aio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11579 times:
I'm curious why ET's ADD-IAD flight is routed through FCO. As far as I can tell, you cannot purchase a seat on the FCO-IAD route and they have a stand alone ADD-FCO segment. If they are simply refueling, it seems like FCO is a bit circuitous compared to a couple other large airports in Western Europe (such as LIS, MAD). Anyone care to share some history of the route? Is it exactly because ET already has a ground crew handling their flights at FCO?
Any idea of this route will be able to go nonstop with the 787? Or is there too much demand on the route for the aircraft?
LHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11387 times:
Possibly because the flight benefits from additional feed due to the relationship between Italy and Ethiopia? Just a guess, but it is interesting that it's Italy and Italy for a time colonized Ethiopia.
LIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10252 times:
Quoting AF022 (Reply 6): When I checked great circle mapper, direct path to IAD went right over Libya. Are the skies still closed there? That could be the reason for operating via FCO instead of another station..
That's not the reason.
ET stops in Rome on the way to Washington since long before the 'Arab Spring' in Libya and in the MENA region in general.
Before the 77L joined the fleet, ET used to fly with 763 and used to stop in FCO both ways to/from IAD. There also was a time when they flew to EWR (early '00s), always routed though FCO (if I remember right, routing was ADD-FCO-EWR-IAD-EWR-FCO-ADD).
At the time they also attempted to request 5th freedom rights between Italy and USA but they were never granted.
News of these days ET will fly to Toronto at the same way they fly to Washington, stopping in Rome westbound.
robertlondon From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7389 times:
Having worked for ET in London (a few years ago now !) it's my experience that this service routes via FCO exactly as LHCVG mentions.
Historically Italy and Ethiopia have strong ties and there is a sizeable Ethiopian community in Italy.
The IAD service is very much a diplomatic service (for obvious reasons) but is operated as an extension of the FCO service. As far as I'm aware IAD has never had a direct service from ADD , because of the operational challenges flying out of ADD but also because even with the large diplomatic and UN presence in Ethiopia there is insufficient traffic to warrant this. Perhaps with the introduction of the 787's this will change.
Despite the Washington, DC, area having the greatest amount of Ethiopians in the USA and, probably, North America, and the many connection opportunities to Central and Eastern Africa for which its IAD services are timed? I'd have thought demand for ADD-IAD-ADD would have been from more of a combination of drivers.
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dkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6837 times:
Quoting robertlondon (Reply 11): The IAD service is very much a diplomatic service (for obvious reasons) but is operated as an extension of the FCO service. As far as I'm aware IAD has never had a direct service from ADD
That is completely false. The IAD service is not extension to the FCO service. FCO is a tech stop en route to IAD. No passengers travel on the ADD-FCO sector. It is a fuel stop.
gothamspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6033 times:
Quoting LHCVG (Reply 3): Possibly because the flight benefits from additional feed due to the relationship between Italy and Ethiopia? Just a guess, but it is interesting that it's Italy and Italy for a time colonized Ethiopia.
No passenger feed, because no one gets on or off in Rome, but I think some cargo is moved.
retrolivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4631 times:
Quoting TIA (Reply 18): I lived in DC for 3 years. This is not a diplomatic flight. The Ethiopian community in the US is concentrated in DC.
As a native Washingtonian, I can 100% back this up. A walk around the U Street/Adams Morgan area alone will see Ethiopian restaurants on many street corners, and in elementary and middle school I had many Ethiopian classmates.
The community's presence in that city is very, very palpable, and is one of the things that makes DC so interesting and unique.
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SepulTALLICA From Niger, joined Sep 2009, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4552 times:
Out of interest, does anyone have any stats on the distribution of African communities throughout the US? As in, which city has the largest "African" expat community - i.e Ethiopians, Nigerians, Kenyans etc counted together. Would it be NYC, DC, LA ranking highest?