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Interjet Endorses SSJ100, Order May Raise To 40  
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9680 times:

Interjet´s President, Miguel Alemán Velasco said they are willing to order 20 more planes in addition to the current order of 15+5 planes:


Mexico's Interjet May Buy 20 SSJ-100 Airliners

MOSCOW, May 18 (RIA Novosti)

Mexico's Interjet airline may take up an option to buy 20 Sukhoi Superjet 100 airliners in addition to the 15 planes previously ordered, Astro Noticias news portal reported on Friday quoting Interjet Board Chairman Miguel Alemаn Velasco.

Full article: http://en.ria.ru/business/20120518/173535446.html


In a previous statement about the accident, Interjet reported that the airline is following up the evolution of this unfortunate event and if so to the progress of the corresponding investigation and that Interjet will continue with its business plan.

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User currently offlineBD500 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9365 times:

Thanks for sharing, it is an interesting development. According to another article I read previously, Interjet is scheduled to receive their first A/C before the end of this year and the accident investigation as been estimated to 1 year.
I imagine that the crash was not widely discussed in Mexico news, and in six months from now, nobody will remember that terrible tragedy in Mexico.
However, I'm wondering if it's not a strategy for negotiating a better price in the buying of the 20 additional A/C mentioned.
It seems to me that this type of A/C is a need in Mexico.
If I remember well, Alma the Mexico was to order CRJ900.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

Quoting BD500 (Reply 1):
Thanks for sharing, it is an interesting development. According to another article I read previously, Interjet is scheduled to receive their first A/C before the end of this year and the accident investigation as been estimated to 1 year.
I imagine that the crash was not widely discussed in Mexico news, and in six months from now, nobody will remember that terrible tragedy in Mexico.
However, I'm wondering if it's not a strategy for negotiating a better price in the buying of the 20 additional A/C mentioned.

This plane will be poison in the USA. Russian A/C have a horrible reputation to begin with and this redefines "black eye". Interjet should seriously question taking this plane. If it turns out to be something other than pilot error they are risking their whole airline on another crash.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7396 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9196 times:

From what I've heard from people who've flown on Aeroflot or Armavia, they seem to like the SSJ,

So I think what Interjet's president is thinking- order a good plane, avoid the Russian Pilots   



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2783 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9123 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 2):
This plane will be poison in the USA. Russian A/C have a horrible reputation to begin with and this redefines "black eye". Interjet should seriously question taking this plane. If it turns out to be something other than pilot error they are risking their whole airline on another crash.

Although I agree people won't like flying on Russian aircraft I'm not sure that matters here. The Superjet looks like any other western made aircraft. I'd be willing to bet a large percentage of the population has no clue where the airplane they are on is manufactured. People may know that Boeing is an American company but I bet most people have no clue where an Airbus or Embraer are made. Just my   .
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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9026 times:
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Quoting BD500 (Reply 1):
I'm wondering if it's not a strategy for negotiating a better price in the buying of the 20 additional A/C mentioned.

It would be silly to not try for a better deal. Just as at this current time Sukhoi *needs* a customer.

A marriage of convenience?   

Quoting Enilria (Reply 2):
This plane will be poison in the USA.

As if most people know what they are flying on. The attention span of John Q public will have been spent by the time Interjet receives their first aircraft. The SSJ does not have a unique enough shape to make anyone point to it and have a non-aviation enthusiast know its Russian (unless they were told).

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User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

I've flown on just about every commercial type of Soviet aircraft, from the An-2 (could almost run next to it) to the Tu-144 on a scary exhibition flight from Moscow to Alma Ata for foreign VIPs and journalists. I flew on a Tu-104 that had dry ice for air conditioning, four times on a Il-62 from Montreal-Moscow on SU and Montreal-Prague on OK. While I was stationed at that time Leningrad (St. Petersburg), most of my flying was done on the Tu-134.

You have to realize that everything at that time was flown under the name of SU, from crop dusters to intercontinentals. Accident and casualty rates were high, because some of the regions the flights served were very inhospitable -- from the Arctic north, to the baking southlands.

I certainly didn't get the service I wanted, but being a foreigner, at least I got a ticket, instead of camping out for days at the SU ticket office. The food was generally uneatable on domestic, and the pilots -- 100% from the Air Force -- didn't give a rat's ass about making your flight pleasant with gentle take-offs and landings. General rating 3 out of 5.

I think the Superjet will find a niche market and Sukhoi will pump out several hundred.


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8383 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 2):
This plane will be poison in the USA. Russian A/C have a horrible reputation to begin with and this redefines "black eye". Interjet should seriously question taking this plane. If it turns out to be something other than pilot error they are risking their whole airline on another crash.

I agree with the fact that Russian aircraft have a troubled history but that doesn't apply here..I don't know all the datails, but It looks like those pilots might've been having a little too much fun just prior to the accident. That has nothing to do with the aircraft

Gulfstream, which pretty much sets the standard lost a G650 in N.M....things happen


User currently offlinecsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8131 times:

Quoting BD500 (Reply 1):
This plane will be poison in the USA. Russian A/C have a horrible reputation to begin with and this redefines "black eye". Interjet should seriously question taking this plane. If it turns out to be something other than pilot error they are risking their whole airline on another crash.

Maybe at first but not for long. When Eastern first took the A-300 many Americans couldn't wrap their heads around a furrin' modern widebody airliner. Once it became a normal part of American aviation, nobody cared.

Furthermore, I would guess that Interjet will fly their Supejets within Mexico before putting it on a Mexico US route (They only have MEX-SAT & MEX-MIA, right?)

And finally, you can bet your bottom ruble that the plane will be billed, and known as either SSJ or just superjet, Sukhoi appearing nowhere on the plane.



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User currently offlinevio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1409 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

Some of the comments here are beyond silly. The safety of any aircraft is to be maintained properly. Have you guys seen some of the "dinosaurs" that we fly in Northern Canada? (737-200), Metro II, Mentro III, etc. Give me a break, the SSJ is a brand new, state of the art jet.

1. So what if the SSJ Crash in Indonesia was caused by pilot error?
2. So what if it was a crash caused by the actual aircraft? Maybe it was something specific to it. Airbus crashed a plane in front of the world's eyes and still ended up selling better than anything else (except the 737 I think).

Look, the bottom line is the SSJ will be an awesome airplane and I can't wait to fly it. Speaking of pax not know what they fly on, some of my friends have no clue on what airline they bought their ticket on, or what airport they will go through, let alone the type of plane or who makes it. I told my fiancee "By the way, did you know Air Canada flies a large fleet of Embraers made in Brazil?" "Brazil???" she answered, "They make airplanes?... cool..."

Well that's that... Let's not forget something here people.... The Russians put the first man in space... They are not idiots and their aircraft (and in general their aerospace industry) is top notch...

[Edited 2012-05-19 07:38:14]


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User currently onlinemtyfreak From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 5020 times:

Quoting Enilria (Reply 2):
This plane will be poison in the USA. Russian A/C have a horrible reputation to begin with and this redefines "black eye". Interjet should seriously question taking this plane.

There really isn't a valid reason for that to happen,

It is a russian aircraft but remember that all avionics are from airbus which is what Interjet currently flies.



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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 4883 times:

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 6):
I've flown on just about every commercial type of Soviet aircraft, from the An-2 (could almost run next to it) to the Tu-144 on a scary exhibition flight from Moscow to Alma Ata

Care to talk about that? It is vaguely related to the topic.


User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
(unless they were told).

Believe me, if an airline like Delta orders the SSJ, John Q Public will be told about how "unsafe and deadly this RUSSIAN" aircraft is. The article's body will most definitely refer to the SSJ's nationality.. and it's recent crash to unnecessarily sensationalise and subjectify news that should be objective.

How much of an effect this has on actual travel numbers is probably irrelevant. People still flew on AA DC-10's after AA 191... the only thing that changed is the aircraft weren't labeled "DC-10." Considering that the DC-10 was a distinctive trijet... the SSJ should be just fine to the public. It looks similar to most jets flying around today.



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User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 663 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting mtyfreak (Reply 10):
all avionics are from airbus

Airbus is not an avionics manufacturer. Thales is the Superjet 100 avionics supplier which is the same (supplier not avionics) than Airbus.

http://www.superjetinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/Technology.jpg

[Edited 2012-05-19 15:59:43]

User currently onlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

Quoting vio (Reply 9):
Some of the comments here are beyond silly.

I agree.

The topic here is the increase in order size after a sad accident.

In my country, the Alemán family (with all its wrongs and rights) have been in the tourism and media business for decades. The point is about the great business opportunity arising from an absolutely undesired tragedy. I bet they were totally aware of Superjet's (the company) situation and worked out a mutually beneficial agreement for both sides.

In their tourism-promoting and business building strategy, the SSJ100 must be an already very well studied and investigated investment.

On what the Americans think of it, I personally do not care at all as we most don't ever care about what our neighbors think. I state this as many firsts in US-México aviation history have been originated in the Mexican side. Mexicana was the first foreign (for the US) airline to offer international scheduled air service in the USA, and just like that I am sure that Interjet will be the first Mexican airline to regularly operate Russian aircraft over US air space.

I congratulate Interjet on taking advantage of a business opportunity that may have not only yielded more affordable and efficient aircraft but will put Interjet in an unbeatable position for future negotiations with Sukhoi, AerMacchi and Superjet, way above most other airlines.

In 1Q 2012, one out of every 10 cars bought by Americans was made in Mexico, I'm pretty sure they are as unaware of that as when they will get on a Mexican operated Sukhoi on their way to a Mexican beach spring break.

Back to topic, undoubtedly Interjet has all kind of intelligence and insurance in case an unexpected unfixable defect is found to be the cause of the unfortunate accident in Indonesia. My prayers are with all involved in the accident, Russian, Indonesian or otherwise as they all belong to the industry.

AeroMexico's Embraer fleet is the one that will face full frontal competition from this acquisition and that topic should be taken to the Mexican Aviation Thread.

During the Arab oil embargo, the US denied fuel service to Mexican airlines in the US, Mexican jet fuel was shipped by land and we were able to fly our planes back, Mexican avocados can now be sold in the US as can canned tuna delivered on Mexican trucks over US Interstates, why not fly Mexican Sukhois under FAA, NTSB, DOT & TSA's authorization under NAFTA rules?

Congatulations again to Interjet even during a very painful time for all, specially for Superjet.



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User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Good move by Interjet showing some common sense rather than a knee-jerk reaction, and they will be likely getting a great business deal in this difficult moment for Sukhoi.

The aircraft is certified by EASA and seems to be performing quite well in service - those are hard facts. Thus, there is no reason to doubt the design without having equally hard facts.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Just in time to lose all their MEX slots to the new MX   

Quoting Enilria (Reply 2):
This plane will be poison in the USA

From what I understand, it will operate domestically, freeing up the Airbii to fly internationally



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User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting mtyfreak (Reply 10):

There really isn't a valid reason for that to happen,

It is a russian aircraft but remember that all avionics are from airbus which is what Interjet currently flies.

To me and you, it is a modern western-as-much-as-it-can-be airliner. But to Joe Public, it's a rusty ol' Soviet military surplus.

In a country where turboprops are religiously avoided by customers because of the perception that they are old and unsafe, Russian airliners might have a hard time selling.


User currently offlineArtc From Mexico, joined Jan 2011, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Culturally, at least until now, aviation is not of big interest for Mexican people, other than for some freaks like me and some others. For this I mean people are neither aware in general on what type of aircraft they are flying on nor where it was built.

As mtyfreak mentioned before, Mexico made milestones when aviation was starting to develop in the early 1900, including the development of the Anahuac propeller, which was exported. Mexico had the frist president using an airplane for transport, and many Mexican pilots such as Fracisco Sarabia and Emilio Carranza breaking a lot of records on distances, altitudes and other things.

I am surprised, and sad actually that Mexico still does not have currently a fully developed aircraft factory.

This note is great for Interjet, and for Sukhoi. I have some Mexicana Airlines ex pilots, and they all find that the worst thing that this contract has, is that the distance between Russia and Mexico is big, so the costs of maintenance and things regarding that will be higher. It is obviously cheaper transport an aircraft, or bring something or give training from the US, Europe or Southamerica, instead than from Russia. But other than that they consider it a wrong choice.

I have been a lover of aircraft and aviation all my life, and been working two years on atc. The only chance I have had to fly on a Russian aircraft has been three times, all flights from MMUN to MUHA, on the Yak-42. It is a beautiful machine. Maybe the noise of the engines are a bit anoying, Soviet aircraft for some reason had a very high frequency some kind of anoying noise. But other than that, beautiful to fly on. As a passenger I felt no difference.

Russian aircraft around the world having accidents is due mainly for lack of maintenance, they are flying in countries with financial problems, countries that used to be totally dependant on the soviet union. Here in Mexico talking about old aircraft we have 737-300, (vivaerobus, oldest fleet, those aircraft uperated by ryanair in the past and in which I will fly in one week), cargo companies use 737-200's, and dc-9's. Not to mention metros and others. BUT they have maintenance.
I will be happy to fly on a SSJ100 very soon, and give ATS to it here.

The aircraft will for sure find some issues, as it starts its career, but just like any other aircraft it will be adapting.
The accident was terrible, for everybody. May they souls rest in peace.
Hopefully soon we will know what was the cause of it.

I will follow how SSJ100 develops in Mexico, it will be very interesting.

greetings.
artur


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