the center pier from United Airlines starting July 11. United also has a club in that area that we will rebrand as a US Airways Club and have open for business on July 11 or shortly thereafter.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

Quoting totesen (Reply 18):
KIAH- Anybody knows if United flights are still arriving / departing out of terminal C only, except for the Lima 767 arrival?

The LIM 767 has been arriving at E and departing for SFO from E. Arrival from SFO and departure to LIM has been out of C16. At IAH the PMUA flights use all of the North finger of the North Concourse of C vs. 3 gates. I believe that will change come next month though.



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25 captainstefan : Any gates on D that new UA would be interested in are not held by DL - that side of the spine (south I believe) has US, F9, FL, NK, and probably a fe
26 Post contains images Cubsrule : Perhaps the poster is thinking of NW and CO, who were integrated in many airports before the DL/NW merger owing to their intimate relationship that d
27 gigneil : Wellll yessir. But I think the NEW UA could get it back together at ATL. They used to fly to all hubs from ATL, and even had a club right there. The
28 Paul787 : It is because only those gates and ramps are configured for the 737s and 753s yet.
29 dlramp4life : I was wondering that...In PHX UA only works on UA metal and DGS works on CO metal....I am aware UA will be absorbing all ground handling functions bu
30 panam330 : What was DL's flight count before the swap with US? I can't imagine that they only swapped 12 flights out?! It's a shame that UA can't be accommodate
31 tsnamm : I I have no idea what the situation on the ground is in SJC, but if the ramp is CO and UA there is no way they are integrated at all...Airport servic
32 777ord : That's pretty much it! Even though UA/CO merged. It still doesn't mean the MX, ground and crew operations have. When we move to the SEARS tower at th
33 FlyPNS1 : I believe 96 flights a day. Not that many people make that type of connection and if US and AA merge, those connections will cease to exist anyway. B
34 kgaiflyer : The only trouble with this idea is that C Concourse has two different wings -- gates 23 to 34 -- and north of that -- gates 35 to 45 -- plus the US-E
35 johnmke : please remember continental staff did more then work continental at ORD, they also serviced multiple wide body international air carriers prior to th
36 tommy767 : hmmmm, they recently put winglets on the oldest 757s in the fleet yet everyone says they are going to be retired soon? Sounds kind of pointless to me
37 Cubsrule : I know. They also serviced various LFCs at various points (HP, B6, DH). But they did not - and do not - have the staff for a ~60 flight/day mainline
38 STT757 : And CO put winglets on their 735s, and some are now getting E+, which are exiting the fleet.
39 Cubsrule : . . . and it's not just CO. WN has a gazillion wingletted 733s. There's nothing to see here.
40 Post contains links and images kgaiflyer : Done in 2008 (before the merger).View Large View MediumPhoto © Ben Wang Looks sort of cool
41 tommy767 : Errrr, little bit of a waste of money there?
42 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Flown them many times out of ELP ( ELP- ABQ/AUS/HOU/LAS/LAX/PHX/SAN/SAT ) and unless you knew the difference, you'd *swear* they were 700s
43 STT757 : In some cases it may be the lessor, not the airlines, paying for their installation in order to increase their value.
44 tommy767 : What lessor company is paying for the UA 757 installation?
45 ordramper98 : We (s-UA) haven't added winglets to a 757 in quite along time. If any were done since the merger was announced it was only 1 or 2. The poster above ma
46 AADC10 : My guess would be that the other gates are not configured for the PMCO 737s. UA has not had any 737s for a couple of years and they last had 733s and
47 ordramper98 : The 737's will be able to go into any gate that holds a 757 or larger. You're correct though, some of the gates have not been painted to add the 737NG
48 Post contains images gigneil : The C terminal has two concourses. I think that a permanent tunnel needs to be built between the two. Or an outside little walkway along the ramp tha
49 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Oh! Yes, of course.
50 CompensateMe : No lessor is foolish enough to spend millions of dollars retrofitting aircraft currently under a contractual lease. It's plausible the lessor may hav
51 n7371f : These 757's have had winglets for quite sometime. As far as I know there has not been a single UA 752 to receive winglets since the merger.
52 copter808 : I recall then handling Ameica West, Mexicana, Royal Jordanian, Ait Jamaca, Air Lingus, Air Canada, and a few others. Around 1995-2000 they reportedly
53 strfyr51 : So to set this right. United is still operating for the most part as 2 airlines and will operate for sometime like this until all the Contracts are se
54 gigneil : Correct. REALLY the final bit is the contracts. And no in less than 2 years, the largest airline int he world will finally be the largest airline in t
55 CALPSAFltSkeds : The same when I started at Contract Services in 1968. Over a period of years CO handled AF, KL, MX, LH, PI, Air Jamaica, Condor, Olympic, Pan Am, Aer
56 FlyASAGuy2005 : In ATL, UA is and large still on T and CO on D. Only "mixing" i've seen is on the COEx/UAX side with 170s parking on D and SkyWest CR2s on T at times
57 ericaasen : Well, even that is an expansion. When they moved over to B from E they only had B1-4. I remember talking to one of the CO guys who was using in our (
58 FlyPNS1 : True, though there is a shuttle bus between the two wings to allow connections without re-clearing security.
59 Chicagoflight : And .... you can still pretty much tell which flights are still in pre merge CO metal as all those flights are mostly 4 digit flight numbers. Most of
60 gigneil : Actually, all flights below 100 are Continental. Including UA 1. NS
61 tommy767 : It's all United. Continental is dead.
62 gigneil : Yes yes that too. NS
63 charlienorth : It is very nice...wouldn't be a bad idea to do a dry run to Willy before your first day there.
64 kgaiflyer : I'm learning. I only knew of the robust shuttle-bus service USExpress operates at gate 35. Btw, I wonder if anyone has ever mentioned to USAirways th
65 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : Normally they work with the large lease holders, not large airlines. and the CUTE gates. IMO unless they can get AA to move(unlikely) they can take o
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