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OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

AA DFW-EGE DEC 0>1.5 JAN 0>3
AA DFW-HDN JAN 0>1.0
AA JFK-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA JFK-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1
AA LAX-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA MIA-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA MIA-MVD AUG 0.8>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.6>1.0 NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0

JAN 0.5>1.0
AA ORD-EGE DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.1
AA ORD-HDN JAN 0>0.7

Airport opening delay
AB JFK-BER JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0.6
AB JFK-TXL JUN 0.0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.4
AB LAX-BER JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0.3
AB LAX-TXL JUN 0.0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.2
AB MIA-BER JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0.3
AB MIA-TXL JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.2

AF IAD-CDG OCT 1.6>1.5 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0

Another day another change.
*AM FAT-GDL JUN 0.7>0.5 JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.4
AM LAS-MEX SEP 1.9>3 OCT 1.8>3 NOV 1.9>3
AM LAS-MTY JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.3 OCT 0.5>0.3 NOV 0.6>0.3

DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3

*AS PDX-LIH NOV 0>0.5 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5
SNA has been losing a lot of flights lately.
*AS PDX-SNA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
AS SEA-DEN SEP 3>4
AS SEA-HNL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
AS SEA-HNL JAN 2>3
AS SEA-LIH NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.5
AS SEA-MSP JAN 1.1>2
*AS SEA-SNA SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7
AV MIA-BOG JUN 2>3

*BA LAS-LGW NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4

BW JFK-KIN JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
BW JFK-MBJ JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3 SEP 1.0>1.1
BW JFK-POS JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
BW MCO-POS JUL 0.1>0.3 AUG 0.2>0.3 SEP 0.1>0.3 OCT 0.1>0.3
*BW PHL-MBJ JUL 0.6>0.0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC

0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0

CA LAX-PEK SEP 2>1.7 OCT 1.9>1.7

CI ROR-TPE JUL 0.5>0.8 AUG 0.6>0.8

DL ATL-AEX SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL ATL-ECP SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9 NOV 8>9
DL ATL-GPT SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7 NOV 6>7 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
DL ATL-GSP SEP 10>9 OCT 10>9 NOV 10>9 JAN 10>9
DL ATL-IAH SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8
DL ATL-VPS OCT 10>9
DL BOI-MSP OCT 3>2 NOV 3>1.9 JAN 3>2
DL CVG-FLL SEP 1.6>1.1 OCT 1.5>1.0
DL CVG-LAS AUG 0.9>0.6
Another one bites the dust...
*DL CVG-PHX SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0
DL DTW-AVP OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
DL DTW-ERI SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
*DL DTW-FSD SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 0.9>0.4 DEC 0.8>0
DL DTW-MSN SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8
DL DTW-ORF OCT 5>4 NOV 6>5 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL DTW-PIT SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6
DL DTW-SFO SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5
DL FCA-MSP SEP 2>1.1
DL IND-MSP SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
DL JFK-ATL OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
DL JFK-SXM JAN 0>0.1
DL JFK-TPA JAN 1.0>2
DL LGA-AVL NOV 1.0>0.1
*DL LGA-GRR OCT 0.9>1.6 NOV 0.8>1.6 DEC 0.8>1.5 JAN 0.9>1.6
DL LGA-SRQ JAN 1.0>2
DL LGA-TPA JAN 4>5
DL LSE-MSP OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
*DL MCO-RDU SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 3>1.0
DL MIA-LGA JAN 4>5
DL MSP-PSC SEP 1.1>2.0 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2.0 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
DL SLC-ANC AUG 2>1.8

EI BOS-SNN NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.5>0.4
EI JFK-SNN NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.4>0.5

Year over year comparison below
F9 DEN-COS JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4

Year over year comparison below
FL ATL-MDW OCT 6>7
FL ATL-SAT SEP 3>4
FL BWI-ATL OCT 5>6
FL FNT-TPA AUG 0.2>0.1
FL MCO-MSP SEP 0.3>0.0

HA HNL-LIH SEP 18>19 OCT 18>19
HA KOA-OGG SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
HA LIH-HNL SEP 18>19 OCT 18>19
HA OGG-KOA SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2

KE SEA-SFO OCT 1.0>0.5

LA JFK-LIM NOV 1.5>1.6
LA MIA-LIM OCT 2>3

MW KOA-OGG JUN 10>11

More FLL cuts
NK FLL-GUA JUL 0.7>0.6
NK FLL-KIN JUN 0.9>0.5 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.6
NK FLL-NAS JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7
NK FLL-PAP JUL 1.0>0.8
NK FLL-SDQ JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.8

OZ MSP-ORD JUN 0.4>0.1

Q4 PWM-YQI JUN 1.4>0 JUL 1.4>0 AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.3>0 OCT 1.5>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.4>0 JAN 1.5>0

S3 MIA-CCS JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4

SY DCA-LAN JAN 0.2>0.9
SY LAN-CUN DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.4
SY LAN-MSP JAN 0.2>0.9
SY LAN-PUJ JAN 0>0.1

TA DFW-SAL JUL 0.6>1.0 AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0.5>1.0 OCT 0.4>1.0 NOV 0.4>1.0

DEC 0.6>1.0 JAN 0.5>1.0

*UA CLE-CVG AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.4>0 OCT 1.4>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.5>0
UA CLE-LAS OCT 3>4
UA CLE-PHX NOV 2.0>1.2
*UA CLE-SBN AUG 1.6>0 SEP 1.4>0.3 OCT 1.4>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN

1.5>0
UA DEN-ASE DEC 6>8 JAN 7>9
UA DEN-HDN JAN 3>4
UA EWR-BER JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0.7
*UA EWR-CPH AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 0.6>0
UA EWR-TXL JUN 0.0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.3
*UA EYW-RSW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

JAN 0>1.0
UA EYW-TPA JUL 7>6
UA FLL-ELH JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
UA FLL-FPO JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
UA FLL-GGT JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3 SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3 NOV 1.0>1.3

DEC 1.0>1.3 JAN 1.0>1.3
UA FLL-TCB JUN 3>2 JUL 3>1.2 AUG 3>1.1 SEP 3>1.2 OCT 3>1.1 NOV 3>1.2

DEC 3>1.3 JAN 3>1.3
UA GUM-OKA JUN 0.6>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.3 OCT 0.6>0.3

NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3
UA IAH-MTJ JAN 0>0.9
UA IAH-YEG JAN 1.9>2
*UA JAX-TPA AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3
UA LAX-ELP AUG 0>0.9
UA OGG-KOA JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0 DEC 0.2>0
UA ORD-IAD OCT 8>7
UA ORD-MTJ JAN 0>1.0
UA ORD-YYC SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
*UA PBI-FPO JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0

JAN 1.0>0
UA PBI-MHH JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3 SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3 NOV 1.0>1.3

DEC 1.0>1.3 JAN 1.0>1.3
UA SEA-ANC JAN 1.5>1.1

US CLT-CDG OCT 0.8>0.6
US PHL-SMF SEP 1.0>0.1

VS JFK-LHR NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4

VW SAT-SLW JUN 0.4>0

XL JFK-GYE JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.0>1.1

YV HNL-OGG JUN 8>7
YV OGG-HNL JUN 8>7

B6 loaded their schedule out to January. Following is a *year over year* comparison for B6 for Nov-Jan.
B6 BDL-PBI NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
B6 BDL-SJU NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.9>1.0
B6 BOS-AUA JAN 1.1>1.3
B6 BOS-CUN DEC 1.0>1.1 JAN 0.6>0.8
B6 BOS-DCA NOV 7>10 DEC 7>10 JAN 7>10
B6 BOS-DFW NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3
B6 BOS-IAD NOV 4>3 JAN 4>3
B6 BOS-JAX DEC 1.0>1.9
B6 BOS-LAX NOV 1.8>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3
B6 BOS-MBJ DEC 0.3>0.2 JAN 0.4>0.2
B6 BOS-ORD NOV 4>3
B6 BOS-PBI JAN 4>5
B6 BOS-PLS JAN 0.4>0.1
B6 BOS-RDU DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
B6 BOS-RSW DEC 5>4
B6 BOS-SDQ NOV 0.5>0.9 JAN 0.9>1.0
B6 BOS-SJU JAN 3>4
B6 BOS-STI DEC 0.4>0.9 JAN 0.3>0.6
B6 DCA-TPA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 EWR-PBI JAN 2>1.2
B6 EWR-SJU NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 FLL-BOG NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 FLL-CUN DEC 1.5>1.0
B6 FLL-DCA NOV 1.0>3 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3
B6 FLL-IAD NOV 2>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 1.8>0
B6 FLL-KIN NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2
B6 FLL-NAS NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
B6 FLL-RDU JAN 1.0>0.7
B6 FLL-SDQ DEC 1.0>0.8
B6 FLL-SJU NOV 4>5 DEC 4>6 JAN 4>6
B6 HPN-NAS NOV 0.5>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-AUA DEC 2>3 JAN 2.0>3
B6 JFK-BGI JAN 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-BOS DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7
B6 JFK-BQN NOV 1.5>2 DEC 1.7>2 JAN 1.8>2
B6 JFK-CUN DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.7>3
B6 JFK-FLL NOV 10>9 DEC 11>10
B6 JFK-KIN JAN 1.1>1.4
B6 JFK-LAS NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3
B6 JFK-LAX JAN 4>5
B6 JFK-LIR NOV 0.3>0.6 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.6>1.0
B6 JFK-MBJ NOV 1.4>2 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.1>1.9
B6 JFK-NAS NOV 3>1.9 JAN 1.4>1.3
B6 JFK-OAK JAN 0.9>0.6
B6 JFK-PUJ NOV 1.2>2 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.1>1.9
B6 JFK-SDQ NOV 4>5 DEC 6>5
B6 JFK-SFO NOV 1.9>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
B6 JFK-SJU NOV 6>7 JAN 6>7
B6 JFK-SXM JAN 1.2>1.0
B6 JFK-UVF JAN 0.5>0.7
B6 LGA-RSW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 LGA-SRQ NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 LGA-TPA NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2
B6 LGB-IAD NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0
B6 LGB-LAS NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4
B6 LGB-OAK JAN 3>4
B6 LGB-ORD NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
B6 LGB-SEA JAN 3>2
B6 LGB-SLC NOV 4>2 DEC 4>2 JAN 4>2
B6 MCO-BQN DEC 2>1.6 JAN 1.5>1.2
B6 MCO-BUF DEC 1.2>2
B6 MCO-CUN NOV 1.0>1.4
B6 MCO-DCA NOV 1.4>3 DEC 1.5>3 JAN 1.1>3
B6 MCO-IAD NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 1.9>0
B6 MCO-JFK JAN 8>9
B6 MCO-LGA NOV 2>4 DEC 2>4 JAN 2>4
B6 MCO-NAS DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2
B6 MCO-PSE DEC 1.5>1.4 JAN 1.2>1.4
B6 MCO-SDQ DEC 1.5>1.0
B6 MCO-SJU NOV 5>6 DEC 7>6
B6 PBI-SJU NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 SJU-SDQ NOV 4>5
B6 SJU-STT NOV 0>2 DEC 1.3>2
B6 SJU-STX NOV 0>1.0
B6 SJU-SXM NOV 0.5>1.0
B6 STT-SJU NOV 0>2 DEC 1.3>2
B6 STX-SJU NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0
B6 TPA-SJU DEC 2>1.8

Following is the same year over year comparison for F9.
F9 BWI-PUJ NOV 0>0.3
F9 COS-LAX NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8
F9 COS-PHX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
F9 CVG-CUN NOV 0>0.1
F9 DCA-MSN NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.4>0.2
F9 DCA-OMA JAN 1.7>0.4
F9 DEN-ABQ NOV 3>2 DEC 3>1.9 JAN 4>0.4
F9 DEN-ATL JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-AUS JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-BIL JAN 1.5>0.3
F9 DEN-BIS NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7
F9 DEN-BKG NOV 1.1>0.7 JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 DEN-BNA NOV 3>1.9 JAN 3>0.4
F9 DEN-BZN JAN 1.4>0.3
F9 DEN-CAK JAN 1.9>0.4
F9

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8977 times:

F9 DEN-COS NOV 6>4 DEC 6>4 JAN 6>0.7
F9 DEN-CUN JAN 1.3>0.3
F9 DEN-CZM NOV 0.2>0.1 DEC 0.5>0.2 JAN 0.2>0.0
F9 DEN-DAY JAN 2>0.4
F9 DEN-DCA JAN 3>0.6
F9 DEN-DFW JAN 5>0.9
F9 DEN-DRO DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>0.4
F9 DEN-DSM JAN 1.8>0.4
F9 DEN-DTW NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>0.4
F9 DEN-FLL JAN 2>0.4
F9 DEN-FSD JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-GEG JAN 1.7>0.4
F9 DEN-GRR JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-HOU NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0
F9 DEN-IAH NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>1.6
F9 DEN-ICT JAN 2>0.4
F9 DEN-IND JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-LAS JAN 6>1.1
F9 DEN-LAX JAN 6>0.9
F9 DEN-LGA NOV 1.9>3 JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-LIT JAN 0.9>0.2
F9 DEN-MCO JAN 1.5>0.4
F9 DEN-MDW JAN 4>0.6
F9 DEN-MSN NOV 1.2>0.9 JAN 0.9>0.2
F9 DEN-MSP JAN 4>0.7
F9 DEN-MSY JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-OKC NOV 3>1.9 JAN 1.9>0.4
F9 DEN-OMA JAN 4>0.6
F9 DEN-PDX NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>0.7
F9 DEN-PHF NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8
F9 DEN-PHL JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-PHX DEC 6>5 JAN 5>0.9
F9 DEN-PSP JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 DEN-PVR NOV 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.1>0.2
F9 DEN-PVU JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-RFD JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 DEN-RSW DEC 0.8>0.5 JAN 0.6>0.1
F9 DEN-SAN JAN 4>0.8
F9 DEN-SAT NOV 2>0 DEC 1.8>0 JAN 1.9>0
F9 DEN-SBA JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-SDF JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-SEA DEC 5>4 JAN 5>0.7
F9 DEN-SFO JAN 5>0.9
F9 DEN-SJD NOV 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.1>0.2
F9 DEN-SJO JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 DEN-SLC JAN 5>0.9
F9 DEN-SMF NOV 3>2 JAN 1.8>0.4
F9 DEN-SNA JAN 4>0.8
F9 DEN-STL JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-TPA DEC 1.4>0.9 JAN 1.1>0.2
F9 DEN-TUS NOV 1.4>0.5 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 2>0.2
F9 DEN-TYS JAN 0.6>0.1
F9 MCI-AUS DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0
F9 MCI-BOS NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0
F9 MCI-CUN JAN 0.4>0.1
F9 MCI-DCA NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>0.4
F9 MCI-DEN JAN 5>0.8
F9 MCI-LAS NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 0.8>0.6 JAN 0.9>0.1
F9 MCI-LGA NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0 JAN 1.9>0
F9 MCI-MSY JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 MCO-MSN JAN 0.2>0.1
F9 MCO-OMA DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 MKE-BNA NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.6>0
F9 MKE-CMH NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.6>0
F9 MKE-DCA NOV 3>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 1.9>0.2
F9 MKE-DEN NOV 6>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 4>0.7
F9 MKE-IND NOV 1.6>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.6>0
F9 MKE-LGA NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 1.9>0
F9 MKE-MCO NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.9>0.5 JAN 1.1>0.1
F9 MKE-OMA NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0
F9 MKE-PIT NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0
F9 MKE-RHI JAN 1.9>0.3
F9 ORD-MBJ NOV 0>0.1
F9 ORD-PUJ NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.1
F9 ORD-PVR NOV 0>0.1
F9 PHL-CUN NOV 0>0.1
F9 PIT-CUN NOV 0>0.3
F9 PIT-PUJ NOV 0>0.3
F9 STL-CUN NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.2
F9 STL-PUJ NOV 0>0.1

Following is the same year over year comparison for NK.
NK ATL-DFW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK AZA-DFW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK AZA-LAS NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK BOS-DFW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK BOS-ORD NOV 1.3>0.2 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
NK CRW-MYR NOV 0.1>0.0
NK DEN-DFW NOV 0>2 DEC 0>1.8 JAN 0>2
NK DEN-FLL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>1.0
NK DEN-LAS NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2
NK DEN-ORD NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-DTW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-LGA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-MCO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-PDX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-SAN NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-TLC NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-TPA NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0
NK DTW-CUN NOV 0.5>0.8
NK DTW-LGA NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
NK DTW-MCO NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
NK DTW-ORD NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
NK DTW-TPA NOV 0.8>1.6 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
NK FLL-LAS NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK FLL-MDE NOV 0.8>0.7 DEC 0.8>0.7 JAN 0.9>0.7
NK FLL-SJU NOV 2>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 3>1.0
NK FLL-ZSA JAN 0.1>0
NK LAS-LAX NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
NK LAS-MSP NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK LAS-OAK NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
NK LAS-ORD NOV 5>3 DEC 4>2 JAN 4>2
NK LAS-SAN NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
NK LBE-MCO NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK MCO-ORD NOV 0.7>1.8 DEC 1.0>1.8 JAN 1.0>2
NK MCO-SJU NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.3>0.6 JAN 1.2>1.0
NK MSP-ORD NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8951 times:

Just as a note, on the year over yer comparison for F9, they have not fully loaded their JAN schedule for 2013, so the JAN comparison is not relevant.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8774 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
XL JFK-GYE JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.0>1.1

XL JFK-GYE JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3. LAN Ecuador will operate the GYE-JFK route 9x weekly during this period.


User currently offlineazstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8745 times:

Wow. Just look at how NK is expanding while F9 continues to shrink into oblivion.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8745 times:

Quoting azstar (Reply 5):
Wow. Just look at how NK is expanding while F9 continues to shrink into oblivion.

True, quite a different direction...


User currently onlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8613 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA JFK-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1

Wow, Alitalia practically has a monopoly on NYC-Rome in the Winter

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BW PHL-MBJ

Not too surprised here


The airlines really seem to be forecasting pretty significant cuts to International capacity during the winter.


User currently onlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8543 times:

I noticed F9 is flying a 319 on the LIT-DEN route, that seems like a lot of plane for that flight


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8546 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BW JFK-KIN JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
BW JFK-MBJ JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3 SEP 1.0>1.1
BW JFK-POS JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

That is a very impressive schedule to JFK for the tiny airline from Trinidad. They also run a weekly TAB-JFK and twice or three times weekly GND-JFK, making about 9 daily departures from JFK!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*BW PHL-MBJ JUL 0.6>0.0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0

I guess they just couldn't compete against US out of PHL. BW does not command the loyalty of the travelling Jamaican public that JM managed to hold onto for so many years.

AA1818



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8399 times:

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 8):
I noticed F9 is flying a 319 on the LIT-DEN route, that seems like a lot of plane for that flight

Well, there is an interesting thing going on at F9. They have split the financials of the RJs and the Airbus. Only the Airbus now report as Frontier in their earnings. Before it was anything with the Frontier brand. My guess is that Republic will swap around to only keep things that make money on the E190s. That may seem obvious, but it isn't so obvious. Typically, RJs lose money but provide feed revenue to the mainline. That's why CPAs came into existence. If Republic only flies profitable flights it may mean that the E190s go onto routes that would be better flown with the Airbus because when you squeeze capacity in a high demand route the fare goes up...plus it is virtually impossible to make a profit carrying mostly connecting traffic. That might move E190s to routes like SLC and OMA. I haven't looked to see if that has happened. So, it is possible that F9 got stuck with LIT when RJET passed on it for E190s. It is also possible it just works with an Airbus.


User currently offlinegreenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 8199 times:

Quote:
*UA CLE-CVG AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.4>0 OCT 1.4>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.5>0

wow--does this mean there will be no non-stop service anymore? DL dropped this route a while ago as well. I guess CVG doesn't feed the CLE hub at all (probably exclusively to DTW/ATL) and there's not enough O&D on it.


User currently offlinemikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 8166 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
My guess is that Republic will swap around to only keep things that make money on the E190s.

I'm fairly certain that the idea is to make F9's financials look better for the potential sale. If the E90s aren't making money on a particular route they'll more than likely park them instead of upgauging.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 8112 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS PDX-SNA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3

There was a local newspaper article in Orange County stating this. AS is discontinuing the morning 6:45am SNA-PDX departure. That was often the first flight to push back and wait for the clock to strike 7am so they could take off. AS stated they would give up the slot. That's unfortunate. I was hoping for maybe a SNA-SJC flight, or two with their extra slots.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7396 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 8054 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SNA has been losing a lot of flights lately.
*AS PDX-SNA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3

My dad said flying into Burbank was easier than flying into SNA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*BA LAS-LGW NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4

What equipment is this one flying on?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Another one bites the dust...
*DL CVG-PHX SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0

You can just imagine how pissed off I am!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-CVG AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.4>0 OCT 1.4>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.5>0

I'm surprised that this flight existed.



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User currently onlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 8000 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 MKE-DEN NOV 6>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 4>0.7
F9 MKE-DCA NOV 3>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 1.9>0.2
F9 MKE-LGA NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 1.9>0

Well there go another 5 more flights from MKE by F9.

Based on the Nov. schedules they'll be down to 4x DEN and 1x DCA but somehow I don't see DCA sticking around at all.


User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-EGE DEC 0>1.5 JAN 0>3
AA DFW-HDN JAN 0>1.0
AA JFK-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA JFK-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1
AA LAX-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA MIA-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA MIA-MVD AUG 0.8>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.6>1.0 NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0

JAN 0.5>1.0
AA ORD-EGE DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.1
AA ORD-HDN JAN 0>0.7

WOW! MIA-EGE on a 757? ORD-EGE? DFW-EGE 3x!? AA must have found a Colorado goldmine!


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
NK LBE-MCO NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

The Pittsburgh newspapers are saying that LBE's annual traffic could surpass 200k with NK serving FLL, MYR, and now daily service to MCO. There's talk of expanding the terminal space a little because of NK's expansion. They're running out of room.

Exciting times for Arnold Palmer Regional Airport...



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 16):
WOW! MIA-EGE on a 757? ORD-EGE? DFW-EGE 3x!? AA must have found a Colorado goldmine!

They've been doing this for years in the Winter with 757s. This is nothing new. I vaguely recall that AA once did SFO, LAX and either EWR or JFK from EGE in the winter also.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
My dad said flying into Burbank was easier than flying into SNA.

In what context? If he lives in Glendale then BUR is probably easier than SNA. If he lives in Costa Mesa than SNA is easier. What is it about BUR that he found easier?


User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 7937 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 16):
WOW! MIA-EGE on a 757? ORD-EGE? DFW-EGE 3x!? AA must have found a Colorado goldmine!

That's the seasonal ski market service AA does every year to several points in the Rockies. DEC-APR. It always does well, as long as it snows!



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25058 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 7919 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SNA has been losing a lot of flights lately.

And every slot vacated seems to be happily picked up by Southwest  



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA JFK-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1

Seriously, is a once a week service even worth it?m Why not suspend for the winter instead?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL CVG-PHX SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0

Another major city spoke lost from CVG   Flew PHX-CVG-AMS on several occassions in years past. CVG is a great point of entry into the US with minimal lines...at least that was my experience.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 LGB-SLC NOV 4>2 DEC 4>2 JAN 4>2

Hope that's temporary. I've used that flight a few times, a B6 Airbus with TV versus a DL CR700....no brainer on that one. I just hope B6 can keep the flight going as I can only see one direction for fares if DL get a monopoly


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7396 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 18 hours ago) and read 7482 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 20):
Another major city spoke lost from CVG Flew PHX-CVG-AMS on several occassions in years past. CVG is a great point of entry into the US with minimal lines...at least that was my experience.

You're telling me. They cut the AMS flight a long time ago   I've contacted my dad who flies this route for business every month (also to see me) and he always says it's overbooked. I bet any amount of money US will pick this route up. Cincinnatians love this route.



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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7552 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
You're telling me. They cut the AMS flight a long time ago I've contacted my dad who flies this route for business every month (also to see me) and he always says it's overbooked. I bet any amount of money US will pick this route up. Cincinnatians love this route.

It is kind of surprising to see CVG-PHX gone. This is probably one of the most significant markets for DL to cut in awhile. That being said, its a longer route that can't be flown with anything less than an A319/A320/738 sized aircraft. There is heavy WN competition in the market from the surrounding airports. Any connecting traffic on DL can easily flow over DTW and ATL (plus even MSP and SLC).


User currently offlinegreg3322 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 LGB-ORD NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0

Ah man... that sucks.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

Aa has a revenue guarantee with AA for its ege flights from Vail resorts. They want good access from their important markets. In the 2011-2012 season I don't think delta nor united got anything Vail resorts seems very happy with AA. Delta and UA probably don't need it anyway ege has very high fares and the hub flights to ATL and den fill.

AA was getting a revenue Gurantee last winter also for ase eagle service but I can't remember who was paying it may have been the airport or city. They were afraid united would be the only carrier.


25 JaxMan19 : Is UA trying to take over the route that SW dumped? they used to fly this route for a while, then got dropped then SW dropped it now looks like there
26 Futureuscapt : As of now, it is back in the schedules starting 14Feb, so it's possible that it may return for the peak spring break/summer seasons or it could be go
27 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Perish the thought. -Dave
28 PHX787 : Here's the problem. I'm tired of driving to IND or SDF. Same with the business travelers I'm familiar with in Cincy. A lot of us don't have the time
29 PHX787 : Sorry I didn't see your reply earlier: as a business traveler. First of all when he goes from CVG it's easier to get to BUR for business in Los Angel
30 Sevensixtyseven : Around 15 nonstops PHX-SNA daily, during the summer, Around 12 daily nonstops PHX-BUR during the summer weekdays.
31 panamair : It is suspended for the winter. The service ends November 2 (eastbound; Nov 3 westbound). Since it will only operate two days in November, that's how
32 MAH4546 : Vail Resorts does revenue guarantee AA, but the flights self sustain. AA hasn't receieved a dime in ages. Vail Resorts will revenue guarantee any new
33 enilria : Well, again...I'd say there is a fundamental conflict in this situation. RJ feed is typically not profitable using standard proration. That was true
34 LHCVG : I agree in the logic of US running CVG-PHX, but OTOH, UA only seems able to run 1x daily on RJs (CR7 o/b, and ERJ inbound) to DEN, and surely they mu
35 ckfred : Also, between performance requirements and the amount of baggage (i.e., ski equipment), the 757 is the perfect airplane. The 738 would be hard presse
36 AV8AJET : 3-class B772
37 enilria : Well, as DL cuts routes it opens up more traffic for other carriers and part of the reason not many passengers would fly on UA was because DL "owned"
38 LHCVG : Absolutely! I'm just working from the premise that there isn't massive excess demand for those routes - they are probably viable, but I wouldn't expe
39 PlanesNTrains : Well then I'd expect them to drop it in due course. -Dave
40 enilria : The other thing that happened is that as DL gained market share in CVG, they jacked up the fares and people starting escaping to DAY/SDF/CMH in searc
41 mogandoCI : Even factoring in the lower desirability of IAD vs. DCA, I'm still a bit surprised this hub-to-hub only has 7-8x daily (esp considering most UA hub-t
42 Post contains images mariner : Oh. Well, mayhap. I'm rather hoping for LIT-MCO, though. mariner
43 PlanesNTrains : Well, I don't see WN on it, and with deferral of 73G's and the departure of the 717's, I doubt they'll be adding it anytime soon. That would seem lik
44 PlanesNTrains : Well, I don't see WN on it, and with deferral of 73G's and the departure of the 717's, I doubt they'll be adding it anytime soon. That would seem lik
45 LAXintl : Next formal reassignment is not till September/October'ish to be effective Jan 1, 2013. In the interim unused slots revert to the County which either
46 mariner : Well, again - mayhap. I wasn't being entirely serious - not a lot of point here - I was just playing armchair route planner. There are several Fronti
47 PHX787 : It's a CRJ. If US can offer a better product other than a regional jet, then I'm almost certain Cincy fliers would want that.
48 LHCVG : I stand corrected - so now it's a CR7 eastbound too. Last time I had looked it was CR7s out and a 145 on the return. I don't remember the 2x daily ei
49 PHX787 : Let me put in my 2 cents here based on the airports you posted: I can see in the long-run US Airways coming to CVG from here, however, it would take
50 enilria : Good info Aren't we all? I'm not so sure UA would fly SFO. I don't think there is much Asia demand from CVG. Agreed
51 LHCVG : Ditto PHX, unless as you point out with DEN and F9, WN perhaps wanted to serve that. DEN - I think it's a sure thing to go mainline on somebody (F9,
52 mariner : I hope Frontier would be very, very wary of that, even if Delta did drop the route. Not that I've noticed. mariner
53 PHX787 : Well I keep thinking how Toyota's presence in the Cincinnati area should have some sort of draw to an Asian gateway. I recall PDX's route back in the
54 LHCVG : You're right it does - my thought there is that it's part of what keeps LAX going strong. Surely the Asian connections between DTW and LAX on DL are
55 CompensateMe : Toyota's R&D facilities, which drive most of its business travel, are located in Ann Arbor and SoCal, not Cincinnati.
56 LHCVG : Correct. But, their travel from CVG is enough that it helps prop up various routes.
57 PHX787 : They have a strong presence in N. Kentucky. See also: Georgetown.
58 PlanesNTrains : But does that generate much traffic to Japan? -Dave
59 flyguy89 : Probably no more or less Asia traffic than does PIT which UA does well with from SFO. It’s not just Asia that would prop up a UA SFO route, there
60 PHX787 : You know what? I'm going to ask my dad to talk to some Cincinnati business people about that question. Don't forget also, there is a new Honda plant
61 RWA380 : So, is this adding an extra LIH flight and splitting it between SEA & PDX? Or can this be the illusive PDX-LIH flight often rumored to be coming
62 PSU.DTW.SCE : Whatever traffic going to Asia from the Ohio Valley region can easily flow over DTW and ORD. Flying to SFO to connect to Asia would be out of the way
63 enilria : I think the other factor is that most PIT passengers are in a Star Alliance program. It is the dominant alliance in PIT, so if people fly US or UA th
64 flyguy89 : Definitely true, but there are two caveats to consider: UA would have an easy, uncontested advantage by offering the only non-stop service in the mar
65 CompensateMe : I've never understood why airliners.net users assume UA's services to/from SFO are fueled by Asia. From PIT and CVG, transiting through ORD, IAD and
66 mogandoCI : True, but UA at SFO enables at lot more 1-stop CVG-SFO-Asia routing than ORD/DTW, which can easily call for 2-stop CVG-DTW/ORD-NRT-Asia
67 flyguy89 : Well yes, absolutely, but we were discussing the possibility of UA to SFO in the context of the possibility of DL dropping the route.
68 CompensateMe : How do you figure? The only Asian destination unique to UA at SFO is KIX. How much traffic do you believe exists between CVG and KIX? Transferring be
69 Post contains images SANFan : I'm a bit unclear about the options you've given here D. It is both; AS appears to be splitting a daily LIH-flight between PDX and SEA, resulting in
70 Post contains images LHCVG : Let's not get carried away now....it's a single daily RON, at least from what I see when I book flights. But I'll take it
71 enilria : UA would be strong in the local market, but weak to Asia and probably any other connecting markets. IMHO, as long as DL retains LGA/DCA/DTW/ATL/MCO/L
72 LHCVG : I think DL remaining #1 at CVG is a definite - barring some strategic decision on their part to unilaterally abandon it. But as for DCA, is it THAT b
73 PHX787 : When I flew to NRT last year, it was through DTW. I have a feeling DL will eventually bow out of CVG....People are starting to complain too much (lik
74 LHCVG : Are you referring to the DCA route or their overall service level? Because if it's overall service level, they pretty much already have. However, the
75 enilria : I can't speak to CVG directly, but as a general rule...if you have DCA/LGA (and nobody else has both) then nearly every serious business traveler is
76 LHCVG : I agree - DCA and LGA are the two big ones you need. But I'm curious about how it would play out if US decided to really go for it on the route.
77 flyguy89 : Haha, well it does go up to more than one per day in the high season! As you said, we have to take what we can get! Yes, but as it stands now, the CV
78 LHCVG : Are you sure it still does? I just made a few dummy bookings for Weds. and Fridays (figuring Friday might have it if Weds didn't) from July-Aug. and
79 HPRamper : US would of course have to sacrifice a current route to serve CVG. If they decided to serve CVG with a 1x daily flight it probably wouldn't ruffle to
80 LHCVG : They already do 3-4x a day on PSA CRJs -- clearly that isn't much of a threat when DL runs a similar schedule mostly on 2-class CR7s and CR9s. I beli
81 PHX787 : But what about a PHX-CVG route? I don't think they would have a huge issue with this route, especially since it's crowded. I'm at the gate right now
82 LHCVG : There's no question US could do it; it's how it fits within their network plans (opportunity cost of that Airbus - like how UA is balancing IAD and E
83 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'm not surprised that this flight is full and overbooked today considering it is the Friday before a long Holiday weekend. Go check to see if this f
84 PHX787 : A DL flight attendant me that CVG is charging airlines too much, but CVG people told me that DL is the one who is costing CVG all the money. Too much
85 flyguy89 : CVG is middle of the pack as far as airport fees/charges in comparison to it's peers, also the DHL hub has backfilled a lot of the lost revenue to th
86 PHX787 : So I guess the guys at CVG were right at pointing fingers at DL and DL is in the wrong, then. What could be done? What can be done now? First, a rout
87 Post contains images flyguy89 : Well it shouldn't really be blame game, it's not the airport's fault and it's not Delta's fault either, they're just doing what makes business sense.
88 LHCVG : Of course they don't. CVG can't fill said planes year around on it's merits -- as Flyguy said, let's look at year around loads and see how it looks.
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