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QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE  
User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 476 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

http://www.news.com.au/business/comp...-jobs/story-fnda1bsz-1226362229977

Living in Queensland this is good for out local economy, but not so for Victoria. AJ claims it could have been easy to offshore, but thinks BNE can be competitive.

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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

If it lets them retain some of their operations in Australia then I'm all for it. If the government was serious about stopping jobs like these being cut then they'd propose something similar to what they've done in the car industry...

User currently offlinestrangr From Australia, joined Apr 2012, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):
If it lets them retain some of their operations in Australia then I'm all for it.

with such a union heavy workforce it is good they have at least kept some jobs in Australia then I am all for it. But as a Victorian yes it is sad for those workers, some I know.

In saying that though the flyers want price, but to get to price they need to cut costs. To cut costs they need to consolidate, to consolidate they need to close bases.

I am still amazed that with the amazing amount of traffic that is Sydney that they have a maint' base there.


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

they moved heavy maintenance from SYD to MEL/AVV, now moving it to BNE.... next step will be NZ or S.E. Asia.

the other thing to take from this - AVV will no doubt close when the last 747 departs the fleet (if not sooner).


User currently offlineqantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

given that Tullamarine was only supposed to exist for a few years it's remarkable that it lasted 14 years. Most have known for a long time that this day might come, much longer than a few months too.


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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
they moved heavy maintenance from SYD to MEL/AVV, now moving it to BNE.... next step will be NZ or S.E. Asia.

At this rate, thats the only way they will actually hit their cost reduction target to remain competitive.

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
the other thing to take from this - AVV will no doubt close when the last 747 departs the fleet (if not sooner).

I think AVV may well be around for quite a while yet, looking after the 767 fleet until they go may well be on the radar. Time will tell. Its workforce is contracted which gives it some flexibility afterall.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Thread starter):
Living in Queensland this is good for out local economy

For the time being. Whens that contract with the Qld govt end? It was a very key reason Qld kept its role in the mx ops, along with it being a newer facility.

Quoting qantas077 (Reply 4):
given that Tullamarine was only supposed to exist for a few years it's remarkable that it lasted 14 years. Most have known for a long time that this day might come, much longer than a few months too.

Very true. Its been on the chopping block for a long time. Its hardly a shock.


User currently offlinebookishaviator From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

As already mentioned, hardly a shock that QF have made this decision. The usual melodramatic statements from the unions are to be expected, but it is obviously still a blow to the industry in this state.

On a more personal note, I was sad to hear this news because the MEL maintenance base was my first real-world exposure to the inner workings of the aviation industry. I completed my year 10 work experience course here (many moons ago) - I didn't realise it at the time, but it ended up being two of the most formative weeks of my life thus far!



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User currently offlineTruemanqld From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):

they moved heavy maintenance from SYD to MEL/AVV, now moving it to BNE.... next step will be NZ or S.E. Asia.

Thats a big leap you have taken there. BNE provides a perfect place for maintenance as the base is relatively new and has a lot of room to expand. Time will tell, but for now I am just glad the jobs are remaining in Australia


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

i want to know why people either forget or choose to forget that DJ do alot of their maint. in New Zealand, but when QF decide to maintain a certain fleet off-shore its so criminal?
Im all for jobs on-shore to, but also, i need to remain in a job, so getting rid of maint. bases that are not needed anymore, is a good thing for the overall airline.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Truemanqld, it comes down to wages mainly and the cost of delivering the service.

Also keep in mind the key reason that QF chose BNE was because it was the only option, given the contract with the Qld govt. Who knows what will come next in their planning when that expires.

In the next decade, unfortunately I can see line maintenance as the only mx undertaken in Australia. This is step one in a move to make them competitive, but it's fairly clear that the cost of completing this work in this country is not going to be a positive aspect of that goal.


User currently offlineStickShaker From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 754 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):
If the government was serious about stopping jobs like these being cut then they'd propose something similar to what they've done in the car industry...

You've got to be kidding. Why should Aussie taxpayers subsidise private enterprise jobs if there is no longer a business case to support them. The auto industry has been propped up for years with no benefit whatsoever to taxpayers. No one has ever subsidised my job so I dont see why my taxes should subsidise someone else. It is nothing more than industrial nostalgia - yearning for bygone years and the way we were.
Aviation is one of the most volatile in the world - you either adapt or you disappear. Look what happened to Ansett.


Regards,
StickShaker


User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 10):

I absolutely 100% agree!! I am simply jumping in before the inevitable government response, which will be to yack on about how disappointing it is to see iconic Australian companies trying to deliberately destroy the Australian economy... Either do something about it, or shut up!!


User currently offlineThunderB From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Goodbye Qantas maintenance Melbourne.......



Hello Jestar maintenance Melbourne............


As if QF as an organisation give up the hangers and space on their lease..... ha!


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

Jetstars mx is carried out next door at MEL with JH. It's definitely not out of the question that JH may take over more space in the future to meet the needs of TT, JQ and it's many other customers.

Not saying any time soon, as someone has failed to read in some of my posts in another forum, but it's an option that may come into play in future.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12472 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 10):
The auto industry has been propped up for years with no benefit whatsoever to taxpayers.


Yes there is some benefit whatsoever to taxpayers, because the auto workers themselves are taxpayers.

The real question is does this benefit cost more than it's worth?

I imagine it can be a net positive in dollars and cents terms if you add up the cost of the auto workers being on the dole and chewing up other public services, and not paying taxes, and not using the services of others, and then the effect on the tax base of the enterprise itself being closed or greatly reduced.

Then you get the other costs that aren't measured in dollars and cents that frequently come with unemployment.

I guess it depends on the amount of "propping", which I do not know. Clearly in some cases such propping can be out of hand, such as Alitalia, where pilots had chauffeured rides from home to the airport being subsidized by the taxpayer.

Feel free to educate me...



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User currently offlineThunderB From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

JHAS cant maintain what they have contract wise. They dont have the man power to expand let alone increase the workload.

JQ will most probably build their own maintenance and provide QF support as well.

Before long you will see a more 'cost effective' QF company owned service provider under the JQ branding.


User currently offlineStickShaker From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 754 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 11):

You got me.  
Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
The real question is does this benefit cost more than it's worth?


In the case of the Australian auto industry it does but I wouldn't try to comment on the US auto industry. The Australian auto industry has been building products no-one wants for years and has grown complacent in the knowledge that government support will always be there. If it was a transient thing then there would be some justification for that support.


Regards,
StickShaker


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5501 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):

Yes there is some benefit whatsoever to taxpayers, because the auto workers themselves are taxpayers.

The real question is does this benefit cost more than it's worth?

I did an economics assignment on this, and while I'm sure someone a lot smarter and with a lot more data in Treasurey and Finance has also crunched the numbers, going of the information freely available in the public domain we shouldn't be giving a cent to the auto industry (in Australia, can't speak for North America).

The amount pumped in to the industry equates to significantly more per employee than paying each one unemployment. And of course even that is an artificial analogy, since most won't be unemployed since the majority would be able to find other employment even if it's in the Pilbarra.

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 16):
The Australian auto industry has been building products no-one wants for years and has grown complacent in the knowledge that government support will always be there

  



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User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Are there many airlines that do their own heavy maintenance these days? Or is it mostly outsourced?

User currently offlineTruemanqld From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):

Truemanqld, it comes down to wages mainly and the cost of delivering the service.

Also keep in mind the key reason that QF chose BNE was because it was the only option, given the contract with the Qld govt. Who knows what will come next in their planning when that expires.

I realise that, and should have made it clearer in my response, I was more pointing to the fact that just because QF is consolidating MX bases, doesn't directly lead to it is next going to go off shore.

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 10):
Aviation is one of the most volatile in the world - you either adapt or you disappear. Look what happened to Ansett.

Yes, but to adapt, QF needs a fair playing field. Domestically, it does not have that while it is restrained by the QF Sales Act AND when media is so focused on QF, and would let DJ get away with whatever they wanted. Internationally... well lets not go there again.


User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Quoting Truemanqld (Reply 19):
D when media is so focused on QF, and would let DJ get away with whatever they wanted. Internationally..

And this is the annoying thing that gets me, the public that dont know the full ins and outs of aviation, yet form a lynch mob when QF does something to improve the company. They are chastised by the unions and media and the public follows.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Quoting Truemanqld (Reply 19):
I realise that, and should have made it clearer in my response, I was more pointing to the fact that just because QF is consolidating MX bases, doesn't directly lead to it is next going to go off shore.

Its not evidence in itself you are right, but its definately something that I am sure they will look towards.

If they can not achieve their value goals from this transformation it will be even ore compelling. The Qld govt deal was a big incentive to stay this time, but once that is up, it will likely be another drama like this one played out.


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