cx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 19215 times:
According to the CX world issue, paragraph of "Flexibility key as capacity adjustments are made" you can see that "It will also deploy more fuel efficient 777-300ERs on longhaul flights to destinations ......... the team wanted to get the 747s off long-haul routes as much as possible .......... “That’s why we’re robbing North America of some 777s and putting them on Europe" They plan to partially cut JFK 845/846, LAX 884/885 and completely 828/825 after September
SW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6072 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19185 times:
Wow. JFK doesn't necessarily surprise me, as it seems like they were adding a new frequency every other day, which is a bit crazy on a 15-16 hour flight! I assume the start of ORD doesn't help JFK either.
However, the cutback for LAX is a bit surprising to me.
ordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 583 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16732 times:
They had been adding so many flights to JFK over the past few years, too bad they are taking away the YYZ one, I poped my international F cherry on that one a year back. Where are these 747s that are leaving europe going then, are they going to add capacity to their asian network with them or send them to the desert.
cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12317 times:
Quoting ordjoe (Reply 12): Where are these 747s that are leaving europe going then, are they going to add capacity to their asian network with them or send them to the desert.
They will mostly if not all end up with the scrapman. Three 744s will be retired this autumn, five next year and depending on the state of the economy, another 3-4 the year after that. In the meantime they will be deployed regionally where the shorthaul flights mean that not as much fuel is burned/wasted.
Last November, I flew YYZ-HKG (F) and then HKG-YVR-JFK (J). Every seat was filled. and I am sure Y was just as full.
Our loads are pretty high everywhere at the moment but ticket prices are not high enough to even cover the fuel costs, especially to Europe on the 744. There has been talk of cutting back YYZ for some time now. JFK does ok but not good enough to cover the loss-making 744 routes to Europe. Fact is, that the 77Ws are needed off those North American flights to put to Europe asap. Once more 77Ws come and the economy picks up a bit, those frequencies will be restored.
cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11476 times:
Quoting as739x (Reply 16): What are the plans for SFO? Being the last N. American destination with 2 daily 744's, will they go to 2 daily 77W or look into adding a 3rd flight say 4 weekly down the road?
Becomes 1x 744 and 1x 77W daily starting July 1st. Not sure when it will become double daily 77Ws though. Priority now is to get the 744s off Europe where the yields are low.
cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11015 times:
Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 18): I wonder if it would have helped if CX had ordered their 77Ws a bit earlier, like EK, AF, JL, NH or BR.
When CX ordered their 77Ws is was a record breaking order for us. CX have always been conservative and the original plan when the 77Ws were ordered was for them to be replacements for the 744s. The last of the 744s should have left this year under the plan of several years ago. The economy however kept doing so well that the 77Ws were used to expand the network instead of replacing the 744s. Now the economy is turning for Cx and the fuel price is sky high so it is time for the 744 to leave but the 77Ws were already used to expand the network a lot so they are struggling in terms of not having enough planes. In hindsight obviously it would have been better to order more 777s but they had no idea the 744s would be staying for so long.
Thats the thing about aviation, it is hard to come up with a long term plan when in the short term things change so much!
cx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10276 times:
SO they are on the dilemma of cutting the 77w or allow the 747 to continue to fly. It seems that the revenue from JFK 845/846 is not enough to cover the loss from any of the European destination. So now from JFK, LAX and YYZ they can free up three more 77W with 28 in total. They will receive another 77W this year and total of 29. JFK use 6, LAX 5, ORD 2, YYZ 2, YVR 2, SFO 2, and the proposed EWR 2, already 21 in total so only 8 left for European route, MXP 2, LHR seems using 3 for 1.5 daily using 77W, so three more left, really shortage of planes. They seem to use A340 to LHR, CDG and AMS, just curious they suddenly have so much A340 or they pull the three A340 from dessert back again??
cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10021 times:
We still have 11 A340s. The ones that were stored were leased and returned to the leasing company a while ago. They are now flying for Sri Lankan and Aerolineas Argentinas.
We do have a few 77Ws that fly around the region every day. The company is rearranging schedules to get these planes off regional flying and send them longhaul which is there they are supposed to be. I am not sure if the A340s will start to do more longhaul once again as they are hardly doing any longhaul flying at the moment.