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Qantas Low Cost To Launch 2002 / 2003  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Low cost Qantasairline to fly in '02/03

SYDNEY, Aug 16 (Reuters) - Qantas Airways Ltd, Australia's biggest airline, said on Thursday it hopes to have its low cost international airline off the ground just after the start of the 2002/03 financial year.

Keeping tight-lipped on the name, livery and new chief executive of the 100 percent owned subsidiary, Qantas said the low cost proposal would likely be formally submitted to its board in October.

"It will not be a no-frills airline, it will be a quality airline, but it will be done in a different way with different seating," Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon told Reuters in an interview.

"We still believe it will be attractive to business people, but principally going to markets where they're inbound and a lot of them are leisure markets," he said.

The new airline would fly primarily to Asian destinations which Qantas previously served but was unable to make adequate profits from, said Dixon, mentioning the Japanese city of Sapporo and South Korean capital Seoul as possible destinations.

Dixon said the "greenfields" plan would provide a new avenue for organic growth for Qantas, which is still fighting Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news)' proposal to take a stake in Air New Zealand

Qantas refused to detail the fleet requirements or the costs involved in the start-up, which was originally slated for launch on July 1, 2002, but is now more likely to take-off a month or two later.

Shares in Qantas, which is 25 percent owned by British Airways plc , were down 20 cents at $3.04 late-afternoon, after earlier hitting a A$2.99 14-week low after disappointing investors with a 20 percent drop in full year profit to A$415.4 million.



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User currently offlineBruneiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Thanx for that info

~J~


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

No problem!


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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Thanx for the info.....But where will it be based? And will Adelaide or Perth, Melbourne and Brisbane get service, or will it be just a SYD airline.



User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Qantas confirmed today it was pushing ahead with plans to start a budget international airline, flying to seven regional ports by July next year.

Qantas chief executive Mr Geoff Dixon said the low cost carrier would have economy and business class seating only but would be linked to the airline's existing frequent flyer loyalty program.

The announcement came as the airline posted its lowest profit since its share market listing began. Its full year net profit was $415 million, almost 20 per cent less than last year.

Mr Dixon did not give details of how the low cost airline would operate, but it is likely costs will be kept down by using a heavily non-unionised workforce, some contract labour, basing flight stewards offshore and multi-skilling of employees.

The new airline would fly on routes including China, Canada, Korea, Malaysia, Greece, Tahiti and parts of Japan.

Qantas has pulled out of some of these routes in the past two years citing cost pressures.

The new airline will have a different name and a distinct livery which have yet to be announced, and will not duplicate routes served by Qantas' premium service.

Mr Dixon did not reveal how the startup airline would be funded but market analysts have indicated it would commence operations with an injection of $400 million. Some of the funds would come from Qantas and the rest from the market.



User currently offlineBruneiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

"It will not be a no-frills airline"

"flying to seven regional ports by July next year"

"carrier would have economy and business class seating "

"The new airline will have a different name and a distinct livery which have yet to be announced, and will not duplicate routes served by Qantas' premium service."

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Just a few interesting quotes. July next year - QF will have at least on A330 by then won't it, is QF getting anymore 767s from BA ? Sounds like we are going to see QFs 762s soldier on (under new name).

The business class part is a bit weird though, QFs 767s only have J and Y class at the moment, Maybe QF wants a F class on their new planes.

I think that we will just see 767s painted in a new c/s flying different routes with a revamped interior, keeping the same pitch and maybe reducing the picth in business, they dont have dreamtime seats in J on the 762s do they ? QFs Y class is due for an update with more legroom - they cant goon for much longer with 31" for much longer. the QFlite would probably keep 31" in Y.

Well all this is what i think could happen
Sorry if all you see is drivel


DEAL WITH IT


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Just seen an interview with Dixon on CNBC, and he
said their tossing around 4 or 5 scenarios regarding
aircraft type and wether they will be new or leased
in. Interviewer seemed to know of a recruiting drive
going on in Thailand for cabin crew, Dixon said people
employed from other countries would be paid that
countries award wage. No mention was made about
flight-deck crew.

Wirraway


User currently offlineBruneiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Thats interesting, new aircraft? Maybe the rumours about the 764s are true (wishful thinking).

So we will have a thai and australian crew (they will have to have some aussies ((they had better Smile)) i hope the flight deck crew remain australian), Look out SIA, Thai, MAS here comes AUSTRALIAN AIRLINES  Smile hopefully the F/As from thailand will teach our crews a thing or two about service not that aussie crews are bad, it is just that QFs service repuation has taken a good beatin.

Does anyone have any idea where this airline is to be based, I have heard that it will be overseas BKK comes to mind for some reason. was this just someone dribbling or is it a possibility?


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

No offence but Singapore Airlines is known for it's quality, not for a seat and if you're lucky a little meal.

But we'll see.

I doubt it'll be flying SYD - BKK/SIN - LHR will it?



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User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

Well Singapore_Air the article did say the new routes would not clash with Qantas' exisiting routes so obviously no

User currently offlineThadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Bruneiair - did I hear you say my favourite words? "Australian Airlines"?

Perpahes we could also have a blue kangaroo on the tail, and one of the bets paint scehems I have ever seen, white, blue, green and gold!

(Dave thinks that QF should have kept the Qantas name but the Australian Airlines scheme after the "merger").

Dave


User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Since they said there will be Business Class, what's the difference between Qantas and the low-cost set-up? If they are going to utilize the B767 for the new set-up airline, the B767 doesn't have First Class as well! What I really want to know if the service would be the same as Qantas, as well as the interior (i.e. seats and stuff). When Dixon mentioned different seating means less seat pitch and narrower seats for everyone? Looks like they are targeting tourists more than Business people!

Regards.


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1411 times:


Mr Dixon said the low-cost airline would fly two classes in Boeing 767 jets to seven Asian centres.

Destinations being considered included Kuala Lumpur, Fukuoka, Vietnam, Seoul, and Shanghai.

"This will be an airline that will have two classes, albeit a smaller business class," Mr Dixon said. "It will have different seating, slimline-type seating which is available around the world now."

The aircraft would be equipped with smaller galleys to allow more seats on board and reduce catering-related labour and handling costs and would

be staffed predominantly by Australians.

Mr Dixon said the new operation would be linked to the Qantas frequent-flyer program but would operate under another name, which would be "very Australian".

Industry sources said Queensland would have a strong chance of attracting Qantas because the company had already announced plans for a maintenance base in Brisbane for its Boeing 767 fleet.

Successive state governments have pressed hard in recent years to make Brisbane the aviation capital of Australia.

International aviation giant Boeing bases its regional operations in Brisbane and the Beattie Government scored a coup in 1999 by using investment incentives to entice Virgin Airlines to establish its Australian operation -- Virgin Blue -- in Brisbane.




User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Hello,

How about B767-238's with 24 Business at 40" pitch at 2-2-2? and 186Y at 31" pitch? Does that sound reasonable?

Or B767-300ER's with 28J at 40" pitch (2-2-2) and 224Y at 31"?

How are those possibilities?

My bet would be that the business class seats would be something like a take-off of AA's domestic first class seats, with no legrests, or if they do, are perfunctory. They would have ptv's but choice would be limited and food not much better than economy. Business will be economy with a better seat IMHO.

Regards,

The Coachman



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User currently offlineBruneiAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

IMPULSE chief Gerry McGowan has been tipped to run a new international discount airline announced yesterday by Qantas. Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the airline would fly to seven Asian cities from July, using a `very Australian' name. It was likely to buy Boeing 767-300 aircraft, w
Newcastle Herald 17 Aug 2001 Cost - 1.00 token
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anyone with access to these articles please Post

http://archives.f2.com.au/rlprod/members_rlsearcher?ac=viewDocument&docID=news010818_0528_3288&docType=N&rs=1&sy=nstore&kw=QANtas&pb=all_arc&dt=selectRange&dr=3months&so=relevance&la=search&ss=f2&sf=all&rc=10&rm=200&clsPage=1


User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Singapore_air
wow... you really are interested  Big thumbs up

I hope they name it Australian Airlines or something similar and I hope that it is green and gold!
I heard they were looking for a base in Queensland due to its relative closeness.
The Courier Mail reported a few days ago that they were tossing over Brisbane and Cairns for Queensland.

I hope they choose Brisbane  Smile

Regards
QantasAirways



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineBruneiAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

From the Australian

Bidding on for no-frills Qantas HQ

17aug01

QUEENSLAND has entered an interstate bidding war to snare the Australian headquarters of a new, no-frills international airline being planned by Qantas.

Qantas confirmed last night it was already negotiating with Premier Peter Beattie and other state governments about where to locate the new company, which will fly to near-Asian cities at budget prices.
Mr Beattie is understood to be promoting Cairns and is preparing a range of incentives like tax breaks to attract Qantas, which expects to win board approval for the new airline in October and begin operating next year.

"We'd love to see it located in Cairns and it is a matter for discussion and negotiation," Mr Beattie said.

News of the Qantas plan came yesterday as Mr Beattie visited Melbourne to launch a $2 million television and newspaper advertising campaign to attract business immigrants to Queensland and visitors to the Goodwill Games later this month.

It also came as Qantas announced a $415.4 million after-tax profit for 2000-01 -- down $101.9 million, or 19.7 per cent on the previous year.

Qantas chief Geoff Dixon said he had spoken to Mr Beattie and representatives of other states about possible incentives.

"We'll pick the one that at the end of the day suits the network best," Mr Dixon said. "We really haven't decided."

Mr Dixon said the low-cost airline would fly two classes in Boeing 767 jets to seven Asian centres.

Destinations being considered included Kuala Lumpur, Fukuoka, Vietnam, Seoul, and Shanghai.

"This will be an airline that will have two classes, albeit a smaller business class," Mr Dixon said. "It will have different seating, slimline-type seating which is available around the world now."

The aircraft would be equipped with smaller galleys to allow more seats on board and reduce catering-related labour and handling costs and would

be staffed predominantly by Australians.

Mr Dixon said the new operation would be linked to the Qantas frequent-flyer program but would operate under another name, which would be "very Australian".

Industry sources said Queensland would have a strong chance of attracting Qantas because the company had already announced plans for a maintenance base in Brisbane for its Boeing 767 fleet.

Successive state governments have pressed hard in recent years to make Brisbane the aviation capital of Australia.

International aviation giant Boeing bases its regional operations in Brisbane and the Beattie Government scored a coup in 1999 by using investment incentives to entice Virgin Airlines to establish its Australian operation -- Virgin Blue -- in Brisbane
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