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? Regarding Aeroflot's IATA Code: SU  
User currently offlineaxelesgg From Sweden, joined Jan 2010, 186 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10042 times:

Hi I was thinking about a thing...
IATA codes doesn't usually mean something (i think).
But Aeroflots SU just have to be Soviet Union?
Could it be so?

Regards

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User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

I imagine during the beginning of IATA codes airlines could choose what they want, for example AA for American Airlines, PA for Pan American and so forth. So, it's not a stretch to think that Aeroflot would ask for, or just be given SU for Soviet Union.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9785 times:

Quoting axelesgg (Thread starter):
But Aeroflot's SU just have to be Soviet Union?
Could it be so?

As far as I know, that's correct.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9735 times:

I'm not sure what your question is, since it's kind of all over the place. But here's my try at answering:

Everything that could fly in the Soviet Union, from small corn field turboprops to helicopters to large passenger jets, were all operated under the name of Aeroflot. The name literally translates to "air fleet". Since anything that was capable of flight in all Soviet Union republics were under one umbrella, why not have the code stand for Soviet Union? It's a pretty simple concept. Then, the main branch of Aeroflot inherited the name after the breakup.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9048 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 3):

Interesting as I was never aware Aeroflot represented any flying aircraft in Russia... thanks for sharing...

EK413



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3053 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 1):
for example AA for American Airlines

How true is it that AA wanted either US for its IATA code or USA for its ICAO code? I remember reading that somewhere...

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 3):

Interesting as I was never aware Aeroflot represented any flying aircraft in Russia... thanks for sharing...

EK413

Haven't you noticed that many aircraft back then had the Aeroflot livery?



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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1355 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):

Interesting as I was never aware Aeroflot represented any flying aircraft in Russia... thanks for sharing...

Yes, it was at one time the largest airline in the world, hence everyone else trying to be # 1 in the western world.

I do not, however, believe that Aeroflot encompassed anything in the Soviet Army, Navy, or Air Forces. Others may know better though.



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User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 5):
Haven't you noticed that many aircraft back then had the Aeroflot livery?

In 1990-1992 Aeroflot operated about 10,000 aircrafts. In 1970-1980s Aeroflot always had more aircrafts then all USA airlines combined.

In the end of 1980s regional companies got more autonomy (but still it was the same Aeroflot), so I am not sure was it a constant livery on all the aircrafts.

In 1992 Aeroflot was splitted to many airlines. Independent countries took regional Aeroflot assets and created local airlines, such as Lithuanian Airlines, Air Moldova and other. Russian assets were also splitted to something like 200 regional airlines.

Now Aeroflot AFAIK is becoming "one airline" again, some local Aeroflot subsidiaries were integrated to Aeroflot in last 3 years and now Rossiya and Aeroflot is becoming one company (but still, different brands, AOCs).


User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6):
I do not, however, believe that Aeroflot encompassed anything in the Soviet Army, Navy, or Air Forces. Others may know better though.

Not as such. But there were many military or semi-military operations flown in Aeroflot colors (e.g. a good part of Soviet Air Force transport fleet was in Aeroflot marking)

Quoting smbukas (Reply 7):
I am not sure was it a constant livery on all the aircrafts.

Apart from Polar Aviation (red markings ISO blue) it was all same basic livery until dissolution of Aeroflot.

Then airlines got different looks and different names, based by airport they were based on (Pulkovo, Domodedovskie, Vnukovskie), city (KMV Avia (Kavkazskie Mineralnye Vody), Krasnoyarskie (later KrasAir), Tyumenskie (later UT Air), Omsk Avia, Vladivostok Avia), area (Sibir, Tatarstan, Dalavia - Dalnovostochnye - Far East, SAT Sakhalin Aero Transport).



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6):
I do not, however, believe that Aeroflot encompassed anything in the Soviet Army, Navy, or Air Forces. Others may know better though.

A lot of Air Cargo, also for the armed forces, was operated by Aeroflot.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Quoting axelesgg (Thread starter):
IATA codes doesn't usually mean something (i think).

The codes assigned earlier were perfect mappings (BA, AF, AC etc), or not too far from the airline name (CX, SQ, KE).

Once they started running out of the good ones, many of the new ones mean absolutely nothing. G4, FM, D7 ....


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

I now that El Al code is LY because it was based in Lydda (Lod was previously called Lydda): so they took the first two letters of Lydda (LY)


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User currently offlineilyag From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Actually the SU IATA code was really used for Aeroflot international ops - all USSR domestic flights just had a 3 or 4 digit flight number, as far as I recall. The crew would typically announce which Aeroflot unit (or base) is operating the flight, but otherwise it would be difficult to tell (at least from passenger standpoint).

User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3125 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

Quoting Fabo (Reply 8):
But there were many military or semi-military operations flown in Aeroflot colors

Not that different from the trunk carriers, supplemental carriers, and cargo airlines that used to transport personnel and cargo in the USA for the various military operations, war and non-war. Except that these USA civilian airlines were many, not just one, and usually didn't use aircraft with glazed nose cones for "navigators" .  
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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 3):
The name literally translates to "air fleet".
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 5):
Haven't you noticed that many aircraft back then had the Aeroflot livery?
Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6):
Yes, it was at one time the largest airline in the world, hence everyone else trying to be # 1 in the western world.

Sorry what meant I wasn't aware the name Aeroflot represented "air fleet"...

I flew Aeroflot back in 1989 from KUL-BOM-SVO-LIS & when I arrived in SVO first thing I noticed was the vast fleet of aircraft operated by SU...

EK413



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting ilyag (Reply 12):
Actually the SU IATA code was really used for Aeroflot international ops - all USSR domestic flights just had a 3 or 4 digit flight number, as far as I recall. The crew would typically announce which Aeroflot unit (or base) is operating the flight, but otherwise it would be difficult to tell (at least from passenger standpoint).

Domestic flights also used the SU code. I recall it clearly. Without an IATA code flights can't be booked in reservations systems, or even manually in the old days before computerized reservations systems.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 5):
How true is it that AA wanted either US for its IATA code or USA for its ICAO code? I remember reading that somewhere...

AA got first choice I think, they have AA and 001 for their ticketing code. I imagine they went alphabetical, as CO was 005 and UA 016, I know the ticketing code is as important as the two letter code, but don't know if they were all put into place at the same time.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
The codes assigned earlier were perfect mappings (BA, AF, AC etc), or not too far from the airline name (CX, SQ, KE).

Once they started running out of the good ones, many of the new ones mean absolutely nothing. G4, FM, D7

I remember when Aloha Airlines was TS, and it made no sense, then I guess an A came up free, and they went with AQ.



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