jumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 933 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13941 times:
Intrigued by the UA at LHR thread I thought I'd do a bit of digging to see just how much traffic there is across the Atlantic on a typical day from LHR and which destinations are served. Having done my digging I thought I'd share the key figures just in case anyone else is interested.
Taking Friday 25th May as my typical day and the BAA LHR website it appears [subject to me getting it wrong]:
- there are 124 non-stop flights from LHR to the Americas/Caribbean of which 100 are to the USA.
- LHR serves 21 destinations in the USA; 8 in Canada and collectively only 5 in the rest of the Americas
- South of Mexico the only countries with a direct service to LHR are Brazil and Argentina.
- BA have 39 of the daily flights to the USA followed by UA with 19; AA 18 and VS 12
- Outside the USA AC have 11 flights to 8 destinations; BA 11 flights to 9 destinations and JJ 2 flights to 2 destinations.
- There are 10 carriers crossing the Atlantic - the only non UK /USA carriers being AC;TAM; NZ and KU.
- BA serve 18 destinations in the US followed by VS at 8;AA at 7; UA 6; DL 5 and US 2. NZ serves LAX.
- Of the 124 flights One world have 68; Star Alliance 34; Skyteam 9; and non allied airlines 13
- Most popular destinations; JFK 19;ORD 10; EWR10; LAX 10; and BOS 9.
What this tells us I am not sure but in my view it
a) questions the accepted assumption that LHR is a BA fortress when it comes to the Americas at least
b)the route planners really should look at their atlases and see what countries and opportunities exist south of Mexico.
I was hoping I could have done a summary of the aeroplane types that shuttle back and forth - does anyone know of a good website where that information can be found.
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2202 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11200 times:
Quoting peanuts (Reply 7): What it tells me is that SkyTeam has a huge challenge here.
Correct, but in the largest US markets (NYC, ORD, LA, BOS), SkyTeam is only a minor player in terms of ff base when it comes to capture the most lucrative o&d traffic, as DL's competitors all run the bigger operations than DL in these cities (NYC may have a larger SkyTeam ff base, but DL's hub is still dwarfed is AA's and UA's). In LHR, there are no SkyTeam connections either, something which AA can solidly rely upon when flying from minor hubs such as RDU, and from any major hub too.
Arguably, non-stop DL service to LAX and MIA could be a plus. Not sure what else. IAD, IAH, ORD also are big markets but they are UA's best kept fortresses...
Point is, one wants to fly to LHR with DL form any minor city with no non-stop service, one can, and offer is comparable to UA and AA (or BA).
Also, with 100% 767-400 service, DL only sends its most modern equipment (cabin-wise) to LHR, proof that it must be a market that makes some $$$ despite a smaller offer than the competition's... (before someone asks, summer is 3x 764 JFK & ATL, 1x 764 DTW, MSP and BOS)
DrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9354 times:
I have a question with my economics professor hat on.
What is the daily seat capacity between the LHR and the Americas? Using the daily flight data for American and United, I have done the following table:
Type Seats Frequency Daily Capacity
777 243 13 3159
767 225 3 675
757 176 3 528
Type Seats Frequency
777 269 8 2152
767 183 5 915
757 169 4 676
I wonder if we included Virgin, BA, Delta et al what the figure would be? Even on their own, however, American and United have a daily capacity equivalent to 3.79 the capacity of the Queen Mary, which took around 4-ish days to cross the Atlantic! Put another way, this demonstrates the interconnectedness of the UK and US economies as even with population growth since the 1940s, there is a huge two way traffic between the two nations.
I am currently getting ready to monitor an exam and cannot keep down the path of nerdery until lunch; does anyone have the plane types, frequencies for the other flights from Heathrow to the Americas to hand?
QFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8274 times:
Quoting jumpjets (Thread starter): b)the route planners really should look at their atlases and see what countries and opportunities exist south of Mexico.
In BA's case, although it does not service much of Latin America, it relies on IB to carry most of the traffic to MAD (both being part of IAG). With LHR so slot controlled I believe growth for BA will come from Asia instead of Latin America.
slinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7917 times:
I did a similar analysis last year and it's worth adding in LGW, MAN, GLA, EDI and others such as does CO/UA still fly to Birmingham) to get the full picture of flying across the Atlantic.. Adding LGW for example and you have a host of Caribbean destinations to add when thinking about routes and destinations.
As for VS, depending on the day your numbers go higher from LHR to 13 daily flights (will be 14 in October when the VS25 returns):
VS 3 / 9 / 45 to JKF
VS1 / 18 to EWR
VS 5 to MIA
VS 7 / 23 to LAX
VS 11 to BOS
VS 19 / 41 to SFO - the 41 alternating with the VS 95 to YYV
VS 21 to IAD
VS 39 to ORD
Then there's the flights to LAS from LGW and MAN, and MCO from LGW, MAN, and GLA.
jumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2477 times:
Quoting imag (Reply 13): But look at the equipment that BA throw at the Americas. How many other airlines have regular 744 service?
Agreed - BA has roughly 20 744 flights a day to the US. But this in itself does not make LHR a BA fortress - for example UA has 5 flights a day from EWR to LHR operated primarily [if not exclusively] by 757s]. If UA really wanted to ramp up the competition with BA [ who manage 2 777 and 1 767 a day to EWR] they don't have to plead for more slots, they could for example use 777s instead and save a couple of slots at LHR for other US cities.