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Icelandair - DEN-KEF Bookings  
User currently offlinedia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9679 times:

Does anyone know how advanced bookings are looking for DEN-KEF? A lot of people seem skeptical that this route will work, but I think it has a lot of potential.

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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

I am from Colorado and have been to Iceland. I think it will work, but it will need time to develop. FI is not a carrier people in Colorado really know about.

Colorado has always been underserved internationally. I am very hopeful about this route.


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 8981 times:
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Quoting klwright69 (Reply 1):
I am from Colorado and have been to Iceland. I think it will work, but it will need time to develop. FI is not a carrier people in Colorado really know about.

I don't know about it working out

LAX and SFO are far larger markets, why not there, why Denver?


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1297 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 8932 times:

They do have a codeshare with F9 that will help for connections though

User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 2):
LAX and SFO are far larger markets, why not there, why Denver?

Perhaps folks in Colorado are more used to the climate that Iceland has. Although I suppose you could ask why would someone go on vacation to a similar location.


User currently offlineslclaxkixkhh From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8554 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 2):
LAX and SFO are far larger markets, why not there, why Denver?

One issue with LAX and SFO is that they are out of the range of the 757 from KEF.



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User currently offlineBeechToBus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

SFO and LAX are not in profitable range of KEF for the 757. DEN is also quite under served from Europe for a metro area of 3 million, 4.5 million if the Front Range is included, plus all the regional western USA feed that comes through DEN.

[Edited 2012-05-15 17:16:17]

[Edited 2012-05-15 18:07:08]

User currently offlinecoffeepilot From United States of America, joined May 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8435 times:

Mainly inbound traffic from Europe. Also, lots of connectivity at KEF to Scandinavia... high yielding.

User currently offlineflaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

I have a question that may be a little off topic but I am curious about the answer. I am assuming that the pilots for FI have never flown into Denver before. In a case like this, do the pilots take some sort of practice run into DEN to get familiar with the airport before they commence operations?


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User currently offlineFi642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

It won't last. Someone's idea of fun. Mark my word.


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User currently offlineicelandair75w From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Bookings are superb! Icelandair will be in Denver for a while to come.

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3323 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

I was flying out of DEN and was (pleasantly) surprised to see an FI 757 on the ramp. I, too, hope the route succeeds, for the sake of further developing DEN's international ties.

User currently offlineflaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

Quoting slclaxkixkhh (Reply 5):
One issue with LAX and SFO is that they are out of the range of the 757 from KEF.

Does this flight have to take a hit on pax and payload due to the altitude in Denver. Especially in Summer when it is a hot and high airport.



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

FI is not serving Iceland just for Iceland. It is for connections. There is a codshare on the DEN end, so I think the route will be fine as I said.

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 8):
I have a question that may be a little off topic but I am curious about the answer. I am assuming that the pilots for FI have never flown into Denver before. In a case like this, do the pilots take some sort of practice run into DEN to get familiar with the airport before they commence operations?

I wouldn't think so... DEN is not a special case airport.


User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 12):
Does this flight have to take a hit on pax and payload due to the altitude in Denver. Especially in Summer when it is a hot and high airport.

I wouldn't think so for the simple fact that is has very long runways (which I may be mistaken but...) to assist with that very issue.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 2):
LAX and SFO are far larger markets, why not there,
Quoting slclaxkixkhh (Reply 5):
One issue with LAX and SFO is that they are out of the range of the 757 from KEF

I remember the blood letting of the FI SFO-KEF route on their Loftleider 767. FI did try and market it, it just never worked well. IIRC the employees of FI voted to launch SFO over LAX. I do think LAX would have done better for FI, at least IMHO.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6549 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 15):

One of the main reasons for suspending the SFO flight was their choice of using the 767 on this route. They dedicated 2 ? 767s to this route which increased costs dramatically. When a flight went tech, delays were often because they did not have an aircraft as a backup. The flights were full, does not always equate profit, and they had connections trough tout Europe.



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

DEN allows FI to serve a decent market in the western USA, without having to deploy a widebody.

User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1368 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5786 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 14):
I wouldn't think so for the simple fact that is has very long runways (which I may be mistaken but...) to assist with that very issue.

Looking at the takeoff tables ( http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/757_23.pdf ) and on very hot days ( think almost 10k feet density altitude at 100F in DEN) and MTOW you can run out of tire speed before you run out of runway (on the 16,000 footer). In fact with the lower tire speed, a 757-200 can't use much more than 10k feet.

Not sure how much weight they would run on a full flight. The range chart is not based on passenger count, just OEW + payload, but it looks like for most configs the 757-200 doesn't have to go full MTOW for just 3100nm. But if they need to the full MTOW they will be weight limited occasionally or wait until after dark for the temp to drop. Does FI carry belly freight out of DEN? I see two tire speeds listed - do airlines run different spec tires?


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 5511 times:

SFO and lax were out or 757 range so much that is why they failed and den might survive. It's still gonna be a gamble but denver has tons of traffic and there really might be a good opportunity since united refuses to fly to Europe. In fact of the three hubs in denver not one has a transcontinental flight to Europe or Asia which is rare.

I have met tons of Europeans exploring colorado and the rockies and colorado is home to a very young and travel friendly budget minded travel population so Iceland air has a good shot. The target audience I think is definitely there and denver is a good fit for the Iceland air budget traveler. Let's see how they do but I think denver is a good try


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 16):
One of the main reasons for suspending the SFO flight was their choice of using the 767 on this route. They dedicated 2 ? 767s to this route which increased costs dramatically. When a flight went tech, delays were often because they did not have an aircraft as a backup. The flights were full, does not always equate profit, and they had connections trough tout Europe.

They really didn't have a choice of what aircraft to use, they had the 767's with Loftlieder Charter division already. They took those off the holiday charters that they usually ran, and painted them up in Icelandair colors and sent them to SFO.
Keep in mind the employees of FI were given the choice by Icelandair to choose which city they wanted FI to serve vs LAX.
The SFO flights started out with decent loads, for a new destination, but that did not increase to profitable levels ever. That was why it just ran one season, by a year later FI was already planning it's withdrawl. Also because SFO was not daily, if you missed your connection in KEF coming home, you could be stuck in Iceland a day or two. FI's intro into SFO was pretty major, I had the good fortune to be working for a small, but reputable small travel agency in SFO at the time FI came to town. Our company got involved with launch parties in the Castro, with ticket and holiday giveaways, and of course the bulk contract came with it, that's how we became involved selling Icelandair to and from San Francisco. The above perspectives were delivered first hand from the regional Icelandair rep we had for our area. I still have thir promo poster with a cable car flying, with cartoonish wings and tail in FI colors, who knows, may sell it one day on Ebay.



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User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 880 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

Quoting dia77 (Thread starter):

My dad has sources inside FI, and he has told me the bookings have been far beyond hopes. 90-95% loads with fine yield the first 3 months. It's looking great alongside SEA

Rgds, Sveinn



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User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 880 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 2):
LAX and SFO are far larger markets, why not there, why Denver?

Not viable on the 757, and already well served as outlined above.

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 4):
Although I suppose you could ask why would someone go on vacation to a similar location.

Icelandic nature, man. One of the most beautiful in the world. Also, connections play a big part.

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 8):
I am assuming that the pilots for FI have never flown into Denver before. In a case like this, do the pilots take some sort of practice run into DEN to get familiar with the airport before they commence operations?

When FI did charters into SXM and INN, they needed special training. But for DEN, no. Nothing too difficult about it.

Quoting Fi642 (Reply 9):

It won't last. Someone's idea of fun. Mark my word.

FI has speculated this the last 3-5 years, and the service is starting great. My dad was FI's COO, so I know what I'm talking about. SFO was a totally different animal, but this one has a shot. SEA has been great, and DEN is starting similarly.

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 12):
Does this flight have to take a hit on pax and payload due to the altitude in Denver. Especially in Summer when it is a hot and high airport.

Not sure, but I don't think so.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 15):
I remember the blood letting of the FI SFO-KEF route on their Loftleider 767. FI did try and market it, it just never worked well. IIRC the employees of FI voted to launch SFO over LAX. I do think LAX would have done better for FI, at least IMHO.

Maybe, but it had never suceeded either. KEF - California on 767s in 2006 was the wrong route on the wrong aircraft at the wrong time. The route was designed as a 787 route, but when FI saw how bad it worked, they stopped it. Later, as many of you know, FI cancelled their Dreamliner intensions and transformed to DY.

Rgds, Sveinn Th.



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User currently offlineBeechToBus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

Just slightly off the DEN loads topic but I saw a FI 757 on the Denver's concourse A east auxiliary pad late last night (tues May 15). Anyone know if this was in DEN overnight for a tech or some kind of issue or does the plane usually stay the night there?

User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 140 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

It has been mentioned a couple times now, but FI does not have a codeshare in place in DEN. F9 does have an interline agreement, but that simply means a passenger can check bags between both carriers or both segments can be booked in one reservation. It needs to be a codeshare, but it's not. FI needs to codeshare with both F9 and Great Lakes in DEN.

I also think the bookings appear to be strong. I tried booking a FI flight from DEN a few months from now and some of the dates on their web site show sold out.


User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Quoting BeechToBus (Reply 23):
Just slightly off the DEN loads topic but I saw a FI 757 on the Denver's concourse A east auxiliary pad late last night (tues May 15). Anyone know if this was in DEN overnight for a tech or some kind of issue or does the plane usually stay the night there?

The plane always stays overnight in Denver, for about 22 hours. I don't know if it does maintenance. However in Seattle the plane also stays for 22 hours on the ground and some maintenance is performed.

The reason they do this is because otherwise they could not fit the flight into the 24 hour cycle where you can connect to Europe flights. Having a relatively cheap 757 with no financing debt means that they can afford to leave them sitting around. WIth the 24 hour cycle an aircraft can do two 6 hour North America flights and two 3 hour Europe flights in a 24 hour time span which means a usage of about 18 hours per day.



[Edited 2012-05-16 18:49:22]

User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 27
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

I'm seeing a lot of people mentioning Icelandair as a great way to fly between SEA/DEN out to Europe, with a conveniently placed connection in KEF.

I fly to Europe fairly often, and my curiosity for Iceland and the carrier always sparks me to check prices on FI before I explore other options. Without fail, prices have always been absolutely outrageous. I've checked during various seasons, played with dates in every way possible. Can't seem to get a competitively priced flight out of FI. What's the secret here? Do their 757s fill up fast making remaining seats generally steeper in price?

I've checked flying out of JFK and BOS as well, same story there.

Aeroflot777

[Edited 2012-05-16 19:07:29]

User currently offlineBeechToBus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 25):

Thanks for the reply. It was nice to see a ron that wasn't the usual f9/ua/wn suspects but was hoping they didn't have a maintenance cancellation already. Good to hear its a scheduled ron.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 2600 times:

How will they replace their 757s, going smaller or larger? They must be an airline that got dependent on a model that has no real close replacement.

The A310 with modern engines would be a good 757 replacement imo, perfect fit for the GenX2b?


User currently offlineCross757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Does anyone have pictures from the launch of the new Icelandair flights from Denver?

Thanks!


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting Cross757 (Reply 29):

You can find more than 100 pictures from the launch on their facebook page.


User currently offlineCross757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 30):
You can find more than 100 pictures from the launch on their facebook page.

Thanks!


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