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(VERY) Hard Landing In CLT?  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1988 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18656 times:

I'm intrigued about this report in the AvHerald site :

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44ff0f4b&opt=0

Quote :

"A Sky King Boeing 737-300, registration N307WA performing flight F3-3073 from Atlantic City,NJ to Charlotte,NC (USA), landed on Charlotte's runway 36C and taxied to the apron employing routine communication.

The FAA reported however that 5 passengers received minor injuries upon landing."

How can a landing injure five passengers and not be reported as hard, or at least abnormal ??

Can someone shed some light over this ??

Thanks !!

Rgds.

G.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 18358 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
How can a landing injure five passengers and not be reported as hard, or at least abnormal ??

It was reported as an incident to the FAA.

Over the years, I've seen passengers not strapped in fall out of their seats onto the aisle in normal landings. I've also seen passengers get hit on the head from opening overhead bins on a slightly hard landing.

I've also seen passengers unbuckle and start to stand up when they thought the plane was stopped, only to be thrown onto the floor by a subsequent movement of the plane.

The landing itself does not have to be "hard" or abnormal to injure idiots.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1988 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18128 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
Over the years, I've seen passengers not strapped in fall out of their seats onto the aisle in normal landings. I've also seen passengers get hit on the head from opening overhead bins on a slightly hard landing.

I understand your logic, I have seen laptops and suitcases falling out of the overhead bins into the head of some unfortunate passenger a couple of times.... but five people injured in the same single event looks a little high for me, if it was a "normal" landing... I tend to think that the landing was not normal at all if the result is five people injured, but I could be wrong.

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 18001 times:

Plane coming in from Atlantic City, who knows what was going on... might have just been some old ladies with carpal tunnel injuries from gripping slot machine handles or double old fashioneds...


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 17744 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 2):
but five people injured in the same single event looks a little high for me, if it was a "normal" landing

That number is high, but extremely low if it was a "hard landing". A plane has to hit very, very hard to injure properly buckled in passengers, which would result in a lot of injuries, and likely a plane unable to taxi to the terminal.

Since no crew members were among the injured, I suspect a group got unbuckled early, with opening overhead bins as a second choice.

The full story will be interesting.

But I see nothing in the Charlotte newspaper or on TV websites. We may never hear the reason for the injuries.


User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 15737 times:

Sky King? Isn't that the airline on YouTube with the crazy landing in Honduras with the ex US Airways 737?
http://youtu.be/CJoXMcehrYo
Must have a lot of bored ex navy guys flying for them. JK   



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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 9433 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
Over the years, I've seen passengers not strapped in fall out of their seats onto the aisle in normal landings. I've also seen passengers get hit on the head from opening overhead bins on a slightly hard landing.
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
The landing itself does not have to be "hard" or abnormal to injure idiots.

  

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
How can a landing injure five passengers and not be reported as hard, or at least abnormal ??

Airliners are (according to ICAO Annex 8) made to withstand at least 2.5g.
A landing which demands the structure of an aircraft to absorb 2.5g isn't just abnormal or hard, it's massively crank. You will hardly ever find a pilot which had to undergo a 2.5g landing. It's not just forgetting to flare, it's pushing the aircraft to the tarmac.
In this case, a report has to be filed, the airplane needs to go through structural checking procedures which take ages and cost a lot of money, the pilots will be questioned, all this sort of stuff.
But a landing which may cause "injuries" may be as 'valid' as any other safe landing. It's the people who got injured that need to be questioned and have their brains undergo structural checking procedures - as unpleasant as it may sound.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 5593 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 6):
Airliners are (according to ICAO Annex 8) made to withstand at least 2.5g.

That's just to not have any structure damage. The parts that contain passengers are good up to 9g (older aircraft) or 16g (newer). To injure a buckled passenger, as already stated, takes an impact that any sane person would call a "crash", absent extenuating circumstances.

Tom.


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 7):
That's just to not have any structure damage. The parts that contain passengers are good up to 9g (older aircraft) or 16g (newer).

Yes, of course you're right. I was just pointing out that 2.5g is quite extreme, and still, up to this amount of stress no further inspection is required. So even if it was a hard landing and some pax got injured, if it was well below 2.5g, there's nothing really to report as far as it being an "abnormal" landing.
It's quite amazing how much those aircraft can withstand when you look at wingflex videos and the likes!



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

Good thing it wasn't the Lufthansa A340 landing hard at CLT, who knows what the crazy singing lady in the spotter park would have done.

User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

I know that 307WA spent the day in CLT for an inspection for structural damage... SkyKing had to send 916SK from AEX to ACY to pick up the line for 307 for Sunday.... 307 did return to service on Monday.


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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1988 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 10):
I know that 307WA spent the day in CLT for an inspection for structural damage...

OK thanks.
Maybe they would extract the data from the DFR and see the G's at touchdown ?

Rgds.
G.



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