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New Fence At St Maarten  
User currently offlineabrown532 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 152 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 25503 times:

Couldn't help but notice that in this recent picture there appears to be a second fence behind the existing fence. Would do much to stop the jet blast but I guess they had to do something.....

http://www.airliners.net/photo/JetBl...d=419053a8fd1258fe39a5a981bbbff361

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2876 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 25473 times:

Just my opinion on this, maybe someone from SXM can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the fence has anything to do with jet blast. Blast fences are quite different looking. I have a feeling this is an attempt to bring the perimeter fence as close to the road as possible to reduce the amount of fence surfers.


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User currently offlineToneale From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 25422 times:

I was there last month. The new fence is up against the road rails and is intended to reduce fence surfing. It has had the intended effect.

User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 25132 times:

I guess the video of the girl getting blasted got the second fence put up. Litigious society kills the idea of personal responsibility.

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3382 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25039 times:

"I guess the video of the girl getting blasted got the second fence put up. Litigious society kills the idea of personal responsibility."

I think it was there before that


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3727 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24665 times:

Just checked. The second fence was there the day of the "incident" video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8leu8Iaqis

[Edited 2012-05-20 16:40:18]


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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24549 times:
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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24185 times:

There was a secondary fence like that when I was at SXM in May 2011.


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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 22783 times:

I feel like the secondary fence contributed to her accident. If she was surfing off of the "original" fence, her feet would have found more grip in the sand..


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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2320 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 21182 times:

Given that topic, the fence at St Maarten – is it true that Air France has once damaged the fence?

I remember reading "Air Fence" in the connection with SXM...

David



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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 20359 times:

Quoting abrown532 (Thread starter):
Couldn't help but notice that in this recent picture there appears to be a second fence behind the existing fence. Would do much to stop the jet blast but I guess they had to do something.....

That's not a new fence.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 9):

Given that topic, the fence at St Maarten – is it true that Air France has once damaged the fence?

I remember reading "Air Fence" in the connection with SXM...

Yes, I believe that is true... And this is just the story I heard when I was on the island, but the aircraft took off the top half of the fence, and when they rebuilt the fence they did it half as tall so it wouldn't happen again - which is why the fence directly behind the runway is half the height of the rest of the perimeter fence. If that's the case, then many thanks to those AF pilots - it's great being able to took over the fence!



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User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 15843 times:

I saw this same thing in the picture and wondered when they added the fence - I know it wasn't there last fall! Thanks for the update.

User currently offlinetp1040 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 15363 times:

Looks more like airport intruder defense. Double barbed wire.

User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14506 times:

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 10):
That's not a new fence.

Correct,
I held on to the "new" fence back in 2010, although I don't recall it being green. The inside fence has barbed wire on it in order to stop people from entering airport property but there is no reason to think a chain link fence or two is going to stop jetblast.

The day they put up a blast fence at that airport is the day I find a new Caribbean island to go to!!!!!!



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14285 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 3):
Litigious society kills the idea of personal responsibility.

Please! What laws in St. Maarten encourage personal injury litigation?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14227 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 14):
What laws in St. Maarten

You coulda stopped there. :p


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 12972 times:

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 11):

I saw this same thing in the picture and wondered when they added the fence - I know it wasn't there last fall! Thanks for the update.

It was.



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User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11355 times:

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 10):
Yes, I believe that is true... And this is just the story I heard when I was on the island, but the aircraft took off the top half of the fence, and when they rebuilt the fence they did it half as tall so it wouldn't happen again - which is why the fence directly behind the runway is half the height of the rest of the perimeter fence. If that's the case, then many thanks to those AF pilots - it's great being able to took over the fence!

Those AF pilots are quite fearless chaps!!!

And yes the fence was there when that lady tried and Failed to hang to it during the take off... but hey! if authorities do not defend us from our own stupidity, who will do it??? /rant off



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User currently offlineaddictedMAN From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9704 times:

This is a photo of me at SXM in May 2009. Admittedly it was 3 years ago, but I think it shows very clearly what the fence was previously like. The new fence appears to be right where that low metal barrier is.



User currently offlinejeffreyklm From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9608 times:

That second fence was there in May 2010 when I was there.... Nothing new.


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User currently offlineFoxtrot789 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 17):
but hey! if authorities do not defend us from our own stupidity, who will do it??? /rant off

I don't know... Darwin?


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8479 times:

Quoting addictedMAN (Reply 18):
This is a photo of me at SXM in May 2009. Admittedly it was 3 years ago, but I think it shows very clearly what the fence was previously like. The new fence appears to be right where that low metal barrier is.

OK, I took this photo Summer 2010 - the fence was apparently added sometime between March and August two years ago.




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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

Quoting addictedMAN (Reply 18):

This is a photo of me at SXM in May 2009. Admittedly it was 3 years ago, but I think it shows very clearly what the fence was previously like. The new fence appears to be right where that low metal barrier is.

You're not pointing the camera at where the fence is. The double fence only exists RIGHT behind the runway, on the extended centreline. Where your picture is taken from it's a single fence still.


Quoting richierich (Reply 21):
OK, I took this photo Summer 2010 - the fence was apparently added sometime between March and August two years ago.

No, the double fence is and has always been right behind the runway, i.e where your picture shows. The rest of the fence is a single fence.



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User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

So folks, to be clear:

The fence was added between March and August of 2010.

The fence was not originally green. The fence is now green.

Therefore, it is safe to say the fence has since been refurbished, with what looks to be the addition of some barbed wire.

Mystery = solved.



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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5507 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 10):
Yes, I believe that is true... And this is just the story I heard when I was on the island, but the aircraft took off the top half of the fence, and when they rebuilt the fence they did it half as tall so it wouldn't happen again - which is why the fence directly behind the runway is half the height of the rest of the perimeter fence. If that's the case, then many thanks to those AF pilots - it's great being able to took over the fence!

I always wondered if this was true. If so, that's insane. The hardly seems safe to have people around if an aircraft can clip the fence. Perhaps they should close the beach directly in front of the approach path.


25 WA707atMSP : Noooooooo! When I visited SXM in 2005, there was some talk that they would extend the runway into the lagoon on the east side of the airport, and put
26 kl838 : The runway was extended and the threshold was also put in place and it was completed a year or so ago. (not exactly sure when) I live next to the run
27 flyingturtle : WOW! I'm proud of repeat offenders. The aircrew(s) in question are current with the aviation obstacles at the airport in question, and should be comm
28 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : This AF story reminds me of these photos of a KLM 744: View Large View MediumPhoto © JAR Photography They were a real eye opener when I first saw th
29 richierich : So you're saying that only AF has clipped the fence? Judging by the photos above, it would be amazing if KLM hadn't nicked it once or twice too! OK -
30 kl838 : As far as I know, KLM hasn't ever clipped the fence, it was only Air France and I guess most probably because they took off from runway 28 (formerly
31 817Dreamliiner : Well judging from the photo I posted, they came pretty close.
32 Post contains links and images ha763 : Actually, it looks like it was installed in 2007: May 26, 2007 View Large View MediumPhoto © Sam Pollitt July 29, 2007 View Large View MediumPhoto
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