n7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1495 posts, RR: 12 Posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9892 times:
As a few of us have mused about -- the deal is done on Republic flying the Q400 for United Express. Per a release going out after the close of markets today, the 28 ex-Colgan Q's will fly and also the 4 Q's flying under Frontier will fly as UAX. Pretty much could see this coming with Republic extending the life of the Q at Frontier a few months ago...
LOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 984 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9780 times:
Great news! I am glad to see the Q400s staying, I don't know why there was any doubt they would. Presumably, the on board service will improve as well.
rl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9720 times:
Any word on who is going to pick up the flying in places where the S340 was flying. (Non-EAS) like BGM and HPN etc. Itd be nice to see them upgrade BGM to jets.
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drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4906 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9664 times:
Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 5): Any word on who is going to pick up the flying in places where the S340 was flying. (Non-EAS) like BGM and HPN etc. Itd be nice to see them upgrade BGM to jets.
Well, down here in Houston the 135s have been showing up.
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1285 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9538 times:
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 9): Please excuse me if this has already been discussed but why did Colgan drop the contract with United on flying Q400s.... Thanks!
Colgan was losing money on the contract. I presume Republic took careful note of the costs associated with flying these for Frontier before bidding. United will likely be paying more for this operation.
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gustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 121 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9387 times:
Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 7): Can't wait to see where the bases are going to be and what new routes, if any, will see the Q.
FutureFO posted in the Frontier thread that crew domiciles would open in EWR and IAD. I heard the Qs would fly for UA in DEN as early as next month, but the release makes no mention of that, so I don't know.
khpn From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8973 times:
Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 4):
Any word on who is going to pick up the flying in places where the S340 was flying. (Non-EAS) like BGM and HPN etc. Itd be nice to see them upgrade BGM to jets.
not sure yet but i would LOVE to see a q400 come to town. no doubt there is enough demand to justify the increase in capacity.
Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8688 times:
I wonder how many former Colgan pilots are hopping on over to Republic....at first year pay. I feel bad for all those guys and gals, there isn't much here to be happy about, in my opinion.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4736 posts, RR: 30 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8262 times:
This was very well planned! Bedford sent a few of his soldiers to Pinnacle.... And this is the outcome. Very well played! Menke should be getting a fat check for this one. Hope the SEC is noticing a pattern here.
DashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1314 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7100 times:
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 15): This was very well planned! Bedford sent a few of his soldiers to Pinnacle.... And this is the outcome. Very well played! Menke should be getting a fat check for this one. Hope the SEC is noticing a pattern here.
This has everything to do with Delta providing DIP financing. They are in the drivers seat, hence Menke's coming departure and Spanjers taking over. Spanjers will do whatever Delta says to do. Dumping all non-DAL flying is part of the DIP deal, just probably not a published part.
rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2395 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6370 times:
Quoting Acey559 (Reply 14): I wonder how many former Colgan pilots are hopping on over to Republic....at first year pay. I feel bad for all those guys and gals, there isn't much here to be happy about, in my opinion.
The ones that are going to be furloughed... it is either work for republic or be unemployed!
N353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 739 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6372 times:
Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 8): Colgan was losing money on the contract. I presume Republic took careful note of the costs associated with flying these for Frontier before bidding. United will likely be paying more for this operation.
Don't worry, Republic is very good at losing money as well.
Seat99A From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 8 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6103 times:
It is beyond me how Colgan lost money charging $800 for a 50 minute Q400 ride between Rochester and Newark. Despite the premium cost (and the fact that the last evening return flight to Rochester was almost always late or cancelled) the Q400 was always well occupied with nary an empty seat. After hijacking rental car after rental car back to Rochester, I abandoned the flying option and now just drive the 4-1/2 hours (stastically faster than that flight). And you KNOW how much it pains a 'Nutter to take the driving option
Any word on who is going to pick up the flying in places where the S340 was flying. (Non-EAS) like BGM and HPN etc. Itd be nice to see them upgrade BGM to jets.
not sure yet but i would LOVE to see a q400 come to town. no doubt there is enough demand to justify the increase in capacity.
JasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 251 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6015 times:
the vast majority of people flying on those planes are not paying $800 for the flight. They're probably paying WAY less. connecting through EWR to florida or wherever. The actual prorated amount to that flight is likely pretty small.
Enjoy your drive.
Quoting Seat99A (Reply 19): It is beyond me how Colgan lost money charging $800 for a 50 minute Q400 ride between Rochester and Newark. Despite the premium cost (and the fact that the last evening return flight to Rochester was almost always late or cancelled) the Q400 was always well occupied with nary an empty seat. After hijacking rental car after rental car back to Rochester, I abandoned the flying option and now just drive the 4-1/2 hours (stastically faster than that flight). And you KNOW how much it pains a 'Nutter to take the driving option
vgnatl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1492 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5629 times:
Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 20): try booking a ticket on UA from IADHPN starting in August. I'm afraid you wont like what you see.
I just tried doing a November flight to BGM and it still hows as a Colgan S340.
BGM being my hometown I'm definitely curious to know what UA will do with the service there. I live in RDU now, so travel back to BGM for holidays and vacations is something I do a few times a year.
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25 bobloblaw: No, UA collected all the revenue. Colgan was responsible for the costs and was paid a flat fee per departure regardless of how many people where on t
26 bhmdiversion: Colgan did not drop this contract, United took this away from them after all the shenanigans going on in MEM with Pinnacle/Colgan GO.
27 futureualpilot: From what I hear, United was willing to play ball and renegotiate the terms. Unfortunately, part of Delta being the DIP for Ch. 11 required Pinnacle C
28 drerx7: Not completely, but they will drawn down by the end of July if I am not mistaken.
29 LOWS: And will UA move the S340s to someone else to operate from IAD?
31 smoot4208: What I got from it was that no one would be picking up the Saabs. That flying will either be dropped or covered by another express partner. In the cas
32 LOWS: Then someone will pick up the EAS service, I presume? (I'm thinking IAD-MGW, amongst others)
33 Mir: You don't say.... This is why the current regional airline model is broken. The majors play them off against one another trying to goad them into eve
34 baje427: In a previous thread it was mentioned that there was a Q400 fitted with a J class cabin will the others be upgraded as well or will the aircraft rever
36 Flighty: I can sympathize with especially the employees, but life isn't always fair. The majors went through an overcapacity / excessive competitor era and so
37 Mir: I wouldn't necessarily say that. The majors weren't forced to treat their regional carriers like hookers - that was a conscious business decision, ba
38 floridaflyboy: They will operate in an F/Y+/Y configuration. Colgan had begun the mods and that will continue.
39 TWA1985: Does anyone know when they will be loaded into the schedule. I'm anxious to book a flight on one of these!
40 bhmdiversion: Negative Ghostrider... The whole DL thing came after UA cut them like a bad habit.
41 LOWS: The Q400s are already in service with UA. Or do you mean with J and Y+?
42 TWA1985: I guess I am referring to the Republic aircraft. I hope they make their way to ORD.
43 RDH3E: Neil, this guy is on about Menke in every single Frontier thread, safest to just ignore him before he blows the whole thread up. I think you've got y
44 FutureFO: Our first base for the Q's is DEN. We have heard a rumour of PIT being a base as well.
45 gigneil: I'm excited and aroused and simultaneously furious. The Q is perfect from DEN to a variety of destinations in Colorado - like COS, clearly. The only r
46 STT757: Absolutely, the major routes under 500 miles currenlty flown by ERJ-170s and CR-7s should be replaced by Q400s. Freeing up the 70 seat RJs to replace
47 floridaflyboy: http://www.avionics-intelligence.com...-turboprop-regional-airliners.html Looks like the groundwork is starting to be put in place for this operation.
48 baje427: How much more Q's do you guys beleive would be suitable ?
49 RDH3E: Obviously it's a matter of opinion, but if you were to use the average utilization of the Q's today, and wanted to cover EVERY route that UAX flies b
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