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Sub Umbra Floreo - Caribbean Aviation Thread 98  
User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13199 times:

Greetings once again to all A.net patrons!!!

Welcome to the 98th instalment of the marathon Caribbean Aviation Thread. This thread is dedicated to terrestial and marine wonder of a country known as BELIZE. The country is located on the north eastern coast of Central America, bordered to the north by Mexico, south and west by Guatemala, and to the east by the Caribbean Sea. Belize is the native country of our very own venerable forum member, Yellowtail.



The motto Sub Umbra Floreo means "I Flourish in the Shade"

Belize has a diverse society, comprising many cultures and languages and it is the only nation in the region with a British colonial heritage but as a part of the Western Caribbean Zone, it also shares a common heritage with the Caribbean portions of other Central American countries. In general, Belize is considered to be a Central American nation with strong ties to both the Caribbean and Latin America. Belize is a member of the Caribbean Community (CARICOM), the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), and Sistema de la Integración Centroamericana (SICA).



Belize has a small, essentially private enterprise economy that is based primarily on agriculture, agro-based industry, and merchandising, with tourism and construction recently assuming greater importance. The National Flower of Belize is the Black Orchid and Belize's national bird is the Keel Billed Toucan. English remains the official language, but the most diverse language in Belize is Kriol (Belizean Creole). Other languages spoken include Garifuna, Mandarin, Spanish and Maya.


Keel Billed Toucan


Cayo


Orange Walk, Belize

Tropic air is the indigenous carrier of Belize. Founded in 1979 by John Greif III with a single airplane and two employees, Tropic has steadily grown to become the largest airline in Belize. The airline posesses a fleet of 9 C-208 Caravans, 2 Grippsland GA-8 Airvans and 1 C-172 Skyhawk. Tropic Air employs over 250 staff and offers over 180 daily scheduled flights throughout Belize and Guatemala.Tropic currently flies over 180 daily flights to 13 destinations in Belize and Guatemala, and took delivery of two new Cessna Caravans on November 15, 2011. This is one airline that appears to have a bright future through its methodical growth and passionate staff.






Philip S. W. Goldson International Airport.


*************News Feed***********
CAL's first B763 (9Y-LGW) in MEX and to be delivered within the next 7-10 days
Ex JM pilots empolyed with CAL subsidary, CARIBAL, to be transferred parent company
SLU government is reported to be looking into setting up a regional carrier with Intro Aviation of Austria
Rumours surrounding Redjet continues - BGI PM considering financial assistance
Rejet gets new CEO in former EU regional airline boss, Geoffrey O’Byrne White
Former CAL CEO Capt Brunton speaks out about the gross incompetencies of the Nicholas led BoD
First CAL ATR 72-600 in JM colors (9Y-TTG) rolls out the shop in TLS
LI's Ag. CEO Brian Challenger resigns. CFO Julie Reifer-Jones named interim replacement
CAL announces BGI as an intermediate stop 2x weekly to LGW, starting June 30, 2012
GORTT Finance Minister reports CAL loses $US52.8M in last year, just days after Nicholas' resignation
CAL's $US150M in cash reserves gone in less than 2 yrs under the Nicholas led BoD
CAL paying for ATRs from cash flow after current board drops ball on export financing
KX to start weekly GCM-DFW service with B733 starting June 23, 2012

**Insider** - Moonan led board to implement Lok Jack BoD recommendations upon their resignation

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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13207 times:

Thanks for getting the new thread up BW424, ive been to belize on a Royal Caribbean cruise I took in 2008. A really nice place with friendly people 
Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):

CAL's first B763 (9Y-LGW) in MEX and to be delivered within the next 7-10 days

Good to know it will reach POS soon

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
First CAL ATR 72-600 in JM colors (9Y-TTG) rolls out the shop in TLS

There have been discussions on this, do we know yet if it will be based at KIN or not?



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13176 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):

Has it been established that the ATR will be delivered to CAL in the near future? Arent there payment issues?


User currently onlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13085 times:

Hey guys, thanks for the new tread! I hope Belize will be in my destination list in the beg. of march! 

We were talking about VENEZUELA-US market, from facebook page, dutch antilles express just announced the fares between these 2 markets!

2.538 VEF, that would be.... 590 USD? official market.

VLN-CUR-MIA



User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13067 times:

Good luck to CAL with the 767 I guess they could operate it on the GEO-JFK route and on peaks to POS-JFK and YYZ if LGW fails

User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12984 times:

Great thread ideas BW424! Thanks

One small amendment. Tropic Air Actually flies to San PEdro Sula, Honduras now....

And if you look in your last pic...jsut above the DL engine nacelle at the bottom there is a guy in a white shirt and black pants walking on the tarmac toward the tired poking air stairs....that is the venerable Rudy Coye who is an institution at BZE. He is so good at turning aircraft a team from Boeing came down in the 90s to see how he could turn a (TA) 762 in 20 min flat.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 3):
Hey guys, thanks for the new tread! I hope Belize will be in my destination list in the beg. of march!

GIve me a hail if you do!



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12954 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
Thanks for getting the new thread up BW424, ive been to belize on a Royal Caribbean cruise I took in 2008. A really nice place with friendly people

Yes, natives of Belize are extremely friendly IMO. I have a few friends in MIA from there and they are some fun people to hang around.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
There have been discussions on this, do we know yet if it will be based at KIN or not?

That's up in the air right now. Everything is rather dubious at the moment.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 3):
We were talking about VENEZUELA-US market, from facebook page, dutch antilles express just announced the fares between these 2 markets!

2.538 VEF, that would be.... 590 USD? official market.

VLN-CUR-MIA

Good move for them to time it for high yielding traffic from VLN.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
Great thread ideas BW424! Thanks

One small amendment. Tropic Air Actually flies to San PEdro Sula, Honduras now....

Your welcome Sir. My apologies for forgetting SAP. I wish the thread headers could be eternally "editable".



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12950 times:

CAL considering flights to Panama
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...__flights_to_Panama-151474905.html

Panamanian President Alberto Martinelli promised yesterday during his address at the Caribbean Investment Forum (CIF), Trinidad Hilton, St Ann's yesterday that his country's Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) will allow the State-owned carrier a licence to fly into Panama.

He said it was reciprocity for Copa Airlines "Panama's national airline" flying directly into Trinidad, and will help strengthen ties between the countries.

"This will be a tremendous boost for Trinidad and Tobago as it will continue to fit into our vision of (becoming) a major transit hub for the Caribbean," Transport Minister Devant Maharaj commented after Martinelli's announcement.

Maharaj also attended the CIF at the Trinidad Hilton and later attended a meeting with the Panamanian delegation (headed by Martinelli), Caribbean Airlines chairman Rabindra Moonan and this country's CAA director general Ramesh Lutchmedial.

"CAL is more than up to (doing this route). The (airline's financial) troubles have to be taken into context in the business operations of CAL. They are not insurmountable and (this new route) will be part of the turning about process for CAL," Maharaj added.

He said the airline was in the process of realigning certain routes that were non-profitable. There may be other permutations, he said, because there are already flights from Trinidad to Miami, so it will be foreseeable to take a flight from Miami and redirect to Panama.

Contacted by the Express after the meeting, Moonan said during a telephone interview the airline will be pursuing the opportunity.

He said because CAL is a State enterprise, a note must be submitted to Cabinet for approval, and once it is approved, Memoranda of Understanding could be signed between CAL and Panama.

"What (Martinelli) said is that the deal is a fait accompli -- once the Cabinet note is accepted and CAL submits the application to the Panamanian CAA, it will be approved," he said.

Moonan said he has instructed CAL's management to fast-track the airline's feasibility studies, and depending on the results, the company will be able to make a decision relating to the Panama route.

"It will give CAL the opportunity to expand into profitable routes... The feasibility study will determine what (our course of action will be). All we have right now is an agreement in principle... I am not in a position to say when the routes could possibly begin," Moonan added.



Rowley: Competition with LIAT will create problems
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...ill_create_problems-151474885.html

Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley has called on Government to return Caribbean Airlines Ltd (CAL) to the original business model at the time of its inception, and, among other things, to stop the airline from running a parallel service to compete with Leewards Islands Air Transport (LIAT) in and around the Caribbean.

Speaking at a news conference at the Opposition Leader office, in Port of Spain Rowley said yesterday CAL seeking to enter into competition with LIAT was doomed and is bound to create problems with Caricom governments.

Noting that the plan of having LIAT run the Caribbean routes while CAL takes passengers out of the region, Rowley said the George Nicholas-led board upset this when it decided to buy ATR planes to run competition with LIAT.

"That has put LIAT into a very difficult position and you would have heard Caribbean prime ministers groaning and complaining about the behaviour of Trinidad and Tobago".

Rowley said after the experience of Caribbean Sun and Caribbean Star, CAL would do nothing different.

"As long as the (other) island Governments support LIAT in the way they have to, because LIAT is bringing tourists (to them) this competition is doomed to create problems," he said. He added that CAL to going to islands like St Lucia with five persons on a plane.

Rowley also said the London route, upon which CAL was about to embark, would also be unprofitable. He said this route was found to be financially unfeasible when BWIA existed. Since then the London route faces more cut-throat competition, lower loads, and CAL, unlike BWIA, is going to Gatwick, which is less attractive.

But perhaps the most ridiculous idea was to consider CAL flying to Mumbai, India, and South Africa. "Absolute madness. Stupidity bordering on malice," he said.

He added that he did not think Government knew what was the story of Air India or the smaller airlines in India. He said the one good thing about this idea is that it would never happen.

"And (thinking of) going to South Africa is even worse," he said.

*******************************************************************

I'm impressed with Mr. Rowley here. I must agree with everything said.



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 7):
"CAL is more than up to (doing this route). The (airline's financial) troubles have to be taken into context in the business operations of CAL. They are not insurmountable and (this new route) will be part of the turning about process for CAL," Maharaj added.

He said the airline was in the process of realigning certain routes that were non-profitable. There may be other permutations, he said, because there are already flights from Trinidad to Miami, so it will be foreseeable to take a flight from Miami and redirect to Panama.

Contacted by the Express after the meeting, Moonan said during a telephone interview the airline will be pursuing the opportunity.

He said because CAL is a State enterprise, a note must be submitted to Cabinet for approval, and once it is approved, Memoranda of Understanding could be signed between CAL and Panama.

"What (Martinelli) said is that the deal is a fait accompli -- once the Cabinet note is accepted and CAL submits the application to the Panamanian CAA, it will be approved," he said.

Chairman might change, but the stupid public comments still continue. Redirect the MIA flight to PTY? LOL, this guy must be comfortable with his title as an idiot. I expect this PTY affair to fade away in similar fashion as DEL/BOM.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 7):
Rowley: Competition with LIAT will create problems

Very salient points by Dr. Rowley, though he has minute facts and opinions slightly off. But, the general viable concept is very present in his utterings.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12873 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 2):
Has it been established that the ATR will be delivered to CAL in the near future? Arent there payment issues?

Yes there are payment problems. what I forgot to ask in my first post was whether or not they will be delivered. BW424 did say this though:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 6):

That's up in the air right now. Everything is rather dubious at the moment.

Honestly its really sad to see CAL in this state, I hope they can turn things around and if that includes severely reducing or close the KIN base, then so be it. The management needs to do things in the best interest of the airline.



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User currently onlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12777 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 8):
Very salient points by Dr. Rowley, though he has minute facts and opinions slightly off. But, the general viable concept is very present in his utterings.

I agree! we all know that LIAT is far from being a "descent" airline, but they're still there connecting the caribbean.... without LIAT, what options do we have?

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 9):
Honestly its really sad to see CAL in this state, I hope they can turn things around and if that includes severely reducing or close the KIN base, then so be it. The management needs to do things in the best interest of the airline.

It's better to be safe, than sorry.... and they must act fast.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9817 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12770 times:

Thanks for starting the new thread BW424. love the Toucan photo, very tropical!!! Regarding DAE, they will start flights to MIA in June as soon as their second MD80 arrives. A third F100 has already arrived but it hasn't started flying yet to my knowledge. In any case, the aircraft is still all-white with no airline titles yet and a temporary Dutch registration. I assume as long as the local registration is not given, the aircraft cannot fly but we'll wait and see.

As for Caribbean Airlines' situation, it is indeed really sad to see them go in this direction. As I have said before, I really hope they will keep the Air Jamaica colors for the coming year as I'm still dying to see it in person and want to photograph it.

A388


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12752 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 7):
CAL considering flights to Panama

The only reason the CM flight to POS works is because of the feed at PTY. It could not survive on O&D alone and IMHO there is not enough market for 2 carriers right now esp if BW will have to run a 738.

I was told by friends in the loop in CM that right now their POS flight major source markets are from SJO, BOG, LIM, SAL, GUA, HAV and if you can believe it...LAX in addition to the PTY traffic. it is about a 60/40 split right now with the 40 being PTY O&D. THey also mentioned to me that any BZE-PTY flight would definitely have to connect to POS as the PDEW is quite good between POS and BZE.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12704 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 3):
We were talking about VENEZUELA-US market, from facebook page, dutch antilles express just announced the fares between these 2 markets!

2.538 VEF, that would be.... 590 USD? official market.

VLN-CUR-MIA

DAE is trying to get some of CM's VLN-MIA market.
That fare is probably promotional

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 7):
Panamanian President Alberto Martinelli promised yesterday during his address at the Caribbean Investment Forum (CIF), Trinidad Hilton, St Ann's yesterday that his country's Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) will allow the State-owned carrier a licence to fly into Panama.

He said it was reciprocity for Copa Airlines "Panama's national airline" flying directly into Trinidad, and will help strengthen ties between the countries.

"This will be a tremendous boost for Trinidad and Tobago as it will continue to fit into our vision of (becoming) a major transit hub for the Caribbean," Transport Minister Devant Maharaj commented after Martinelli's announcement.

Panama's president name is Ricardo not Alberto. However lots of Panamanians are going to like the Trini press got the presidents name wrong.
Martinelli is known to be almost always at odds with CM owners, without jeopardizing what CM does for Panama, it's quite likely our president would try to make comments now and then just to bother our airline owners.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 8):
I expect this PTY affair to fade away in similar fashion as DEL/BOM.

It'd probably fade away, but IMHO BW to PTY, be from POS or KIN, it's not as far fetched as POS-BOM, specially if BW gets to code-share w/CM to tap on the hub and offers a different schedule than CM PTY-POS/KIN-PTY flights.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
I was told by friends in the loop in CM that right now their POS flight major source markets are from SJO, BOG, LIM, SAL, GUA, HAV and if you can believe it...LAX in addition to the PTY traffic. it is about a 60/40 split right now with the 40 being PTY O&D. THey also mentioned to me that any BZE-PTY flight would definitely have to connect to POS as the PDEW is quite good between POS and BZE

Worth to notice that part of CM POS O/D isn't really POS's but its made of passengers from GEO, PBM, GND, BGI..
I do expect CM to be studying the effect of non-POS O/D passengers and how to use those figures so to think about dedicated PTY-GEO/PBM/BGI flights someday.

RE: BW POS-CCS-KIN-IAH talk from last topic
UA IAH-CCS-IAH lowest fares October-December range between USD1272 and USD1752
So if BW was to try POS-CCS-KIN (quick stop, same aircraft/flight number change) -IAH and sell CCS-IAH economy lowest at half those fares, surely only the CCS-IAH-CCS segment would pay the whole POS-IAH-POS operation..

Am I the only here upset to see BW NOT taking advantage of CCS business opportunities?.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 12626 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 8):

I was of the impression that MIA was agood yielding route for MIA. Also as much of the loads to PTY are intransits to other parts of LatAm what makes him think that CAL can compete with COPA. A better solution will be joint code where COPA feeds from the PTY end and CAL from the POS end. This will improve access for passengers originating in GEO and BGI.

COPA runs daily. CAL will not be able to do so therefore on a business heavy route even the most loyal T&T CAL FF miles person will be forcd on to COPA.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 13):

If BW does a POS CCS IAH route (dont see where the market is for KIN IAH as even JM never flew that) UA will quickly collapse airfares and that is the end of that. Again if it is a business route then high frequencies are needed. Broke CAL cannot afford speculative routes right now.

Indeed it will have to drop under performing routes with PHL the first to go. Stay tuned for others....maybe giving LIAT a break and dropping ATR/DH8 service to GND and SLU. After all there doesnt seem to be a likelihood of 9 ATRs....NAS might also go. No ATRs for the KIN base....that is my prediction...as a reduced order will need to be focused on the TAB service, plus flights to BGI and CCS. I guess once the busy summer s eason is over they ill look at forward bookings to determine the futiure of their Jcan operations.

Bottom line is if a route doesnt provided IMMEDIATE positive cash flow it wil be dropped as CAL consolidates. Dont be surprised if some 738s are sent home.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12502 times:

Great thread opener 424, Belize looks fantastic!!! Thanks for the new thread.

GUYAIR707


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 13):
I do expect CM to be studying the effect of non-POS O/D passengers and how to use those figures so to think about dedicated PTY-GEO/PBM/BGI flights someday.

They already are my friend.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 14):
UA will quickly collapse airfares and that is the end of that. Again if it is a business route then high frequencies are needed. Broke CAL cannot afford speculative routes right now.

UA will not quickly collapse airfares if they have a n/s and CAL is one-stop.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):

A lot of ifs and buts. Surely quite speculative for an airline which seems unable to pay for planes that it ordered almost two years ago.

Do a survey in Belize and ask how many people know or care about Caribbean Airlines. If it has a low profile there, imagine elsewhere in LatAm. And I dont mean among aviation/travel types who know more than the average.


Here we have Jcans who reject BW and you expect Venezuelans (few of whom have any ties to Trinidad) to come galloping to BW when it means a detour east to fly north?

When BW gets its act together then maybe all these fantasy ideas about IAH and GRU might make sense as might building BW into a major brand in CCS.

Right now they have ageing dash 8s and cant afford to pay for ATRs that are needed to service their short haul routes.

So with all of this and that cash guzzling hole that KIN has proven to be (I note that no one seems to challenge this afct any more), BW cannot afford to start soimething that might or might not work and will require huge expense to develop brand awareness among people who, not only have never heard of them, but already have access to other carriers.

Given that BW runs atight ship with high a/c utlization it will mean acquiring more planes to fly a new route. Incurring more lease expenses. Just not a good idea right now.

LGW who knows. We wish them the best but that will be a challenge.



The only new route that might have potential is into DC (either IAD or BWI). Decent sized Caribbean population, decent amount of official business by govt execs and intl agency types. This market is very poorly served to the southern Cbn. I will sooner back IAD/BWI than IAH.


Yes BW can improve its connectivity between its CCS routes and its other services to MIA/FLL/JFK/YYZ/and LGW. This way they will not incur high expenses to develop a route and acuire planes. If some are interested they use already existing servics with some schedule adjustments on the CCS route...maybe with 738s on select days if traffic justifies this. It cannot do more than this.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12418 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 17):
Do a survey in Belize and ask how many people know or care about Caribbean Airlines. If it has a low profile there, imagine elsewhere in LatAm

I did....for a proposal to BW    as a matter of fact.

Actually CAL name recognition among those that matter (Business community, Gov't etc ) is very high...as the vast majority travel to the E. Caribbean on a very regular (AA coffer filling) basis.

Do not underestimate the business that is conducted in T&T..everything from PET containers for Coca Cola to uniform wholesalers



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12372 times:

CAL's first 767 has finally been caught in a proper photo.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sergio Mota - Aviation Photography of Mexico




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User currently offlinehausauflennon From Barbados, joined Jul 2009, 86 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12362 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 19):
CAL's first 767 has finally been caught in a proper photo.

Looking quite sharp as well. Glad to see her out and about, cannot wait to see her in BGI. I still remain unsure of how successful BW will be on this route, with BA's continued dominance in POS and more over in BGI, with VS as well.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12310 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 19):

What a beaut. Shame about the winglets not having the hummingbird wings, hopefully will be added before she goes into service. Just to make her complete.

I hope the service is successful and I hope to see her on JFK-GEO one day.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12255 times:

Well, here's what is suppose to 9Y-LGW doing testing in MEX


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sergio Mota - Aviation Photography of Mexico



****My apologies.....didn't see LimaFoxTango's post of the aircraft. GUYAIR707, I believe the finishing touches will be done in POS from what I've heard.

[Edited 2012-05-15 22:48:44]


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12214 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 19):
Quoting BW424 (Reply 22):

Glad to finally see a photo of it on a.net! 



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9817 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12112 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 19):
CAL's first 767 has finally been caught in a proper photo.

Wow, nice livery!!! I hope I will see it one day.

A388


25 beeweel15 : Nice to see it now I hope after these two they get some factory fresh 787-800's and 737Max aircraft
26 baje427 : They will need to get their finances sorted out first since they cant even get the other ATR's which they ordered.
27 Post contains images A388 : That is precisely what I wanted to say too. Caribbean Airlines can dream about adding more aircraft to their fleet, let alone brandnew ones seeing th
28 baje427 : Wonder if they will paint the winglets its sad to say but I cant see CAL making it much longer with its current management structure the Trinidadians
29 guyanam : What the T&T electorate will demand is an end to the KIN base if it continues to be a cash flow drain. They definitely will not endorse support o
30 GUYAIR707 : EZjet says on their Facebook page they are aiming to start GEO-YYZ on June 28. GUYAIR707
31 guyanam : Trouble for CAL (at least until EZJet goes belly up) as those Canadian Guyanese are especially hostile to CAL and Piarco and will jump on a donkey ca
32 OA260 : Great pic and nice to see in the CAL livery .
33 yellowtail : Not to be blunt, but you always say the guyanese are hostile to BW.....if they are so hostile why don't the fly DL for example? All bark and no bite
34 guyanam : In case you dont know they do fly DL which had heavy loads, despite offering no inflight meals, higher fares and a less liberal baggage allowance tha
35 yellowtail : Well I have seen many dreamers come and go. Everyone (including some smart folks) thinks they can run an airline. Ignorance is bliss. High enough, ye
36 guyanam : Look at it this way. Guyanese have suffered at the hands of these dreamers yet their dissatisfaction with DL and BW give yet others hope that they wi
37 Post contains images yellowtail : Too bad B6s 320 can't make it....but alas the Guyanese (if what you say is true) would probably be upset that they don't get LiveTV the whole way and
38 GUYAIR707 : While I find your discussion with Guyanam entertaining, I don't see what part of his discussion brought you to this opinion. I find your slur uncouth
39 BW424 : Your most welcome. I have to make my way down there sometime.........it just looks like to much fun from what I've heard. Things at CAL are woefully
40 Post contains links and images BW424 : "CARIBBEAN AIRLINES APPOINTS CLIVE FORBES AS NEW JAMAICA GENERAL MANAGER" "Caribbean Airlines today announces the appointment of Mr. Clive Forbes as G
41 beeweel15 : No it is not a joke. I am damn serious and think that this mess needs to be cleaned up. If I had the job it would be done by christmas.
42 BWIA 772 : If RD gets money from the GOB do you think it will be an issue in the up coming election? Thanks for putting up the new thread we are inching closer
43 BWIA 772 : Well I personally think it is wonderful that you do not have the job of cleaning up BW. You do know that those things are going to be expensive to le
44 GUYAIR707 : Let me say that I am not defending whatever anyone else says on this thread, I am commenting on what was said as a Guyanese. No stereotyping is accep
45 BW424 : That's my point. One does not have to be part of the group in question to identify stereotypical comments/ behavior. Not when it hits home (in its mo
46 A388 : You said it right, the mess needs to be cleaned up first. Good luck in getting this all done by Christmas. I don't think you realize how much has to
47 yellowtail : Actually I was trying to make a counterpoint point to a guyanam argument that Guyanese people dislike BW and are treated badly by BW, Trini's etc etc
48 N202PA : It seems like the concept of an all-Caribbean airline is too farfetched to actually be a success in reality. Too many countries with their own agendas
49 2travel2know2 : After the rollercoaster that Air Jamaica and BWIA/Caribbean operations have been for years, not sure if any private group would venture to run a new
50 GUYAIR707 : Apology accepted, but there is no need to apologize, I understand now how you meant it. BW does not treat all Guyanese badly, I fly regularly with th
51 N202PA : I admit it's probably pie-in-the-sky thinking, but wouldn't a set of lean airlines representing each country (T&T, Barbados, Guyana, Jamaica) for
52 yellowtail : Realistically, that would take a miracle of cooperation. But you are thinking Grupo TA on a smaller scale.
53 Post contains links guyanam : http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...-to-send-guyanese-in-ny-to-hotels/ http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...bean-airlines-boycott-trini-goods/ ht
54 JM017 : Funny, how Taca and LAN are able to make such an alliance work. It would be great in the Caribbean and maybe the only way for us to survive against A
55 BW424 : Well, that is what many have attempted to do over the decades, most recent being CAL/JM. But, we've seen the outright rebellion from our indigenous p
56 2travel2know2 : I actually like that idea. Let every major Caribbean country have its own airline, free of government interference, to form an alliance code-sharing
57 N202PA : That's what I'm thinking. Maybe even go a step further and combine air carrier cooperation and fleet commonality (via ordering together as one unit)
58 2travel2know2 : IMHO, if national funds are going to be used to start up a local airline (that means future government interference) the project is doomed to fail fr
59 N202PA : I would agree, but I'm talking in terms of investors within those nations - because if this were to happen, I can't imagine the cash is going to come
60 JM017 : Got it. I was thinking more like.... Or.... Unfortunately....
61 A388 : The problem with the Caribbean in my opinion is pride. As much as I also would like to see such an alliance, the pride of each islands (some more tha
62 Post contains images A388 : My latest aircraft photos in the database are the following: A388
63 yellowtail : TA still uses codes from Aviateca, Lacsa etc in its day to day operations.... BTW, why is a.net acting all screwy and slow to load when you try to ope
64 BE77 : GDP of Brasil, Chile, Peru, Argentina, Columbia, Peru, Ecuador, Dom Republic (more or less Taca/Lan AAKAIK) is about $3.6 Trillion if I got my 0's ri
65 baje427 : A regional carrier is a pie in the sky idea the current leaders in the region are not mature enough for this to materialise perhaps in the next decade
66 baje427 : Noticed PY 737 in BGI today was this a charter?
67 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...__operational_risk_-152179785.html Seems like CAL will be getting a bailout from the GORTT. Questions surround
68 windian425 : Charter for the Mexican Summit being held in BGI.
69 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Posted a trip report from when I went to FLL to do the Royal Caribbean cruise in 2008: Trip From The Past: MNI-ANU-KIN-FLL, RC Cruise (by 817Dreamliin
70 baje427 : Thanks for the info
71 guyanam : What I dont understand is whether AJs losses of $38MM is part of CALs losses of $53MM or in addition to this amount. Also Ian Brunton led the negotia
72 andrefranca : These days only flymontserrat is operating the route ANU-MNI ?
73 817Dreamliiner : We also have SVG air on the route as well which is operated by ABM air which I think operate twice daily along with the flymontserrat flights. Not to
74 N202PA : Why did CAL go after the ATR-72 as a replacement for the Q300? The capacity is greater...does inter-island flying (including the short hops to Tobago
75 A388 : Why chose an aircraft type that is increasingly difficult to maintain due to parts being difficult to obtain. Why chose older aircraft types to repla
76 N202PA : Fair enough, but I was thinking in terms of capacity. Why fly a bigger aircraft unless there is a market for that many seats to most of your destinat
77 A388 : Whether a bigger aircraft is needed or not on most of their destinations, is something that needs to be proven and I think Caribbean Airlines has thi
78 N202PA : Agreed, the question in my mind is whether the fuel burn of the larger ATR makes sense for the routes they fly versus the smaller one (or the Q300).
79 A388 : All valid points. Having insight into the load factors of the routes where the Dash-8-300 was/is used, can give us more clarity. A388
80 Inbound : As much as I preferred the choice of the Dash8-Q400 over the ATR72-600, over the last few months, the ATR has proven to burn much less fuel than the
81 baje427 : Other than the Q400 CAL really had no other options to replace the Q300 I believe CAL added additional flights on the POS-TAB route recently which wou
82 N202PA : Interesting information; thanks!
83 guyanam : The TAB route is noted for shortages of airlift especiallt at peak periods. With 15-20 flights daily getting a larger plane simply means cutting back
84 Post contains images A388 : So we all conclude that the extra seats on the ATR72-600 fits Caribbean Airlines well. Now let's put those ATR's to good use to Curacao as well A388
85 Post contains images andrefranca : Yes please, the fares from POS to CUR are very high, even with PY and LI on this market, DAE is talking talking and taling until now... and I'm also
86 2travel2know2 : And POS-CUR return with CM is: ____
87 A388 : Just to be clear, DAE never has talked about starting POS flights, if that is what you mean. Both Insel Air and DAE have expansion plans and both nee
88 LimaFoxTango : Very strong rumour around LI is that an announcement will be made very soon about acquiring Q400's. Seem's there will be a mix of 300's/400's in the f
89 817Dreamliiner : Interesting, nice to see they are planning to get new aircraft finally, the current dashs have been around for a while now. If this rumor is confirme
90 A388 : If LI will send the Q400 to CUR than I'm all for it!!! A388
91 baje427 : As much as I like the Q400 from an aesthetics point of view the ATR is a better aircraft for LI ops in addition, where will LI get the funds? I assume
92 A388 : You have said the reason yourself ---> financing. Even though the Q400 might be less preferable for LI it remains the cheapest option for LI, from
93 andrefranca : And just to be clear I was talking about CUR-MAO with DAE, so far haven't seen a move on MAO airport, and they've been marketing on the FB page for m
94 Post contains images A388 : I see, unfortunately that's the way airlines work in the Caribbean. Sad but true. And that's the attractiveness of CM in my opinion A388
95 BW424 : Well, they never really talked about it, but they do seem to implicitly state their intentions on facebook. There was a "future" route map with all d
96 A388 : That is true, we have to wait and see how and at what pace their route network will expand. A388
97 817Dreamliiner : I wonder about this as well, the baggage might be understandable, but the failure to climb to a decent altitude just doesn't sound right to me.
98 baje427 : Is this in regards to the ATR? I cant imagine getting to 7000 feet between POS-TAB should be an issue is the ATR not more capable than the Q300?. Spea
99 817Dreamliiner : Yes we are talking about the ATR, but you make a valid point, they shouldn't need to be climbing higher than 7000-8000 for POS-TAB which is only 45nm
100 baje427 : As far as I know the routes you quoted are correct I often notce CAL Q300 tend to fly higher on the POS-BGI route as compared to LI. Have noted some C
101 GUYAIR707 : Got a word from a travel agent today EZjet is in serious trouble. I guess it comes as no surprise. GUYAIR707
102 guyanam : Oh well hear we go again. Thing is CAL didnt give them as much space as BWIA gave Universal etc with their high fares so I really dont have sympathy
103 GUYAIR707 : Speaking of which, I am on 527 on Saturday, I was hoping to use this service a few times more, but I am sure with any demise of EZjet 526/27 will be
104 guyanam : I suspect the 526/527 will operate summer and xmas as there is more then enough traffic to justify. They did do it last xmas before they got paranoid
105 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : http://www.newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,160658.html I guess you didn't read this. Apparently they are now saying that the LGW flight will be 2 times in
106 guyanam : Not surprised. I also think the route will be 2X nonstop 2X via BGI. Leaving quite a loat of capacity for flights to N America. This is a Nicholas fi
107 baje427 : This is shaping up to be a mess if the allocate the 767 to NA this means some 738 flights will be replaced how will they rework their network so the p
108 A388 : That is a valid question and something I'm wondering about as well. How will Caribbean Airlines get their aircraft utilization to work efficiently wi
109 LimaFoxTango : Any truth to the fact BW's London flight will now be operated by OMNI 767's?
110 A388 : if something is a fact than that is obviously the truth as it is confirmed but in this case you are probably referring to a rumor of the Caribbean Ai
111 817Dreamliiner : Where did you hear this? I havent seen anything about this.
112 Post contains links LimaFoxTango : Gremlins on my keyboard. That was indeed meant to read rumour, not fact. As I normally take this guy's info with a grain of salt, it was mentioned he
113 817Dreamliiner : Hmmm I remember this site, not sure how credible they and whoever post there are.
114 Post contains links andrefranca : Hey guys I'm not sure if this post will be interesting to everyone, but T4 Trip Airlines of brazil has often seasonal charter flights to AUA, SXM with
115 A388 : Azul has no ties to B6 what I've read in the Brazilian thread so they're not a sister of B6 in any way. Mr. Neeleman was the founder of both B6 and A
116 Post contains images A388 : No problem my friend. I thought it was a typo So we still need more clarity on this rumor. Let's see how this London route pans out over time. A388
117 Post contains images A388 : Not Caribbean related but still a tropical environment, below are my latest SQ photos taken in SIN when I attended a ICAO course there last year: Chee
118 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Great photos again A388! I remember seeing a SQ A380 at LHR earlier this year , wasnt my first though.
119 Post contains images A388 : Thanks 817Dreamliiner. In Singapore you will see many SQ A388's A388
120 Post contains images LimaFoxTango : Not knowing much about these two airlines, I decided to do a little reading on Wikipedia . Seems TRIP's fleet is majority ATR's, while Azul has major
121 Post contains images A388 : Yes, fleet-wise it is a perfect match A388
122 Post contains images andrefranca : Bahhhhhh related or not even the staff of AD call them this way and besides that Neeleman just made a Xerox photocopy of B6 in 90% of its aspects and
123 baje427 : Its almost the end of May have any of the 763 arrived in POS?
124 BW424 : That's a persistent rumour if CAL's 763s don not come in time. The first aircraft (ex CC-CEB) is said to be ready and waiting in MEX. However, there
125 A388 : Of course Azul is a copy of B6 because Neeleman invented B6!!! But again there is no conection to B6 at all, the two airlines are just very similar b
126 Post contains images A388 : Also, Surinam Airways is celebrating its 50 years of existance by adding a (small) sticker aft of the fuselage of one of their 737-300 promoting their
127 baje427 : Nice pics A388 there are currently specials in BGI for trips to CUR if I did not have work or have to use LI I migh of considered it.
128 Post contains images A388 : Thanks Baje427. If LI will get the Q400 than more people from Barbados and the region can visit CUR A388
129 Post contains images andrefranca : Thmbs up for Surinam Airways! anyone here has any info on the PBM-BEL route? it has being running for quite a while I will try this route next year
130 windian425 : I agree with you on this A388!
131 caribbean484 : Yes it is true, since CAL cannot get regulatory approval from the TTCAA because of an ongoing audit, neither 767s will be in Trinidad for at least an
132 817Dreamliiner : I see, thanks for clearing this up for us Caribbean484
133 baje427 : Maybe but I am not sold on the Q400 for LI ops outside of GEO,CUR,SDQ its too big of an aircraft unless LI intends to cut some routes. Why did they no
134 caribbean484 : Well that is what I got from insiders, not sure how the TTCAA works in all of this and I reflects a chronic lax in performance, but what can I say. T
135 A388 : I'm very happy we have an air connection to the Leeward Islands through LI because having lived in Curacao almost my whole life made me feel as if Cu
136 baje427 : Thanks for the info A388 I can understand your sentiment about CUR I had a friend who was querying where it is exactly and what language you guys spea
137 andrefranca : hahahahaha EXACTLY! I was once in Guyana and the customs asked about the curaçao liquers and souvenirs and I said "just bought them in Curaçao" and
138 817Dreamliiner : I always get this response whenever I tell people im from Montserrat, happens in lots of the other Caribbean islands ive been to as well as here in t
139 caribbean484 : People normally associate the Caribbean with Cuba, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Virgin Islands, Barbados and T&T, since these island
140 Post contains images A388 : You both have very valid points, in my opinion it's a combination of unfamiliarity and language barriers. As andrefranca rightfully said, Curacao is
141 817Dreamliiner : Very true Yes and I do know this, however this doesnt explain the lack of knowledge within the Caribbean even when the volcano doesnt erupt. Either w
142 baje427 : DOT October 2011 statistics BGI B6 JFK-BGI Seats Pax L/F 4650 4361 93.78% AA DFW-BGI Seats Pax L/F 2240 1162 51.88% AA JFK-BGI Seats Pax L/F 1807 1342
143 A388 : Baje427, thank you for the load factors. Do you have this data for AUA and SXM? That would be great!!! A388
144 baje427 : Here you go AUA PY MIA-AUA Seats Pax L/F 1764 1424 80.73% B6 BOS-AUA Seats Pax L/F 4350 3806 87.49% JFK-AUA Seats Pax L/F 8400 7199 85.7% CO EWR-AUA S
145 guyanam : SXM because it is English speaking is more popular. However that guy must be pretty young because as recently as the late 80s ALM used to run 5X per
146 A388 : Thanks baje427, those are good load factors to AUA and SXM. I wish CUR will become the same in the future. A388
147 baje427 : When did Insel start CLT? I would hope the loads have improved since then perhaps CUR needs to adopt some of the strategies used by AUA and SXM to att
148 A388 : According to Insel Air's website the CLT route started on June 22 of last year, the route hasn't been operated for more than a year. I also hope CUR
149 guyanam : So whats the verdict LGW? With only 2X vs BAs 6X that pretty much puts them out of the business market as executives need flexibility and dont want t
150 A388 : Why would that be needed? The aircraft can be leased to only operate the LGW flights. I know it is expensive but where would they place those 767's i
151 guyanam : I do know that the TTCAA is a govt entity as is CAL. While they must do their job in an objective manner, one would think that they wouldnt jeopardiz
152 LimaFoxTango : I hope you're not by any means saying the TTCCA is partly responsible for CAL's mess. Audits on airlines do not come up by surprise and CAL would hav
153 caribbean484 : Guys hold on, CAL is not under audit it is the TTCAA performance and by extension Trinidad and Tobago laws are under audit by ICAO to make sure the c
154 LimaFoxTango : From what I'm aware, this CAT1 certification is a FAA thing, not ICAO. The US, which feels they must be the worlds police in most things, implemented
155 Post contains images yellowtail : WELL when I mention Belize....I usually get, "ohhhh...Brazil"
156 caribbean484 : I know Cat ratings is an FAA mandate, however I mentioned that it is part of an ongoing audit that is taking place to make sure the country does not
157 Post contains images LimaFoxTango : Fair enough You'll be surprised how many people from the "big islands" know little about the "small islands". I have Jamaican friends who admit they
158 caribbean484 : Man I agree, I primary and secondary school we had to learn every island in the West Indies, their capital, airport, language and their economies, no
159 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Interesting especially since Belize in my opinion is one of the bigger places in the Caribbean and is on cruise ship itineraries.(unlike some places
160 Post contains images yellowtail : Yeah, but we are stuck out in the western "se habla espanol" part of the caribbean. I guess the good part is when we get "island fever" we can just d
161 Post contains links LimaFoxTango : CAL must wet lease CARIBBEAN AIRLINES (CAL) now has no choice but to wet lease an airplane if it intends to initiate its return to London on June 14 a
162 GUYAIR707 : He must be pretty young, as for many years ALM used to fly almost daily to GEO. In addition, for a while Guyana Airways use to fly GEO-CUR-JFK, I was
163 andrefranca : Yes I went to SXM with a friend once, he only speaks portuguese/spanish, he was sad he couldn't get through as people used to speak only in english (
164 817Dreamliiner : Thanks for posting the article LimaFoxTango, What I fail to understand is the problems with the ATRs. As far as I know, no other operators of the -60
165 baje427 : I think this may more be an issue of financing rather than problems with the aircraft but that is just a presumption on my part.
166 817Dreamliiner : But the article posted by LimaFoxTango said there were performance issues:
167 A388 : It puzzles me too and I think they are looking for excuses to get rid of the aircraft with minimal penalties because of the contractual agreement the
168 baje427 : I really don't think the ATR has performance issues I find it very interesting only CAL has these issues unless they are making these claims to get a
169 BW424 : Well, I presume so as well and it looks as if those presumptions may be very well be correct. The ATR, from what I've heard from multiple reliable so
170 817Dreamliiner : I really hope they keep them as well, especially the one in the JM livery! It would really be a shame if it went. And now it gets more confusing, I g
171 Post contains images A388 : So I will probably never see the JM 738's... A388
172 817Dreamliiner : As much as I would have liked to see one myself, CAL needs to do whats best for the entire company and if that includes getting rid of the JM then so
173 Post contains images A388 : Those JM 738 birds are so beautiful, I really hope they can work everything out so they both become a lean, mean operating machine together A388
174 817Dreamliiner : I agree, I remember when I saw a pic of the first aircraft (I think on jetphotos but im not entirely sure) and thought it was pretty good, not fully
175 baje427 : While the livery is nice I do agree CAL has more pressing needs if they are not rectified both the CAL and JM liveries will be history.
176 A388 : Don't get me wrong guys, I do understand that they must have their organization in order to make a profit first. If that means JM needs to be shutdow
177 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Cayman Airways to code-share GCM-PTY w/CM from http://www.aerolatinews.com/ in Spanish It seems that CGM wouldn't wait until CM makes its way to the i
178 A388 : I guess the same can be said for CM starting flights to CUR which means that passengers no longer need to go through MIA for onward connections to So
179 baje427 : I am surprised KY never tried a CGM-POS or BGI atleast once a week given the offshore banking sector etc but maybe the demand is not there.
180 yellowtail : Don't think POS or BGI have the shopping demand that PTY has to fill the back of the plane. I eagerly await CM in BZE.
181 A388 : I agree with Yellowtail as well. There probably is very little to no demand between those islands, even with the offshore banking sector. We're not t
182 N312RM : Thanks for posting the article. What a shame as this will cost CAL dearly. Typically when an airline adds a new aircraft to its AOC, it must satisfy
183 A388 : One would think that everyone would have known all these requirements indeed and maybe they did. We don't know what happened or is happening behind c
184 BW424 : lol...well, if the repainting is indeed on the cards, it will take a while to do so to all 6 JM painted 738s One thing many people seem to have diffi
185 BW424 : Exactly....it will cost CAL very very dearly. It's sad that a company such as CAL, a once promising model state enterprise that was to be partially/f
186 N312RM : This code share was always in the works. Idea is that KX will code share on CM flights to other Central and South America destinations, particularly
187 817Dreamliiner : Yes im aware of JM not existing anymore, but the livery still gives JM some form of identity (well at least for me). Honestly I wasnt for the dual br
188 Post contains images A388 : I know Caribbean Airlines and Air Jamaica are one and the same company but haven't those JM painted birds been leased because they took over the form
189 BW424 : Understood. You see it virtually as another airline lost. I'm almost certain that KIN ops will not cease...and by that...I mean the hub operation the
190 Post contains links LimaFoxTango : I notice there are now two REDjet aircraft parked in BGI. I understand one left 1 maybe 2 weeks ago and has not returned. Not sure which of the three
191 baje427 : AA wasted no time here I imagine if the flights could be operated profitably without the subsidy they would have continued as is or they could have re
192 Post contains links guyanam : http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120602/news/news4.html More Jamaicans gone. Curious to learn whether Jcans bear 100% of the down sizing and wheth
193 andrefranca : You gotta see with your own eyes how they are treated, I felt very sorry for them, some of them were really wanting to visit their families and frien
194 guyanam : This site shows a problem. Trinis hardly go on the Jamaica site and Jcans dont come here. Those who are neither go on both sites, so provide the conn
195 JM017 : Yup. Few Jamaicans comment here. And personally, I think the segregation does us all a disservice. Not just these threads, but in general there is gr
196 BW424 : As far as I know, Jamaican crews operate flights out of the KIN base and Trini/Caribbean crews out of POS. The F/As are now once again being mixed. I
197 JM017 : You have got to be kidding me. THAT is your response? Quite honestly, your response is part of the problem. My response could and perhaps should be p
198 Post contains images caribbean484 : The forum was split because there was a thought that not enough Jamaica was being talked about on the forum, plus some ridiculous and insulting argum
199 A388 : Let's stay focussed here guys. Caribbean Airlines is experiencing bad management decisions as has been discussed here. The Jamaican resistance is anot
200 caribbean484 : Actually the airline was flourishing up until the time Ian Brunton left the airline, it was the last time the airline truly posted a profit, and from
201 baje427 : The ATR has already been to BGI operating the later 447 service will miss the Q's tho the CAL liveries on the Q's are great. While consolidation is b
202 JM017 : Agreed. And, while I am Jamaican, the Caribbean and Caribbean aviation is bigger than any one country. Yeah, leaving it alone now.
203 2travel2know2 : During the years, the performance of Air Jamaica and BWIA/Caribbean haven't been quite the same as the performance of the airline mentioned above. Wh
204 LimaFoxTango : Is it safe to say the talk of performance issues have now gone cold? What about the 5 (probably 7 by now) aircraft still in TLS?
205 caribbean484 : lol as BW424 said, all of a sudden the a/c are magically performing better than expected. the other 7 are still in TLS and word our of POS is that th
206 baje427 : If so what is the proposed timeline for the retirement of the Q300's? Would Li be interested in picking up any some of CAL Q's were built in the 2000'
207 guyanam : BTW Ian Brunton ordered 9 ATR planes. Unless you forgot that he was fired because he refused to bend to those who wanted dash 8s instead. I would arg
208 JM017 : I honestly think it's too late. A lot of anger over the redundancies right now. ON top of everything else. And the sentiment is to support anyone els
209 guyanam : I myself have heard Jcans express the view that the heavy redundancies of Jcans has dimmed their view of that airline. The facts are that some redund
210 BW424 : Sorry if you took offence to that response, but it meant no harm. However, fact is fact. The Caribbean thread hasn't in anywhere tried to champion an
211 Post contains links and images A388 : Hello all, Below is my photo of a Dana Air MD83 passing Curacao on its way to Africa: View Large View MediumPhoto © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviat
212 JM017 : Okay, THIS will be my final word on this: I did not, and still do not feel the thread should have been separated. So for me the whole unity argument
213 JM017 : I sympathize on this point. It makes good business sense to consolidate under one brand. Check United and Continental, NW and Delta, etc. But for all
214 A388 : This is all very sad indeed as you all point but unfortunately we have to live with different attitudes and cultures. I also think such attitudes are
215 Post contains links caribbean484 : Welcome to my respected user list, I could not agree with you more. This is an article that The Caribbean: A Long-Term Road Map for Integration http:
216 A388 : Interesting article but as has been said before, the problem lies in the individualism the majority of the Caribbean islands has. I will be honest in
217 817Dreamliiner : I agree with you 100% I agree here as well. I wasn't on this forum when the split occurred so im not entirely sure of any effort that was made (if an
218 817Dreamliiner : I think its worth noting this. This is what fellow A.net Member Hummingbird said at the beginning of the 1st JA thread: I know the case of the splitt
219 guyanam : UA, DL etc are not national icons. BWIA and Air Jamaica were. Especially in the overseas communities which often saw them as the most visible symbols
220 2travel2know2 : I'm going to dare to add a 3rd option to some of this forum disliking: If Caribbean can't get Jamaican passengers to fly with them, let the 3rd optio
221 A388 : Be very careful what you're saying here. Even though the U.S. doesn't have any national carrier, there are lots of people who have there own U.S. air
222 guyanam : First off let us put aside any new routes from KIN to N America. Not happening. If they canned PHL, a route that JM fdlew since Dec 1971, and one whe
223 turk223 : ...and, at the risk of my becoming annoying by repeating myself, I keep on hoping for CM in BGI on e of these days (soon)
224 Post contains links and images BW424 : New forum up. The Valley - Caribbean Aviation Thread 99 (by BW424 Jun 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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