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Swiss Aviation Thread: Nummere Drissig (30)!  
User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16346 times:

Seems that due to long period of no posts, thread 29 has been shut. So here's number 30! Last threads considering LX topics included discussions whether LX will get bigger planes (favourably the A340-600) in the near future, with no official words yet though.
On another note, a Swiss newspaper today released a simulation of a near miss (simultanious T/O's on both runway 28 and 16) at ZRH which took place in March 2011:
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...tastrophe-entgangen/story/14775698
Some if not most of the comments by readers are rather... well let's just say not very a.net standard  


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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15949 times:

Quoting AntonovA330 (Thread starter):
On another note, a Swiss newspaper today released a simulation of a near miss (simultanious T/O's on both runway 28 and 16) at ZRH which took place in March 2011

Yikes! Controllers in the U.S. are REQUIRED to exchange traffic with both aircraft when you have one in position on intersecting runways. If this were the case, the controller might have corrected his error before it got close as well as both crews would have been more aware of what was going on.

Edelweiss begins their ZRH-TPA service on May 25th. So geil!

[Edited 2012-05-15 20:33:53]

User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15857 times:

Well take off clearance had been issued to LX1326 first, but they apparently started rolling not until some 45 seconds later while LX202W accelerated right away. ATC routinely seemed to turn their focus on other traffic. Note that the video doesn't show Dock E/Midfield properly, so the aircraft weren't visually aware of each other until both had gained already quite some speed.


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User currently offlineatalanta89 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2009, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15667 times:

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 1):
Edelweiss begins their ZRH-TPA service on May 25th. So geil!

Really?? that's a great news for me! I need to fly TPA June 30th.  


User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15638 times:

Some recent route news concerning Swiss airports:

ZRH:

Air Dolomiti

Verona-Zurich-Verona 11/7

http://airlineroute.net/2012/05/09/en-vrnzrh-jul12/

Also EuroLot to KRK 4/7 (was mentioned in the old thread)

Furthermore Saudi Arabian is rumoured to start flights from Riyadh using Airbus A320 aircraft.

BSL:

Easyjet

BRU 6/7
BUD 4/7
SCQ 2/7
MAN 4/7

Increased frequencies on following routes

FCO daily
CPH daily
OPO Up to 2 daily
PRN 5 weekly

GVA:

Easyjet

SEN 3/7
SVQ 3/7

Increased frequencies

BUD 9 per week
BOD 10 per week
CPH daily
LGW Up to 7 flights per day, on weekends up to 10 flights per day
NTE daily
OPO 20 flights per week

Easyjet changes effective with the beginning of winter schedule

http://easyjet.production.investis.c...09-05-2012b-de.aspx?sc_lang=de-DE# (In German)

I found this fact particularly impressing:

Cities served from BSL: 40
Cities served from GVA: 57!


User currently offlineatalanta89 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2009, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15371 times:

I saw that Edelweiss is flying to TPA on June 29th and is great for me.

Somebody have something to share about the comfort/catering/business class?

I'm still not sure to fly Edelweiss instead of Swiss (to MIA).


User currently offlinelxlucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 248 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15222 times:

Quoting atalanta89 (Reply 5):
Somebody have something to share about the comfort/catering/business class?

Hi,
you can't compare the EDW C-Class with the LX.
OK the IFE is the same but apart from that...
EDW is a typical leisure Carrier, that's why the prices for C-Class there are lower. (if not, fly LX!)
The seats are comfy, but not the same as the new LX one. Catering is good too, but I think you don't have the same choice as with LX. But it's not bad!
If you choose to fly EDW you need to know that it's not the same as LX and you need to make certain cut backs.
But on the other hand, you fly directly to TPA... and the FA's are more likely to be young and good looking! (IMHO   )



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1658 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15223 times:

Edelweiss operates their new A 330-300 to TPA, so C-class is quite up to date. I believe it's comparable with the older style C-class on LX. I would certainly prefer this service ZRH-TPA above ZRH-MIA just because you save a lot of time, and quality is likely to be better than any US carrier TATL C-class.


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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 14858 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 7):
Edelweiss operates their new A 330-300 to TPA, so C-class is quite up to date. I believe it's comparable with the older style C-class on LX. I would certainly prefer this service ZRH-TPA above ZRH-MIA just because you save a lot of time, and quality is likely to be better than any US carrier TATL C-class.

You can compare it with the old Swissair / SWISS Business Class found on the A332's. On their A332 which they received from SWISS they took over the sames seats however reduced the seat pitch by adding another row of seats in the forward compartment.


User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14557 times:

SkyWork Airlines will also apply some changes to its network out of Bern Airport.

-London City will be increased to 17/7. Third daily flight from MO to FR.

-FCO and BCN will be decreased seasonally to 3/7

-BUD will get a third weekly flight on TUE

-BEG will be served three times per week on SAT, SUN and TUE

-New flights to Zagreb (SAT and MON)

-winter leisure flights to Malta, DJE, CTA (most likely once or twice per week)

All in all around 20 destinations will be served by this high quality regional airline.


User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14111 times:

Today I received a email from SQ that on the 2nd August 2012 it's the 40th Anniversary ZRH-SIN. They also added a very interesting link to a short movie:

Quote:
Dear Mr XX,

40 years ago, on 2 August 1972, Singapore Airlines commenced its flight operations from Zurich to Singapore. From our very first flight, we have been striving to delight our passengers in everything we do, and to provide them with an inflight experience that even other airlines talk about.

Celebrate this special occasion with us and take advantage of very attractive fares in Business Class now. We have selected 10 top destinations in Asia which are available from CHF 4’000* all-in.

Book your seat at our "40 Years Anniversary Special" and look forward to an extraordinary travel experience.

More information about our 40 Years Anniversary activities will be featured in the upcoming newsletters.

Yours sincerely,
Edmond Lim
General Manager Switzerland
Singapore Airlines Ltd.
Link to Movie - sorry only in Swiss German!

Enjoy  



Next Flt: ZRH-SAW-ALA Rtn on (5-13.April.14)
User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13652 times:
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Swiss is to issue 650 iPads to their maitre de cabine:

Quote:

SWISS’s 650 maîtres de cabine are being provided with iPads to ease their overall workload. The devices, which will begin to be issued this month, will simplify the tasks and duties of the airline’s cabin services directors before, during and after the flight. They will also permit the abolition of the traditional printed manuals, with associated environmental benefits in both paper- and aircraft weight-saving terms.
Source

That's very interesting that Swiss is making the iPad move. Although not in the cockpit yet, but better than nothing. Bravo Swiss!



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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13499 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 11):
Although not in the cockpit yet, but better than nothing.

I'm sure it will come in no time. The advantages are still underestimated. Maybe we will see it as soon as LX receives the CS100.. ?

One uneducated question: Is "maître de cabine" the official word for "flight attendant" in Switzerland, or is it something like a trademark only SWISS uses?



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User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13437 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 12):
One uneducated question: Is "maître de cabine" the official word for "flight attendant" in Switzerland, or is it something like a trademark only SWISS uses?

Other terms would be Senior Purser, In Flight Service Director, Cabin Director, ...



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User currently offlinevegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13272 times:

Quoting atalanta89 (Reply 5):
saw that Edelweiss is flying to TPA on June 29th and is great for me.

Somebody have something to share about the comfort/catering/business class?

I'm still not sure to fly Edelweiss instead of Swiss (to MIA).

Typical Swiss horrible pricing CHF 7'151.20 return for a family of 4 on a "charter" airline...what a joke!


Outbound flight
Zurich (ZRH) - Tampa Bay (Florida) (TPA)
Friday, 20.07.2012
CHF 3'665.60
Return flight
Tampa Bay (Florida) (TPA) - Zurich (ZRH)
Friday, 03.08.2012
CHF 3'485.60
Persons
2x Adult
2x Child
Total price
CHF 7'151.20


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 12):
One uneducated question: Is "maître de cabine" the official word for "flight attendant" in Switzerland, or is it something like a trademark only SWISS uses?

Already Swissair used this word. Other airlines call them purser. Though Maître de Cabine is the chief of cabin and not a word for a normal flight attendant. "Maître" is french an means chief, master, head, boss.


User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13180 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 15):
Already Swissair used this word. Other airlines call them purser

From some documentaries on Youtube have seen that LH call them or "called them" Purser. Interesting to check on Wikipedia about the Purser was:

Quote:
On modern airliners, the Cabin Manager (chief flight attendant) is often called the purser.

Could it be that the it's still common US Air Company's?



Next Flt: ZRH-SAW-ALA Rtn on (5-13.April.14)
User currently offlinePoianaMarco From Denmark, joined Jan 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13094 times:

Swiss is anyway better, and more service minded then Edelweiss.


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User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12975 times:

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 14):
Typical Swiss horrible pricing CHF 7'151.20 return for a family of 4 on a "charter" airline...what a joke!

The difference in Y class from LX to WK is in my opinion very small. I guess prices just show the high demand there is in the Switzerland-US market in late July and early August (it is for example hard to find flights to NYC for anything less than CHF 1400 per person).
Later in August there are plenty of options to fly for CHF 990 per person.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12949 times:

Quoting PoianaMarco (Reply 17):
Swiss is anyway better, and more service minded then Edelweiss.

What do you want to tell with that? Of course, because SWISS is a high quality legacy airline and EDW is its holiday and charter airline. You can't compare.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12726 times:

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 14):
Typical Swiss horrible pricing CHF 7'151.20 return for a family of 4 on a "charter" airline...what a joke!

But what are the load factors? If there is demand at those fares it makes no sense not to charge as much as you can.


User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 12659 times:

Edelweiss longhaul Business Class is more like a glorified Eco+ product, nothing to do with LX Business.

Paying >CHF 7'000 to fly in that seat - ABSOLUTELY NOT! If for the same money you can go to TPA on a combo of LX transatlantic and a transfer connection on another carrier then that's the way to go. Consider buying something like ZRH-MIA as one ticket and the MIA-TPA as a separate ticket, that may turn out way cheaper


User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12165 times:

Very odd experience the other day: I was landing on board Emirates' afternoon flight in Zurich on runway 14, and as we rolled off the runway I saw how a number of widebody planes (Air Canada, some Swiss A330/A340, etc) were preparing to depart from runway 32 - opposite the landing direction. Is this common'? Or was this just the moment when they "turned around" the configuration, and my plane was the last to land?

User currently offlineOlafW From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12120 times:

There is a time during the afternoon where no planes are scheduled to land for about half an hour, and during this time some planes are taking off to the north. Apparently it is wind permitting, but I've seen that happening some times even when the other runways were in normal use. Looking at the schedule, it seems that the EK flight is one of the last ones to arrive before this gap, so this may have been the case for you. Just wondering about the widebody thing, I have only once seen one take off there during the day.

User currently offlinenyswiss From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11871 times:

There seem to be internal discussions at Swiss whether to separate the European and Long Distance Operations into two organizations:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtscha...k-zu-CrossairZeiten/story/24265538

Sorry, only in German


25 ANITIX87 : Didn't that split exist a few years with Swiss Sun or something like that? (I remember the A320 series having yellow tips on the flap fairings). Why b
26 Post contains images B738FlyUIA : Yes you are right!! They did have if remember correctly a couple of A320's with Swiss Sun! These where on some holiday routes!! Why they stopped it I
27 PhilInBRN : Swiss Sun was abandoned in 2004 already. The purpose of Swiss Sun from the beginning was to give former Crossair pilots an opportunity to upgrade to t
28 konrad : Since EuroLOT is the regional branch of LOT, perhaps Swiss would consider codesharing on these flights? We desperately need a Swiss connection at KRK
29 PhilInBRN : LX seem to be quite selective with regards to applying its code on other airlines' flights. For instance there is still no codeshare on Helvetic flig
30 sailas : Quite a lot happening in Geneva since i moved out, but its good to see GVA growing again, like in the good old days. Any news on the Zurich - Helsinki
31 LXA340 : There are supposedly various fequency cuts planed for the Winter Timetable of SWISS on routes such as YUL, ORD, LAX and SFO. With the arrival of anoth
32 RJ100 : WizzAir is finally arriving in Switzerland with 2 or 3 weekly flights Skopje-Basel: Skopje (SKP) Basel (MLH) W6 7731 Tue, Thu(?), Sat 14:00 16:15 A320
33 Post contains links and images ManuCH : By the way, if anyone's interested, there's the great ZRH A.net meeting taking place on August 25th! Join us, it's definitely worth it! ZRH-A.NET Meet
34 ZRH : Finally (!) Zurich Airport improved the opening hours of terrace E on Saturdays and Sundays. The first bus from terrace B leaves at 1115 so it is now
35 Post contains links and images B738FlyUIA : That is really good news... it's really time they opened the Terrace E!!! Only the first bust leaves rather late and only 11.15!! I was today at ZRH
36 Thomas_Jaeger : They have been returned to the lessors, the only reasonable explanation why they would be at ZRH is SR Technics taking care of them in some way, shape
37 Post contains links david_itl : easyjet have brought forward the start of MAN-BSL to October 1st due "exceptionally strong" pre-bookings. "UK commercial manager Ali Gayward said: "Th
38 ZRH : Actually it was already opened before but the first bus left only 1215 when the 380 was gone. I wrote then an email to the Airport Authority. They an
39 PhilInBRN : Not surprising in my opinion that this route has seen such good booking numbers. LX has risen prices on the ZRH-MAN route instantly after EZYs and ma
40 Post contains images B738FlyUIA : That is really ridiculous!! But at least they changed it. Before the new T2 terrace was open the first bus left at 07.45!! Your welcome... yesterday
41 ZRH : Yes that's true. When construction works were going on for the new Dock B/D the terrace E was open the whole day 7/7. Actually Terrace B is nice espe
42 Post contains images B738FlyUIA : You are right... I personally like the new Dock with there special constructions. But the E is far more better for enthusiasts. Even I must say that
43 ZRH : Thanks for the offer but I don't really have a database. I only like to watch new photos.
44 Post contains links and images B738FlyUIA : @ZRH: Here the last of the 3 IT - Kingfisher VT-VJO in ZRH!! Does anybody know what will be the future of these birds?? They have been a little time
45 Thomas_Jaeger : The other one that is all white is I-EEZJ and will go to Air Berlin as D-ABXC.
46 ZRH : It is nice to have SRTechnics at ZRH. So we can see birds which usually don't come here.
47 viasa : Also in ZRH with SRtechnics is the A340-200 (YV1004) of Conviasa, a former Atlasjet A330-200 (TC-ETP, will became N772RD with Ryan Intl) and a factory
48 Ideekay : Just heard from the press conference about approaches to Zürich: SWISS will exchange many planes until 2020, they want new planes because of the nois
49 Post contains links AntonovA330 : In todays NZZ theres an article about LX' coming CSeries: http://www.nzz.ch/lebensart/auto-mob...s-kanada-fuer-die-swiss-1.17288826 It mainly states t
50 DALCE : It is known that LX is not too keen on their 319's since operating costs are very similar to the 320, with fewer seats. Besides the C-series, is there
51 Semaex : You're bringing up a point which I've been interested in for some time now: In what way is LX affected by SCORE? After all, they are the money-maker
52 DALCE : LX is influenced with SCORE but to what extend I don't exactly know. Also I don't know what information about SCORE is public, so I refrain to go en d
53 ZRH : What does SCORE mean? It would be nice to explain the not often used acronyms.
54 Thomas_Jaeger : Score is the internal name for a restructuring and cost savings initiative at Lufthansa for all group companies including its airline subsidiaries.
55 LXA340 : I don't think SWISS itself will contribute too much to SCORE as they went through a very strong restructuring process from 2004 - 2006 and there is n
56 Post contains links someone83 : Swiss reports good traffic figures for June and first half of 2012 http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...acebook_WW_TrafficFiguresQ2_120710
57 DALCE : Good to see LX score these results in a very difficult environment we currently face in Europe, with also the CHF -> EUR exchange rate being very h
58 Post contains images LXA340 : let's wait and see for the financial results for the first half of 2012
59 nyswiss : Swiss will terminate SKG as of winter 2012
60 LXA340 : as per another forum with usually relatively reliable info the following was posted regarding Winter Timetable 2012/2013. As it looks there will be on
61 ZRH : Question: today (Sat July 14) I saw a Japan Airlines 777 at ZRH. Did they resume ZRH or was this a special flight or deviation?
62 aviationmaster : It was a charter flight from NRT and went on to DBV later in the afternoon.
63 ZRH : Thanks. Then I saw the take-off to DBV. And what did the Saudi 777 here which stood at the Heliport stands and took directly off from there on 34?
64 Post contains links and images Ideekay : I dont know what airline it is but whats the 747SP doing in ZRH? Maintenance by SR Technics or what? Photo made with the "Dock B" cam.[Edited 2012-07-
65 ZRH : I don't think that SRTechnics handles 747s. Probably a private flight as perhaps the Saudi I mentioned above. This 747sp and Saudi 777 stood next to
66 EricR : This concept never succeeded in the U.S. UA/DL/US/CO all attempted to split their ops in order to better compete with low fare carriers. In the long
67 ZRH : last Saturday I watched an interesting thing from terrace E. They loaded a Porsche 911 into an Edelweiss A 330 through the front cargo door. Does Edel
68 DALCE : The cargoholds of the Edelweiss aircraft are being sold by Swiss WorldCargo. Most destinations except a few with short runways take quite some cargo.
69 Post contains images Semaex : Hahaha, welcome to Swizerland!
70 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : It's operated by the Qatar Amiri Flight. View Large View MediumPhoto © Wim Callaert Originally delivered to Pan Am in 1979, then went to UA in 1986
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