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Air Austral 777-200LR At Kpae  
User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 582 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

Hi all,

This plane has been sitting out at KPAE for over a month. Does anyone know when it's going to be delivered or why it's been sitting there for so long?

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[Edited 2012-05-15 16:17:22]

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

I've been wondering that, myself; looking at the 777 Production List, it's the only acft (apart from the very new ones) awaiting delivery.

I know Air Austral made a decision to reduce its route network. Perhaps this played a part; of course, another reason might be that the airline simply could not/cannot get sufficient financing for the aircraft .


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5179 times:
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Could be lack of pilots, as well. In the past, EK planes sat on the line for some time before they could assemble a crew to fly them out.

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

A Google search brought up a news story in French datelined today May 15.

In summary, Google translate says that the story says that Air Austral are in financial dire straits which delayed the closure of obtaining the 73% of the financing required to be able to take delivery. But now a solution has been found (with the help of AF/KL group??) to allow them to be able to take delivery of the new 77L.

Don't know how reliable the source is. Just do a search for Air Austral Boeing. Perhaps native Francophones can tell us if my paraphrasing of the Google translation is accurate.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

UU is terminating its Sydney and Noumea services. If they are going to take delivery of the new B77L, then I would presume that the 2 B772ERs that are currently in the fleet are going to be disposed of. The airline is also operating 3 B77Ws and one more B77L.

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4043 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 4):
If they are going to take delivery of the new B77L, then I would presume that the 2 B772ERs that are currently in the fleet are going to be disposed of.

That is correct, the 77L is replacing the 772ER's, they were to have already terminated their services to SYD but they're still operating as of this week.



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User currently offlineicna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 3):
Just do a search for Air Austral Boeing. Perhaps native Francophones can tell us if my paraphrasing of the Google translation is accurate.

Voilà! If this is the article you mention, in Les Echos from this morning http://www.lesechos.fr/economie-poli...nds-aeroports-regionaux-324473.php

Basically, on top of the SYD and NOU routes, all routes to French provincial airports will be terminated: NTE, BOD, TLS, LYS and MRS. Also BKK will be downgraded from B772 to B738 (fuel stop in MAA).

The only increase will be CDG, from 7x weekly to 12x weekly.

All that implies that the B77L, sitting at PAE isn't needed anymore and they are trying to sell it. No precision on the two B77E, whether they'll keep them or not. But with only one wide-body destination I'm not sure how they can keep 6 777's of 3 different types...
Finally, the article also implies that UU is trying to work out a solution with Airbus to defer deliveries of the two high-density A380s but they'd very much like to see their €30mil deposit back...


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

For just 12 weekly CDG rountrips, even 3 B77Ws will be too much. Those B77Ws should be easier to offload than the B77Es and B77Ls.

User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

I'm still even surprised they are keeping BKK alive. This route is a non-sense, as were SYD/NOU.

User currently offlinethe777man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Too bad for Air Austral.

Will they still keep Mayotte - Paris ?

I think at least one of the 777-200/ER is going to OrenAir. Also two of the 77Ws are leased from ILFC so perhaps UU can give them back.

The777Man



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User currently offlineicna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

So what would they need? Faor those 12 weekly flights, I'd say 2 B77L sound about right;

Quoting the777man (Reply 9):
Will they still keep Mayotte - Paris ?

Apparently they are all routed via RUN (daily B738 + 3xw B777). I think Corsair flies triangle Paris-Mayotte-Réunion-Paris.

They state on their site that they're keeping 4 B777, 2 B737 and 3 ATR72. No indication on which 777 they want to offload. I guess they'll end up keeping 2 B77E and 2 B77W, however it sounds a lot to me, unless they plan on operating many charters. Or, unless they're operated à la TN like a pride tool to bring tourists in, whatever the cost.

I hope UU stays alive and ends up operating those A380. Now that's a good experiment there (good it will be as long as I won't find myself in one of those  


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9823 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
Those B77Ws should be easier to offload than the B77Es and B77Ls.

Aren't there any Middle Eastern airlines who are dying to take this 777-200LR as well? EK or QR???

A388


User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

This aircraft was on display today at the Paine Field Aviation Day. Like F-OLRA, it looks great. It also has a name now: "Caribou." The crowds prevented any really good a.net pictures.

User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting cargolex (Reply 12):
Like F-OLRA, it looks great. It also has a name now: "Caribou."

Looking great even sans paint.....

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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
Aren't there any Middle Eastern airlines who are dying to take this 777-200LR as well? EK or QR???

Nope. Both are taking 77W as fast as they can get them, and EK has determined that it makes more economic sense to fly restricted 77Ws than full 77Ls on routes like DXB-SFO and DXB-LAX.


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