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User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 487 times:

Not only will Philippine Airlines be re-entering the Melbourne market, but Air Canada will also be launching Toronto-Honolulu-Melbourne services three times a week. They will be the only airline to provide a non-stop flight from Hawaii to the Victorian capital. Also at the same time, Air Canda will upgrade the daily 767s to Sydney with the A340. Cool or what!!
I thought with all the job losses at Air Canada and QF pulling out of Canada, that AC would do the same. Seems like this route does do well. Has anyone ever flown AC to Australia and what are the loads like?

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User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 346 times:

From what I have seen in Sydney the loads for AC have been decent, probably around 75 %, however they are putting a lot of extra seats on the route to both SYD and MEL and no doubt this will put pressure on the yields. Remembering that this is basically a leisure market, it is going to only add to the low yield seats. Further pressure will come if QF launches their low cost carrier as HNL/YVR will be one of the routes no doubt.
Mind you I am not complaining it will be good to see the 340's down here, though I must admit I thought we would see 330's first, and it is about time someone did MEL/HNL direct.
RL


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 328 times:

Thats great news...thanx for the info Gardermoen. It will be great to see Phillipines return and Air Canada finally come to Melbourne ( Australian Aviation magazine predicted this would happen ).

If many more carriers come, Im sure that the International terminal will need to be expaned quicker than originally predicted. Qatar Airlines is also consideing services to SYD/MEL and so are Egypt Air as an add on to their SYD service. Hopefully more airlines come here.



User currently offlineDasa From East Timor, joined Aug 2001, 760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 315 times:

melbourne rules

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 315 times:

dasa, i couldnt have put it better myself.....great call

User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 313 times:

Guys don't hold your breath about Egypt Air they've been saying they will go to Melbourne for a couple of years now and well.....
Anyway lets hope we (as in SYD and MEL) get more services and airlines such as UL and AR get their act together and get back here, oh and Lufthansa as well, lets face it if QF can run daily 747's into Frankfurt there must be a fair bit of demand.
RL


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 306 times:

Well LH wont be coming soon if you read any of their statements, as both Thai and Singapore seem to have most of the say in this region. The LH star alliance strategy though is quite clouded, and you never know what it will do soon.

As for Eygpt Air, it is very true about their inability to actually start services to MEL. The latest news I heard a while ago, about a month a go was they were planning to start in March '02, but who knows.

Im wondering if any Korean or Japan services will come to MEL, im sure there is a market their, if it is tested. I know Qantas tried, but its wasnt a long enough trial, and hopefully another carrier can test it out. just my opinion.


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 285 times:

Don't think there's any chance- at all- of EgyptAir MEL services. The problem is with the bilateral air agreement between Australia and Egypt. In reality, the only reason MEL would be started would be to get more SYD access- an expensive operation (the agreement states if Egyptair wants to increase their SYD flights from 2 per week, then another Australian destination must be served. Emirates has a similar condition which is why their SYD flights only operate 4 times weekly).

As for Air Canada- this should be interesting, especially with Canada 3000 and no-frills Qantas competing . CO tried MEL-HNL and it didn't work, although a 767-300 is better suited than a kero-guzzling DC-10.

On a personal note, I flew AC SYD-HNL a few months ago... never again: lousy food, inappropriate in-flight videos, indifferent crew. A freshly painted maple-leaf didn't hide the dated (and in need of basic maintenance)CP interior either.


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 276 times:

Can anybody tell if me if United still serve Melbourne direct from L.A. I heard this route had been suspended?.
Ive also heard that emirates are going to increase thier Sydney flights to daily with an extra 3 flights a week From Dubai operating via Perth which will be non-stop from Dubai. Apparently this is the deal reached with the Aussie government. Thankx for any infor guys.


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 277 times:

I heard about the probability of Perth flights, and the desire to upgrade SYD to daily. However nonstop to PER continuing on to SYD is something I haven't heard, though it sounds quite reasonable to me. I wonder if EK would be allowed rights to fly Pax from SYD to PER - I believe the aussie govt. has relaxed restrictions on this. It may lead to some cheap SYD-PER tickets.

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 269 times:

The reason why QF pulled-out Canada is due to lack of aircraft. I heard one of QF's personnel in YVR saying that their load-factor for YVR-HNL-SYD is pretty good.

User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 251 times:

The loads on AC's current SYD-YVR route are quite good - but that of course doesn't mean anything for the yields which is the ultimate litmus test for any route! I think their strategy of upgrading to a A340 is a ripper - will be by far the best Biz class on offer (space wise) on the Oz/West Coast Nth America routing. They have timed the YYZ-HNL-MEL flight to link to/from the SYD-HNL-YVR route so easy connections are made to/from each routing in the HNL sterile area. As MEL has recently been designated as the new Star hub for Oz/NZ (logical as it's by far the easiest pax friendly airport down here) this may have been one reason for AC's decision to start service to MEL. As always though, it needs the support of the MEL public to make it a stayer. All too often we have seen the MEL customer shun many new route carriers causing them to abandon MEL or that route they tried to start. You won't see LH metal back here for many years - if ever. They have their several daily flights to SIN and BKK and use TG's and SQ's myriad of connections instead. They also have their pucuniary stake in Lauda (?) as well. Just a sad fact that LH and KL to name two, can make far more money on the route under code than under own metal.
Cheers. Al.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 227 times:

When did MEL officially get to become the Star Alliance hub of Australia. Great decision, but i hadnt heard if BNE or MEL got the honours.

What other carriers do you see coming with this decision, and will any oneworld carriers learve as a result?

Thanx


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 214 times:

Emirates SYD-PER flights? Now I've heard everything... utter rubbish. EK has floated the idea of PER flights so many times I've lost count- all talk. Finally, as if the Aussie Govt. would permit cabotage- having said that SAA would still be flying their own aircraft to SYD if this were true.

User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 210 times:

Emirates have been looking at Perth now since 1999 and they claim they lack aircraft, yet they have gone ahead with expansion plans in other areas. Their initial plans was for four weekly Dubai-Kuala Lupur-Perth services, and then the plan was for two via KUL and two via Colombo(and code share with SriLankan to Perth), and now the lastest I heard was Dubai-Perth-Auckland with B777s. Personally, I doubt it they will ever make it across to New Zealand. They were looking at setting up their officesin Perth back in 1999. Does anyone know if these have been established?


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 196 times:

Hey Gardermoen, when do AC & PR commence their new services?????

RE: Miami1 - UA ceased operatin non-stop from LAX to Melbourne at the start of the northern summer, because they nedded the long range/ER B747-400's to operate their new JFK-HKG service. They were to resume their non-stop Lax-Mel service in November, however that appears not to be the case & UA841/842 remains in the schedule operating via Auckland in both directions. Time will tell if this changes, in the meantime QF have the non-stop route all to themselves on Qf100/101.

Cheers - BZF



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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 187 times:

VH-BZF,

PR starts Oct 28 and AC starts Nov 30.

Dale.