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Air Transat Fleet Renewal Anytime Soon?  
User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12364 times:

Air Transat has been using A-310s and A330s for a while now. I'm sure they have very good maintenance department and all, but still these aircraft do show their age whether they like it or not. isn't it time to replace them with smtg decent. Are they planning on doing that?

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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 748 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12307 times:
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It seems that Air Transat is very content with the A310 but it is '80s begin '90 technology and - thus - nearly 25 years old.
Remember that this is as old as the 747s at DL, KL, BA, KL, UA etc.

I bet in the end they will be A350 or 787 customers!   


User currently offlinenorthstardc4m From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3012 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12257 times:
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Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 1):
I bet in the end they will be A350 or 787 customers!   

Yea when someone else starts retiring them... TS loves hand-me-downs. Except for 2 A330-200s everything they have ever operated was used (L1011s, 727s, 757s, A310s, A330s...) or short term leased (734s, A320s).

For now they are renewing to an all A330 fleet, disposing of the A310s.
If they will adopt a second type in future for the "lighter" ops or continue farming those out to other operators is the question.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12214 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 1):

It seems that Air Transat is very content with the A310 but it is '80s begin '90 technology and - thus - nearly 25 years old.
Remember that this is as old as the 747s at DL, KL, BA, KL, UA etc.

I bet in the end they will be A350 or 787 customers!


One difference is that they lease or buy older aircraft and thus tend to have older aircraft in their fleet, they will not probably order any new aircraft but buy used or lease any new aircraft they require.



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3011 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12180 times:
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Don't count on it anytime soon! It was only 8 years ago that they retired their last L-1011s.

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 2):
If they will adopt a second type in future for the "lighter" ops or continue farming those out to other operators is the question.

If they decide to get their own narrowbodies, CanJet may be in trouble; although there's also Hola Sun.



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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1630 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12131 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 4):
If they decide to get their own narrowbodies, CanJet may be in trouble

EEKS! As long as that doesn't become a Canada 3000 scenario all over again...



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User currently offlinenorthstardc4m From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3012 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11791 times:
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Maybe Transat will buy out C6 if IMG ever decides to sell it... but more likely I think a few A310s will linger on longer than planned or C6 and Sunwing will be big winners when TS downsizes winter flying.


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User currently offlinerobsaw From Canada, joined Dec 2008, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11601 times:

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 5):
Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 4):
If they decide to get their own narrowbodies, CanJet may be in trouble

EEKS! As long as that doesn't become a Canada 3000 scenario all over again...

Well Canjet won't be a repeat of C3000 because Canjet went from scheduled carrier to all charter (C3000 went the other way) and only have 5 737's currently, mostly charter for Transat.

You do realize than Canjet actually merged with C3000 just as C3000 was going bust but was then re-incorporated as a separate entity again?


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11268 times:

TS had the big unveiling of their new cabin today, so that more or less confirms they want to hang onto those 330s for as long as they fly since they sunk so much money into the refreshed interior.

You can see some pictures from the unveiling ceremony here.

Quoting robsaw (Reply 7):
only have 5 737's currently, mostly charter for Transat

   I was talking to one of CanJet's group sales reps about chartering a flight next year and he said they were almost completely booked up with Air Transat charters. It seems most of their revenue is coming from TS.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11205 times:

Quoting kevin (Thread starter):
Air Transat has been using A-310s

Apart from TS, S4, and White still flying A310 PAX aircraft, who else still is?

FX flies them with boxes, but is that it? I feel like I'm missing someone...



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User currently offlineBureaucromancer From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11074 times:

The other thing to keep in mind about the A310s is that at some point DND might just decide they want them for additional MRTTs if the PM keeps up his demand for a dedicated VIP aircraft. I could pretty easily imagine a very good price being offered for much of the fleet...

User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2318 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10976 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 9):
I'm missing someone...

Biman..

Judging by your username, I am sure you know Portugal has been an A310 "heaven" for quite some time now.. I remember about a decade ago quite a few Portuguese carriers were still using the L-1011 too.

Wonder if Air Transat would be interested in the A345's sitting in TLS?



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User currently offlineboeingorbust From Canada, joined Oct 2011, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10527 times:

Who does Transat pay to charter these days? WS is done with that and has been for a while... Sunwing?

User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10474 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 9):
Apart from TS, S4, and White still flying A310 PAX aircraft, who else still is?

Does PIA still fly them?


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10451 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 9):
Apart from TS, S4, and White still flying A310 PAX aircraft, who else still is?

FX flies them with boxes, but is that it? I feel like I'm missing someone...

Biman, PIA, Mahan Air and Iran Air come up in my mind.

I do hope Air Transat keep their A310's for a while, I just like the looks of those planes and we see them at Schiphol now and then. Short and stubby, just nice!

Cheers!   



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User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10283 times:

Hi

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 14):
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 14):
Apart from TS, S4, and White still flying A310 PAX aircraft, who else still is?

FX flies them with boxes, but is that it? I feel like I'm missing someone...

Another two come to mind! Tarom, Sata.

Hope this helps

Dublinspotter



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User currently offlineChinook747 From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10133 times:

Quoting boeingorbust (Reply 12):
Who does Transat pay to charter these days? WS is done with that and has been for a while... Sunwing?

TS uses Canjet to charter some of their routes..

WS still works with tour operators...their biggest customer being Sunquest/Thomas Cook, although WS does not specifically charter an entire flight out Sunquest/Thomas Cook holds block space for their customers on Sun/Leisure destinations.


User currently offlinesanjet From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7549 times:

http://www.travelhotnews.com/reportages.php?sequence_no=38087

Quote:
Currently, the fleet is made up of 23 aircraft; 11 Airbus A310s and 12 Airbus A330s. We are going to gradually replace the Airbus 310s with A330s and Boeing 787s.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3513 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 9):

According to airfleets:

-S7 Airlines
-Air India
-Royal Jordanian
-Turkish
-Uzbekistan
-MIAT Mongolia



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting boeingorbust (Reply 12):
Who does Transat pay to charter these days? WS is done with that and has been for a while... Sunwing?

CanJet is under contract with them for a couple more years I believe. We'll have to see where this one goes because C4 has been doing their fair share of layoffs out of their former home base (YHZ) lately. It's been pretty much exclusively FAs that have been let go, but dumping any employees is almost never a good sign.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 11):
Wonder if Air Transat would be interested in the A345's sitting in TLS?

Don't tease me with such a thought! I would love to see Air Transat colours on a 4-engine aircraft. But as I mentioned earlier, they've just sunk some heavy capital into a cabin refreshment, so I don't think they have a whole lot of cash kicking around to pick up any new types, especially one with greater capacity than what they currently operate.

Quoting sanjet (Reply 17):

Quote:
Currently, the fleet is made up of 23 aircraft; 11 Airbus A310s and 12 Airbus A330s. We are going to gradually replace the Airbus 310s with A330s and Boeing 787s.

I don't know what Graham is going on about. TS doesn't even have a LOI for any 787s yet. These promises are way too premature in my opinion. Let alone the fact that he all of a sudden wants to introduce brand-new B aircraft into an all-A fleet? This one doesn't pass the smell test for me...



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6379 times:

All I wish is that they make it so that a regular sized human being will fit into any new aircraft they fly.


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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

My guess would be A330s and maybe leased A321Neos if they need something smaller.....


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User currently offlinesanjet From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 20):

I traveled on on transat this year and they have made big improvements in regards to passengers comfort. Seems similar to any other schedule airline config in economy.



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6165 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 19):
I don't know what Graham is going on about. TS doesn't even have a LOI for any 787s yet. These promises are way too premature in my opinion. Let alone the fact that he all of a sudden wants to introduce brand-new B aircraft into an all-A fleet? This one doesn't pass the smell test for me...

Agree right now. However, the 788 would be the best new aircraft to replace the A310. They would have to think about that now to get them in a time frame they will need them, unless they get them from a lessor - for which I would imagine there would be a pretty lengthy line up.

Sadly, I think they are going to become all A330 and continue to farm out the smaller flights.

Well, I say sadly as a spotter, but as a pax those 310's are horrific. The 330 doesnt seem so bad somehow.



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3011 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6154 times:
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Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 23):
Well, I say sadly as a spotter, but as a pax those 310's are horrific. The 330 doesnt seem so bad somehow.

  

As much as I loved the novelty of flying on one, the seats were pure torture even for a 3-hour flight. That and the store-brand frozen dinners they serve as meals.

Great crew though!



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25 WestJet747 : Agreed. You raise a good point. ILFC has 33 of the -8 on order right now, very few of which are spoken for this early (my assumption). TS is no stran
26 brilondon : I had the misfortune of having to go to London on short notice and travelled through YYZ because the fare was about $600 less expensive...you get wha
27 q120 : Really? The last time I flew with Air Transat was in 2005, from what I recall everything was in good shape and the seats were comftrable for the dura
28 Post contains links queb : Here's the new cabin (pics) http://www.transat.com/en/new-cabin/index.aspx
29 juantrippe82 : The'll probably just get more second hand aircraft, probably another A330.
30 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Not an airline, but the Royal Canadian Air Force has 5 A310-300s. View Large View MediumPhoto © Akira Uekawa
31 Post contains images YVRLTN : It wasnt the quality of the cabin, it was the width of the seats - one extra seat abreast squeezed in I believe as it was 3-3-3. That is tight! One s
32 Viscount724 : 3-3-3 on an Airbus widebody is very tight, even worse than 3-4-3 on the 777. I can't think of any Airbus operators other than charter/leisure carrier
33 HOONS90 : Mexicana used to, before they went under. Interestingly enough, two of them are actually with TS now with the same seats and Panasonic AVOD.
34 Viscount724 : Yes I recall that. I think they were intended for the UK charter/leisure carrier XL Airways which went bankrupt before the aircraft were delivered an
35 AirNovaBAe146 : Doubt it. It was an extremely political decision the Mulroney government made when they got DND to buy the A310s. Canadian was reeling from the Warda
36 Bureaucromancer : Yeah, but on the other hand more A310s will look a lot better than replacing the fleet if we find we need another tanker or three, the PM gets his tr
37 Wingtips56 : I once flew the late LAB/Lloyd Aereo Boliviano on an A310 in scheduled service that was configured as 9-abreast (3-3-3), and it was indeed very tight.
38 pnwtraveler : They were replacing very long in the tooth 707's that were maintenance nightmares. The A310's were a good price and have been in heavy use for troop
39 Bureaucromancer : For the record I was less referring the modifications already made to one of the aircraft for the PM (which from my understanding don't really have mu
40 mpsrent : Just finshed two Air Transat A330 flights from YYZ to MAN return. I've travelled the route many times with both Air Transat on 310's and 330's and the
41 LostSound : AFAIK, in 2007 Air Transat announced they were looking at the 787 and A350 XWB to replace their current fleet. The article (I don't have a link, but I
42 CPDC10-30 : Perhaps that's a slight exaggeration? I've flown TS many times across the pond and although the seats are narrow, they are certainly bearable. The se
43 Post contains images airportugal310 : Thanks Viscount! Thats an absolutely fantastic looking airplane....wow
44 yyz717 : Given TS's low yield market, they should stick to used aircraft. Obvious choices include more used 332/333 aircraft, maybe used 763/772 if they want i
45 Bureaucromancer : My understanding (and this could have changed again, I haven't heard anything since it was last in the news) is that the plan stands, but won't happe
46 Post contains links saloman : http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11...cc-150-harper-plane_n_1100162.html According to this article the plane will be repainted in August 2013, and wi
47 Bureaucromancer : My biggest discomfort with the size of the fleet is ultimately the tanker role actually. Four aircraft is alright as long as there isn't much need for
48 brilondon : I don't know what ULH routes TS would even have for the 345 to fly on.
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