According to the article, apart from upgraded legroom and recline, it doesn't really appear to me to be a 'new' economy class.
Does anyone have any more details on this new product, and what are your general thoughts on it?
motorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2985 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 6835 times:
As far as Y+ goes, it's hardly a compelling proposition. Guess it depends what competitor airlines are offering on the routes... what routes will it be employed on and what are the competitor airlines on those routes?
Mike909 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 52 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6034 times:
Launching this new product and labelling it 'a new Y class' seems like a big marketing scam to me.
None of LYs 744s are over 18 years old yet, oldest one being built in 1994 - meaning they do have life left in them yet, and do need a major refitting.
Having said that, I do think that in the next 5 years or so, LY will need to place an order for either 77Ws or 747-8is to possible replace them.
The 744 and 767 product is awful. Flew from BKK-TLV on an LY 763 - 10 hours of hell!
But on LYs two newer 772s, ECE and ECF, the Y product is remarkebly better, and does beat the Y product on BA (except on BAs 77Ws and refitted 772s).
If LY could stop delaying everything they do and refit their entire 777 fleet with this product, and perhaps begin applying this to the 744s then they could be more competitive.
LY have been saying that they have been planning to do these refits for years, but nothing has been done.
EL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5988 times:
I see it's getting interesting, so I'll share some pics from the press conference with you guys. The Y+ difference from regular Y is:
* 36" seat pitch instead of 32"
* 33% addition to the seat recline
* check in at separate airport counters
* private entertainment system
* laptop power unit
* amenity kit
* pillow and blanket as given in business class
-> notice what is missing: no extra luggage, no lounge access and no upgraded meals.
The new class with have 34-40 seats. It will be installed first on the 744s, till 2013 on the 772 fleet and till 2014 on the 767 fleet.
Upgraded from Y will be given free to gold and platinum frequent flyer passengers and for passengers who paid full Y class ticket (Y, S & M tickets). Tickets will be sold at $80 per direction to Europe and $150 per direction to north america.
The new Y+ class was introduced to us on board 4X-ELH, B747-400 built in 1994, added to LY fleet in 2011, with high capacity of 455 passengers, uses mainly on the TLV-BKK-TLV route:
And this is the new class seat:
El Al's CEO presenting the new class:
We were given breakfast - which is as you can see a regular Y breakfast:
For comparison - this is the legroom in regular Y seat:
Economy class on board ELH:
Business class (on the upper deck, no first on board ELH):
Seating in the Y+ seat, it doesn't feel like luxury at all. The extra leg room is nice, but the seat is narrow and feel cramped like regular Y seat. I think that it's mainly to give cheap upgrades to frequent flyers, as I do not believe anyone will pay extra $300 without extra luggage allowance and without lounge access.
"In our country, those who do not believe in miracles are irrational" - David Ben Gurion.
It's almost as though this effort is some sort of "appeasement" to avoid the cost outlay of doing what they should be doing in the first place-----------getting their IFE and Internet capability up to standard.
I am also unimpressed with the port to plug-in my lap-top----------- that I still would not have WiFi access to.
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originalblis From Israel, joined Jan 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5879 times:
Having flown in DL Y+, I don't see how this is any different (besides the price...DL was $80 JFK-TLV). That seat was a standard Y seat with a little more leg room, no special catering, no extra luggage. If you're flying JFK-TLV, your only option is outdated service (which is why I connect through Europe).
Imperial...what airlines are you flying where WiFi is a standard product on long haul flights?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23545 posts, RR: 50 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5809 times:
Looks OK to me.
Not much different than United or Delta, probably the biggest competitors El Al faces in its long-haul network.
A Y+ product does not need a new fancy seat, or other grand product enhancements. Simply provide what is the #1 wish of Y class pax - more leg room, which does - some 4 inches.
Also remember this product is FREE to its elite frequent flyer group, and those that pay the higher Y class booking classes. A nice little added benefit.
Quoting laca773 (Reply 14): How are the loads? Are they getting premium cabin passengers?
Excellent loads at LAX. 2011 averaged 87.4%.
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 16): Got stuck in Economy on "Haifa" recently. Asked for an up-grade-----and saw flight attendant write my name and seat number on a list. Never heard from her again. Later I walked forward and observed several empty seats in Business.
Unless they have catered meals to go along with the empty seats, they wont upgrade.
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Mike909 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 52 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5694 times:
EL-AL, does ELH have the same IFE system as ELE?
I noted ELE has touch screen PTVs with videos on demand, although still tiny PTVs.
At least the VOD is a tiny improvement from the other 744s. Does ELH also have this?