Not exactly what many were hoping for, but not surprising either. Initial routes are DFW and JFK to LHR and GRU. What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1727 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 25433 times:
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3): a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)
Well, bear in mind that the 777-300ERs are being deployed on routes where there is a demand for F, and likely those F passengers will value this type of service. Meanwhile, the 772s are being re-configured to include J-only premium seats, hence adding back in a few extra seats for higher revenue.
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3): and introduction of Main Cabin Extra- adds 6 inches of leg room
Main cabin extra link
Another thing that AA will find is a revenue generator. It's just following the trends with airlines such as UA, DL, BA, etc. all of which have found that there is demand for a premium economy class.
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 25393 times:
Old news, this has been known for a while now.
Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 5): I must ask... will AA's new 77W sport their current livery? Because that AA livery would look stunning on that Triple 7 stretch....
Most likely. The first 77W is due on property at the end of this year so if they were planning a new livery, they don't have much time to work with.
Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter): What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?
Well, they'll start reconfiguring them with Y-(3-4-3), Y+, and the deletion of F, for starters.
bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24197 times:
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3): a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)
That walk-up bar may make the difference for the premium customer who has a choice of airlines. That customer may choose AA over airlines such as UA or DL, or others who do not have the bar.
Quoting realsim (Reply 14): It surprises me that DFW-GRU is only scheduled for 2 months, and then replaced by DFW-LHR and JFK-LHR/GRU. Is DFW-GRU a "test" then?
My educated guess is that it is just seasonal adjustments.
rotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 374 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24068 times:
This all sounds wonderful but what about the untouched markets in the Far-East like Seoul or Bangkok?? Im guessing they fly to NRT but not places like BOM, DEL.
boeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 57 Reply 18, posted (12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23734 times:
Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter): What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?
Do they have a/c (777-200ER's) set aside for starting HND on the 1st?
Re-start KIX?
Up-grd #945/DFW or #957/MIA to SCL
Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 18): I don't suppose AA will return any time soon....
The historical financial performance of the route and its future outlook given the global economic climate and high oil prices has resulted in a decision by American to cancel its New Delhi (DEL) - Chicago O'Hare (ORD) service. Don't see them restarting as they have co-shares for the flight.
mhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 372 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 21855 times:
At least seasonally, I can see the 777 going to FRA as a pretty good bet. 70/71 is absolutely always full, and right now, it is AA's only flight to Germany, the world's third? largest economy. I think maybe it is a safe bet that AA will try ORD-BER and maybe DFW-BER on the 767 at some point. DFW-BER is long, as the FRA flight was taking weight restrictions all throughout the winter because of the headwinds, but I think they might be able to make it work. All in all I know AA needs to do something more in Germany than just 1x FRA flights, not when Star carriers can send 777s to MUC and Delta can fly to STR. AA's service there is abysmal and warrants more international capacity.
Also, I think sending the 777 to SCL is another good bet. Already, AA is talking about expanding GRU international service. Outside of Brazil, EZE and SCL do incredibly well loadfactor wise. I would hope for an upguage to SCL or perhaps a second DFW-EZE trip (or a third MIA-EZE).
I just flew MIA-SCL last week, and it was 90%+ full, as a nonrev, we flew over to EZE on LA because the return SCL-DFW flight was filling up. This is the off season for Chile and South America and AA is still filling aircraft.
It would be a good use for the 777s.
More Asia is good too. In fact, more international capacity is needed all around, so I'm very excited to see the 77Ws arrive!
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19976 times:
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):
a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)
A walk up bar setup between meal services takes virtually no galley space or requires space for seating. I don't think we are talking about a lounge like a few Middle Eastern airlines have, but rather just a self service bar with drinks and snacks. They are pretty common on many airlines.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2198 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20406 times:
For those who haven't seen the artist renderings of the interior of the new 77W, here's a link. It shows the new walk-up bar, new Flagship Suite, new business class seat and coach product.
Also, DFW-GRU will go 77W on 13Dec, DFW/JFK-LHR will begin in February 2013.
The views expressed are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect my employer’s views.
25 Byrdluvs747: I hope the emphasis is on the word "initial", otherwise this is just more of the same from AA. Disappointing.
26 jfk777: A 777 to Santiago would be good but do you want to put a plane that LAN may not appreciate being upstaged with ? LAN is an important AA partner where
27 Roseflyer: Why is using the airplane to two of the largest international markets that AA serves disappointing? LHR is their number one international destination
28 aacun: From the PR Announcement sent out Boeing 777-200ERs American's entire fleet of 777-200ERs will be redesigned to a two-class cabin configuration to bet
29 liftsifter: Love the vagueness about weather Main Cabin is 3-3-3 or 2-5-2... NOT.
30 mhkansan: Well I think from now on the 77W will be the flagship aircraft. Besides, lots of other airlines bring large jets to SCL, IB brings the A346 and its a
31 mogandoCI: sadly.... neither. it's virtually confirmed at 3-4-3 (see facebook AA page, flyer talk, twitter etc) just when you thought UA and DL are downgrading
32 skipness1E: Ten abreast in Economy is not going to compare well with partner BA. Why would I ever pay my own money to fly like that?
33 N62NA: Looking forward to when the 77W eventually makes it to MIA. In the meantime, I'll settle for the pics from JFK/DFW/LHR/GRU.
34 mogandoCI: because AA loves their elites so much that they need to take something away from the kettles in order to reward their frequent flyers ... kinda like
35 Delimit: Plus ça change. Just what AA needs; more seats in the JFK - LHR market.
36 aaexecplat: Can you explain that statement to me? They will have less premium seats on these refurbished 772s and a relatively small MaincabinExtra section (comp
37 Cubsrule: For many carriers, it's a range and/or ETOPS issue. Europe-SCL is getting toward the edge of the 343's range. I don't understand your fascination wit
38 mogandoCI: Because in UA, all elites get Y+ while regulars still get Y. In AA 77W, *some* elites get Y+ while low tier elites and regulars get Y-. The gap is de
39 9w748capt: Wasn't aware of that - who does AA still codeshare to DEL with? Do they still have their code on 9W flights ex-BRU even though AA has virtually axed
40 Concordski: However silver elites will/now are only going to get Y+ at check-in rather than at time of booking. Still I think I'm going to move my flying to Unit
41 mogandoCI: Wow you must be one of the rare few. All those loud voices on flyertalk insist on moving from UA to AA, even only from anecdotal unverified experienc
42 PlanesNTrains: I think the evidence is more than anecdotal that UACO has been having some teething pains that have more than a few FF's irritated (or worse). While
43 YULWinterSkies: I think the quote from 777STL below could solve your question. No idea about the source and how reliable the info is, however, I would not be surpris
44 chopchop767: Add me to the list. The last flight that I have booked with UA/LH is next week from NAP to BOS in J via FRA. While actually none of the routing is on
45 carpethead: I am fascinated that an airline that is in ‘bankruptcy’ can: 1. Continue to take delivery of two/three 738s a month 2. Will take delivery of a num
46 gdg9: Well said. For someone buying a Y ticket DFW-LHR, why wouldn't I just go on BA or AA's other flights (767, 772) and get a normal width Y seat, instea
47 United787: Did you really expect AA to use it's largest aircraft to introduce a new route? What will be disappointing is if AA doesn't use the extra 772s or sub
48 qf002: It won't be a bar with a bartender able to mix drinks etc. It will just be a space in the galley where you can help yourself to a drink and some snac
49 mogandoCI: Apparently some IQ 200 people on this forum think AA would launched ULH flights like MIA-NRT or DFW-HKG on their largest plane with unproven yield ec
50 AAplat4life: I personally did not, but management said that it was acquiring the 77Ws for that purpose. Obviously, things change--or in this case remain the same.
51 cx828: how many 77w did AA order actually, i think they will use on European route rather than Asian, in fact, AA doesn;t seem to care about Asian market, on
52 AAIL86: Well I'm certain at some point in the next year or so we can except the 77Ws on a new route, but they have to break the aircraft in first as well as
53 qqflyboy: AA confirmed via their Facebook page about two weeks ago that main cabin would be 3-4-3. The cabin refurbs aren't expected to start until 2014, at wh
55 aaexecplat: So you were being facetious...that makes more sense then. Agree that from a pure seating arrangement, the UA birds are a better bet for UA elites. Th
56 boeingfever777: This is cool off the Boeing website: 777-300ER. These schedules will appear in global distribution systems this week. Market Flight Frequency Date Dal
57 AAIL86: Actually, PA sold the pacific division to UA in 1985, well before their bankruptcy. Incidentally, they had offered that network piece to AA beforehan
58 MAH4546: That's not what people think. AA has gone as far as to mention both publicly as potential new markets. Until the 77W, AA has not had a plane to prope
59 laca773: It is AA's flagship route with BA. It does seem to be a lot of extra capacity for this route. What are the load factors right now in all cabins? Paid
60 jumpjets: It's very disappointing to see AA join EK, KLM, AF and I am sure others in squeezing 10 abreast in economy. Even BA who seem to champion premium flyi
61 AA767400: Yes it would. I know myself included, that it is a better option to just grab and serve what you want. I don't want human interaction. You pour the a
62 AAplat4life: Again, it depends what UA and DL do here. If they do not go to 10 abreast in coash, AA will take some heat. Someone mentioned that the 787s should be
63 Cubsrule: If FR buys 787s and starts flying DFW-GRU/EZE/NRT, AA's business model will also be toast. But what's the point of speculating about events that aren
64 qqflyboy: AA has an MOU for 789s (42+58 options), not the 788. AA has an active fleet tracker on their employee website, of which the 787s are very much a part
65 AAIL86: If I invent a teleporter, EK's business model will be toast. WN can't even integrate FL and its 717s at the moment, so what makes you think they can
66 laca773: Thanks qqflyboy for the clarification. I knew that. I believe I was thinking of the JL 788s. At the same time, I don't think it would hurt AA to buy/
67 ord: Not according to the book Hard Landing, which says that Crandall was jealous and outraged to learn that United was buying Pan Am's Pacfiic division a
68 Caryjack: So what is it, 3-3-3 or 2-5-2? Virtually confirmed? I wouldn't, and I always use my "own money". I've never actually felt "loved" by those guys but I
69 Concordski: Just to confirm for those who are still are confused on the 9 or 10 abreast in economy, here's official word from a journalist's query to AA: http://t
70 Viscount724: With the AA/BA revenue-sharing joint venture on transatlantic routes, why would anyone choose a cramped AA 10-abreast 77 when you can travel in much
71 DFWEagle: Well, the 77W flights are now available for booking on AA.com! The 77W seat maps are also available to view in the booking system. By my count, the se
72 LAXdude1023: Looking at the configuration, I cant imagine what new routes AA would fly with this. I dont think that even the anticipated and highly rumored routes
73 MAH4546: Should be on LAXLHR in a matter of short time. DFWGRU is only to get DFW crews some hours and familiarity with the plane. The 77Ws will probably prow
74 LAXdude1023: I highly doubt the 77W will show up at DFW for familiarity and then disappear from the airport. Maybe not on DFW-GRU for good, but one of the DFW-LHR
75 DFWEagle: I notice that DFW-EZE is getting a 772 again for the winter... and MIA-EZE gets a third flight (daylight) starting in October and operating every day,
76 MAH4546: The end date for the 77W on DFWGRU is already set - first week of April, IIRC. It is entirely being used on that route to familiarize crew.
77 ASFlyer: If I read the press release correctly, the airplane will operate DFW/GRU through Feb 13. It appears another airplane will begin operating DFW-LHR on
78 AAIL86: Agreed.... especially on MIA-NRT... there can't possibly be a need for 8F/52J on that route. Does anybody know offhand if the 772 can perform MIA-NRT
79 MAH4546: Miami-Tokyo will fill on five main traffic flows: LIMNRT, GRUNRT, MIAHKG, MCONRT and MIAMNL. The last two are junk yield markets but large; MIAHKG is
80 mogandoCI: 30 Y+ ? that's a ridiculously low count for a major oneworld route like DFW/JFK-LHR ... I can totally imagine prime flights (like the friday night on
81 N62NA: Very interesting to see the seat map. I've noticed that some of the rows in "regular" Y feature just 2 seats on both the left and right sides of the
82 aacun: The third MIA-EZE (daytime) nonstop is already loaded as of the december schedule change so we know where the first ac being replaced by the 77W is go
83 etops1: Funny , I posted something similar to your post but it got deleted by the Mods . But your right Spree . I wonder what it would look likein the US sch
84 MAH4546: Third MIAEZE is a daylight that uses an aircraft otherwise parked all day.
85 AA767400: Now I feel like you're just nit picking. Do you have anything positive to ever say? The final configuration sounds about right for a 4 class aircraft
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