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How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1950 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16761 times:

Looking the photographer comments to this photo:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...d=a382d493cd98936dfdb27732b730fd07

and looking the livery and the location, it is clear that this aircraft will carry the Olympic flame from Greece to London, UK.
Now... is this a "symbolic" flight, with the torch off and no flame of any kind, or they conduct a special flight with the cabin empty ( with only a few persons for control and safety ) but with the torch on in some sort of special compartment ??
Sorry if this is a moronic question, but I 'm intrigued, on one hand, I "know" that the flame shouldn't be turned off, and OTOH, I know that a flame inside an aircraft is not precisely a standard practice in the industry...       ...

Can someone clarify??

Thanks in advance !!

Rgds.

G.


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User currently onlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16617 times:

IIRC, they have somesort of special compartment. It's not like this is the first time the olympic flame has flown.

Also, I think there is just a tiny flame, closer to that of a lighter during the flight. I've read an article about it, but that was a long time ago (for Beijing olympics), I'll see if I can find it, but I'm sure there are users here that can tell you precisely how BA will do it.

-CXfirst



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User currently onlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16615 times:

This is from Vancouver Olympics:

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/torch_12_04/t06_20913821.jpg

they even separated the flame into 6 flames, and I'm guessing this is in case something happens to one of them, they still have spares (and quite a few spares). Keeping the flame going seems to be important!

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2196 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16523 times:

And since the TSA won't be involved, it's in no danger of being blown out.


I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16463 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
IIRC, they have somesort of special compartment. It's not like this is the first time the olympic flame has flown.
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
This is from Vancouver Olympics:
Thanks !!! I wasn't too far from reality this time !!!  
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
And since the TSA won't be involved, it's in no danger of being blown out.

LOL !!

G.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16272 times:

BA - ''2012'' aircraft name 'Firefly' and the flame will be brought to the UK by the British delegation on Friday evening and fly into RNAS Culddrose in Cornwall where a welcoming ceremony will be held. On Saturday Morning it will begin it's 8,000 mile criss-crossing journey around the UK in a 70 Day relay ending at the Olympic Park.


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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16119 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Now... is this a "symbolic" flight, with the torch off and no flame of any kind, or they conduct a special flight with the cabin empty ( with only a few persons for control and safety ) but with the torch on in some sort of special compartment ??

I don't think you need to take that level of precaution; as long as the flame is protected from being blown out and from lighting the surroundings on fire, it's not really a big deal. Airliner main cabins don't have smoke detection or fire suppression and the airflow rate is more than high enough to take care of the byproducts and oxygen supply.

Tom.


User currently offlinebooforty From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15986 times:

Interesting photo from the Vancouver Olympics. I did wonder how they would transport the flame

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15710 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 5):
the flame will be brought to the UK by the British delegation on Friday evening and fly into RNAS Culddrose in Cornwall

It will be covered live from Culdroser on the BBC1 TV programme, The One Show. It will be covered betweeen 1900 and 2000 BST.


User currently offlineU2380 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 15461 times:

This is the answer BA gave on their facebook page:

"..The flame is not extinguished during the flight, so we don't have to worry about having a sunny day when it arrives. The flame has been classified as a 'ceremonial flame' by the Civil Aviation Authority, and they have given us permission to transport it whilst still alight. The Torch will be kept in a Davy lamp in a special cradle strapped to a seat. It has got enough smoke-free fuel to keep it going during the flight. Hope this helps!"

That was a response to 'Vernon Lodge School' in the photo's comments section.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb....431612.76903425829&type=3&theater


User currently offlinedc10bhx From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15426 times:

I seem to remember that in 1996 when DL were the official carrier bringing the flame to ATL they had a bracket fixed to one of the bulkheads which allowed the torch to be carried. If memory serves me right the torch is allowed to have a supply of flammable material (be it gas or liquid I do not know) to ensure the flame stays alight.

I have been looking through the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations to see if they had anything listed for this very occassion (without any success although I am sure I saw an entry for it a few years ago).



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User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2087 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15414 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
And since the TSA won't be involved, it's in no danger of being blown out.

Hehe.......although by the time it gets through UK customs and immigration, it may well have blown itself out!


User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15280 times:

The flame can stay alight for upto 30 hrs

User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14988 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 6):
I don't think you need to take that level of precaution; as long as the flame is protected from being blown out and from lighting the surroundings on fire, it's not really a big deal. Airliner main cabins don't have smoke detection or fire suppression and the airflow rate is more than high enough to take care of the byproducts and oxygen supply.

Tom.

Thanks Tom. Your logic is right ( as usual ). But I'm one of those who "hope for the best but make plans for the worst"... so I imagine a scenario with a flame, a flammable gas or liquid feeding it... it only needs a big shake from a clear air turbulence ( assuming they will choose a "good day" for flying ) and you can get into trouble if you are not well prepared, with the container secured and some surveillance from trained people.

One final doubt remains.... is this flight only available for the Olympic delegation or they had some seats available for Joe Public too ?

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlineaviatorcraig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2010, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14730 times:

We used to smoke on airliners, and more often than not they did not catch fire!   

I would guess this flame will be in a much more controlled environment than Joe Public was with his clipper lighter or a book of safety matches



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14433 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 13):
is this flight only available for the Olympic delegation or they had some seats available for Joe Public too ?

Old Uncle Tom Cobly and All are in Greece for the handover ceremony.

UK personnel returning on BA2012 range from Seb Coe, Chairman of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games, through Boris Johnson, Mayor of London and footballer David Beckham to the main British player in Athens, Pricess Anne, the Princess Royal. She will accept the flame as it is handed over from Greece to the UK in the Athens Olympic Stadium.

So the question is will a 319 be big enough to bring the flame, its technical support team and the whole of the British Olympic party back to the UK or will some need to travel by a scheduled flight.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14207 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 15):
So the question is will a 319 be big enough to bring the flame, its technical support team and the whole of the British Olympic party back to the UK or will some need to travel by a scheduled flight.

After reading the names you listed, I think they have their OWN planes if the A319 fills up  

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlineLentini2001 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13073 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 11):
Hehe.......although by the time it gets through UK customs and immigration, it may well have blown itself out!

The next Olympics will have started by then.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26508 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Well the British brought the weather with them today  http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/lond...rom-greece-to-london-live-coverage

Lucky the weather was better during the main events :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/ap_greece_olympics_london_flame_16May12-878x592.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/_60231094_greekturk_140512.jpg

Link to BA special livery arriving into ATH yesterday :

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...d=e8b08f8e9ee94d3be3d8db0ccd5f568d

Hoping to see some photos of the BA 2012 departing ATH .



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

TV news showed the Olympic Flame after its presentation to Princess Anne in a full sized torch being carried to the British Embassy in Athens in a Davey Lamp that looked exactly like those pictured for the Vancouver Winter Games by CXfirst in Reply 2.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7670 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
This is from Vancouver Olympics:
Quoting booforty (Reply 7):
Interesting photo from the Vancouver Olympics. I did wonder how they would transport the flame

The flame for the Vancouver Winter Olympics was carried on a Canadian Air Force A310 from ATH to YYJ (Victoria, B.C.) on October 30, 2010, where it became its long trip (28,000 miles) through all parts of Canada before arriving in YVR for the official opening of the games.



User currently offlinetguman From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 430 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6990 times:

I was at CYYJ the morning it arrived, unfortunately the wind changed for the arrival and i didn't get a great shot, but here is the picture on my flickr account of the airplane landing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbvp...tography/4059564812/in/photostream



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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

I am sure at least one crew member carries a match or a lighter, just in case... (who would know anyways...)

User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 22):
I am sure at least one crew member carries a match or a lighter, just in case... (who would know anyways...)

That reminds me of the time during the 1976 Montreal Olympics when the wind blew out the cauldron. A groundskeeper lit a newspaper on fire and threw it into the cauldron to relight it. The IOC was not impressed.  


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 22):
I am sure at least one crew member carries a match or a lighter, just in case... (who would know anyways...)

I think they address the issue of the flame being extinguished by always having a back-up. For example the phooto in Reply 2 shows four sets of two - ie eight - Davey lamps. So eight flames.

For the Athens 2004 Olympics there was a world wide relay. The flame was carried from country to country in two Air Atlanta Icelandic 744s. I do not think that how many flames each aircraft carried was revealed:


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25 Post contains links bristolflyer : Here's some more info for you: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18006750
26 Post contains links and images OA260 : BBC just reported live from ATH . BA 2012 is soon to depart. David Beckham has been visiting a Greek school in Athens and was given a great reception
27 Gonzalo : Many thanks !!! Very interesting reading, the captain is used to VIP flights, so that helps to keep the nerves down... and a crew of three ( 2 pilots
28 VV701 : Live on TV - BBC1 1900 to 2000 hrs.
29 VV701 : BBC News 24 is currently (1600 hrs Friday 18 May) showing a video of two of the lamps being fitted into their cradle in the front row of seats on The
30 Post contains links raaadek : on flightradar24.com now http://www.flightradar24.com/BAW2012
31 Post contains images speedbird203 : Tracking it now, Tried on flightaware and thought i wouldn't be able to, So thank you for reminding me of flightradar24 Looking forward to watching it
32 Post contains links and images jwhite9185 : Hmm blown out and heading back?!
33 jetblast : Now on the ground at Culdrose. Let's go Team GB!!
34 jwhite9185 : The stickers on the front of the plane are peeling off already...
35 speedbird203 : I thought the exact same thing when they zoomed in. Poor job as money is tight?? lol
36 Post contains images virginblue4 : Noticed that too! Not good
37 Post contains links Sunfly : Here's the BBC plane landing article. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18093410 And the video http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18121941 The paint job doesn't
38 virginblue4 : It's almost back at Heathrow. So the pain will fly in this livery for another 12 months?
39 LHRFlyer : Lots of coverage of this in the UK on BBC1, BBC News Channel and Sky News. Great moment for BA and Britain!
40 threepoint : I count six.
41 virginblue4 : Oops, Post 38 should have said plane not pain, haha
42 Post contains links speedbird9 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGlIgIcAiQg hes a video of the highlights of the event! there were actually only 3 of the flames, taking up seats 1A an
43 gingersnap : 4 flames actually. The Olympic flame plus 3 back ups.
44 speedbird9 : my mistake!
45 Post contains images OldAeroGuy : I thought the plan was to use the flame to start both engines. That way the flame helps power its own way to the UK. Using it to light both engines pr
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