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A Hop To Sir Turtle Land....Jamaican Thread # 44  
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 21630 times:
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Welcome Guys,

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x57/llamoore/Caribbean%20maps/GrandCayman_map.jpg

This thread will feature our neighboring airline, Cayman Airways.



Cayman Airways is the national flag carrier of the Cayman Islands. With it's head office in Grand Cayman, it operates mainly as an international and domestic scheduled passenger carrier, with cargo services available on all routes. Its operations are based at Owen Roberts International Airport in George Town, Grand Cayman.The airline also offers a limited charter service.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/PlanespottersNet_063465.jpg


Cayman Airways was established and started operations on August 7, 1968. It was formed following the Cayman Government's purchase of 51% of Cayman Brac Airways from LACSA (the Costa Rican flag carrier) and became wholly government owned in December 1977. A few months after it was formed, Cayman Airways flew its first international route to Kingston, Jamaica. The airline acquired its first jet aircraft in 1978 and began services to Houston. In 1982 the airline acquired a Boeing 727-200 aircraft to strengthen the airline's regional and international capability, also allowing for the introduction of first class service. These jets were eventually replaced with Boeing 737-300 series, and during the 1980s Cayman Airways offered scheduled or charter service to Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, Newark, New York, Philadelphia, & St. Louis. Today Cayman Airways employs a staff of 300+ with two national and eight international gateways.

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As the national flag carrier for the Cayman Islands, Cayman Airways operates non-stop Boeing 737 jet service between Grand Cayman and the following major US cities: Miami and Tampa, Florida; Washington DC; New York, New York; and Chicago, Illinois.
Nonstop jet service is also provided between Grand Cayman and regional destinations, including: Kingston and Montego Bay, Jamaica; Havana, Cuba; and La Ceiba, Honduras.



The airline’s Cayman Airways Express service also operates Twin Otter aircrafts between Grand Cayman and the Sister Islands of Little Cayman and Cayman Brac.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/IMG_7594.jpg

Future routes:


Effective June 23, 2012 – September 2, 2012, Cayman Airways will operate weekly service from Dallas to Grand Cayman on Sunday and from Grand Cayman to Dallas on Saturday..

A twice-weekly direct flight service to Panama 
on 31 May thru Sep 3..
Operating Mon and Thur..



Current Routes:

Grand Cayman
Cayman Brac
Little Cayman
New York
Washington, D.C
Havana
Kingston
Montego Bay
La Ceiba

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http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/thumb1_banner_4f4c94a49aae31330418852CHI-to-GCM_culinary_template.jpg

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Fleet
4 B737-400
2 Twin Otters
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/Cayman_Airways_Boeing_737-300_OJEV.jpg


Other Updates:

CO will suspend EWR-MBJ in Sept..Service resumes in Nov.
CM looking to increase services to MBJ by year end..PTY-KIN will see an increase to 4 weekly from the existing two..
Sunwing Airlines will launch seasonal flights from BNA and CVG into MBJ..Also, more flights will be added from Canada..
TS and The GOJ has entered in an agreement, where will TS increase flights between Canada and Jamaica..
BW has dropped PHL-MBJ from its network..According to news reports, the JM sale is a burden on their finances.. Rumors are a further downsizing on their operations in Jamaica is on the horizon..
VS to add a 3rd weekly LGW-MBJ flight in Nov..
DE to operate a 2 weekly nonstop FRA-MBJ service for the winter..
AA to reduce its recently added 4 daily MIA-KIN service to 3 in June..
DL to re-launch daily JFK-MBJ service in Dec..
SY to operate a 4 weekly MSP-MBJ service in December..

More updates in old thread..

Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43.. (by hummingbird Mar 20 2012 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2012-05-23 05:29:03]

[Edited 2012-05-23 05:31:15]


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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 21640 times:
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Quoting jm079 (Reply 200):

Are they planning on returning to KIN from JFK too?

IMHO..They could start services in winter, but to have success on this route, they will have to coordinate some strong promotions in the Tri-State and Kingston area...


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AIR Jamaica's divest-ment team is crafting a response to the growing criticisms being levelled at the company and its owners, Caribbean Airlines (CAL).
Recent news out of Trinidad and Tobago, CAL's owner, claims that the company is heavily indebted and that its ownership of Air Jamaica is one of the major contributors.



Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...-s-response_11525101#ixzz1vh91I9wH

[Edited 2012-05-23 05:24:42]


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21590 times:

Since when has the Jamaican thread turned into a Caribbean Aviation thread. We have a separate thread for that  

In any case, I admire the approach of Cayman Airways to stimulate tourism (stimulate new routes so other airlines can take over the route as soon as it has become popular)

A388


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21578 times:

You for got to mention they had the 732 as well, caught one back in 2008 when I was on may way to FLL:




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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21526 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 195):
....MBJ will be daily eff, Dec 15...
Quoting jm079 (Reply 200):
Delta will be going daily - JFK to MBJ effective the fall of 2012.

It was announced on the weekend.

Is this a year round increase or is it just for the busy winter period ?

Quoting jm079 (Reply 200):
Are they planning on returning to KIN from JFK too?
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 1):
IMHO..They could start services in winter, but to have success on this route, they will have to coordinate some strong promotions in the Tri-State and Kingston area...

This is yet to be seen. But should they decide to, it will only mean an even more competitive KIN market.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
caught one back in 2008 when I was on may way to FLL:

Great photos. That was shortly after Norman Manley International Airport completed part of its major revamp.

Quoting A388 (Reply 2):
Since when has the Jamaican thread turned into a Caribbean Aviation thread. We have a separate thread for that

In the past we have featured many different carriers ( WS, 7I, RD, B6, BW, etc. ) that serve Jamaica, as the theme template for the thread. Don't remember KX being one of them ( maybe I just can't recall ) but it does make for an interesting theme none the less. I like the tail of their current livery.



greenheart
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21526 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Don't remember KX being one of them ( maybe I just can't recall ) but it does make for an interesting theme none the less. I like the tail of their current livery.

That is true, I would love to see their Twin Otters. I like their livery too.

A388


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21519 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Great photos. That was shortly after Norman Manley International Airport completed part of its major revamp.

Correct, was quite impressed when I saw the improvements that year. Though I do miss the viewing deck, even now, it was always the place I looked forward to going whenever I was in KIN.

[Edited 2012-05-23 07:54:06]

[Edited 2012-05-23 08:03:57]


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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21499 times:
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DOT Stats, Sept 2011..

FLL-KIN
13244-9168 69%

KIN-FLL
13244-8257 62%

FLL-MBJ
4620-2791 60%

MBJ-FLL
4466-2591 58%

JFK-KIN
10679-6683 63%

KIN-JFK
10936-7277 67%

JFK-MBJ
4620-3100 68%

MBJ-JFK
4620-3748 81%

PHL-MBJ
4466-1960 44%

MBJ-PHL
4620-2115 46%

MCO-KIN
77O-550 72%

KIN-MCO
770-528 69%

AA

DFW-MBJ
1920-1496 78%

MBJ-DFW
1920-1636 85%

MIA-KIN
14240-11212 79%

KIN-MIA
14240-10649 75%

MIA-MBJ
11314-9567 85%

MBJ-MIA
11314-9668 85%

DL

ATL-MBJ
9484-8813 93%

MBJ-ATL
9484-8682 92%

US

CLT-MBJ
9288-8281 89%

MBJ-CLT
9288-8537 92%

PHL-MBJ
1703-1386 82%

MBJ-PHL
17031629 96%

CO

EWR-MBJ
640-613 96%

MBJ-EWR
640-607 95%

IAH-MBJ
640-559

MBJ-IAH
640-556 87%

FL

ATL-MBJ
3699-3274 86%

MBJ-ATL
3699-3209 87%

BWI-MBJ
3014-2343 78%

MBJ-BWI
3014-2448 81%

MCO-MBJ
2192-1264 58%

MBJ-MCO
2192-1576 72%

B6

JFK-KIN
4500-3848 86%

KIN-JFK
4500-3980 88%

JFK-MBJ
4800-4211 88%

MBJ-JFK
4800-4110 86%

MCO-MBJ
4500-3095 69%

MBJ-MCO
4500-3438 76%

SY (BW)

FLL-MBJ
4698-2699 57%

MBJ-FLL
4536-2307 51%

PHL-MBJ
4698-1953 41%

MBJ-PHL
4860-2274 47%

NA (BW)

JFK-KIN
1235-937 76%

KIN-JFK
1434-1364 95%

NK

FLL-KIN
1451-1178 81%

KIN-FLL
1451-1192 82%

FLL-MBJ
2238-1336 60%

MBJ-FLL
2060-1405 68%

U5

ORD-MBJ
672-358 53%

MBJ-ORD
672-371 55%

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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):

Is this a year round increase or is it just for the busy winter period ?

It looks like a daily year round service...
I looked up the schedule up to Feb 2013 and it shows BW and DL @ daily and B6 at 12weekly..



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21454 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 6):
Correct, was quite impressed when I saw the improvements that year. Though I do miss the viewing deck, ever now, it was always the place I looked forward to going whenever I was in KIN.

Myself was very impressed with the transformation back then as well. I did a Trip Report on my KIN-MBJ-MCO trip in November of that year which highlighted the '' new '' NMIA. Pity there is no observation decks at both KIN and MBJ anymore. Was the place '' to be '' for taking in all the action.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 7):


BW

PHL-MBJ
4466-1960 44%

MBJ-PHL
4620-2115 46%


SY ( BW )

PHL-MBJ
4698-1953 41%

MBJ-PHL
4860-2274 47%


US

PHL-MBJ
1703-1386 82%

MBJ-PHL
17031629 96%

Need I say any more ?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 7):
It looks like a daily year round service...
I looked up the schedule up to Feb 2013 and it shows BW and DL @ daily and B6 at 12weekly..

Interesting. The heat is on in MBJ on the JFK-MBJ sector. Lets see if DL will restart JFK-KIN as well. They will use the B738s on JFK-MBJ.



greenheart
User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21320 times:

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=37398
Under the facilitation of the Jamaica Defense Force two Canadian Air Force F18s conducted some acrobatic demonstrations in KIN today. Its quite comical the level of consternation expressed by some observers!

Lucky for me though, after the demonstrations I was able to view the aircraft up-close on the ramp and take a few pics!




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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21242 times:

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 9):
Under the facilitation of the Jamaica Defense Force two Canadian Air Force F18s conducted some acrobatic demonstrations in KIN today. Its quite comical the level of consternation expressed by some observers!

Heard them when they were criss-crossing over the city. The comments made by some of the observers were indeed humorous...Like these comments.................


'' Are we under attack? Is another Tivoli incursion? A God a come? A wha dat? ''


Lol.....Here are some more details of the event...


'' They were warming up their aircraft, including a jet, for the military air display which was part of the Labour Day festivities held yesterday. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120524/lead/lead2.html


A memorable aviation day for those in Kingston.

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 9):
Lucky for me though, after the demonstrations I was able to view the aircraft up-close on the ramp and take a few pics!

Great photos of the fighter jets. It is times like these I really miss working out there.



greenheart
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 21198 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):
Need I say any more ?

I agree, talk about excess capacity........

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):
Interesting. The heat is on in MBJ on the JFK-MBJ sector. Lets see if DL will restart JFK-KIN as well. They will use the B738s on JFK-MBJ.

It will be a B737-800.....I hope this time, DL will enjoy longevity with this new frequency...

BTW...
Changes on the FLL-KIN route for the summer..

NK who previously announced daily services will now operate 4 a week eff June..Flights will operate on Thur, Sun, Tues and Wed..

B6 will remain at twice daily..

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 9):
Lucky for me though, after the demonstrations I was able to view the aircraft up-close on the ramp and take a few pics!

Cool pics..Would like to get close to fighter jet one day..



In addition to reviewing their Jamaica operations, BW has taken the decision to reduce their new London route to twice weekly...

Quote:
CAL's acting Chief Executive Officer, Robert Corbie said the airline is looking at booking trends for the London route, and based on the frequency it will determine the number of times for the week it will fly.
http://rjrnewsonline.com/business/cal-offer-two-weekly-flights-london

I am shocked as based on other posts I have seen, the impression painted was of high bookings for the summer..

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VS's new 3rd weekly service will operate on Fri to compliment the existing Wed and Sun flights..


Virgin Atlantic has announced that it will add an extra weekly flight to Montego Bay from Gatwick Airport starting November 3.

The Friday flight will complement Virgin's services on Wednesdays and Sundays.

http://rjrnewsonline.com/business/vi...d-extra-flight-montego-bay-gatwick



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21159 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 11):
In addition to reviewing their Jamaica operations, BW has taken the decision to reduce their new London route to twice weekly...
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 11):
I am shocked as based on other posts I have seen, the impression painted was of high bookings for the summer..

I distinctly recall reading where one poster stated that flights were heavily booked up until December. Apparently this is not the case, based on what the aforementioned article states.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 11):
B6 will remain at twice daily..

Seem they plan to rotate 2 A320s on at least some days for the FLL-KIN route during the summer, and from my observation their summer loads are shaping up quite nicely.



greenheart
User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21142 times:
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Just on observation: their livery looks mighty similar to British Airways' old "world tails" livery!


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 21079 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 11):
Quoting LimaMike (Reply 9):
Lucky for me though, after the demonstrations I was able to view the aircraft up-close on the ramp and take a few pics!


Cool pics..Would like to get close to fighter jet one day..

Same here my friend, I would also love to be that close to a fighter jet one day. Nice photos LimaMike   

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 21023 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 12):

The poster quoted "inside sources" I suspect they confused expressions of interest with bookings.
LGW is a prestige route and will be a disaster. Anorther Nicholas fiasco. The man thought he could be another Butch...starting routes helter skelter and then getting the govt to bail them out when they lost money.

[Edited 2012-05-25 10:12:59]

User currently offlineN312RM From Cayman Islands, joined Mar 2012, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 21015 times:
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Hummingbird,

Thank you for featuring KX in this new thread. A fitting tribute, considering that the airline has served the Jamaica market for all of its existence (44+ years) including its predecessor Cayman Brac Airways (CBA) with its lone DC3. KX is certainly near the top of the list of airlines serving the KIN market on an uninterrupted basis, perhaps exceeded only by BW. I flew on CBA to and from KIN when I attended school in my youth. Quite often, the route was KIN-MBJ-CYB-GCM and took many hours to accomplish.

Permit me to share a few omissions from your otherwise accurate history of KX and add a few more details.

The first jet aircraft operated was the venerable BAC 1-11. Two were purchased (VR-CAL and VR-CAB) and operated until 1982 when they were disposed of and replaced by 2 B727-200 (N271AF and N272AF) on lease purchase. In 1988, they were sold to AS and replaced by 3 new B737-400's (VR-CAL, VR-CAB and VR-CAA) fresh from Boeing on lease. Unfortunaltely, KX was unable to afford the high lease payments (reportedly in excess of $300k per month each) and with the economic downturn was forced and restructure and return them to the lessor. These were replaced by 3 B737-200's (VP-CAL, VP-CYB and VP-CKX) that were purchased outright. VP-CYB was a combi, and was used to carry cargo overnight MIA-GCM. Passengers hated the aircraft as the overhead bin space was very limited.

In 2003, the airline began replacing the 200's with the B737-300 and they have all been retired to the desert. The fleet now comprises 4 B737-300's and 2 DHC6-300.

A nice collection of photos. That's my brother standing on the left in the photo of VP-CKY following her delivery flight. I was Chairman of KX at the time.

Occasionaly, the Twin Otters can be seen in KIN on medevac flights, so you might just catch one there some day.


User currently offlinejmbweeboy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20956 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 11):
BTW...
Changes on the FLL-KIN route for the summer..

NK who previously announced daily services will now operate 4 a week eff June..Flights will operate on Thur, Sun, Tues and Wed..

B6 will remain at twice daily..

Apparently B6 is offering a "friends and family" 50pc discount on FLL-KIN for all travel completed by September 30th and booked by June 1st with the promo code "Jamrock". The fact they are having to offer this combined with NK's cutback surely indicated bookings are not as solid for B6 this summer as some have indicated in the previous thread.

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlinejmbweeboy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20924 times:

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 17):
Apparently B6 is offering a "friends and family" 50pc discount on FLL-KIN for all travel completed by September 30th and booked by June 1st with the promo code "Jamrock". The fact they are having to offer this combined with NK's cutback surely indicated bookings are not as solid for B6 this summer as some have indicated in the previous thread.

By the way, Jamrock is case sensitive, meaning with Caps.

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 20833 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 13):
Just on observation: their livery looks mighty similar to British Airways' old "world tails" livery!

In a way, yes it does remind me of the BA old '' world tails '' livery. But the difference here is that most if not all ( not certain if any of their aircraft still have the older livery ) of KX's tails have the same design, unlike the old BA '' world tails '' where several designs were used.


BTW I wasn't even aware that they operated the DC-8 in the past as well.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 15):

Have my doubts about that one as well.

Quoting N312RM (Reply 16):
KX is certainly near the top of the list of airlines serving the KIN market on an uninterrupted basis

   Got used to seeing their B737s at KIN growing up.


Apparently a '' disoriented '' passenger had to be restrained after AA flight 320 landed in MIA from MBJ yesterday.........................


'' MIAMI, USA (AP) A 24-year-old Canadian man is in federal custody for rushing toward the front of an American Airlines flight from Jamaica after the plane landed in Miami.
The FBI says Ryan Snider faces federal charges including interference with a flight crew. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...rained-on-flight-to-Miami-arrested


Headlines of this nature seem to be making the news quite frequently nowadays.

[Edited 2012-05-26 05:58:29]


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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 20721 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Quoting A388 (Reply 2):
Since when has the Jamaican thread turned into a Caribbean Aviation thread. We have a separate thread for that

In the past we have featured many different carriers ( WS, 7I, RD, B6, BW, etc. ) that serve Jamaica, as the theme template for the thread. Don't remember KX being one of them ( maybe I just can't recall ) but it does make for an interesting theme none the less. I like the tail of their current livery.

While they serve Jamaica it copies the Caribbean Aviation thread which represents the whole Caribbean not just Jamaica.


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 20709 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 20):
While they serve Jamaica it copies the Caribbean Aviation thread which represents the whole Caribbean not just Jamaica.

If that is your perception, then so be it. I don't view it as such. As outlined in the opening comments :


'' This thread will feature our neighboring airline, Cayman Airways. ''


It is not the first time we have featured one of the many carriers flying into Jamaica as a theme. And it definately wont be the last.



greenheart
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 20695 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 12):
Seem they plan to rotate 2 A320s on at least some days for the FLL-KIN route during the summer, and from my observation their summer loads are shaping up quite nicely.

Definitely is improving for the summer..

Quoting N312RM (Reply 16):
Hummingbird,

Thank you for featuring KX in this new thread. A fitting tribute, considering that the airline has served the Jamaica market for all of its existence (44+ years) including its predecessor Cayman Brac Airways (CBA) with its lone DC3. KX is certainly near the top of the list of airlines serving the KIN market on an uninterrupted basis, perhaps exceeded only by BW.

You are welcome..KX does deserve this tribute..

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 17):
Apparently B6 is offering a "friends and family" 50pc discount on FLL-KIN for all travel completed by September 30th and booked by June 1st with the promo code "Jamrock". The fact they are having to offer this combined with NK's cutback surely indicated bookings are not as solid for B6 this summer as some have indicated in the previous thread.
JMBWEEBOY

Not really, Its a tactic to force BW to reduce service into FLL....BW recently increased flights to 3 a day into FLL from KIN..With a recent announcement, the airline is facing financial operational risk, the move is to dilute the route with the cheap fares to sink yields..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 19):
'' MIAMI, USA (AP) A 24-year-old Canadian man is in federal custody for rushing toward the front of an American Airlines flight from Jamaica after the plane landed in Miami.
The FBI says Ryan Snider faces federal charges including interference with a flight crew. ''

A sad incident, but am happy the suspect was not Jamaican..When news first broke, the suspect was identified as a Jamaican, who tried to hijack the aircraft....

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 20):
While they serve Jamaica it copies the Caribbean Aviation thread which represents the whole Caribbean not just Jamaica.

You guys need to quit..Am not going to waste my time having petty squabbles over nonsensical issues..Since it's inception, the thread has and will continue to feature airlines that serve Jamaica...
Why are you having a problem with KX, when it the past we featured BW and Insel Air??

As mentioned by N312RM, we featured KX because;

Quoting N312RM (Reply 16):
A fitting tribute, considering that the airline has served the Jamaica market for all of its existence (44+ years) including its predecessor Cayman Brac Airways (CBA) with its lone DC3. KX is certainly near the top of the list of airlines serving the KIN market on an uninterrupted basis,



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User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 20628 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 22):
You guys need to quit..Am not going to waste my time having petty squabbles over nonsensical issues..Since it's inception, the thread has and will continue to feature airlines that serve Jamaica...

Bravo! Granted I was hoping you guys would simply IGNORE certain comments and just move on with life. If you do not respond to or make reference to some of the impish comments made then they will simply die a natural death.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months ago) and read 20621 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 22):
When news first broke, the suspect was identified as a Jamaican, who tried to hijack the aircraft....

Lol. Wasn't aware of that. There was one report that stated the passenger in question walked up towards the front of the aircraft prior to the landing. Media madness. One of the other passengers who assisted in subduing him was a trained security officer from Bermuda.

Quoting N312RM (Reply 16):
A fitting tribute, considering that the airline has served the Jamaica market for all of its existence (44 years) including its predecessor Cayman Brac Airways (CBA) with its lone DC3.

Quite a milestone indeed.



greenheart
User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 20542 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 22):
You guys need to quit..Am not going to waste my time having petty squabbles over nonsensical issues..Since it's inception, the thread has and will continue to feature airlines that serve Jamaica...
Why are you having a problem with KX, when it the past we featured BW and Insel Air??

Come on, why cant we all just get along and stop bashing each other? If their comments bother you simply ignore them like what LimaMike said:

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 23):
Bravo! Granted I was hoping you guys would simply IGNORE certain comments and just move on with life. If you do not respond to or make reference to some of the impish comments made then they will simply die a natural death.



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User currently offlinejmbweeboy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20521 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 22):
Not really, Its a tactic to force BW to reduce service into FLL....BW recently increased flights to 3 a day into FLL from KIN..With a recent announcement, the airline is facing financial operational risk, the move is to dilute the route with the cheap fares to sink yields..

With the current cost of fuel, B6 is too smart an airline to engage in "loss pricing" with its fares to potentially drive a competiiror, particularly BW out of the market. They know BW will always be there but now Spirit, well that is another story. With their current reduction to 4 frequencies weekly, this is a repeat peformance of NK in the FLL-POS market where they reduced frequencies and then ultimately "left town." If there is a blood bath this summer with FLL-KIN, Spirit is likely the victim.

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20453 times:

Just to make it clear, I replied to this Caribbean Aviation thread start because the thread started with a picture of the island itself. I don't remember seeing geographical charts of the U.S., U.K. or any of those big countries when those airlines were taken. That island photo and only that island photo mislead me and my apologies for this. As soon as AirJamaica explained it, I realized I was wrong but again I just want to clarify my initial reply.

A388


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20378 times:
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DOT Stats Oct 20111

BW

FLL-KIN
13860-10022 72%

KIN-FLL
14014-8168 58%

FLL-MBJ
4928-3433 70%

MBJ-FLL
4774-3041 64%

JFK-KIN
9394-6559 70%

KIN-JFK
9548-6565 69%

JFK-MBJ
4928-3358 68%

MBJ-JFK
4774-3561 75%

KIN-MCO
1232-999 81%

MCO-KIN
1232-961 78%

PHL-MBJ
4620-2255 49%

MBJ-PHL
4620-2120 46%

B6

JFK-KIN
4650-3782 81%

KIN-JFK
4650-3903 84%

JFK-MBJ
4650-4221 91%

MBJ-JFK
4650-4168 90%

MCO-MBJ
4550-3127 69%

MBJ-MCO
4550-3166 70%

CO

EWR-MBJ
800-755 94%

MBJ-EWR
813-709 87%

IAH-MBJ
813-710 87%

MBJ-IAH
800-713 89%

DL

ATL-MBJ
10181-9468 93%

MBJ-ATL
10181-9359 92%

US

CLT-MBJ
10183-9364 92%

MBJ-CLT
10183-8875 87%

PHL-MBJ
3528-2848 81%

MBJ-PHL
3528-2966 84%

AA

DFW-MBJ
2400-1864 78%

MBJ-DFW
2400-1990 83%

MIA-KIN
14868-10715 72%

KIN-MIA
14708-10357 70%

MIA-MBJ
11692-10034 86%

MBJ-MIA
11690-9660 83%

NK

FLL-KIN
1160-858 74%

KIN-FLL
1160-808 70%

FLL-MBJ
1470-939 64%

MBJ-FLL
1470-1042 71%

SY

FLL-MBJ
5022-3426 68%

MBJ-FLL
5022-3043 61%

PHL-MBJ
4860-2537 52%

MBJ-PHL
4860-2420 50%

U5

ORD-MBJ
840-771 92%

MBJ-ORD
840-701 83%

FL
ATL-MBJ
4110-3581 87%

MBJ-ATL
4110-3385 82%

BWI-MBJ
3836-3226 84%

MBJ-BWI
3836-3256 85%

MCO-MBJ
1918-1139 60%

MBJ-MCO
1918-1145 60%

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 26):
With the current cost of fuel, B6 is too smart an airline to engage in "loss pricing" with its fares to potentially drive a competiiror, particularly BW out of the market. They know BW will always be there but now Spirit, well that is another story. With their current reduction to 4 frequencies weekly, this is a repeat peformance of NK in the FLL-POS market where they reduced frequencies and then ultimately "left town." If there is a blood bath this summer with FLL-KIN, Spirit is likely the victim.

Believe me when I say, there is a lot more I cannot say, but mark my word, B6 is determined to win over the FLL-KIN market...



When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20333 times:

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 26):
If there is a blood bath this summer with FLL-KIN, Spirit is likely the victim.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 28):
Believe me when I say, there is a lot more I cannot say, but mark my word, B6 is determined to win over the FLL-KIN market...

I think NK will try their best to hang on to FLL-KIN as much as they possibly can. They are known for adjusting their Jamaican frequencies from time to time over the years. But it will be interesting to see how that sector play out with all three carriers. At the same time I think that B6 has a distinct advantage on the route where flexibility of equipment type is concerned. E190s double daily, with the A320s/E190s mixture during the peak periods.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 28):



DOT Stats Oct 20111


BW

JFK-KIN
9394-6559 70%

KIN-JFK
9548-6565 69%


PHL-MBJ
4620-2255 49%

MBJ-PHL
4620-2120 46%


B6

JFK-KIN
4650-3782 81%

KIN-JFK
4650-3903 84%

JFK-MBJ
4650-4221 91%

MBJ-JFK
4650-4168 90%


US

PHL-MBJ
3528-2848 81%

MBJ-PHL
3528-2966 84%


SY

PHL-MBJ
4860-2537 52%

MBJ-PHL
4860-2420 50%

Very interesting stats. B6 extremely impressive on JFK-KIN as usual. The PHL-MBJ route speaks for itself.



greenheart
User currently offlineN312RM From Cayman Islands, joined Mar 2012, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 20215 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 19):

All aircraft are now wearing the new livery. The tail is an oversized image of Cayman's Coat of Arms.

Yes, KX did operate a single DC8-53 in the early 1980's for about 2 years to supplement the B727's on the longer charter routes. It was an ex-UAL machine.You can find a few photos on this site.

Other aircraft they have operated over the years include:

DC9-15 - Wet leased from Air Florida for about 6 months, pending arrival of the BAC1-11 in 1977
HS 748 - Used on inter-island service and MIA-CYB
BN Trislander - Inter-island service
DC6 - Cargo service GCM-MIA and GCM-KIN


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20075 times:

l

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 26):

Why are you so sure that BW will always be there?

KIN has turned out to be a financial disaster which is not sustainable. Jca will not put $ into BW as it defeats the goal of ridding them of JM, the othert money pit. T&T cannot indefinitely pour $ to support the KIN base. Not politically feasible.

Also with tiny market share, 2x/week, NK isnt a source for passengers for B6. BW is and so they will be targetted. If FLL doesnt work for BW and if YYZ is problematic due to incursions by Westjet and expansion by AC, its hard to justify the KIN base. Aside from NAS its now cut to the bone.

CAL is stuck with LGW and to offset those losses they will have to become lean and mean elsewhere.


User currently offlinejmbweeboy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20040 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 31):
Why are you so sure that BW will always be there?

Nothing other than gut feeling from watching airlines enter and leave markets for the past 46 years!

In South Florida where I live, B6 is not considered the "2nd coming" like they migtht be currently in Jamaica. Bottom line, the diaspora here will ultimately stick with CAL, however much they mourn the loss of the old JM.

JmBweeboiy


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20073 times:

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 26):
Bottom line, the diaspora here will ultimately stick with CAL, however much they mourn the loss of the old JM.

Not too certain about the '' stick '' part. It goes way beyond people simply missing or mourning JM. Mr. Lalor doesn't feel that way based on what he said not too long ago. There are those in the diaspora who are price sensitive, and will happily choose B6 if their fares are more competitive ( which often times it is, even with the fee for the second checked luggage ). When B6 inaugurated JFK-KIN, their loads were not super spectacular like their previous JFK-MBJ start up. However that has now changed, and it is quite clear Jamaicans at home and abroad have embraced B6's services. I am sure the carrier is quite cognisant of that, and no doubt they will try to replicate the same sucess on their FLL-KIN route. At the end of the day the KIN market is very competitive and is getting even more so, with the entry of WS etc. Time will tell though.



greenheart
User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20005 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 33):
Mr. Lalor doesn't feel that way based on what he said not too long ago.

Speaking about Mr. Lalor, he is of the opinion that JM's debt is not to be blamed for BW's current financial dilemma........


'' The divestment team that organised the Jamaican Governments sale in 2010 rejected recent reports that the airline was an albatross around the neck of its Trinidadian rescuer. ''


'' CAL did not get any assets or liabilities of Air Jamaica when it started operating the national airline in May 2010, said the head of the divestment team, Dennis Lalor. Nor were Air Jamaica operations merged with CALs even when it began operating under the Caribbean Airlines brand a year later. ''


'' The Government of Jamaica assumed all liabilities of Air J, providing CAL a clean slate as it relates to Air Js operations - Lalor said, adding that this was done to ensure that CAL would have no disadvantages when it got the Air Jamaica brand.

'' In addition, the Government of Jamaica provided CAL with cash of over US$17 million, which represented tickets prepaid for by customers not yet flown. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...r-Jamaica-is-NOT-to-blame_11549239


This should clear the air a bit better for those who thought otherwise.



greenheart
User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19976 times:

How are you able to access these statistics?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 22):


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19959 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 35):
How are you able to access these statistics?

If you are referring to the airline load factors hummingbird posts, that comes from the U.S. DoT or BTS if I'm not mistaken. This data is available to the public but it can only be generated up to about six months from the current date.

Hummingbird can explain this in more detail I think.

A388


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19958 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 29):
How are you able to access these statistics?

The stats come from the the USDOT's office Research and Innovative Technology Admin (RITA) and its sub-office BTS which post all data related to public transportation, land sea and air, where I use stats for airport planning and future expansion. The stats are compiled on a quarterly basis, however International stats are posted 2 quarters thereafter. The new stats come out every 3rd week of the month, November 2011 stats are available.
Here is the site for aviation:
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables....riers&DB_Short_Name=Air%20Carriers



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19940 times:

Thanks for the link but exactly where can you have the breakdown by carrier as listed above the site is a bit confusing.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 31):


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19948 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 32):
Thanks for the link but exactly where can you have the breakdown by carrier as listed above the site is a bit confusing.

Lol I know, It takes a bit to get used to, however its by destination, first go to
T-100 International Segment (All Carriers) at the bottom you will see download tab click and the page will be this
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_Sele...D=261&DB_Short_Name=Air%20Carriers

to make life easier choose, seat, passengers, carrier(in the carrier section), origin, destination.
In the top section filler geography select the country, and month your looking for.



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 19893 times:

Thanks

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 33):


User currently offlineN312RM From Cayman Islands, joined Mar 2012, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 19891 times:
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Excellent site caribbean 484 and very useful, thanks for sharing.

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19866 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 28):

JMs debts arent the cause of CALs problems, however losses on the KIN base since the acquisition of these routes is at the heart of CALs problems. Simply put, if CAL cant make these routes work QUICKLY they will have to shut down the base.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 43, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19863 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 42):
JMs debts arent the cause of CALs problems, however losses on the KIN base since the acquisition of these routes is at the heart of CALs problems. Simply put, if CAL cant make these routes work QUICKLY they will have to shut down the base.

If the KIN base will be shut down, it will mean that the flights to/from SXM will also terminate seeing that the routing also continues to KIN? I think SXM wasn't in danger of being axed?

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19825 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 37):

SXM is served out of the POS base. KIN to POS flights are clearly needed and will continue, even if capacity is reduced from the current 11x.

Whats in doubt is Jca to North Am if the flights lose money. BW doesnt have time to "make it work". With the LON route likely to be a cash drain they definitely have to reduce losses elsewhere. They got into the deal with LAn for 2 767s and I am not sure that they can back out now. So they will have at least one severely under used 767 8 months of the year when JFK/YYZ cant absorb these planes. Also its tough for them to push back BA with that carrier's 6X vs BWs 2X on what is a heavy business route. Historically POS LON is really a one carrier route and this low frequency guarantees that BA stays.

BW didnt think thru its LON route even though many analysts warned tham of the pit falls. Now that they will not do BGI LON, after much fanfare in BGI, that reduces their credibility if and when they do, given BWs marginal position in that island (its a KIN/POS/GEO carrier).


B6 is making sure their life will become even more difficult. A good % of the VFR market is as integrated to FL NY travel as they are to travel to KIN/MBJ from both points and B6 is a much loved carrier on this route. One gets the impression thatB6 is very sensitive to the Jamaican traveler as they seem to use Jcan cultural symbols in their marketing more so than BW does. B6, seeing blood, will set out to reduce yields on the KIN routes knowing that this will force BW to be the secondary carrier on the route (and maybe exit MBJ). Can BW make $ being a secondary carrier to Jca, given overheads associated with that operation will be a question that will need to be answered.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 45, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19811 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 44):
SXM is served out of the POS base

Don't know if you know it that those flights continue to KIN which is why the route is doing well what I've understood...

A388


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 19787 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 36):
JMs debts arent the cause of CALs problems, however losses on the KIN base since the acquisition of these routes is at the heart of CALs problems. Simply put, if CAL cant make these routes work QUICKLY they will have to shut down the base.

All this was predicted from day one, and will not be a surprise to many if it does happen.

Quoting A388 (Reply 37):
If the KIN base will be shut down, it will mean that the flights to/from SXM will also terminate seeing that the routing also continues to KIN? I think SXM wasn't in danger of being axed?
Quoting guyanam (Reply 38):
SXM is served out of the POS base. KIN to POS flights are clearly needed and will continue, even if capacity is reduced from the current 11x.

From what I understand, the KIN to EC operations historically has performed very well for them, so it is highly unlikely that they would discontinue those services all together if they eventually decide to close shop in KIN.

Quoting A388 (Reply 39):
Don't know if you know it that those flights continue to KIN which is why the route is doing well what I've understood...

True. But usually that flight originate/terminate in POS over the years so they could still successfully operate it from their home base.



greenheart
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 19795 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 39):

I do know that this summer BW will have more service to SXM out of KIN and POS than they will have to ANU. This is a traditional BWIA route, its lucrative and there is no competition.

Very different from KIN/MBJ YYZ/JFK/FLL where competition is intense and the competitors are ruthless. Apparently they are still looking at other routes to drop and as they have stripped out much of the overheads out of KIN I dont see how much further they can go to reduce losses. The KIN base has way lower overhead expenses than it did under JM so should be profitable. Clearly it isnt based on the US$38MM losses reported.

I see no evidence that Jcans are warming to them either. It is merely another option and will be selected based on fares, baggage policies, etc. B6 has definitely committed heavily to the Jcan VFR market.

The "love/hate" relationship that Jcans had with AirJ hasnt transferred over. By this I mean continuing to use AJ even as their service standards dropped out of the notion that it was "fi wi ting" (our thing). BW isnt lucky like that.


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19608 times:

Well, 90 more Jamaicans have been made redundant at BW, including some who were working in POS................


'' AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE in Jamaica has been dealt a severe blow as Caribbean Airlines Limited (CAL) carried out another round of redundancies, sending home 90 Jamaican employees.

The latest group to be issued with redundancy letters by the Trinidad-based company includes 30 aircraft mechanics, human resource officers, customer relations and finance personnel. The staff received their letters of termination on Thursday afternoon. ''


'' The source said everything had been moved to Trinidad and even the Jamaicans who were there working in Port-of-Spain have been sent back home. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120602/news/news4.html


The ever evolving saga continues...............



greenheart
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 19534 times:
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Fly Jamaica has updated their website...I heard they may start on or about June 14, 2012..

http://fly-jamaica.com/

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 29):
I think NK will try their best to hang on to FLL-KIN as much as they possibly can. They are known for adjusting their Jamaican frequencies from time to time over the years. But it will be interesting to see how that sector play out with all three carriers.

From what I have seen from my visits to FLL,NK is here to stay..They have a cost structure, that allows them to remain competitive in the market...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 29):
Very interesting stats. B6 extremely impressive on JFK-KIN as usual. The PHL-MBJ route speaks for itself.

A definite money making route for B6....

Quoting N312RM (Reply 30):
All aircraft are now wearing the new livery. The tail is an oversized image of Cayman's Coat of Arms.

Are there plans to modernize the fleet?...I assume the B737s have at least 5 more years of flying before it becomes scrap..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 31):
Aside from NAS its now cut to the bone.

With the added competition, I assume some frequencies will be cut from FLL and JFK....

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 32):
In South Florida where I live, B6 is not considered the "2nd coming" like they migtht be currently in Jamaica. Bottom line, the diaspora here will ultimately stick with CAL, however much they mourn the loss of the old JM.

I beg to differ..Earlier this week, while in uniform, I accompanied my mother to the check in counter for BW034..The check-in agent inquired about our loads, then she mentioned, the flights to Jamaica are not full as before and average loads are below the 40s....I assume, you are referring to the minority of the society who are of the belief, JM is in existence....

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 33):
When B6 inaugurated JFK-KIN, their loads were not super spectacular like their previous JFK-MBJ start up. However that has now changed, and it is quite clear Jamaicans at home and abroad have embraced B6's services. I am sure the carrier is quite cognisant of that, and no doubt they will try to replicate the same sucess on their FLL-KIN route. At the end of the day the KIN market is very competitive and is getting even more so, with the entry of WS etc. Time will tell though.

I anticipate WS to take a greater slice of the huge migrant and overseas work community..Recently, alot of Jamaicans are now participating in programmes that have extended to areas as Calgary..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 34):
'' The Government of Jamaica assumed all liabilities of Air J, providing CAL a clean slate as it relates to Air Js operations - Lalor said, adding that this was done to ensure that CAL would have no disadvantages when it got the Air Jamaica brand.

Buju was right when he said " A Yardman get the blame", lol..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 42):
Simply put, if CAL cant make these routes work QUICKLY they will have to shut down the base.

Soon..I am only hoping for FlyJam to succeed in their ventures...

Quoting guyanam (Reply 44):
One gets the impression thatB6 is very sensitive to the Jamaican traveler as they seem to use Jcan cultural symbols in their marketing more so than BW does. B6, seeing blood, will set out to reduce yields on the KIN routes knowing that this will force BW to be the secondary carrier on the route (and maybe exit MBJ). Can BW make $ being a secondary carrier to Jca, given overheads associated with that operation will be a question that will need to be answered.
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 46):
All this was predicted from day one, and will not be a surprise to many if it does happen.

That is a part of their long term plan, to dominate the KIN-US market...

Quoting A388 (Reply 45):
Don't know if you know it that those flights continue to KIN which is why the route is doing well what I've understood...
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 46):
From what I understand, the KIN to EC operations historically has performed very well for them, so it is highly unlikely that they would discontinue those services all together if they eventually decide to close shop in KIN.

With little or no competition on their EC-KIN sector, these routes are safe..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 42):
Well, 90 more Jamaicans have been made redundant at BW, including some who were working in POS................

This writing is clear..



When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19323 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
PTY-KIN will see an increase to 4 weekly from the existing two..

When will this increase become effective ? I am assuming it will be 4x weekly E-190 service.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 43):
That is a part of their long term plan, to dominate the KIN-US market...

Many people seem to have responded to their JAMROCK promotion between FLL and KIN. One of my co-worker was speaking about it recently.


Thanks to a Jamaican doc, the life of an ill teenager was saved on a DL flight from ATL to MBJ last week Friday........


'' When Dr Pamela Charles Pryce and her family boarded the Delta Airlines flight for a Jamaican vacation last Friday, little did she know she would be saving the life of a fellow traveller ..... for the fourth time.

That was also the most interesting and serious encounter for Charles Pryce in her 13-year medical career. Just about 40 minutes before landing at Sangster International Airport in Montego Bay, St James, there was a request for a doctor. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120605/lead/lead21.html


A happy ending to this story. Kudos to her, the other nurses who were on board, and the DL crew.



greenheart
User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19191 times:

Seem JALPA and BW are at odds again.......................


'' The Jamaica Airline Pilots Association (JALPA) has accused Caribbean Airlines (CAL) of blocking its attempt to represent employees of the airline who are based in Jamaica.

JALPA, which is affiliated with the Bustamante Industrial Trade Union (BITU) says it was advised by the vice president for human resources at CAL Charmaine Heslop-DaCosta that its claim for bargaining rights for pilots would not be entertained.

JALPA says Caribbean Airlines has indicated that it is in discussions with a trade union registered in Trinidad and Tobago and its employees in Jamaica will fall under this union. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=37657


Will it ever end ? Lol.



greenheart
User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19057 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):
Seem JALPA and BW are at odds again.......................

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):
Will it ever end ? Lol.

What a waste of energy. Someone's candle will soon burn out, and eventually there'll be a realization that going over the never-ending BW /JM fiasco is simply pointless. Hopefully somebody will press the fast-forward button and we'll get to the ending credits soon.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18902 times:

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 46):
What a waste of energy. Someone's candle will soon burn out, and eventually there'll be a realization that going over the never-ending BW /JM fiasco is simply pointless. Hopefully somebody will press the fast-forward button and we'll get to the ending credits soon.

Quite a comical situation if you ask me. Throughout all of this B6 and other major carriers to the island continue to make inroads. Dying for this '' saga '' to end.


Opposition tourism spokesman Ed Bartlett is concerned about the recent wave of new taxes and the effect it may have on visitor arrivals to the island...................


'' Ed Bartlett said this will only serve to hurt vacationers who already pay high taxes to travel.

He pointed out that at present travellers to Jamaica pay about US$50 in government taxes and fees.

The opposition spokesman said when the airline ticket and the hotel room taxes are added to this figure, a visitor will be paying about US$100 in taxes. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=37700


Myself is concerned about this as well. Travellers from the UK for example already have APD to contend with, now they will be greeted with even more locally implemented arrival/hotel taxes. We just have to wait and see what will happen statistic wise after the next winter travel season. But naturally travellers will be scouting around to see where they can get the best deal for their travel dollar where airline travel and hotel accommodation is concerned.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18856 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 44):
When will this increase become effective ? I am assuming it will be 4x weekly E-190 service.

Yes, it will be a 4 weekly service..

CM418 PTY1204 – 1348KIN E90 x146
CM417 KIN1805 – 2000PTY E90 x146

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 44):
A happy ending to this story. Kudos to her, the other nurses who were on board, and the DL crew.

I agree..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):
Will it ever end ? Lol.
Quoting LimaMike (Reply 46):
What a waste of energy. Someone's candle will soon burn out, and eventually there'll be a realization that going over the never-ending BW /JM fiasco is simply pointless. Hopefully somebody will press the fast-forward button and we'll get to the ending credits soon.
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 53):
Quite a comical situation if you ask me. Throughout all of this B6 and other major carriers to the island continue to make inroads. Dying for this '' saga '' to end.

Am done beating this dead horse..Time to focus on the future http://fly-jamaica.com/

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 53):

Myself is concerned about this as well. Travellers from the UK for example already have APD to contend with, now they will be greeted with even more locally implemented arrival/hotel taxes. We just have to wait and see what will happen statistic wise after the next winter travel season. But naturally travellers will be scouting around to see where they can get the best deal for their travel dollar where airline travel and hotel accommodation is concerned.

Bad move on their part...Despite the demand for the island, The GOJ must ensure the country remains competitive in the industry...



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 18815 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 48):
CM418 PTY 1204 KIN 2013 1348 KIN E90 x146
CM417 KIN 1805 2000 PTY E90 x146

Thinking about visiting that country one day. Never been there before.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 48):
Am done beating this dead horse..

Should have been buried long ago.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 48):
Bad move on their part...Despite the demand for the island, The GOJ must ensure the country remains competitive in the industry...

They could never be serious about maintaining/increasing visitor arrivals from both traditional and non traditional markets with the recently announced arrival/hotel taxes that would inevitably impact those wishing to vacation here in a negative manner. They must be mindful that there are nearby locations such as the Dominican Republic that have thousands of all inclusive hotel rooms as well that are competitively priced. It is indeed cause for concern, as up to a few days ago it was reported that some investors are having second thoughts re doing business here, as it would be a very challenging environment financially for them to operate in with these new tax announcements. They seem to have made some adjustments since their initial announcement by lowering some of the charges................


'' Effective September 1, the Government will be charging an accommodation tax per occupied hotel room. Phillips said US$1 will be charged for accommodations with fewer than 51 rooms. He also said US$2 is to be charged at accommodations with 51-100 rooms, while US$4 is to be charged at accommodations with 101 or more rooms.

Initially, the Government had proposed accommodation tax of up to US$12 per room for properties with 201 or more rooms. It was also proposed to impose a tax of US$2 for properties with fewer than 51 rooms. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120607/lead/lead2.html


Seem there is no intention to adjust the US$ 20 fee that passengers arriving into the island will have to pay.



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Reply 56, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18767 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 49):
They must be mindful that there are nearby locations such as the Dominican Republic that have thousands of all inclusive hotel rooms as well that are competitively priced. It is indeed cause for concern, as up to a few days ago it was reported that some investors are having second thoughts re doing business here, as it would be a very challenging environment financially for them to operate in with these new tax announcements. They seem to have made some adjustments since their initial announcement by lowering some of the charges................

Am hoping this does not affect the industry as a fallout will have serious effects on the economy..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 49):
Seem there is no intention to adjust the US$ 20 fee that passengers arriving into the island will have to pay.

Yet we have the nerve to criticize the British over their ADP...

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JAMAICA AIR Shuttle Limited has announced it will add a third weekly frequency between Kingston and Port-au-Prince, Haiti, effective July 1.

The airline will operate flights between the two capitals on Mondays, Tuesdays and Fridays. There are also plans for a fourth flight per week, should the growth trend continue.

Deryck Dwyer, the airline's marketing manager, said the addition of capacity is in response to an increase in demand on the route. He attributed this to four factors:

First, he noted that the existence of non-stop flights is an important catalyst for travel for business and cultural reasons.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120608/lead/lead9.html

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AIRLIFT INTO Jamaica, visa facilitation and the emerging markets are among the crucial issues that will take centre stage at the combined Caribbean Tourism Summit and Outlook Seminar in Montego Bay next weekend.

The summit will also focus on issues facing regional tourism and will examine the link between the region's aviation policy and its competitiveness.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120608/lead/lead10.html

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The integrated Canadian tour company Sunwing is the new owner of the former Breezes Trelawny hotel.

The company also continues to run the former Breezes Rio Bueno hotel, also known as Braco Resorts, under lease from owner, the National Investment Fund.

On Wednesday, SuperClubs' vice-president of marketing and environmental affairs Zein Issa Nakash, indicated that the agreement for sale had been concluded and executed with the tour company.

A release from the companies which has been posted on global travel sites said that the purchaser of the property is Blue Diamond Hotels & Resorts, a division of Sunwing Travel Group.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120608/business/business2.html



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18717 times:

That seems like a long turn around for an E190 well for those of you here on the Jamaican thread it is all about confirmed Redjet is over here is the link http://www.nationnews.com/index.php/...es/view/looks-like-end-for-redjet/

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 48):

CM418 PTY1204 – 1348KIN E90 x146
CM417 KIN1805 – 2000PTY E90 x146


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Reply 58, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18722 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 51):
That seems like a long turn around for an E190 well for those of you here on the Jamaican thread it is all about confirmed Redjet is over here is the link http://www.nationnews.com/index.php/...es/view/looks-like-end-for-redjet/

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 48):

CM418 PTY1204 – 1348KIN E90 x146
CM417 KIN1805 – 2000PTY E90 x146

Knowing Copa Airlines, that long turn around time probably has to do with getting better connecting possibilities in PTY.

A388


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18555 times:
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Quoting baje427 (Reply 51):
That seems like a long turn around for an E190 well for those of you here on the Jamaican thread it is all about confirmed Redjet is over here is the link http://www.nationnews.com/index.php/...es/view/looks-like-end-for-redjet/

Its sad to see Redjet in this current situation..Had they been allowed to operate " freely" in the region, it would have been a different story...

Due to Govt intervention, Redjet has found itself in the same boat as BW,JM and LI...

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For the summer, UA will operate 8 weekly flights from IAH..A double service operates on SAT..

Yesterday DL operated 4 B752s into MBJ from ATL..

I was inquiring about Sunwings flights from BNA and CVG into MBJ...The aircraft is not based in the US..There is an inbound aircraft from YUL or YYZ to MBJ, which later operate flights to BNA or CVG..For e.g, today's aircraft that operates YUL-MBJ, will continue to BNA and return to MBJ..The aircraft will then continue to YUL, later tonight..


The JCAA has updated their charter permits list for 2011..

Interestingly, the following airlines are shown to have permits into MBJ:

Aerogal Airlines ..Quito to MBJ.

Satena Airlines... Medellin/Bogota to MBJ.

Tame Airlines..Guyaquil and Quito to MBJ..

http://www.jcaa.gov.jm/ER/ECON%20REG...0January%20-%20December%202011.pdf



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18443 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 50):
JAMAICA AIR Shuttle Limited has announced it will add a third weekly frequency between Kingston and Port-au-Prince, Haiti, effective July 1.

Many will like the fact that they are able to bypass MIA to get to/from PAP.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 50):
Yet we have the nerve to criticize the British over their ADP...

Lol....Some will argue that it is a bit hypocritical.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 51):
well for those of you here on the Jamaican thread it is all about confirmed Redjet is over here is the link http://www.nationnews.com/index.php/...djet/
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 53):
Its sad to see Redjet in this current situation..Had they been allowed to operate " freely" in the region, it would have been a different story...

Due to Govt intervention, Redjet has found itself in the same boat as BW,JM and LI...

One thing though, RD did create an impact the short time they were around.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 53):
For the summer, UA will operate 8 weekly flights from IAH..A double service operates on SAT..

Yesterday DL operated 4 B752s into MBJ from ATL..

Great frequencies from both UA and DL into MBJ.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 53):
I was inquiring about Sunwings flights from BNA and CVG into MBJ...The aircraft is not based in the US..There is an inbound aircraft from YUL or YYZ to MBJ, which later operate flights to BNA or CVG..For e.g, today's aircraft that operates YUL-MBJ, will continue to BNA and return to MBJ..The aircraft will then continue to YUL, later tonight..

Guess they rotate it in that manner to maximise aircraft utilization.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 53):
The JCAA has updated their charter permits list for 2011..

I notice they depict EB for the LGW-MBJ-LGW sector. Could have sworn that carrier operated MAD-MBJ-MAD instead ( ? )



greenheart
User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 18276 times:

Both the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston and the Donald Sangster International Airport in Montego Bay will be seeking to diversify their offerings to the public ( both travellers and non travellers alike ) even more...........


'' The Airports Authority of Jamaica (AAJ) has plans to introduce cultural entertainment in a bid to increase the volume of non-travelling visitors to the island's points of departure and arrival.

One most notable feature of this initiative is that the Norman Manley International Airport (NMIA) is currently considering the opportunity to provide a venue for mass entertainment.

According to Alfred McDonald, senior director of commercial development and planning at AAJ, both the Sangster International Airport (SIA) and the NMIA have included cultural entertainment in their respective airport operations over time. ''


'' NMIA is currently considering the opportunity to provide a venue for mass entertainment (such as stage events/concerts) on airport lands as well as a fine-dining area, which provide a view of arriving and departing aircraft. These initiatives are in their embryonic stages '' - McDonald told The Gleaner.


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120612/ent/ent1.html


I think this is a great idea. Many benefits including job creation, additional revenue generation etc. Personally I like the thought of having an area ( dining or otherwise ) where aviation enthusiasts like myself can get to view the '' action '' . Hopefully the area will offer great spotting opportunities.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18137 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 54):
Many will like the fact that they are able to bypass MIA to get to/from PAP.

Kudos to them for providing air service in this niche market...When the route was first announced, the fares were hovering in the USD800s...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 54):
One thing though, RD did create an impact the short time they were around.

I agree..They are somewhat responsible for the increase in air travel between KIN and BGI and POS..One of their MD83 was spotted in FLL on Saturday...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 54):
Great frequencies from both UA and DL into MBJ.

I agree....
US has also increase capacity on their PHL-MBJ route..They are now using a B752 and A321 mix on their double daily service..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 54):
I notice they depict EB for the LGW-MBJ-LGW sector. Could have sworn that carrier operated MAD-MBJ-MAD instead ( ? )

Perhaps, they got the contract to transport cruise ship pax from LGW...
I remember seeing their B742 in MBJ....

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 55):
'' The Airports Authority of Jamaica (AAJ) has plans to introduce cultural entertainment in a bid to increase the volume of non-travelling visitors to the island's points of departure and arrival.

Its about time..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 55):
Hopefully the area will offer great spotting opportunities.

I believe "Dead End" has the potential to become the new Maho Beach......



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 63, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 18011 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 55):
on airport lands as well as a fine-dining area, which provide a view of arriving and departing aircraft.

Now that's something that will attract me as an aircraft spotter!!! 

A388


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17896 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 56):
US has also increase capacity on their PHL-MBJ route..They are now using a B752 and A321 mix on their double daily service..

This move was expected, as by July they will be the only carrier on that route. Still very curious to see which other carrier the JTB is trying to court to operate that sector as well, though I really don't see where the necessity exists for such an endeavour.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 62):
I believe "Dead End" has the potential to become the new Maho Beach......
Quoting A388 (Reply 63):
Now that's something that will attract me as an aircraft spotter!!!

Been waiting patiently for both MBJ and KIN to develop a suitable area as such. Very much looking forward to it. Hopefully it will happen sooner than later.


Both BA and B6 are expressing serious concerns re the recently announced arrival tax by the Government. Principals of both carriers share the same opinion that it will ultimately impact Jamaica negatively.


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=37900


It would be very sad if they decide to reduce/terminate flights to the island because of these new taxes.


Departing passengers will soon find it a bit easier to leave the island with the planned removal of outgoing immigration.............


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=37889


A very welcome move in my opinion. A very time consuming process sometimes from past experience.

[Edited 2012-06-15 18:45:46]


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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17682 times:

How is the LGW KIN route now that VS has gone and BA only serves it 3X (the same frequency as it had when JM flew to LHR daily)?

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 66, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17654 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 64):
Both BA and B6 are expressing serious concerns re the recently announced arrival tax by the Government. Principals of both carriers share the same opinion that it will ultimately impact Jamaica negatively.


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=37900


It would be very sad if they decide to reduce/terminate flights to the island because of these new taxes.

What amount was this arrival tax before the 20 percent increase?


Regarding the viewing areas at MBJ and KIN, I also really hope this will come, especially taking into account the position of the sun for aircraft spotters like us  

A388


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 17621 times:
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DOT Stats Nov 2011.

BW

FLL-KIN
13706-10532 77%

KIN-FLL
13860-9822 71%

JFK-KIN
9240-7686 83%

KIN-JFK
9240-7455 80%

KIN-MCO
1386-1045 75%

MCO-KIN
1386-891 64%

JFK-MBJ
4620-3425 74%

MBJ-JFK
4620-3897 84%

FLL-MBJ
4620-3679 79%

MBJ-FLL
4620-3186 69%

PHL-MBJ
4466-2920 65%

MBJ-PHL
4466-2504 56%

AA

DFW-MBJ
1920-1468 76%

MBJ-DFW
1760-1574 89%

KIN-MIA
14400-10245 71%

MIA-KIN
14400-10765 75%

MBJ-MIA
13542-10564 78%

MIA-MBJ
13544-11447 85%

ORD-MBJ
1853-1363 74%

MBJ-ORD
1853-1295 70%

B6

BOS-MBJ
600-518 86%

MBJ-BOS
600-465 78%

JFK-KIN
4500-3660 81%

KIN-JFK
4500-3735 83%

JFK-MBJ
6150-5542 90%

MBJ-JFK
6300-5407 86%

MCO-MBJ
3150-2352 75%

MBJ-MCO
3150-2349 75%

CO

EWR-MBJ
2368-2235 94%

MBJ-EWR
2381-2088 88%

IAH-MBJ
1133-843 74%

MBJ-IAH
1120-975 87%

DL

ATL-MBJ
9882-8808 89%

MBJ-ATL
9884-8729 88%

DTW-MBJ
616-566 92%

MBJ-DTW
616-562 91%

FL

ATL-MBJ
4110-3544 86%

MBJ-ATL
4110-3338 81%

BWI-MBJ
4932-4058 82%

MBJ-BWI
4932-4201 85%

MCO-MBJ
3562-2584 73%

MBJ-MCO
3562-2305 65%

US

CLT-MBJ
13063-11273 86%

MBJ-CLT
13187-11114 84%

PHL-MBJ
4898-4145 85%

MBJ-PHL
4898-4165 85%

NK

FLL-KIN
1971-1491 76%

KIN-FLL
1971-1551 79%

FLL-MBJ
2472-1832 74%

MBJ-FLL
2472-1730 70%

U5

ORD-MBJ
840-724 86%

MBJ-ORD
840-690 82%


NA(BW)

JFK-KIN
870-811 93%

KIN-JFK
870-499 57%


Quoting airjamaica (Reply 58):
This move was expected, as by July they will be the only carrier on that route. Still very curious to see which other carrier the JTB is trying to court to operate that sector as well, though I really don't see where the necessity exists for such an endeavour.

I have a feeling this route will see a widebody by Dec..



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17542 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 59):
How is the LGW KIN route now that VS has gone and BA only serves it 3X (the same frequency as it had when JM flew to LHR daily)?

I assume that BA is content with their 3x weekly LGW-KIN service in light of VS's recent termination of the route, and the non existence of JM on it as well. Their major challenges would be the controversial APD tax, oil prices, state of the economy in their region ( and globally to a larger extent ), the recently announced 20% arrival tax for incoming passengers to the island and visa requirements for locals wishing to visit the UK which was not previously a pre-requisite for quite sometime. An entry clearance was previously required.


Quoting A388 (Reply 60):
What amount was this arrival tax before the 20 percent increase?

Not certain if there was always an '' arrival tax '' in place prior to the recent announcement. I know there is a departure tax system in place which is calculated as a part of the ticket cost. The impression I get reading several articles on the subject is that this '' arrival tax '' is new, but I could be mistaken. Will make some inquiries to verify this. One article I read recently stated that this tax, coupled with the hotel room tax will now place Jamaica as one of the most taxed vacation destination in the region, which does not bode well for the '' goose that lays the golden egg '' so to speak.

Quoting A388 (Reply 60):
Regarding the viewing areas at MBJ and KIN, I also really hope this will come, especially taking into account the position of the sun for aircraft spotters like us

Keeping my fingers crossed   

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 61):
DOT Stats Nov 2011.

B6 and FL co-existing on MCO-MBJ I see. FL stats on this route was quite questionable at one point. But they have subsequently shown marked improvement on it. As for B6, not bad considering they were rotating an E-190 on it at the time.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 61):
I have a feeling this route will see a widebody by Dec..

I wouldn't be surprised.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17470 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 62):

About 7 years ago JM ran 8X/week LHR to Jamaica (on Sundays both MBJ and KIN got nonstops). BA did 3X into KIN.

I assume that JMs traffic was a 50:50 KIN/MBJ split. So that means that KIN has 1,000 fewer seats weekly than it did before.

Has the APD so adversely impacted UK Jamaica traffic that 1,000 fewer seats doesnt create a huge bottle neck, especially into KIN.

VS has completely replaced JM into MBJ. KIN hasnt seen a replacement. I would think that MBJ with VFR/oriented traffic (I dont think Jamaica attracts high end leisure travel out of the UK as the upscale folks seem to prefer BGI, and ANU) would suffer more than KIN which is more business oriented, in addition to its VFR. Yet it has maintained its airlift while KIN has lost a big portion.


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Reply 70, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17423 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 62):
I assume that BA is content with their 3x weekly LGW-KIN service in light of VS's recent termination of the route, and the non existence of JM on it as well. Their major challenges would be the controversial APD tax, oil prices, state of the economy in their region ( and globally to a larger extent ), the recently announced 20% arrival tax for incoming passengers to the island and visa requirements for locals wishing to visit the UK which was not previously a pre-requisite for quite sometime. An entry clearance was previously required.

Based on observations, its safe to say, BA will be the lone carrier on this route..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 62):
B6 and FL co-existing on MCO-MBJ I see. FL stats on this route was quite questionable at one point. But they have subsequently shown marked improvement on it. As for B6, not bad considering they were rotating an E-190 on it at the time.

Both flights are strong feed for pax originating in the Northeast and Midwest...Am also happy to see FL maintaining the year round service...

Quoting guyanam (Reply 63):
About 7 years ago JM ran 8X/week LHR to Jamaica (on Sundays both MBJ and KIN got nonstops). BA did 3X into KIN.

I will stand to be corrected, but at one point they maintained a 9 weekly service..

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Looks like Air Berlin has pulled the plug on MBJ...There are no flights bookable for the winter season..



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17364 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 69):
About 7 years ago JM ran 8X/week LHR to Jamaica (on Sundays both MBJ and KIN got nonstops).
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 70):
I will stand to be corrected, but at one point they maintained a 9 weekly service..

The frequency I recall from LHR was 9x weekly, with the additional 2x weekly flights from MAN. The LHR frequency wasn't always 9x per week though. It went through several adjustments to gradually reach that figure.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 69):
I would think that MBJ with VFR/oriented traffic (I dont think Jamaica attracts high end leisure travel out of the UK as the upscale folks seem to prefer BGI, and ANU) would suffer more than KIN which is more business oriented, in addition to its VFR. Yet it has maintained its airlift while KIN has lost a big portion.

Part of the reason why MBJ has maintained their frequency for the most part is the mixture of the traffic that enter that gateway when compared with the likes of KIN. The high end leisure component may not be at the levels of those that fly to BGI, ANU, UVF etc., but MBJ does command a decent amount of general leisure traffic from that region and it combines with the VFR. As for KIN, I am certain if the demand warranted more frequencies, BA would have increased their rotations long ago.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 70):
Looks like Air Berlin has pulled the plug on MBJ...There are no flights bookable for the winter season..

Quite a blow if this is indeed the case. I recall pre merger/take over, LTU was a regular on DUS-MBJ for years. Used to enjoy watching their A330 in action down there. But it is just an overall indication as to how times have changed in the industry. They will be missed.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (2 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 17143 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 71):

BA is quite willing to force passengers into KIN via MIA and they already codeshares with AA. Many who use that option might prefer direct service. By restricting capacity it drives up fares and reduces risk of empty seats.


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17052 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 60):
What amount was this arrival tax before the 20 percent increase?

Spoke with an industry personnel regarding this '' arrival tax " and she confirmed that it is indeed a new one.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 66):
BA is quite willing to force passengers into KIN via MIA and they already codeshares with AA. Many who use that option might prefer direct service. By restricting capacity it drives up fares and reduces risk of empty seats.

Well that is also true. Like any other carrier operating in this challenging industry, they will try to maximize yields/aircraft utilization as much as they possibly can. Even if it means deliberately restricting frequencies on certain routes and sending those metals to others that command a higher premium.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 16955 times:

Reports indicate that AA remains the number one carrier to Jamaica, while B6 continues its upward trajectory where market share gain is concerned, particularly on the JFK route.........


'' But JetBlue already took a huge chunk of the New York destination from the former national carrier. It carried nine passengers for every 11 Caribbean carried within the market segment last year.

Even if it surpasses Caribbean, JetBlue's expansion thrust may not get it past American. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...ost-traffic--but-JetBlue-inches-up


No surprises in the aforementioned report really. AA's strong MIA hub and long history where service to the island is concerned is noteworthy. Also B6 has been quite aggressive in Jamaica since the first day they inaugurated flights here, with their very competitive fares and excellent service. Let us see how their recent expansion from FLL into KIN will play out.

[Edited 2012-06-27 04:54:25]


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 75, posted (2 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16928 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 73):
Spoke with an industry personnel regarding this '' arrival tax " and she confirmed that it is indeed a new one.

Thanks airjamaica. The mention that the arrival tax will be increased by 20% is misleading so I'm still confused as to what increase is exactly meant with that 20%.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (2 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 16906 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 68):

Imagine not that long ago JM had 40-50% market share handily beating every one including AA.


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (2 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16879 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 75):
Thanks airjamaica. The mention that the arrival tax will be increased by 20% is misleading so I'm still confused as to what increase is exactly meant with that 20%.

Yes the title of the original newspaper article is very misleading as the person I spoke with said previously there was no such tax imposed. What previously existed was a departure tax that formed part of the over all ticket price.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 76):
Imagine not that long ago JM had 40-50% market share handily beating every one including AA.

Times have certainly changed. At one point JM peaked at 51%.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (2 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16883 times:
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I glimpsed a carrier operating a MDE-MBJ service over this weekend..


Kingston will hit the headlines as all eyes will be on the National Trials which takes place this weekend..The event is being dubbed a preview to London 2012.

Am curious as to why FlyJam B757 was ferried to CVQQ this weekend?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N524AT

Another major agreement between Jamaica and Canada..

Canada's Minister of National Defence Peter MacKay who is on a two day visit to Jamaica has signed a memorandum of understanding for the establishment of an Operational Support Hub on the island.

Mr. MacKay signed the agreement yesterday with National Security Minister Peter Bunting.

Under the MOU, Canada now has pre-authorized arrangements with the Government to access existing airport, seaport, and other logistics support facilities in Jamaica.

http://rjrnewsonline.com/news/local/...a-sign-mou-operational-support-hub

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 68):
Reports indicate that AA remains the number one carrier to Jamaica, while B6 continues its upward trajectory where market share gain is concerned, particularly on the JFK route.........


'' But JetBlue already took a huge chunk of the New York destination from the former national carrier. It carried nine passengers for every 11 Caribbean carried within the market segment last year.

B6 has deployed their A320 on the first flight between KIN and FLL..Their "special fares" has certainly caught the attention of the travelling public.
This week they also started their 2nd daily JFK-KIN service..The service will not operate as a red eye service..

Tomorrow, they will announce SJU as their 6th focus city to operate flights to South and Central America..



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16844 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 78):
Am curious as to why FlyJam B757 was ferried to CVQQ this weekend?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N524AT

Suspected that they wouldn't be going anywhere for a while where their inaugural is concerned.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 78):
Another major agreement between Jamaica and Canada..

Great development. Speaking of Canada, I wonder how YYZ-KIN is faring off for WS so far ? Way too early to get a true picture but over time we will see.


Quoting hummingbird (Reply 78):
B6 has deployed their A320 on the first flight between KIN and FLL..Their "special fares" has certainly caught the attention of the travelling public.
This week they also started their 2nd daily JFK-KIN service..The service will not operate as a red eye service..

Tomorrow, they will announce SJU as their 6th focus city to operate flights to South and Central America..

Good to see that the A320 has been deployed on the morning flight from FLL. I notice that they have adjusted their time a bit for an earlier arrival/departure. That second JFK flight leave late evening. Curious to see what other destinations they will serve from SJU.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 80, posted (2 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16790 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 73):
Curious to see what other destinations they will serve from SJU.

Yes, I'm curious too. Do you have a source/link to B6 starting flights from SJU to South/Central America?

A388


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16645 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 65):
Quite a blow if this is indeed the case. I recall pre merger/take over, LTU was a regular on DUS-MBJ for years. Used to enjoy watching their A330 in action down there. But it is just an overall indication as to how times have changed in the industry. They will be missed.

LTU started serving MBJ with their weekly Mon service..Over the years, the route has seen their L1011, MD11s, B767 and A330s.

LTU over the years has contributed for the growth in VFR traffic between DUS and MBJ..:D      
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 73):
Suspected that they wouldn't be going anywhere for a while where their inaugural is concerned.

I got an update..The aircraft is being returned to KIN..I hope they get to start soon..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 73):
I wonder how YYZ-KIN is faring off for WS so far ? Way too early to get a true picture but over time we will see.

With the anticipated growth in traffic between YYZ and KIN due to the recent agreement between Canada and GOJ, I forsee WS being able to take a share of that market...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 73):
Good to see that the A320 has been deployed on the morning flight from FLL. I notice that they have adjusted their time a bit for an earlier arrival/departure. That second JFK flight leave late evening.

I cant wait for them to add the third FLL-KIN service next year...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 73):
Curious to see what other destinations they will serve from SJU.

BWI-SJU is on the cards...I expect them to take over some of Eagle routes within the region...



So after all the grand announcement, looks like the ATRs from BW will not be visiting Jamaican soil...



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 16541 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 74):
Do you have a source/link to B6 starting flights from SJU to South/Central America?

Don't have one. Read in the past that they had plans for expansion in the region from SJU.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 75):
LTU started serving MBJ with their weekly Mon service..Over the years, the route has seen their L1011, MD11s, B767 and A330s.

When I used to work in ATC they were using the B767s.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 75):
LTU over the years has contributed for the growth in VFR traffic between DUS and MBJ.

Wonder if DE or some other carrier will replace them in the future ? Time will tell.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 75):
With the anticipated growth in traffic between YYZ and KIN due to the recent agreement between Canada and GOJ, I forsee WS being able to take a share of that market...

It is good that their metals are operating out of both MBJ and KIN. More options.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 75):
I cant wait for them to add the third FLL-KIN service next year...

Looking out for a FLL-MBJ service sometime in the future as well. The E-190 is the perfect fit for that route I think.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 75):
BWI-SJU is on the cards...I expect them to take over some of Eagle routes within the region...

I expect to see them in PAP one day as well.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 75):
So after all the grand announcement, looks like the ATRs from BW will not be visiting Jamaican soil...

Dollars not stretching far enough to acquire all of them that were previously ordered.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16536 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 76):
Wonder if DE or some other carrier will replace them in the future ? Time will tell.

I would love to see a 3-4 weekly service, but it will most likely occur once things stabilise in Europe...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 76):
It is good that their metals are operating out of both MBJ and KIN. More options.
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 76):
Dollars not stretching far enough to acquire all of them that were previously ordered.

I expect WS to be around for a while..Its only a matter of time before BW close or downsize their loss making Jamaican operations..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 76):
Looking out for a FLL-MBJ service sometime in the future as well. The E-190 is the perfect fit for that route I think.

A tricky market to fill..I would say, the best bet is to try to combine MBJ with one of their 3 dailies to KIN in the near future..


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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 71):
Yes the title of the original newspaper article is very misleading as the person I spoke with said previously there was no such tax imposed. What previously existed was a departure tax that formed part of the over all ticket price.

More info on the new taxes..

Jamaica will hit visitors with two new taxes this summer.

All international arriving visitors will be required to pay a new $20 arrival tax, effective Aug. 1.

This is in addition to a $20 arrival tax that took effect last October and a departure tax that is 1800 Jamaican dollars (about $20), meaning that visitors arriving by air will soon pay $60 just to visit Jamaica.

The new tax will be rolled into the price of the airline ticket, just like the two existing air taxes.

A new accommodations tax, effective Sept. 1, is set at $4 per room, per night for hotels with more than 100 guestrooms.

The tax is $2 per room, per night for hotels with 51 to 100 rooms, and $1 for hotels with up to 50 rooms.
http://www.travelweekly.com/Caribbea...n-new-air-and-hotel-taxes/?a=carib

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New nonstop flights and increased seasonal service from the U.S. to Jamaica total 60,000 more seats this summer than last, according to Jamaica.

A selection of summer flights includes Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica twice-weekly flights, available through mid-December, from Orlando to Kingston; a seasonal daily flight on American from Miami to Kingston through Aug. 20 and weekend service from Chicago to Montego Bay through Aug. 18; and twice-weekly flights from Chicago to Montego Bay through Aug. 16 via Apple Vacations.

Funjet Vacations added new twice-weekly flights from Dallas to Montego Bay through Aug. 10 and from St. Louis to Montego Bay twice a week through Aug. 4.

Continental's new flight from Houston to Montego Bay operates Saturdays through July. The carrier resumed its seasonal service from Newark to MoBay with five weekly flights in July and daily in August.

JetBlue's two new weekly flights from Fort Lauderdale to Kingston run through mid-December; the carrier resumed daily service from JFK to Kingston through Sept. 9 and to Montego Bay through Sept. 10.

Sunwing Airlines' weekly charters from Nashville to Montego Bay run through July 15 and from Cincinnati to Montego Bay through Oct. 27.

US Airways' Charlotte-Montego Bay Saturday service is offered through Aug. 25; its second daily flight from Philadelphia operates through Sept. 4 and the Washington-Montego Bay weekly flight runs through July.

United's new weekly service from Washington to Montego Bay operates through July.

http://www.travelweekly.com/Caribbea...apacity-is-up-this-summer/?a=carib



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 16500 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 77):
A tricky market to fill..I would say, the best bet is to try to combine MBJ with one of their 3 dailies to KIN in the near future..

Probably it would be safer for them to try this avenue if they do ever consider FLL-MBJ services in the future.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 77):
More info on the new taxes..

This '' new '' tax subject is a bit confusing as this article contradicts what I was told last week. Here they are saying that this usd 20 tax is in addition to one that was effected last October..........

Quote:

'' All international arriving visitors will be required to pay a new $20 arrival tax, effective Aug. 1.

This is in addition to a $20 arrival tax that took effect last October and a departure tax that is 1800 Jamaican dollars (about $20), meaning that visitors arriving by air will soon pay $60 just to visit Jamaica. ''


And on the other hand subsequent reports say it is a brand new tax.      

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 77):
New nonstop flights and increased seasonal service from the U.S. to Jamaica total 60,000 more seats this summer than last, according to Jamaica.

Good to see the increases in both scheduled and seasonal services to the island, but I am quite concerned about the additional cost it will put on passengers wishing to visit/vacation here. Ironically they themselves are venting about the UK's imposition of the APD tax and how it will impact visitor arrivals to the region.....   Time will tell how much of an effect this '' new/additional '' arrival tax will have on the stats, but should there be a decrease as a result of its imposition, they will have only themselves to blame.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 85, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16486 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 77):
Continental's new flight from Houston to Montego Bay operates Saturdays through July. The carrier resumed its seasonal service from Newark to MoBay with five weekly flights in July and daily in August.

CO (UA) only has 1Xweekly IAH-MBJ?



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Reply 86, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16393 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 78):
Probably it would be safer for them to try this avenue if they do ever consider FLL-MBJ services in the future.

I agree..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 78):
And on the other hand subsequent reports say it is a brand new tax.      

Lets hope the industry holds up with this new tax..I find it funny, these were the same people who opposed the previous increase to the TEF

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 78):
Good to see the increases in both scheduled and seasonal services to the island,

Also, CM will now operate MBJ-PTY on Sat and Wed.Previous days were Sun and Tues..

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 79):
CO (UA) only has 1Xweekly IAH-MBJ?

They operate 8 weekly..Two flights operate on Sat.


Congrats to our qualifiers at last night's National Trials..I was watching the event online when I glimpsed a flyover by FlyJam...I was informed the announcer mentioned them as our new National Airline..As we say, "out with the old, in with the new"..

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This is a good read..

Quote:
"Air Jamaica has been operating in Philadelphia for more than 30 years. At the time there was no competition," said a veteran pilot.

At the time, he said, the airline flew daily from Philadelphia to Montego Bay then to Kingston.

"We had a daily service which was well supported by ethnic groups as well as numerous tourists.

"However, since Caribbean Airlines took over operations, a major US carrier called Cactus emerged on the horizon," said the pilot. "The team from Cactus came in, studied (Air Jamaica), and tried new strategies but to no avail."

He charged that the same treatment was not extended to Caribbean Airlines when it assumed responsibility by way of succession. "Now they have decided that it can't work as Philadelphia was not making any money."

Cactus Airlines reportedly moved in when Caribbean Airlines reduced flights into Philadelphia to three times a week. The competition swiftly moved to fill the gap by reducing its fares to the bare minimum on the (three) days that Caribbean Airlines operated.

"You pay premium on the days that we do not operate. People gravitated to the competition. Having squandered one of the best opportunities given to them, they say they will have to leave the route alone because it is losing money," he complained.

Online checks by The Gleaner revealed that Cactus charged US$357 round fare compared to US$700 for Caribbean Airlines.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120629/lead/lead9.html



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16366 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 86):
Lets hope the industry holds up with this new tax..

I notice in the previous article they gave the impression that B6's FLL-KIN service is seasonal. I thought this was a year round schedule............


Quote:

'' JetBlue's two new weekly flights from Fort Lauderdale to Kingston run through mid-December ''

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 86):
This is a good read..

Well '' Cactus '' is the official call sign of US. The reporter in the article refer to them as '' Cactus Airlines ''. Lol.
US started PHL-MBJ long before BW's take over of JM contrary to what the article implies. I wasn't aware that BW had reduced the PHL-MBJ frequency to 3x weekly. Thought it was 4x. The ticket price variation between the two carriers is quite notable. At that rate people would inevitably gravitate towards US if they really wanted to save money. The scenario reminds me of DL's entry on ATL-MBJ when the former JM was flying the route.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16129 times:

As was previously reported, plans are in place to have passengers move through both international airports more expeditiously, particularly at MBJ during peak travel seasons. This applies to both departing and arriving passengers..............


'' The Passport, Immigration and Citizenship Agency (PICA) should be in a position to test the system that will replace passenger contact with outgoing immigration as of this September.

And by the start of the winter tourist season, passengers departing the Sangster International Airport in Montego Bay, will no longer need to stop at immigration after they have checked in for their flights.

The island's immigration officers have gained access to the Advanced Passenger Information System (APIS), which is used by airlines worldwide. Through this system, they are able to access the airport's Common Use Terminal Equipment. ''


http://www.hospitalityjamaica.com/news1.html


Many are looking forward to these changes.


Seem FlyJamaica is hoping to start operations in August...........................


'' Fly Jamaica Airways, a new airline set to begin operations in Jamaica in August, is taking the owners and partners close to a year to officially take to the skies.

Fly Jamaica Airways is a partnership between chief executive officer (CEO), Guyana-born Paul Ronald Reece and three Jamaican shareholders including Chief Operating Officer (COO) Captain Lloyd Tai and manager of in-flight services, Christine Steele. Reece is also the owner of Wings Aviation Inc, based in Guyana. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120705/news/news4.html


We will just have to wait and see if they will actually get off the ground next month. Lloyed Tai was a captain with the former JM.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16043 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 81):
I notice in the previous article they gave the impression that B6's FLL-KIN service is seasonal. I thought this was a year round schedule............

Year round service..In Sept, they revert to 2 daily E190s.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 82):
As was previously reported, plans are in place to have passengers move through both international airports more expeditiously, particularly at MBJ during peak travel seasons. This applies to both departing and arriving passengers..............

Its about time...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 82):
Fly Jamaica Airways is a partnership between chief executive officer (CEO), Guyana-born Paul Ronald Reece and three Jamaican shareholders including Chief Operating Officer (COO) Captain Lloyd Tai and manager of in-flight services, Christine Steele. Reece is also the owner of Wings Aviation Inc, based in Guyana. ''

I heard they delays associated with their starting, is the rigorous compliance checks from JCAA..But rest assured, based on the comments I have seen, FlyJAm will be around for a long time...


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The Tourism Mins has announced, there are adequate seats for the summer and winter..Key points were:

Return of DL's JFK-MBJ service..

Plans to have charters from Germany, France and Russia..

In talks with CM to increase capacity and frequency on the PTY-MBJ route..

Will work with tour operators from Canada to increase seats, since Jazz Air will no longer operate this coming winter..

http://www.jis.gov.jm/news/leads/31118

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Visa restrictions to be eased for emerging countries..

“We are working with the Ministry of National Security to remove the barriers to entry for visitors from the new and emerging markets, which we are now entering, such as visa requirements. We have already started this process with the revision of visa requirements for persons from Latin American countries,” he said.

Dr. McNeill said the Government has already secured a one year extension on the visa waivers for persons from Colombia, Venezuela and Panama.

He pointed out that revision of visa requirements for countries in Eastern Europe such as Russia, Hungary, Poland, Ukraine, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia, have also been requested. “The fact is Jamaica has to revisit its approach to travel facilitation,” he said.

http://www.jis.gov.jm/news/leads/31114



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15742 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 83):
In Sept, they revert to 2 daily E190s.

A logical move on their part.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 83):
Return of DL's JFK-MBJ service..

I note they will have a daily frequency on the JFK-MBJ route come winter. Was that frequency always the case during that period or was it usually a 1x weekly ?


The subject of the implications of the new taxes where the islands tourism industry is concerned again takes the spotlight.............


'' Bartlett noted that the industry already has Departure tax US$20, TEF (Tourism Enhancement Fund) Tax US$20, Airport taxes US$15, Travel Ticket US$20, and Hotel US$4. "


'' Passenger Duty APD of 92 pounds ( sterling ), we are around US$480 in taxes. That can buy them a week in Cancun, Punta Cana or Cuba, he explained. "


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...of-uncertainty---Bartlett_11945032


Real cause for concern I think. Certainly they cant expect visitors to flock to Jamaica in droves if they will have to dig extremely deep into their pockets for a few days on the island, especially when there are locations nearby that are more competitively priced. Lets see how it will play out.


There is a wax replica of lightning '' Bolt '' at LHR's terminal 5........................


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=38501


MBJ also has a replica as well but that one is not made of wax.



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Reply 91, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15580 times:

Seem Exec Direct have plans to expand its cargo offerings to/from Jamaica.....................



'' AIR cargo carrier Exec Direct Aviation (EDA) is awaiting approval to expand into the transportation of dangerous goods (DG).

EDA, which claims to be Jamaica's first all-cargo airline, has applied with the Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority to ship DGs, which include materials that are radioactive, explosive or flammable. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...roval-for-dangerous-cargo_11942816


Good to see a local air cargo operation holding its own despite competition from other carriers and the general challenging environment in which they operate.



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Reply 92, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15339 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 84):
I note they will have a daily frequency on the JFK-MBJ route come winter. Was that frequency always the case during that period or was it usually a 1x weekly ?

During the height of their service, which goes two years back, they would operate daily service....Last winter, they reverted to a 1weekly service..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 84):
There is a wax replica of lightning '' Bolt '' at LHR's terminal 5........................

Am sure, many will agree, but I think this new administration is not using Bolt's image to their advantage...

I was expecting a fond farewell and media fanfare for our athletes who will represent us at the London Games

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 85):
Good to see a local air cargo operation holding its own despite competition from other carriers and the general challenging environment in which they operate.

Good move...



This story had me laughing.....I wonder what other skeletons are waiting in the closet..

The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has instructed national carrier Caribbean Airlines (CAL) to drop its Air Jamaica (AJ) brand from its aircraft.
The Sunday Express understands that use of the AJ brand does not comply with CAL’s airline operator certificate.
Despite the acquisition of AJ routes, CAL is not licensed to operate two brands but has been doing so for over a year.
For CAL to use the AJ brand, it will have to register a new airline in the name of Air Jamaica.
CAL, the Sunday Express understands, was alerted about this disparity by CAA a few months ago as it sought to improve its systems ahead of a planned audit by the international Federal Aviation Authority (FAA).

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...a-brand-from-planes-162491756.html



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Reply 93, posted (2 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15119 times:
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Looks like AA is dropping fares in an effort to maintain market share..I had no idea, they worked closely with Loshusan Supermarket which is located in the affluent Barbican area..


The sign at the entrance to the Loshusan Supermarket in Barbican says: 'Great Low Fare USD$69' (Taxes not included special/conditions apply). This advertised fare is actually one way, so the total cost that includes US$135 in taxes and fees is US$273, or approximately J$24297, when calculated at the day's rate of exchange.

Other low one-way fares displayed are: New York for US$124 (approximately J$34,087); Orlando for US$124 (approximately J$34,087) and Los Angeles for US$224 (approximately J$39,872).

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2...ium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

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Caribbean Airlines is to pay approximately US$1.5 million in outstanding airport fees and taxes to two Jamaican entities by July 31.

The Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority is owed US$1 million while the Norman Manley International Airport is owed US$500,000.

Trinidad’s Minister of Transport, Devant Maharaj and the Minister of Trade, Industry and Investment, Vasant Bharath were advised of the bill during a meeting in Kingston with officials of Jamaica's Ministry of Transport and Works.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=38647

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GOVERNMENT is yet to be officially informed about the decision to remove the Air Jamaica logo from Caribbean Airlines Limited (CAL) planes, days after reports that the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) in Trinidad had instructed the airline to drop the Air Jamaica brand.
"Cabinet has not been notified formally and we have not seen any reports, so I would not want to comment on that," Information Minister Sandrea Falconer told journalists at the weekly Jamaica House press briefing at the Office of the Prime Minister in Kingston yesterday.


Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...nd-decision_11980092#ixzz216tv4G1O

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/cartoon/#.UAdBU2qQexU.facebook

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UP operated their DH8-3 into KIN, today....

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BHS983



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Reply 94, posted (2 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14971 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 86):
This story had me laughing.....I wonder what other skeletons are waiting in the closet..

One can't help but to wonder what's next. Personally I am getting tired of the never ending saga.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 87):
Looks like AA is dropping fares in an effort to maintain market share..I had no idea, they worked closely with Loshusan Supermarket which is located in the affluent Barbican area..

AA relocated their ticket office from the business district of New Kingston ( Trafalgar Road ) to Barbican for some time now. I wasn't aware that they operated from inside the Loshusan supermarket. The fare conversions posted by the newspaper reporter is misleading. The US$ amount displayed is one way, but the JA$ equivalent is actually two way but they didn't specify that. The only way I would fly AA to say MCO or JFK is if by comparison their fares are significantly less expensive than the competition. Not enthusiastic re changing planes at MIA again, though I read where that process should be less hassling now ( or in the near future ) but my past experiences transferring there wasn't particularly hassle free.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 87):
Caribbean Airlines is to pay approximately US$1.5 million in outstanding airport fees and taxes to two Jamaican entities by July 31.

Seem they are mired with outstanding bills all over.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 87):
GOVERNMENT is yet to be officially informed about the decision to remove the Air Jamaica logo from Caribbean Airlines Limited (CAL) planes, days after reports that the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) in Trinidad had instructed the airline to drop the Air Jamaica brand.

And the saga continues. Mr. Derby wants proof....................


'' Director General of the Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority Lt Colonel Oscar Derby wants proof from his Trinidad counterparts of the regulatory requirement on dual branding, which has led to them dropping the Air Jamaica brand from Caribbean Airlines ( CAL ) .


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120720/business/business3.html


Will it ever end ?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 87):
UP operated their DH8-3 into KIN, today....

Wonder why UP was in KIN ?



Kingston's Norman Manley International Airport ( KIN ) was placed third in the SkyTrax Top Ten Airports in Central America/Caribbean results.

http://www.worldairportawards.com/Aw...2012/list_bestairport_camerica.htm


Hopefully MBJ will be up there as well in the future.



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (2 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14865 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 88):
'' Director General of the Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority Lt Colonel Oscar Derby wants proof from his Trinidad counterparts of the regulatory requirement on dual branding, which has led to them dropping the Air Jamaica brand from Caribbean Airlines ( CAL ) .

Sorry, but is that the best response that can be mustered? He wants proof? This has been brandied about in the press (and on a.net) for some time now, with no one denying the re-branding and recently the reasons for it. Shouldn't the government now be looking to other options at this point?



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 96, posted (2 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14808 times:

Hey guys,

I thought you might find these photos of mine interesting:



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (2 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14705 times:

Quoting JM017 (Reply 89):
Sorry, but is that the best response that can be mustered? He wants proof? This has been brandied about in the press (and on a.net) for some time now, with no one denying the re-branding and recently the reasons for it. Shouldn't the government now be looking to other options at this point?

Well it just goes to show the comical nature of the entire situation.


Quoting A388 (Reply 90):
I thought you might find these photos of mine interesting:



Great photos as usual A388. I happened to stumble upon the left one last week and decided to use it as the wall paper on my cell. Regardless of what some may have thought of the '' authentic '' JM livery back then, I maintain it was one of the coolest and most daring liveries ever to grace the skies. An eye catcher indeed    ......Unlike the many '' colourless whites '' we see flying around today all over the globe.   



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (2 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14677 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 91):
Great photos as usual A388. I happened to stumble upon the left one last week and decided to use it as the wall paper on my cell. Regardless of what some may have thought of the '' authentic '' JM livery back then, I maintain it was one of the coolest and most daring liveries ever to grace the skies. An eye catcher indeed ......Unlike the many '' colourless whites '' we see flying around today all over the globe.

I agree. I loved the "butch" livery. And I was slow to warm up to it when it was released. I grew up in the age of the classic livery   (sans blue).

But you brought up something i never thought to do: use one of these as my phone's wallpaper.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (2 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14653 times:

Quoting JM017 (Reply 92):
I agree. I loved the "butch" livery. And I was slow to warm up to it when it was released. I grew up in the age of the classic livery   (sans blue).

Even the classic livery that existed prior to the one that was unveiled at the start of the '' butch '' livery was quite a standout as well. I liked both of them actually.

Quoting JM017 (Reply 92):
But you brought up something i never thought to do: use one of these as my phone's wallpaper.

They do make an interesting photo backdrop. Also use one for my laptop ( close up of one of their former A320s making a sharp turn for departure line up at MIA ) Not changing that wall paper any time soon  



greenheart
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 100, posted (2 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 14619 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 93):
Even the classic livery that existed prior to the one that was unveiled at the start of the '' butch '' livery was quite a standout as well. I liked both of them actually.

Thanks for the nice comments on my photos airjamaica and JM017. I also like that livery a lot but I also liked the classic yellow/orange/pink one. I build a 747-200 scale model from the brand Revel if memory serves me well and painted it with the yellow/orange/pink JM colors, excellent!!!

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 93):
They do make an interesting photo backdrop. Also use one for my laptop ( close up of one of their former A320s making a sharp turn for departure line up at MIA ) Not changing that wall paper any time soon

Hahaha, use my photos however you want to my friends, wallpapers, presentations, billboards 

A388


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14507 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 94):
I build a 747-200 scale model from the brand Revel if memory serves me well and painted it with the yellow/orange/pink JM colors, excellent!!!

Interesting. Speaking about the B742, I recall back in the day JM chartered a B741 from EI for a period during the 1980's....


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/800px-Air_Jamaica_Boeing_747-100_Fitzgerald.jpg


With the majority of the EI livery still intact.


Seem WS's future looks promising on their recently launched YYZ-KIN route. They have already decided to make the service a year round one...


'' WestJet's upcoming winter schedule will also extend nonstop service between Toronto Pearson and Kingston, Jamaica, from seasonal to year-round status "


http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=692


They took the same approach when they initially started their YYZ-MBJ services. 3x weekly seasonally then eventually upgrading it to a year round service.



greenheart
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (2 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14487 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 95):

Is there year round demand on the YYZ KIN route for three carriers? If not who is going to be squeezed out?


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (2 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14479 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 102):
Is there year round demand on the YYZ KIN route for three carriers? If not who is going to be squeezed out?

It will be battle royal indeed between the 3 carriers operating YYZ-KIN. There will now be a combined 13 - 15 weekly flights during the peak periods. As for who will eventually stay/jump ship on that route ? AC is going no where I think and will endeavour to protect their market share as much as they possibly can. But only time will tell.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (2 years 7 hours ago) and read 14339 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 94):
Wonder why UP was in KIN ?

Looks like its a twice weekly charter that operates on Thurs and Sun..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 94):
Hopefully MBJ will be up there as well in the future.

Am surprised MBJ is not in the top position..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 97):
Well it just goes to show the comical nature of the entire situation.

Funny indeed...Time to close the doors and start with the new..

Quoting JM017 (Reply 98):
I agree. I loved the "butch" livery. And I was slow to warm up to it when it was released. I grew up in the age of the classic livery   (sans blue).
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 99):
Even the classic livery that existed prior to the one that was unveiled at the start of the '' butch '' livery was quite a standout as well. I liked both of them actually.

I still have vivid memories when the new colors were launched on the B727..It was a new day in Jamaica's aviation industry..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 101):
Interesting. Speaking about the B742, I recall back in the day JM chartered a B741 from EI for a period during the 1980's....

I wonder where they deployed these aircraft in the 80s?

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 101):
Seem WS's future looks promising on their recently launched YYZ-KIN route. They have already decided to make the service a year round one...


'' WestJet's upcoming winter schedule will also extend nonstop service between Toronto Pearson and Kingston, Jamaica, from seasonal to year-round status "

No surprise here..From the onset I believed WS would be able to remain in the market despite competition from existing carriers AC and BW..The KIN-YYZ market is growing and WS with it's lower fares will stimulate demand..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 102):
Is there year round demand on the YYZ KIN route for three carriers? If not who is going to be squeezed out?

Soon to be four, when Fly Jam launches service next month..I believe the market can handle 3 and I will predict after this summer, BW will close or scale down it's Jamaican ops..

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AFR has returned its weekly PTP-MBJ service for the summer..

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20120724/2010Z/TFFR/MKJS

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WN has increased BWI-MBJ to 11 weekly for the upcoming winter season.The new flights will operate Thurs-Sun..

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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14262 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 98):
Am surprised MBJ is not in the top position..

Maybe when they fully complete their renovation of the facility, and also rectify the issue of long queues at immigration during the peak periods, they will be among the top on the list. None the less I would have thought that they would still be among the current listing, with all the transformation that has taken place over the last couple of years.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 98):
I still have vivid memories when the new colors were launched on the B727..It was a new day in Jamaica's aviation industry..

That was the first time I ever experienced the B727. Did a short MBJ-KIN hop on one of them back then. It was operating JM 027 on a MBJ-KIN-MIA routing.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 98):
I wonder where they deployed these aircraft in the 80s?

Not too sure, but I would say LHR perhaps. Or is it JM didn't operate to the UK during that time ? The only other destinations I can think of is JFK and YYZ ( ? )

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 98):
No surprise here..From the onset I believed WS would be able to remain in the market despite competition from existing carriers AC and BW..The KIN-YYZ market is growing and WS with it's lower fares will stimulate demand..

Seem WS is determined to make KIN work for them just like they did with MBJ, albeit operating in a less leisure oriented environment now.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 98):
AFR has returned its weekly PTP-MBJ service for the summer..

Even at 1x weekly, I cant imagine an A320 filled with passengers flying between PTP and MBJ. But the fact that they have again resumed their seasonal flights, it must be working out for them some way or another.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 98):
WN has increased BWI-MBJ to 11 weekly for the upcoming winter season.The new flights will operate Thurs-Sun..

They are certainly enjoying the monopoly on that sector.


As expected, BA flights into LGW from KIN are packed with locals heading to the much anticipated Olympic Games. Many passengers who are not able to get on the nonstops from KIN have to fly AA to MIA and connect with a LHR bound carrier ( AA, VS or BA )...........................



'' The airline has since increased to three, its twice-weekly non-stop flights from Kingston to Gatwick to accommodate the large number of travellers. '' This change was based on a number of factors, not just demand as a result of one event " the airline said.

The airline said it was also seeing some travellers flying to London via Miami, through its partnership with American Airlines. According to BA, there has been a slight trend towards earlier bookings for travel this summer, with many persons securing their seats as soon as the fares became available last year. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...-begin-leaving-for-London_12035556


I guess many passengers from Kingston who couldn't get on BA also opted to take the Knutsford Express to Montego Bay, and catch VS to LGW from there. Wanted to be in London for this event as well but next time. Who knows, maybe I will make it to Rio in 2016. If I do, it will definately be on CM KIN-PTY-RIO-PTY-KIN. Cheaper and more convenient than flying through MIA.



greenheart
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14160 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 99):
Not too sure, but I would say LHR perhaps. Or is it JM didn't operate to the UK during that time ? The only other destinations I can think of is JFK and YYZ ( ? )

I found further information on the b747 leases..

When And How Long Air Jamaica Use 747s? (by 747400sp Aug 18 2008 in Civil Aviation)

My grandfather flew on the B747 between MBJ and JFK...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 99):
Seem WS is determined to make KIN work for them just like they did with MBJ, albeit operating in a less leisure oriented environment now.

I expect to see at least an increase to 5 or 6 weekly for summer 2012..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 99):
They are certainly enjoying the monopoly on that sector.


Sad to see them leave ATL-MBJ, but hopefully they will launch DAL-MBJ..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 99):
'' The airline has since increased to three, its twice-weekly non-stop flights from Kingston to Gatwick to accommodate the large number of travellers. '' This change was based on a number of factors, not just demand as a result of one event " the airline said.

The airline said it was also seeing some travellers flying to London via Miami, through its partnership with American Airlines. According to BA, there has been a slight trend towards earlier bookings for travel this summer, with many persons securing their seats as soon as the fares became available last year. ''

Am not surprised that BA/AA is enjoying this monopoly..Their JV is working in their best interest on this route..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 99):
I guess many passengers from Kingston who couldn't get on BA also opted to take the Knutsford Express to Montego Bay, and catch VS to LGW from there. Wanted to be in London for this event as well but next time. Who knows, maybe I will make it to Rio in 2016. If I do, it will definately be on CM KIN-PTY-RIO-PTY-KIN. Cheaper and more convenient than flying through MIA.

Hopefully, we will be able to secure a regular Jamaica-Brazil flights...I expect far more Jamaicans to travel to Brazil in 2016..

Speaking of Olympics, another boost for Jamaica..Usain Bolt's pic was plastered on The House of Parliament..

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...d0QGboIHoCQ&ved=0CFQQ9QEwBA&dur=31



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13906 times:
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Starting mid Aug, B6 will be upgrading the second FLL-KIN flight to an A320...With this new upgrade, KIN will be seeing 4 B6 A320s for the rest of the summer..2 ex JFK and 2 ex FLL...
Also, I was informed the JFK flights are going out full, so most people are opting for the FLL connections to KIN..



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13797 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 100):
Sad to see them leave ATL-MBJ, but hopefully they will launch DAL-MBJ..

Wasn't aware that they were axing their ATL-MBJ service. If it was previously mentioned in our thread I guess I just cant recall.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 101):
Starting mid Aug, B6 will be upgrading the second FLL-KIN flight to an A320...With this new upgrade, KIN will be seeing 4 B6 A320s for the rest of the summer..2 ex JFK and 2 ex FLL...
Also, I was informed the JFK flights are going out full, so most people are opting for the FLL connections to KIN..

Interesting. FLL-KIN seem to be gaining more and more traction where popularity is concerned for B6. Not surprising however.



greenheart
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13556 times:
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To my fellow Jamaicans, Happy Independence Day..50 years and still going strong..



Congrats to our medalists in the women's and men's 100m at the London Summer Olympics..


At an Independence Celebration in South Florida, Afiwi Air CEO mentioned, the upcoming new airline will be serving Jamaica from South Florida and New York..
This is the only information, I have on Afiwi Air..
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Flori.../Miami/afiwi-air-llc/67673173.aspx

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I heard Fly Jam start up is still being faced with bureaucracy...But, it was uttered that aircraft #2 is being looked at...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 102):
Wasn't aware that they were axing their ATL-MBJ service. If it was previously mentioned in our thread I guess I just cant recall.

Hopefully, DL will add a widebody on one of their 4 daily flights..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 102):
Interesting. FLL-KIN seem to be gaining more and more traction where popularity is concerned for B6. Not surprising however.

I agree..



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13460 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 109):
I heard Fly Jam start up is still being faced with bureaucracy...But, it was uttered that aircraft #2 is being looked at...

Oh boy....is the source of the delay local? I am not putting you on the spot. I just really hope they are given a chance to succeed.

Happy Independence Day!! (a day late, I know...)



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 111, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13430 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 103):
To my fellow Jamaicans, Happy Independence Day..50 years and still going strong..



Congrats to our medalists in the women's and men's 100m at the London Summer Olympics..

Congratulations to all our Jamaican friends here and also on the great achievements at the Olympics!!! Excellent work!!!

A388


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13281 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 103):
At an Independence Celebration in South Florida, Afiwi Air CEO mentioned, the upcoming new airline will be serving Jamaica from South Florida and New York..
This is the only information, I have on Afiwi Air..
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Flori....aspx

Considering the difficult environment airlines operate in today, I am surprised there is now news of yet another start up. We will see how this ( other ) one play out.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 103):
I heard Fly Jam start up is still being faced with bureaucracy...But, it was uttered that aircraft #2 is being looked at...
Quoting JM017 (Reply 104):
Oh boy....is the source of the delay local? I am not putting you on the spot. I just really hope they are given a chance to succeed.

I feel they will remain on the ground for quite some time to come.


Come next month the runway at Sangster International Airport ( MBJ ) will be resurfaced. This project will last 6 to eight months.........................


'' MBJ Airports Limited, which operates the Sangster International Airport in Montego Bay, St James, will begin a US$22-million resurface of the runway starting next month, resulting in the runway closing an hour earlier than the normal curfew.

Management said it has liaised with airlines to avoid a loss of passenger volumes. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120808/business/business2.html


Thought they had started this project already. Lets hope it is not drawn out. Wonder what is the current status on the new control towers for both airports ?


* Happy ( belated ) Independence and congrats to our athletes on their performance in London. They have really made us proud again.



greenheart
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 113, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 106):
Come next month the runway at Sangster International Airport ( MBJ ) will be resurfaced.
This project will last 6 to eight months.........................

Interesting and good to read. Seeing the amount of investment, will the runway be broken up en resurfaced from the ground or will there only be applied a new layer of asphalt(?) Will the PCN value be increased as well? What is the PCN of the runway now?

A388


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13146 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 107):
Interesting and good to read. Seeing the amount of investment, will the runway be broken up en resurfaced from the ground or will there only be applied a new layer of asphalt(?) Will the PCN value be increased as well? What is the PCN of the runway now?

I am not 100% certain if the runway will be broken up and resurfaced, but in the past when they did mention the planned resurfacing project, I got the impression that it would have been a new layer of asphalt. But yes, the value of the investment that the article quoted would give another impression. I am of the assumption that the PCN value will be increased, but I cannot confirm that either unfortunately, so hopefully more detailed information on the project will be forthcoming in the near future. The PCN of MBJ's runway is 063FAWT according to the link below :


http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=JM63499&sch=MKJS



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 115, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12960 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 108):
I am not 100% certain if the runway will be broken up and resurfaced, but in the past when they did mention the planned resurfacing project, I got the impression that it would have been a new layer of asphalt. But yes, the value of the investment that the article quoted would give another impression. I am of the assumption that the PCN value will be increased, but I cannot confirm that either unfortunately, so hopefully more detailed information on the project will be forthcoming in the near future. The PCN of MBJ's runway is 063FAWT according to the link below :

Hello airjamaica, thanks for the information and my apologies for the late reply as I'm a bit busy. Please keep me informed about the details of the runway resurfacing at MBJ. You can also send me an email or pm.

Cheers,

A388


User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12939 times:

Both of the B6 FLL-KIN flights go out full every day. Sometimes the E190s bulk out and we have to leave baggage behind.

User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12928 times:
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Quoting JM017 (Reply 104):
Oh boy....is the source of the delay local? I am not putting you on the spot. I just really hope they are given a chance to succeed.

Definitely...I heard, they completed their initial tests and are waiting for the JCAA..

Quoting JM017 (Reply 104):
Happy Independence Day!! (a day late, I know...)

lol..

Quoting A388 (Reply 105):
ngratulations to all our Jamaican friends here and also on the great achievements at the Olympics!!! Excellent work!!!

     
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 106):
Considering the difficult environment airlines operate in today, I am surprised there is now news of yet another start up. We will see how this ( other ) one play out.

Am actually excited about this venture..We certainly have learnt from our mistakes with JM..With a thriving aviation industry and a worldwide brand image..Its about time we let the private sector handle our airlines..
As witnessed every regional airline has failed at the hands of the Govt..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 106):
* Happy ( belated ) Independence and congrats to our athletes on their performance in London. They have really made us proud again.

I agree..We are The Land of World Class Sprinter....Our athletes did us proud..I must extend a special thanks to Usain for being a brand Ambassador for Jamaica..

I hope we will one day see his picture on the fuselage of a Jamaican carrier..Despite the criticisms , he is a track legend..The IOC has endorsed this status as only Bolt and Jamaica's performance can gross high sales at Olympic Track and Field Events..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/424349_419990261370827_1565056756_n.jpg

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 116):
Both of the B6 FLL-KIN flights go out full every day. Sometimes the E190s bulk out and we have to leave baggage behind.

The route has proven to be a stellar performer...Can't wait for them to add the 3rd daily next year..
 



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12866 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 109):
Hello airjamaica, thanks for the information and my apologies for the late reply as I'm a bit busy. Please keep me informed about the details of the runway resurfacing at MBJ. You can also send me an email or pm.

No problem. Will pass on any information I receive.

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 110):
Both of the B6 FLL-KIN flights go out full every day. Sometimes the E190s bulk out and we have to leave baggage behind.

Thanks for the update. Can't say I am surprised. They have a very good product and competitive fares to go along with that as well. As I always say, B6 must be wondering why they took so long to serve Jamaica.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 111):
We are The Land of World Class Sprinter....Our athletes did us proud

Sprint factory indeed !!

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 111):
The route has proven to be a stellar performer...Can't wait for them to add the 3rd daily next year..

There were some who doubted that this route would be successful, but I was confident it would eventually do well, even though they started out with less that impressive bookings on some of their initial flights.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12715 times:

Quoting JM017 (Reply 104):
I just really hope they are given a chance to succeed.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 111):
...I heard, they completed their initial tests and are waiting for the JCAA..

Well I just heard on the Nightly News tonight that they will possibly take to the skies in a matter of weeks. Lets see what will transpire.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12656 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 113):

Nothing in Guyana's media yet. Must cost a pretty penny to have the 752 just sitting waiting.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12558 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 113):

Well I just heard on the Nightly News tonight that they will possibly take to the skies in a matter of weeks. Lets see what will transpire.

Well, I suppose that is something. Thanks for the update.

Their website has been "under construction" for eight months  



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12425 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 113):
Well I just heard on the Nightly News tonight that they will possibly take to the skies in a matter of weeks. Lets see what will transpire.
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 114):
Nothing in Guyana's media yet. Must cost a pretty penny to have the 752 just sitting waiting.
Quoting JM017 (Reply 115):
Well, I suppose that is something. Thanks for the update.

Their website has been "under construction" for eight months  

The new start date is Oct..

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Looks like Jamaica will see 36,000 new seats next year from the UK..


Among the things they said were achieved in England were:
* Meetings with over 300 travel agents and tour operators;
* 600 accredited media filing stories about Jamaica House;
* More than 2,000 visitors to Jamaica House per day for 10 days;
* 36,000 new seats from UK confirmed for next year;
* Meetings with 500 potential investors, distributors and business partners;
* 13 investment leads made in manufacturing and business process outsourcing, etc


Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...well-spent-_12322384#ixzz24BjOXV6F



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12312 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 116):

Another 752 in GEO, good news. Wouldn't it be better if they used a 738/737 to do that route before moving to the bigger 752?

GUYAIR707


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Reply 124, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 12293 times:
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Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 117):
Another 752 in GEO, good news. Wouldn't it be better if they used a 738/737 to do that route before moving to the bigger 752?

I heard they haven their final proving flight with JCAA on Friday..Scheduled start date is Oct 3..

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Quoting hummingbird (Reply 116):
Looks like Jamaica will see 36,000 new seats next year from the UK..

6,000 additional airlift seats from the United Kingdom has been secured, which will start in the summer of 2013, according to the Minister of Tourism and Entertainment, Dr. Wykeham McNeill. During yesterday's Post-Olympic press conference the portfolio Minister revealed that 25,000 seats was secured with UK-Based Virgin Holidays which confirmed another flight from Gatwick, London to Montego Bay and 11,000 new seats had been secured after TUI finalised an extra fortnightly flight for the winter to Mobay with weekly flights in the summer. According to the JIS, these were secured during promotions for Brand Jamaica during the London 2012. Minister McNeill also stated that interest in Jamaica continues its global growth with arrivals from May to August seeing a 6 per cent increase for the corresponding period last year.

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Apple Vacation will launch seasonal winter flights from RFD and DTW into MBJ..F9 will operate the once weekly RFD-MBJ flights..

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/me...-expands-winter-2013-program-36616



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12278 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 118):

Any idea if they will be using any Guyanese on their staff, including flight crew, or is it all former AJ staff? Interesting that they plan on flying to JFK, YYZ, KIN and GEO, up against some stiff competition. I wonder what they plan on doing different to attract pax.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12249 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 114):
Nothing in Guyana's media yet. Must cost a pretty penny to have the 752 just sitting waiting.

Yes it has been there for quite sometime now.

Quoting JM017 (Reply 115):
Their website has been "under construction" for eight months

Time is certainly flying by quickly.Wasn't aware it was that long.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 117):
Another 752 in GEO, good news. Wouldn't it be better if they used a 738/737 to do that route before moving to the bigger 752?

Maybe they got the B752 for a very reasonable price.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 118):
Apple Vacation will launch seasonal winter flights from RFD and DTW into MBJ..F9 will operate the once weekly RFD-MBJ flights..

Apple Vacations/F9 seem to be getting even more and more aggressive with their offerings to popular vacation destinations.


Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 119):
I wonder what they plan on doing different to attract pax.

Well if/when they do get off the ground, naturally their main target will be those in the diaspora, as indicated by the markets they initially intend to serve. Will be very interesting to see what they will bring to the table. Personally I am not feeling the name or livery of the carrier. Hopefully they eventually change both to something more suitable.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12234 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 120):
Maybe they got the B752 for a very reasonable price.

Yeah it's my favourite a/c, and maybe when they started planning EZjet wasn't around.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 120):
Personally I am not feeling the name or livery of the carrier. Hopefully they eventually change both to something more suitable.

Looks like they just wanted to get into the air quickly so they did a basic livery. I do believe they are working on the void from the soon to be gone AJ name, using the Jamaican name to encourage support. The thing is about Caribbean based airlines as with most, the pockets have to be deep, as the market is limited. They have to find some kind of niche. Or else, go big like the Copa or Emirates model. The 1 a/c airline is always at risk when it comes to scheduling. Just check EZjet. I want to support them but I am afraid they will leave me stranded.

I wish them the best.

GUYAIR707


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Reply 128, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12193 times:
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Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 119):
Any idea if they will be using any Guyanese on their staff, including flight crew, or is it all former AJ staff? Interesting that they plan on flying to JFK, YYZ, KIN and GEO, up against some stiff competition. I wonder what they plan on doing different to attract pax.

All cabin crew will be ex JM staff..Am not sure about their pilots...From what I was told, they have their marketing plans in place to capture local GEO traffic...
In the end, the market will be saturated with carriers who will stimulate growth...




DOT Stats Nov 2011

BW

FLL-KIN
13706-10532 77%

KIN-FLL
13860-9822 71%

FLL-MBJ
4620-3679 79%

MBJ-FLL
4620-3186 69%

JFK-KIN
9240-7686 83%

KIN-JFK
9240-7455 67%

JFK-MBJ
4620-3425 74%

MBJ-JFK
4620-3897 84%

MCO-KIN
1386-891 64%

KIN-MCO
1386-1045 75%

PHL-MBJ
4466-2920 65%

MBJ-PHL
4466-2504 56%

AA

DFW-MBJ
1920-1468 76%

MBJ-DFW
1760-1574 89%

MIA-KIN
14400-10765 75%

KIN-MIA
14400-10245 71%

MIA-MBJ
13544-11447 85%

MBJ-MIA
13542-10564 78%

ORD-MBJ
1853-1363 74%

MBJ-ORD
1853-1295 70%

B6

BOS-MBJ
600-518 86%

MBJ-BOS
600-465 78%

JFK-KIN
4500-3660 81%

KIN-JFK
4500-3735 83%

JFK-MBJ
6150-5542 90%

MBJ-JFK
6300-5407 86%

MCO-MBJ
3150-2347 75%

MBJ-MCO
3150-2349 75%

CO
EWR-MBJ
2368-2235 94%

MBJ-EWR
2381-2088 88%

IAH-MBJ
1133-843 74%

MBJ-IAH
1120-975 87%

DL
ATL-MBJ
9882-8808 89%

MBJ-ATL
9882-8729 88%

DTW-MBJ
616-566 92%

MBJ-DTW
616-562 91%

FL
ATL-MBJ
4110-3544 86%

MBJ-ATL
4110-3338 81%

BWI-MBJ
4932-4058 82%

MBJ-BWI
4932-4201 85%

MCO-MBJ
3562-2584 73%

MBJ-MCO
3562-2305 65%

US

CLT-MBJ
13063-11273 86%

MBJ-CLT
13187-11114 84%

PHL-MBJ
4898-4145 85%

MBJ-PHL
4898-4165 85%

NK

FLL-KIN
1971-1491 76%

KIN-FLL
1971-1551 79%

FLL-MBJ
2472-1832 74%

MBJ-FLL
2472-1730 70%

U5

ORD-MBJ
840-724 91%

MBJ-ORD
840-690 82%

NA FOR BW

JFK-KIN
870-811 93%

KIN-JFK
870-499 57%



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