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(VERY) Hard Landing In CLT?  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1986 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 18623 times:

I'm intrigued about this report in the AvHerald site :

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44ff0f4b&opt=0

Quote :

"A Sky King Boeing 737-300, registration N307WA performing flight F3-3073 from Atlantic City,NJ to Charlotte,NC (USA), landed on Charlotte's runway 36C and taxied to the apron employing routine communication.

The FAA reported however that 5 passengers received minor injuries upon landing."

How can a landing injure five passengers and not be reported as hard, or at least abnormal ??

Can someone shed some light over this ??

Thanks !!

Rgds.

G.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 18325 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
How can a landing injure five passengers and not be reported as hard, or at least abnormal ??

It was reported as an incident to the FAA.

Over the years, I've seen passengers not strapped in fall out of their seats onto the aisle in normal landings. I've also seen passengers get hit on the head from opening overhead bins on a slightly hard landing.

I've also seen passengers unbuckle and start to stand up when they thought the plane was stopped, only to be thrown onto the floor by a subsequent movement of the plane.

The landing itself does not have to be "hard" or abnormal to injure idiots.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1986 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 18095 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
Over the years, I've seen passengers not strapped in fall out of their seats onto the aisle in normal landings. I've also seen passengers get hit on the head from opening overhead bins on a slightly hard landing.

I understand your logic, I have seen laptops and suitcases falling out of the overhead bins into the head of some unfortunate passenger a couple of times.... but five people injured in the same single event looks a little high for me, if it was a "normal" landing... I tend to think that the landing was not normal at all if the result is five people injured, but I could be wrong.

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17968 times:

Plane coming in from Atlantic City, who knows what was going on... might have just been some old ladies with carpal tunnel injuries from gripping slot machine handles or double old fashioneds...


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 17711 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 2):
but five people injured in the same single event looks a little high for me, if it was a "normal" landing

That number is high, but extremely low if it was a "hard landing". A plane has to hit very, very hard to injure properly buckled in passengers, which would result in a lot of injuries, and likely a plane unable to taxi to the terminal.

Since no crew members were among the injured, I suspect a group got unbuckled early, with opening overhead bins as a second choice.

The full story will be interesting.

But I see nothing in the Charlotte newspaper or on TV websites. We may never hear the reason for the injuries.


User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 15704 times:

Sky King? Isn't that the airline on YouTube with the crazy landing in Honduras with the ex US Airways 737?
http://youtu.be/CJoXMcehrYo
Must have a lot of bored ex navy guys flying for them. JK   



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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9400 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
Over the years, I've seen passengers not strapped in fall out of their seats onto the aisle in normal landings. I've also seen passengers get hit on the head from opening overhead bins on a slightly hard landing.
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
The landing itself does not have to be "hard" or abnormal to injure idiots.

  

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
How can a landing injure five passengers and not be reported as hard, or at least abnormal ??

Airliners are (according to ICAO Annex 8) made to withstand at least 2.5g.
A landing which demands the structure of an aircraft to absorb 2.5g isn't just abnormal or hard, it's massively crank. You will hardly ever find a pilot which had to undergo a 2.5g landing. It's not just forgetting to flare, it's pushing the aircraft to the tarmac.
In this case, a report has to be filed, the airplane needs to go through structural checking procedures which take ages and cost a lot of money, the pilots will be questioned, all this sort of stuff.
But a landing which may cause "injuries" may be as 'valid' as any other safe landing. It's the people who got injured that need to be questioned and have their brains undergo structural checking procedures - as unpleasant as it may sound.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 6):
Airliners are (according to ICAO Annex 8) made to withstand at least 2.5g.

That's just to not have any structure damage. The parts that contain passengers are good up to 9g (older aircraft) or 16g (newer). To injure a buckled passenger, as already stated, takes an impact that any sane person would call a "crash", absent extenuating circumstances.

Tom.


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 7):
That's just to not have any structure damage. The parts that contain passengers are good up to 9g (older aircraft) or 16g (newer).

Yes, of course you're right. I was just pointing out that 2.5g is quite extreme, and still, up to this amount of stress no further inspection is required. So even if it was a hard landing and some pax got injured, if it was well below 2.5g, there's nothing really to report as far as it being an "abnormal" landing.
It's quite amazing how much those aircraft can withstand when you look at wingflex videos and the likes!



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

Good thing it wasn't the Lufthansa A340 landing hard at CLT, who knows what the crazy singing lady in the spotter park would have done.

User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

I know that 307WA spent the day in CLT for an inspection for structural damage... SkyKing had to send 916SK from AEX to ACY to pick up the line for 307 for Sunday.... 307 did return to service on Monday.


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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1986 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 10):
I know that 307WA spent the day in CLT for an inspection for structural damage...

OK thanks.
Maybe they would extract the data from the DFR and see the G's at touchdown ?

Rgds.
G.



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