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UA To Launch DEN-NRT  
User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 20721 times:

Per the Denver Business Journal, to be announced later today.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...rlines-to-launch-denver-tokyo.html

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User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 20654 times:

I am incredibly excited about this service, glad to hear Denver is finally getting some more international destinations!

User currently offlineStressedout From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 20461 times:

Awesome..............I just hope it is with the 787!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlinedia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20222 times:

Wow!! Awesome news! I wish it was on ANA metal, but still great news nonetheless!

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2728 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20226 times:

Great news. Maybe indicates UA is not going to have a wholesale reduction at DEN.

It will be interesting to see how it's scheduled.

Obviously out of the UA bank in NRT, but DEN looks like a couple hours short of a turn at DEN to be first out of NRT and last back in NRT. If a 787, then there may have to be a swap out in DEN or in NRT. One swap out alternative may be LHR. A morning LHR-DEN could provide the DEN-NRT and return NRT-DEN could make up an afternoon DEN-NRT. 2 aircraft package that would need a maintenance swap out at NRT or LHR.


Otherwise, depending on demand, it might be a better 763ER bird or 772, unless there are other 787s operating into NRT.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20154 times:

This is great news. With DEN, SJC, ans SAN getting NRT service, this leaves LAS, PHX, and MIA as the top three remaining cities to support Tokyo service.

User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20082 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 4):
Otherwise, depending on demand, it might be a better 763ER bird or 772, unless there are other 787s operating into NRT.

It won't be a 763 for sure. Likely to be a 777, or it'll be the same type of 'in the future, with the 787' announcement they made for IAH-AKL.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 4):

Great news. Maybe indicates UA is not going to have a wholesale reduction at DEN.

They just signed an agreement with DEN to grow their ASMs from the airport by 4.5% over the next four years - so I think we can put all of the 'the sky is falling!' threads to rest for now.


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20073 times:

LAS had it before but the promised support of the casinos was lacking because Vegas was "booming" at the time, so NW dropped NRT-LAS, really sad but a route like that takes support..from the businesses in the area

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7970 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20060 times:

Quoting Stressedout (Reply 2):
Awesome..............I just hope it is with the 787!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet that's gonna be so.

IMO if DEN can successfully support NRT service, I don't know why PHX can't sustain service either. (Most likely from NH or JL depending on IF the merger happens)



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 19943 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
(Most likely from NH or JL depending on IF the merger happens)

NH and JL merging? Unlikely.



John@SFO
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19849 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 5):

This is great news. With DEN, SJC, ans SAN getting NRT service, this leaves LAS, PHX, and MIA as the top three remaining cities to support Tokyo service.


MCO is the largest market without Tokyo service, then Vegas, Miami and Philly.

Denver is a smaller market to Asia than any of the above (and Phoenix even smaller), which is why I find this addition questionable, specially given United's shaky history in DENLON, a market around 6x larger.



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19760 times:

Wonderful... More international flights to my home city.

Maybe it has finally dawned on UA they need to finally diversify their presence in DEN. Being an almost purely domestic hub will not cut it.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7970 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19677 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 9):
NH and JL merging? Unlikely.

I mean depends on US AIRWAYS merges or not -_- sorry



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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19626 times:

Great news for UA and DEN. I had thought we would see this route on NH metal but glad its UAs

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 4):
One swap out alternative may be LHR. A morning LHR-DEN could provide the DEN-NRT and return NRT-DEN could make up an afternoon DEN-NRT. 2 aircraft package that would need a maintenance swap out at NRT or LHR.

I would so love to see the DEN-LHR flight back, it was always packed to the gills on the times I flew it (I know that does not tell the whole story). With the merger with CO and ramping it up at DEN I really cannot see why UA out of one of its largest hubs cannot give BA a run for its money on the route.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19598 times:

Finally a product differentiation for united over frontier and southwest. I am very surprised but I think it's a good move. Can't wait to hear details. With two pacific hubs I still think London would make more sense to retry given its so much larger and can take a 767.

Last I heard delta still wanted to bring back slc-nrt when the economy improves. This flight to will make it harder though if us adds phx then they won't I bet. For those that didnt see dl isn't flying the slc-nrt this summer and trying to increase load factors on the other nrt routes plus the a330 still had to have weight limits on the slc-nrt portion of which killed some cargo and didn't sell all the seats so they didn't really have a perfect plane for the route. A 787 and denver longer runways will help alot to fill cargo and have every seat full. The a330 had take off limitations on an almost identical route a 767-200/300 cannot make it. If it's united could it really be a 777? Seems way too big with two pacific hubs by United I would hope it's a 787


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19600 times:

Seems to me this route is another that the 787 was built for. The only question for me is who's metal it will be flown on? ANA seems the most logical. However, NH seems to be talking "early 2013" for SJC-NRT and that was announced late last year! I don't think UA would have enough of the Dreamliners within that timeframe but they certainly could use another a/c to start the route, then switch to the '87 when available.

I guess we will learn many more details in just a few hours...

bb


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19564 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 5):
this leaves LAS, PHX, and MIA as the top three remaining cities to support Tokyo service.

LAS is probably a matter of time to allow the economy to recover a bit more. US plans on starting PHX-NRT with the A350, but that's years off at best and if I had to guess, it'll never happen. PHX would be better suited for a return of FRA service. I'm not sure if a MIA service would work or not...787 service would be the only chance in hell it could be profitable -- same with PHX. LAS could eventually sustain a 777 probably 5-6x weekly, but pulling in the premium loads would be a challenge in all three markets.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19495 times:

I hope it's a 787. It would be an amazing change of international dedication for ua at denver to refuse to fly a 767-300 on Lhr-den but to fly a 777 to nrt a route that's so much smaller. I would just worry a 777 is way too large even if it's temporary and united might have a change of heart so I hope it's a 787

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a connection between this flight and maybe ua ending sea.....I'm surprised no one went down that road yet........

Las-nrt is the only route I am pretty confident we will see once the economy improves.

[Edited 2012-05-22 02:03:43]

[Edited 2012-05-22 02:11:17]

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19171 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):

difference being as UA will not be going head to head with a competitor like they were with BA on the LHR lane.



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User currently offlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 890 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19165 times:

Congratulations, Denver!  

The route will be Denver's first appearance in World's Longest Flights, 16 May Updates (by yeogeo May 9 2012 in Aviation Polls)

For now, it will appear in the lineup as the 233rd longest reg. sched. pax flight in the world:

5030nm YYZ-TLV Air Canada 763x5[4] / El Al 767x3[4]
(5029nm DEN-NRT United scheduled early 2013)
5027nm DME-PUJº Transaero 744x4


cheers!
yeo



[Edited 2012-05-22 04:45:46]


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11976 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18917 times:

Smart move by United. This is a big hub-hub market that was not filled in their network, and perhaps more importantly, it appears the deal United cut yesterday with DIA shrewdly included "growth" commitments based on ASMs. Well there you go! This one route - with a plane likely seating 200+ people, flying nearly 5,800 miles - alone will generate a sizable portion (maybe even 1/4-1/3) of United's entire ASM growth commitment. Again - smart move by United.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
Finally a product differentiation for united over frontier and southwest. I am very surprised but I think it's a good move. Can't wait to hear details. With two pacific hubs I still think London would make more sense to retry given its so much larger and can take a 767.

I, too, still find it surprising that United doesn't fly DEN-LHR - even just summer/ski seasonal, with a 767.


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18470 times:

Maybe with Iceland Air and now UA launching international routes, maybe some have finally realized DEN is not a poor market for new international service.

I think UA should consider LHR-DEN at least on a seasonal basis. There is room for another carrier.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3078 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18429 times:
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Great to see DEN getting Asia service again, after 13 years!


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User currently offlineytib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18221 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 21):
I think UA should consider LHR-DEN at least on a seasonal basis. There is room for another carrier.

Where should they take the slot from to do that service? That becomes the issue with DEN-LHR, they find the usage of the slot from a different city makes more sense to them.


User currently offlinecjpmaestro From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18169 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 16):
LAS is probably a matter of time to allow the economy to recover a bit more. US plans on starting PHX-NRT with the A350, but that's years off at best and if I had to guess, it'll never happen. PHX would be better suited for a return of FRA service. I'm not sure if a MIA service would work or not...787 service would be the only chance in hell it could be profitable -- same with PHX. LAS could eventually sustain a 777 probably 5-6x weekly, but pulling in the premium loads would be a challenge in all three markets.

I think a combined AA/US could make PHX-NRT happen more quickly, particularly if US becomes part of OW.


25 CALPSAFltSkeds : On another thread, it was stated EWR would go down to 4 trips with two 752s being replaced by one 763. Not sure if that's permanent or even correct.
26 LAXintl : Nice 787 route, in time for the Summer 2013 schedule. UA already tried DEN-LHR for several years. Decent loads, not much premium demand. Perhaps might
27 RDH3E : Where are the haters that have been saying DEN was getting pulled down to nothing? Present yourselves to the crowd please....
28 United1 : The two-class 764/763 might make it feasible this time around. The flight is loaded in SHARES.....UA 123 with 788 service...Departs DEN at 1155 and a
29 LAXintl : 763 had performance issues at DEN, hence 777 was the only option. If they want to dedicate a 788 that could make it, however with limited frames, I d
30 United1 : I didn't realize that the 763 would have performance issues...if that's the case completely agreed that it will be a while (if ever) until UA retries
31 United787 : Congrats to UA, NH, DEN and NRT! I am sure NH blessed this decision since it seems to have been a key negiotating tatic by UA. I thought UA is only su
32 OOer : The SLC-CDG flight runs into performance issues in the summer and it's on a 767-300ER on DL metal. Considering that KDEN is about 1,000 feet higher t
33 United1 : As the flight is flown as part of the joint venture between UA and NH I'm sure both airlines looked at it and decided which carrier would be a better
34 qf002 : They will need 2 frames to do DEN-NRT anyway (given the schedule posted by United1), so why not incorporate LHR into that? They should just about be
35 RDH3E : How many they are getting this year is irrelevant. The route doesn't start until next year and we don't know how many deliveries UA expects in 1Q13..
36 tommy767 : Way to go DEN! And to think that everyone keeps saying this hub is a goner. They were (are) wrong.
37 Stressedout : This is awesome news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
38 bobbypsp : Interesting side note: I used United's mobile app and believe this is the first UA 787 loaded along with a seat map Business First and Economy. Econom
39 United1 : Looks like a dummy seat map that they threw together....the forward Y class cabin and a few J class seats are blacked out.
40 CO787EWR : That has to be 3x3x3 by which I mean 9 across no way is UA having 6 seats in Y. To bad UA doesn't go with a real Y+ setup like some international car
41 United787 : I just check some early dates and some seats are already blacked out!
42 slcdeltarumd11 : To be accurate i dont remember many saying that on here. Very few people have ever said untied would dehub denver but reducing domestic o&d to th
43 bobbypsp : Nothing like nitpicking. 3seats x 3 = 9.
44 MAH4546 : People really underestimate how big Florida-Asia is, with MIAHKG larger than any other Southeast/Texas market from Hong Kong an with MCONRT the secon
45 laca773 : Wasn't NH in talks with DIA to start DIA-NRT with the 787? Did the talks stall, come to an end? Would the 763ER possibly be able to do a route of thi
46 mogandoCI : if i'm reading the seat map correctly it's 32 J plus 177 Y and Y+ combined for a total of 209 ?
47 matt777 : I find it incredible that UA would come back to intercontinental DEN flying. Why is not ANA operating the route?
48 gigneil : Why would you find it incredible? Denver is a large business community located far from other major cities. It deserves service. Why would ANA fly it
49 BACCALA : United will operate the service with Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft with 219 seats—36 in BusinessFirst and 183 in United Economy, including 63 Econo
50 mogandoCI : Any info regarding Y and Y+ split of the 183 ? Will Y+ be 2-4-2 or 3-3-3 ?
51 Post contains links KBJCpilot : A story in the Denver Post this morning mentioned that Tokyo is the number one Asian destination for overseas travelers from Denver. If that is the ca
52 RDH3E : I would think this hurts the SEA flight the most as it has the smallest catchment. But perhaps there is also enough local demand there as well. I see
53 redzeppelin : It will be interesting to see how UA uses the 787 during the 23 hour stopover in DEN. While Delta was running SLC-NRT, they used the A330s to make a S
54 mogandoCI : Ahh yes. I've posted before his edit. Thanks.
55 mogandoCI : Would something like NRT-DEN-IAH-AKL work out schedule wise ?
56 planespotting : Not sure if you're referring to something more specific (like O&D pax?), but Denver (#21) is a larger market (per MSA population) than both Orlan
57 Post contains images OH-LGA : Congrats to UA, DEN and NRT! Very cool news... Just noticed the flight numbers - I guess we know now what they're doing with the flight numbers vacat
58 LAXintl : Does not really matter now that NH-UA have begun their comprehensive metal neutral Pacific JV. Both cost and revenues are shared between the airlines
59 Post contains links LAXintl : Here is the formal press release: DENVER SAY "KONNICHIWA" TO TOKYO http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...er-konnichiwa-tokyo-173000458.html Effective
60 Post contains images ScottB : That statistic says very little since Tokyo is the top Asian destination from practically every U.S. city, with the possible exception of NYC (TLV) a
61 western727 : That means about 1999...what was that last service, out of curiosity, and on what month did it end? Thanks in advance.
62 The777Man : That's the most likely routing of the aircraft, in my opinion. Makes total sense. The777Man
63 CALPSAFltSkeds : The fact that the announcement didn't include 1-stop service means the aircraft will come from a hub, probably IAH. While LHR is possible, it would b
64 dia77 : I think he's referring to Korean Air's one stop service between Denver and Seoul which terminated in early 2001 or late 2000.
65 drerx7 : Yep, as of now that's the only 787 pilot base. My guess is it will run NRT-DEN-IAH-AKL or NRT-DEN-IAH-LOS. At least it'll run that way until enough a
66 ordjoe : The 787 seems perfect for this, I can see it doing we'll. DEN has a good economy, good amount of tech firms. Way to go united.
67 klkla : I would think this is related to ANA's new SEA-NRT route. I would be willing to bet that United stops their SEA-NRT flight and moves the metal to DEN-
68 drerx7 : Well, moves the resources not the metal. The carbon fiber will be out of DEN. They would move that 777 elsewhere IF it moved, they have not announced
69 Post contains images HOONS90 : Correct, it was via SFO and ended in late 1999.
70 tpaewr : It is ironic that while "widebody rich" UA could only launch this with a plane ordered by CO.
71 gigneil : It really is not, no, since launching a route with a plane that doesn't make sense.... well, doesn't make sense. NS
72 tpaewr : I am not sure I follow. I agree UA couldn't have made it work with a 777 or 747. So they needed the right plane, correct?
73 gigneil : They did need the right plane! NS
74 CODC10 : It has everything to do with the fact that the 787 is the right airplane for the route. With the 777, it's probably a non-starter.
75 MarcoPoloWorld : That's kind of what I thought also. When I visited Denver a few years ago, I had expected a modern, albeit isolated, city. Instead I found it to be a
76 Post contains links KBJCpilot : That will soon be a thing of the past. The Regional Transportation District (RTD) is in the process of building a light-rail line to DEN that will co
77 gigneil : You clearly didn't actually go into Denver then. The spur to the airport is electrified heavy commuter rail, but the spirit of your comment is quite
78 ftrguy : United has wanted to do this route for years now, but they have never had an aircraft with the performance to do it. Even with the new 16000ft RWY, a
79 gigneil : I'm very hopeful that a year-round LHR is possible with this aircraft. I'm nearly certain it would be. NS
80 Post contains links ytib : Correct. Not quite, the stop at the Fitzsimmons campus where the Medical Center is located will require a change from heavy rail to light rail at the
81 Post contains images MarcoPoloWorld : Great to hear that, and thanks for the update! I didn't? Anyways, I wish the best for Denver, and I hope to find a re-vitalized city on a next visit.
82 Post contains images peanuts : If UA wants to fly a bunch of rednecks to NRT from DEN and it puts money in the bank, what's your issue really? Rednecks? Denver? I'm at a complete l
83 gigneil : I'm uncertain what part you visited. Since I was in high school, Denver has become an entirely new city almost. The downtown area has been fully revi
84 MAH4546 : Not at all. DFW's busiest before NRT is ICN, same with ATL. MIA has two busier, MNL and HKG. Plenty of others. I'm sure. From many cities, Manila and
85 dia77 : Can you share your numbers?
86 Post contains links BN747DFWHNL : Can't wait for March 31 and a UA 787 at DEN. Considering that many seem surprised by yesterday's UA announcment, this article from the Associated Pres
87 FlyASAGuy2005 : If UA is worried about Soutwest flying a bunch of 737s to LatAm/Caribbean then we have bigger things to worry about.
88 BeechToBus : Interesting take, I don't know if DEN to NRT necessarily to snub Houston though. If there was more announcements about routes leaving IAH or skipping
89 klwright69 : I am so so excited about this route.. Having grown up in DEN, this is really big news. I remember a lot of history regarding international service to
90 STT757 : While Tokyo is huge for Denver, and hopefully LHR will soon follow, it's not like there are many other international opportunies waiting to be realiz
91 airbazar : Indeed. How about FRA or MUC since UA and LH have a TATL JV? May be too tight but if there's an airport in Europe that can turn around a 787 quickly
92 drerx7 : I am too...Cowboys maybe, rednecks...? Doubt it as the bird will probably originate at IAH anyway... Exactly, from 5 gates. Get real UA. Probably, bu
93 mogandoCI : Officially, it's still a hub. Functionally, it's more a large focus city. In recent years, the rapid expansion of US mainland (via SFO, LAX, ORD, IAD
94 strfyr51 : Surprisingly they already announced on the Company Newsline the airplane would be a 787 proably the first one out of the gate. The Japanese are HUGE s
95 tommy767 : How is IAH-LOS even doing? I thought UA wasn't all that pleased with the results thus far.
96 peanuts : On Tuesday, United spokesman Christen David said the airline had planned Houston-Auckland flights "on the assumption that (Bush Intercontinental) wou
97 United787 : Agreed, if the public transit links to the airport defined a city then NYC and LAX would be "red neck towns" also. Yes, I know JFK and EWR have conne
98 CODC10 : Loads are improving but the 777 is probably too much airplane for the route. Yields are strong. It will be an early 787 route without question.
99 strfyr51 : what is a redneck town when talking about Flying?? is this some hidden meaning?? and Why is Houston Not considered as red neck as Denver?? I know a LO
100 RDH3E : Unless they actually WANT to move the flight, and they are using the IAH/HOU debacle as cover. They are not starting DEN-NRT instead or AKL, but I do
101 klwright69 : Good news on that front. Again, the route is only 7 months old.. Too early to say too much about it.
102 LAXintl : The route is much more than simply connecting Denver to Tokyo. As with any hub, its about connections. UA can channel folks in Albuquerque, Billings,
103 RDH3E : And since it's a JV NH can do the same on the other end. This could be highly successful.
104 airbazar : Why can't the plane just be based at DEN? Why does it have to come from IAH? IAH-AKL never seemed like a viable route to begin with. Maybe UA shares
105 drerx7 : That's not an efficient use of aircraft. It would have to have the two 787s dedicated to DEN-NRT with no way to efficiently move them around the syst
106 CODC10 : DEN-NRT and IAH-AKL don't have to be mutually exclusive, although it may work out that way. SFO-AKL seems to make a lot more sense. We'll see. The fac
107 SeeTheWorld : UA is in a JV with ANA ... NRT is certainly a hub (for ANA) ... Come on .. UA is playing politics just as Houston is ... While IAH-AKL was announced,
108 RDH3E : Last time I checked they are "based" at Everett because UA doesn't have any, so how could they be based at IAH right now when there are none? I think
109 gigneil : Ding. Neil concurs with this analysis. NS
110 Viscount724 : However the longest DEN runway is 1/3 longer than SLC (16,000 ft. vs. 12,000 ft.)
111 CODC10 : So what's to stop them from announcing a March 31 start date for IAH-AKL? It's pretty clear that the first ships will be coming on property in the la
112 drerx7 : Indications are pointing to Aug sept for arrival of 787s.
113 CODC10 : I'm hearing October-November, but August-September would be wonderful!
114 BeechToBus : "The SLC-CDG flight runs into performance issues in the summer and it's on a 767-300ER on DL metal. Considering that KDEN is about 1,000 feet higher
115 ZK-NBT : Taking Star Partner NZ on, hmm, I could more likely see NZ dropping its second LAX flight and UA operating that with some sort of revenue sharing but
116 qf002 : SFO-MEL makes even more sense.
117 RWA380 : I was thinking this exact thing reading this thread, maybe the intent all along, since NH announced SEA, would be for NH to fly SEA thus freeing up a
118 airbazar : Ah, but one of the big advantages of the 787 is to turn marginal routes into more lucrative routes. Case in point: JL's NRT-BOS. Another case in poin
119 Post contains images drerx7 : I don't know what is more sad...the fact that you actually took time to post this stupid comment...or the fact that I took time to acknowledge it. Ye
120 Post contains images RDH3E : I'll make one more "observation". Technically this DEN-NRT flight is the ONLY 787 flight loaded in the system for sale right? So couldn't one argue '
121 CODC10 : "Technically" the only 787 type-rated pilots for United are based out of Houston...
122 Post contains images gigneil : I am slapping myself for typing this. Technically the 787 and the 777 are the same type. NS
123 tommy767 : Definitely not. Power politics in IAH are at play. I'd give IAH-AKL a few months before it's either axed or moved to SFO. Then the 787 could route DE
124 gigneil : IAH is CLEARLY not an optimal connection point for the new company on South Pacific routes. It was for just CO. NS
125 United787 : Politics may be at play but lets be honest here, in the end, UA will make their decision based on what is the best route economically and for their n
126 RWA380 : I think we have all been flamed at one point or another for something that has later been brought up by another poster whose opinion is then welcomed
127 LAXintl : There was an internal Q&A news story this week. Here is portion about 787 routes. Q. Where will the 787s fly? A. United has identified some market
128 gigneil : I think it is safe to say IAH-AKL isn't a thing anymore. NS
129 CALPSAFltSkeds : DEN-NRT has the right aircraft with the 787 due to demand and range issues. IAH-LOS mauy need a smaller aircraft due to loads and the 787 fits the bi
130 gigneil : Oh I know it has nothing to do with HOU. I'm just sayin IAH-AKL pales in comparison to other routes begging to be flown. NS
131 gemuser : While I think SFO-MEL is a good idea I don't think you'll see it soon because of the way UAs Australian operations are arranged. For those not up on
132 Post contains images laca773 : There's all this talk about adding LHR-DEN. I think another great route for the 788 out of DEN would be DEN-MUC-DEN. The 788 would suit this route be
133 gemuser : Probably, but with SFO-MEL you are now tying up 4 B787s, not happening in the near future, I think. Possibly too small for UA. Gemuser
134 western727 : So, the KE 744 was the last Asian route ending in 1999, according to HOONS90. However, it wasn't nonstop. I don't notice any mention in this thread ab
135 trent1000 : When will we know the proposed schedules?
136 CALMSP : for the other destinations? There are a few out there already that have been shown to some internal personnel. Can't wait! DEN-NRT has been on there
137 CODC10 : The 787 and 777 share a common type rating but a pilot of one will not fly the other without completing a differences training course.
138 Post contains images fxramper : Was there a typo? Is DL trying this? UA is scared WN is going to cause wake turbulence at HOU and they dream up DEN NRT? Do they even have a year roun
139 Post contains images OA412 : Do you even know what you're talking about? DEN-NRT because of WN starting international routes at HOU? UA does fly a year round international flight
140 BeechToBus : Well said. Also, another interesting factoid, DEN is the busiest airport in the world outside of Asia that doesn't have non-stop service to Asia.
141 United1 : Technicaly one could argue that UA does not base aircraft out of ANY hub as they rotate through the system. See bellow...
142 fxramper : Huh? UA doesn't operate a international on their own metal out of DEN year around. That was my point in case you didn't get it the first time. blah b
143 panam330 : Since we're being picky, they actually fly to YVR, CUN, PVR and SJD year-round on their own metal - in addition to seasonal ops to YYC and MEX. Count
144 jonathanxxxx : Really? Do you mean by passengers, ASM, or aircraft movements...? I would've thought PHL, MIA, LGA, DCA etc. would be ahead... (assuming you meant pa
145 BeechToBus : 1. Hartsfield–Jackson International Airport Atlanta, Georgia, United States ATL/KATL 92,365,860 2. Beijing Capital International Airport Chaoyang,
146 BeechToBus : As far as busiest airports go, looking at passenger boardings, DEN is the busiest airport without Asia service, I'm sure there are several larger cit
147 Post contains images OA412 : You suggested that DEN-NRT is in response to WN flying international from HOU did you not? I saw exactly what you wrote. Whether it is on their own m
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