tymnbalewne From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 959 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10124 times:
I imagine during the beginning of IATA codes airlines could choose what they want, for example AA for American Airlines, PA for Pan American and so forth. So, it's not a stretch to think that Aeroflot would ask for, or just be given SU for Soviet Union.
Aeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3020 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10066 times:
I'm not sure what your question is, since it's kind of all over the place. But here's my try at answering:
Everything that could fly in the Soviet Union, from small corn field turboprops to helicopters to large passenger jets, were all operated under the name of Aeroflot. The name literally translates to "air fleet". Since anything that was capable of flight in all Soviet Union republics were under one umbrella, why not have the code stand for Soviet Union? It's a pretty simple concept. Then, the main branch of Aeroflot inherited the name after the breakup.
In 1990-1992 Aeroflot operated about 10,000 aircrafts. In 1970-1980s Aeroflot always had more aircrafts then all USA airlines combined.
In the end of 1980s regional companies got more autonomy (but still it was the same Aeroflot), so I am not sure was it a constant livery on all the aircrafts.
In 1992 Aeroflot was splitted to many airlines. Independent countries took regional Aeroflot assets and created local airlines, such as Lithuanian Airlines, Air Moldova and other. Russian assets were also splitted to something like 200 regional airlines.
Now Aeroflot AFAIK is becoming "one airline" again, some local Aeroflot subsidiaries were integrated to Aeroflot in last 3 years and now Rossiya and Aeroflot is becoming one company (but still, different brands, AOCs).
Fabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5899 times:
Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6): I do not, however, believe that Aeroflot encompassed anything in the Soviet Army, Navy, or Air Forces. Others may know better though.
Not as such. But there were many military or semi-military operations flown in Aeroflot colors (e.g. a good part of Soviet Air Force transport fleet was in Aeroflot marking)
Quoting smbukas (Reply 7): I am not sure was it a constant livery on all the aircrafts.
Apart from Polar Aviation (red markings ISO blue) it was all same basic livery until dissolution of Aeroflot.
Then airlines got different looks and different names, based by airport they were based on (Pulkovo, Domodedovskie, Vnukovskie), city (KMV Avia (Kavkazskie Mineralnye Vody), Krasnoyarskie (later KrasAir), Tyumenskie (later UT Air), Omsk Avia, Vladivostok Avia), area (Sibir, Tatarstan, Dalavia - Dalnovostochnye - Far East, SAT Sakhalin Aero Transport).
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ilyag From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4779 times:
Actually the SU IATA code was really used for Aeroflot international ops - all USSR domestic flights just had a 3 or 4 digit flight number, as far as I recall. The crew would typically announce which Aeroflot unit (or base) is operating the flight, but otherwise it would be difficult to tell (at least from passenger standpoint).
rampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3174 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4396 times:
Quoting Fabo (Reply 8): But there were many military or semi-military operations flown in Aeroflot colors
Not that different from the trunk carriers, supplemental carriers, and cargo airlines that used to transport personnel and cargo in the USA for the various military operations, war and non-war. Except that these USA civilian airlines were many, not just one, and usually didn't use aircraft with glazed nose cones for "navigators" .
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26228 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3638 times:
Quoting ilyag (Reply 12): Actually the SU IATA code was really used for Aeroflot international ops - all USSR domestic flights just had a 3 or 4 digit flight number, as far as I recall. The crew would typically announce which Aeroflot unit (or base) is operating the flight, but otherwise it would be difficult to tell (at least from passenger standpoint).
Domestic flights also used the SU code. I recall it clearly. Without an IATA code flights can't be booked in reservations systems, or even manually in the old days before computerized reservations systems.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3538 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2559 times:
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 5): How true is it that AA wanted either US for its IATA code or USA for its ICAO code? I remember reading that somewhere...
AA got first choice I think, they have AA and 001 for their ticketing code. I imagine they went alphabetical, as CO was 005 and UA 016, I know the ticketing code is as important as the two letter code, but don't know if they were all put into place at the same time.
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10): The codes assigned earlier were perfect mappings (BA, AF, AC etc), or not too far from the airline name (CX, SQ, KE).
Once they started running out of the good ones, many of the new ones mean absolutely nothing. G4, FM, D7
I remember when Aloha Airlines was TS, and it made no sense, then I guess an A came up free, and they went with AQ.
AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN