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Rumor: DL 73Ws Going To WN?  
User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14488 times:

Any truth to the rumor that the 10 DL 73Ws will be going to Southest as part of the 717 deal? Would make sense for both parties IMHO...

-Atl-Sna seems to be reverting to 757s
-A319s seem to be taking over Atl-sal/sap/mga
-A319s are capable of EYW...no real NEED left for 73Ws at DL...
-Southwest needs to replace 88 717s(at least in part)
-Southwest just deferred 20 738s from Boeing

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User currently onlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14481 times:

Ever since the rumors of DL taking the 717 aircraft started, this has been a persistant item of discussion. I don't see this happening.

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14132 times:

Southwest has not purchased any used airplanes in a very long time. The only used planes in the WN fleet are 733s that are all over 20 years old. Also the DL 73Gs are much higher powered than WN 73Gs, which have less thrust and better fuel burn.

I don't see it as impossible, but I'd like to see some more substantiation behind the rumor.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14051 times:

Ummm...WN purchased some used 73G's that belonged to Midway (the RDU one), some European carrier that I can't remember, and one or two that belonged to an auto company.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23019 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14042 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
Southwest has not purchased any used airplanes in a very long time.

They have taken a handful of used 73Gs over the past 5 years. 270 and 271 came over from Ford in 2006. 550 and 551 came from S2 in 2007 or so. 552, 554, and 555 are ex-DJ and came around 2010.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
I don't see it as impossible, but I'd like to see some more substantiation behind the rumor.

Agreed. The 319 can do much of what the 73G can do, but, at least at DL, the 73G is somewhat more capable. I'm not ready to say that the 319 can replace the 73G without some more support.



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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13808 times:
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There was no mention of any 737 transaction in the press release announcing the acquisition of the 717 leases. While full terms were not disclosed, any transfer of aircraft from Delta to Southwest would be significant enough that it would have been included in the announcement. Being relieved of the financial commitment of leasing and operating 717s is enough compensation for Southwest in this deal, and I expect that to be where it ends.

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13684 times:

I think WN will get Boeing slots from DL for 2 reasons. 1) WN pushed back delivery of several -800s for next year... perhaps in anticipation of DL -800s coming our way? Also, perhaps a way to convert those -800s into MAXs for the future? 2) WN said in a press release that they intend on replacing 717 capacity with 737 capacity without adding fleet size. The only way to do that would be to add (just a guess) 20-30 -800s to replace the 88 717s.

WN will be wanting to start up their Hawaii service next year and will need a sizeable ETOPS -800 fleet to get that done. Gary Kelly has said recently that the -800 will be the future of WN, so I don't expect WN to want to reduce their -800 fleet size by so much.



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13570 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):
1) WN pushed back delivery of several -800s for next year... perhaps in anticipation of DL -800s coming our way?

I doubt WN will be getting any aircraft from DL. Also, DL doesn't have any 73W or 738's on order, just 739's.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13558 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
Southwest has not purchased any used airplanes in a very long time.
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):
Ummm...WN purchased some used 73G's that belonged to Midway (the RDU one), some European carrier that I can't remember, and one or two that belonged to an auto company.

They've also taken DJ 73G's in the past as well.


User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13299 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):
WN will be wanting to start up their Hawaii service next year and will need a sizeable ETOPS -800 fleet to get that done. Gary Kelly has said recently that the -800 will be the future of WN, so I don't expect WN to want to reduce their -800 fleet size by so much

From what SWA has said to it's employees the plan is to use 25 -800s for the Hawaiian market. SWA is getting 33 -800s this year, the deferrals start next year. SWA FltOps Management has also said that SWA will replace the 717s by delaying the retirement of the Classic and buying used NGs. This means that the -800s coming from Boeing this year will be enough for the Hawaiian market and will not be needed to replace the 717s.


User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

A bit off topic but does anyone know the status of the DL 737-700 that had the incident (at Atlanta I think?) where mechanics taxied over the edge of a steep bank and damaged the engine and/or wing?

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12476 times:
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Quoting vaus77w (Reply 10):

- It's back in service.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2352 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12324 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
Southwest has not purchased any used airplanes in a very long time.

Wrong.. SWA has taken delivery of a few second hand A/C within the last few years.

N270WN / N271LV ( 2006 ) - Former Fordair Of Europe

N550WN/ N551WN ( 2007 ) - Former Sahara Air ( India )

N552WN/ N553WN/ N554WN ( 2010/ 2011 ) - Former Virgin Blue ( Australia )

N555LV / N556WN ( 2011 ) - airTran NTU due to WN/ FL merger.

N7714B + ( 2012- ) - Part of the WN/ FL merger

The last 2nd hand 737-300 I believe was N345SA in 1999.

[Edited 2012-05-23 21:52:47]


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12154 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):

TGU and UIO are both 73W only cities. Also JFK-BOG. (ATL -BOG could(and i think is) go back to the 757)

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):

Delta doesn't have any 737-800 slots. 100 orders for 737-900ERs with 30 options pat 2015.

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 10):

been flying for a while



yep.
User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11907 times:

The rumor around WN is pushing out the planned retirement of 60 younger 737-300 until 2016.
Rumor also in this deal Delta swapping some gates in ATL, DEN and MDW.
ATL swapping C gates for WN D gates giving WN all there gates in the C terminal and WN will rezone all the gates to fit a 737-800 when its done WN will be down to 26 from 32 gates.
DEN along with United giving up some gate space Delta will move to the B gates giving WN all of terminal C.
MDW (another C gate move) Delta moving all it's flights to the 3 gates in terminal C giving WN another 3 gates in terminal A.
Not putting any money into converting any 717's into the WN style is rumored to save WN some were around 200 to 300 million in projected training and MX cost by getting away from the 717.
Win win for Delta and WN..loser is this is the FL 717 pilots.
Wnfg 



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11429 times:

Quoting 737tanker (Reply 9):
From what SWA has said to it's employees the plan is to use 25 -800s for the Hawaiian market

WN hasn't said one word to the Employees about Hawaii or any plans relating to Hawaii. Where did WN tell the Employees that (in case I missed it)?"



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11370 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
DEN along with United giving up some gate space Delta will move to the B gates giving WN all of terminal C.

What gates is UA giving up on concourse B... I thought they were just giving up offices



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11333 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
ATL swapping C gates for WN D gates giving WN all there gates in the C terminal and WN will rezone all the gates to fit a 737-800 when its done WN will be down to 26 from 32 gates.

That I don't believe, sorry. Logistically, it makes no sense for DL to pack up shop and move everything to D. DCI baggage induction was recently completed and is located on C. The belt runs from B, underground where the old B-C underground walkway was to the C bagroom. EV flight ops and MTC department is on the C ramp. All of these things can be remedied on D but the real estate on C is worth a lot more; to DL at least. I guess time will tell but personally, I think FL will be moving to D if there is such a deal in place.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11255 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
.loser is this is the FL 717 pilots.

Why? They are moving up to the 737....why is more pay a bad thing?(and in FL's case...much, much, much more pay)

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):

That I don't believe, sorry. Logistically, it makes no sense for DL to pack up shop and move everything to D. DCI baggage induction was recently completed and is located on C. The belt runs from B, underground where the old B-C underground walkway was to the C bagroom. EV flight ops and MTC department is on the C ramp. All of these things can be remedied on D but the real estate on C is worth a lot more; to DL at least. I guess time will tell but personally, I think FL will be moving to D if there is such a deal in place.

agreed. Delta has put to much money into Both C and D IMO but they darn sure didn't just pay to put Jetways on their side of C just to give it up. D is the worst concourse at ATL, I see no way Delta moving its C opps over.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 15):
WN hasn't said one word to the Employees about Hawaii or any plans relating to Hawaii. Where did WN tell the Employees that (in case I missed it)?"

Many members on this forum keep repeating that WN has announced its service to Hawaii yet are unable to provide an official statement by WN.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9722 times:

If the A319 can operate to EYW,why doesn't anyone (US,UA) fly them there ?


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5957 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9546 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 16):
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
DEN along with United giving up some gate space Delta will move to the B gates giving WN all of terminal C.

What gates is UA giving up on concourse B... I thought they were just giving up offices

That is all UA has said that they will be doing is giving up some back office space...none of the gates are supposed to change.

[Edited 2012-05-24 05:22:02]


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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9005 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):
If the A319 can operate to EYW,why doesn't anyone (US,UA) fly them there ?

Delta has had the A319 scheduled to EYW many times. I have flown on it EYW-ATL several times in the past in addition to the 73W. Perhaps the other airlines you mention haven't done so because of the distance from EYW to their hubs? Just a thought. Maybe they're just too long to not take a weight penalty?

[Edited 2012-05-24 06:04:40]


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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8917 times:

If DL dumps some 737s then it will reduce the number of larger RJs they will be able to get... so if the magic formula matches the increase in mainline aircraft with the 70 large RJs then there is likely no truth to this rumor.


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8653 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 16):
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
DEN along with United giving up some gate space Delta will move to the B gates giving WN all of terminal C.

What gates is UA giving up on concourse B... I thought they were just giving up offices
Quoting United1 (Reply 21):
That is all UA has said that they will be doing is giving up some back office space...none of the gates are supposed to change.

In fact, UA just committed to "grow" in DEN this week. Hard to see how that squares with giving back gates?


25 DashTrash : That's likely a software change to derate the engines to what Southwest already has. IF DAL has intent to sell the -700s to WN, you won't hear anythi
26 UGA777 : I can tell you for a fact that this rumor is not true. I know someone that works in Ops with Delta and they are very happy with the 73G for short fiel
27 Josh32121 : Agreed. They could get them there. They just wouldn't be able to take off with enough fuel to get them all the way back to ORD or CLT (maybe?). I won
28 floridaflyboy : Part of the agreement they reached with DEN includes giving up gate space...
29 United1 : Really.... which part? according to anything public it only includes giving up back end space.
30 mcg : It might be more logical for WN and DL to trade WN's 2 gates on A concourse for DL's gates on C. I don't know if the two A gates are enough gate spac
31 timf : DL has at least 5 gates at DEN. I could see them possibly squeezing into 4, but 2 gates on A isn't going to cut it unless another airline also gives u
32 chrisair : That old Eastern Airlines tunnel is gone? Damn. That was a great way to get between the B-C gates. It was desolate down there!
33 laca773 : What happened here to this thread being about DL's 73Ws? It's not about DEN B-C gates, squeezing 5 gates into 4 and so on... Back to topic. I was wond
34 FlyASAGuy2005 : Yep. I mean it's still "there" but you can't access it anymore. It's sealed off frompax access and that's where the underground belt from B runs. Sch
35 Post contains images mayor : I thought the topic was if WN was getting DL's 73Ws?
36 DTWLAX : Where are you getting this information from? I checked the schedule for a random day Aug, 22 and the schedule shows all 737-700s.
37 737tanker : The only thing in writing that I've seen has been from FltOps management, and that concerned getting ETOPs certification and training for Hawaii. The
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : It goes to 3x 757 for the September schedule change on 9/5. 620 seats to about 540.
39 DeltaL1011man : two things. 1) 2x 73W 1x CR7. 2) if they could make 4x CR9/E75 work better don't you think they would do so? You are talking about going from 33F to
40 QANTAS747-438 : Oh, ok. 25 planes sounds good. WN will have that number of ETOPS -800s by this year, leaving all of 2013s deliveries for Mainland redeyes, longhauls,
41 KC135TopBoom : Correct, DL uses their B-73Gs on both routes because the B-73G has better range and has better high/hot performance than the B-73H/W. IIRC, DL has ab
42 Post contains images columba : Age does not matter, especially with DL/NW Sometimes it even makes sense to sell newer planes to get money instead of older ones. AUA sold their A330
43 CO764 : If DL does get rid of its 73G's, will the 757's take over the JFK-BOG route or is it more likely to be an A319?
44 yellowtail : Apart from TGU, EYW, BOG and MEX....where else does the DL's 73G make it to?
45 DeltaL1011man : UIO, SNA(for now) then some domestic turns out of ATL. ATL-JFK/EWR I think are geting them right now, I have seen them go to DCA/IAD/CLE/IND and othe
46 laca773 : DTWLAX, check June and July dates for SNA-ATL as well. I see on delta.com, the majority of these flights will be 757s with 2 73Ws in the mix. This ma
47 jporterfi : Why is the 738 used on routes to UIO? Is it a restriciton because of altitude/runway length, or is there just not enough demand for a 738 or 752? I b
48 mayor : OK........clarify something for me.......what is the designation for the 737-700/800? I was thinking that the 700 was the 737G............ Seems that
49 FlyASAGuy2005 : All internal Delta codes but... 737-700 73W 737-800 w/AVOD 73H 737-800 w/o AVOD 738
50 mayor : Thanks, but what is the 73G that is mentioned in the posts above? It seems that they're referring to the -700. If not, I can't see the reason getting
51 FlyASAGuy2005 : 73G is the IATA code for the 737-700 (without winglets).
52 mayor : So, don't all of DL's -700s have winglets, making them 73Ws? DL would have NO 73Gs, then, correct?
53 PSU.DTW.SCE : DL tweaks it schedule down to the week when looking at individual frequencies and equipment. That being said, the main summer schedule runs from 6/1
54 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's correct but it's generally understood that when someone says 73G they simply mean 737-700. Not really getting technical so to speak saying tha
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