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Rumor: DL 73Ws Going To WN?  
User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14470 times:

Any truth to the rumor that the 10 DL 73Ws will be going to Southest as part of the 717 deal? Would make sense for both parties IMHO...

-Atl-Sna seems to be reverting to 757s
-A319s seem to be taking over Atl-sal/sap/mga
-A319s are capable of EYW...no real NEED left for 73Ws at DL...
-Southwest needs to replace 88 717s(at least in part)
-Southwest just deferred 20 738s from Boeing

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User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14463 times:

Ever since the rumors of DL taking the 717 aircraft started, this has been a persistant item of discussion. I don't see this happening.

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14114 times:

Southwest has not purchased any used airplanes in a very long time. The only used planes in the WN fleet are 733s that are all over 20 years old. Also the DL 73Gs are much higher powered than WN 73Gs, which have less thrust and better fuel burn.

I don't see it as impossible, but I'd like to see some more substantiation behind the rumor.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14033 times:

Ummm...WN purchased some used 73G's that belonged to Midway (the RDU one), some European carrier that I can't remember, and one or two that belonged to an auto company.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14024 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
Southwest has not purchased any used airplanes in a very long time.

They have taken a handful of used 73Gs over the past 5 years. 270 and 271 came over from Ford in 2006. 550 and 551 came from S2 in 2007 or so. 552, 554, and 555 are ex-DJ and came around 2010.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
I don't see it as impossible, but I'd like to see some more substantiation behind the rumor.

Agreed. The 319 can do much of what the 73G can do, but, at least at DL, the 73G is somewhat more capable. I'm not ready to say that the 319 can replace the 73G without some more support.



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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13790 times:
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There was no mention of any 737 transaction in the press release announcing the acquisition of the 717 leases. While full terms were not disclosed, any transfer of aircraft from Delta to Southwest would be significant enough that it would have been included in the announcement. Being relieved of the financial commitment of leasing and operating 717s is enough compensation for Southwest in this deal, and I expect that to be where it ends.

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1937 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13666 times:

I think WN will get Boeing slots from DL for 2 reasons. 1) WN pushed back delivery of several -800s for next year... perhaps in anticipation of DL -800s coming our way? Also, perhaps a way to convert those -800s into MAXs for the future? 2) WN said in a press release that they intend on replacing 717 capacity with 737 capacity without adding fleet size. The only way to do that would be to add (just a guess) 20-30 -800s to replace the 88 717s.

WN will be wanting to start up their Hawaii service next year and will need a sizeable ETOPS -800 fleet to get that done. Gary Kelly has said recently that the -800 will be the future of WN, so I don't expect WN to want to reduce their -800 fleet size by so much.



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13552 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):
1) WN pushed back delivery of several -800s for next year... perhaps in anticipation of DL -800s coming our way?

I doubt WN will be getting any aircraft from DL. Also, DL doesn't have any 73W or 738's on order, just 739's.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13540 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
Southwest has not purchased any used airplanes in a very long time.
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):
Ummm...WN purchased some used 73G's that belonged to Midway (the RDU one), some European carrier that I can't remember, and one or two that belonged to an auto company.

They've also taken DJ 73G's in the past as well.


User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 13281 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):
WN will be wanting to start up their Hawaii service next year and will need a sizeable ETOPS -800 fleet to get that done. Gary Kelly has said recently that the -800 will be the future of WN, so I don't expect WN to want to reduce their -800 fleet size by so much

From what SWA has said to it's employees the plan is to use 25 -800s for the Hawaiian market. SWA is getting 33 -800s this year, the deferrals start next year. SWA FltOps Management has also said that SWA will replace the 717s by delaying the retirement of the Classic and buying used NGs. This means that the -800s coming from Boeing this year will be enough for the Hawaiian market and will not be needed to replace the 717s.


User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12681 times:

A bit off topic but does anyone know the status of the DL 737-700 that had the incident (at Atlanta I think?) where mechanics taxied over the edge of a steep bank and damaged the engine and/or wing?

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8534 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12458 times:
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Quoting vaus77w (Reply 10):

- It's back in service.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2316 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12306 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
Southwest has not purchased any used airplanes in a very long time.

Wrong.. SWA has taken delivery of a few second hand A/C within the last few years.

N270WN / N271LV ( 2006 ) - Former Fordair Of Europe

N550WN/ N551WN ( 2007 ) - Former Sahara Air ( India )

N552WN/ N553WN/ N554WN ( 2010/ 2011 ) - Former Virgin Blue ( Australia )

N555LV / N556WN ( 2011 ) - airTran NTU due to WN/ FL merger.

N7714B + ( 2012- ) - Part of the WN/ FL merger

The last 2nd hand 737-300 I believe was N345SA in 1999.

[Edited 2012-05-23 21:52:47]


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12136 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):

TGU and UIO are both 73W only cities. Also JFK-BOG. (ATL -BOG could(and i think is) go back to the 757)

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):

Delta doesn't have any 737-800 slots. 100 orders for 737-900ERs with 30 options pat 2015.

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 10):

been flying for a while



yep.
User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 11889 times:

The rumor around WN is pushing out the planned retirement of 60 younger 737-300 until 2016.
Rumor also in this deal Delta swapping some gates in ATL, DEN and MDW.
ATL swapping C gates for WN D gates giving WN all there gates in the C terminal and WN will rezone all the gates to fit a 737-800 when its done WN will be down to 26 from 32 gates.
DEN along with United giving up some gate space Delta will move to the B gates giving WN all of terminal C.
MDW (another C gate move) Delta moving all it's flights to the 3 gates in terminal C giving WN another 3 gates in terminal A.
Not putting any money into converting any 717's into the WN style is rumored to save WN some were around 200 to 300 million in projected training and MX cost by getting away from the 717.
Win win for Delta and WN..loser is this is the FL 717 pilots.
Wnfg 



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1937 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 11411 times:

Quoting 737tanker (Reply 9):
From what SWA has said to it's employees the plan is to use 25 -800s for the Hawaiian market

WN hasn't said one word to the Employees about Hawaii or any plans relating to Hawaii. Where did WN tell the Employees that (in case I missed it)?"



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 11352 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
DEN along with United giving up some gate space Delta will move to the B gates giving WN all of terminal C.

What gates is UA giving up on concourse B... I thought they were just giving up offices



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 11315 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
ATL swapping C gates for WN D gates giving WN all there gates in the C terminal and WN will rezone all the gates to fit a 737-800 when its done WN will be down to 26 from 32 gates.

That I don't believe, sorry. Logistically, it makes no sense for DL to pack up shop and move everything to D. DCI baggage induction was recently completed and is located on C. The belt runs from B, underground where the old B-C underground walkway was to the C bagroom. EV flight ops and MTC department is on the C ramp. All of these things can be remedied on D but the real estate on C is worth a lot more; to DL at least. I guess time will tell but personally, I think FL will be moving to D if there is such a deal in place.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 11237 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
.loser is this is the FL 717 pilots.

Why? They are moving up to the 737....why is more pay a bad thing?(and in FL's case...much, much, much more pay)

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):

That I don't believe, sorry. Logistically, it makes no sense for DL to pack up shop and move everything to D. DCI baggage induction was recently completed and is located on C. The belt runs from B, underground where the old B-C underground walkway was to the C bagroom. EV flight ops and MTC department is on the C ramp. All of these things can be remedied on D but the real estate on C is worth a lot more; to DL at least. I guess time will tell but personally, I think FL will be moving to D if there is such a deal in place.

agreed. Delta has put to much money into Both C and D IMO but they darn sure didn't just pay to put Jetways on their side of C just to give it up. D is the worst concourse at ATL, I see no way Delta moving its C opps over.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6465 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 15):
WN hasn't said one word to the Employees about Hawaii or any plans relating to Hawaii. Where did WN tell the Employees that (in case I missed it)?"

Many members on this forum keep repeating that WN has announced its service to Hawaii yet are unable to provide an official statement by WN.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7485 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9704 times:

If the A319 can operate to EYW,why doesn't anyone (US,UA) fly them there ?


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9528 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 16):
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
DEN along with United giving up some gate space Delta will move to the B gates giving WN all of terminal C.

What gates is UA giving up on concourse B... I thought they were just giving up offices

That is all UA has said that they will be doing is giving up some back office space...none of the gates are supposed to change.

[Edited 2012-05-24 05:22:02]


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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):
If the A319 can operate to EYW,why doesn't anyone (US,UA) fly them there ?

Delta has had the A319 scheduled to EYW many times. I have flown on it EYW-ATL several times in the past in addition to the 73W. Perhaps the other airlines you mention haven't done so because of the distance from EYW to their hubs? Just a thought. Maybe they're just too long to not take a weight penalty?

[Edited 2012-05-24 06:04:40]


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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

If DL dumps some 737s then it will reduce the number of larger RJs they will be able to get... so if the magic formula matches the increase in mainline aircraft with the 70 large RJs then there is likely no truth to this rumor.


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8635 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 16):
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
DEN along with United giving up some gate space Delta will move to the B gates giving WN all of terminal C.

What gates is UA giving up on concourse B... I thought they were just giving up offices
Quoting United1 (Reply 21):
That is all UA has said that they will be doing is giving up some back office space...none of the gates are supposed to change.

In fact, UA just committed to "grow" in DEN this week. Hard to see how that squares with giving back gates?


User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
Also the DL 73Gs are much higher powered than WN 73Gs, which have less thrust and better fuel burn.

That's likely a software change to derate the engines to what Southwest already has.

IF DAL has intent to sell the -700s to WN, you won't hear anything about it until after this TA is voted on. It would be ridiculous on mgmt's behalf to announce ANY aircraft reductions over what is already lined up at the exit door when you're trying to sell scope relief.


User currently offlineUGA777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8739 times:

I can tell you for a fact that this rumor is not true. I know someone that works in Ops with Delta and they are very happy with the 73G for short field performance routes. He said they are not going anywhere with this deal. He also said the A319 is a great aircraft and has one of the best dispatch reliabilities in the fleet but the 73G was ordered with specific routes in mind and they are favored by passengers on the longer routes because they have AVOD.

User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):
If the A319 can operate to EYW,why doesn't anyone (US,UA) fly them there ?
Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 22):
Delta has had the A319 scheduled to EYW many times. I have flown on it EYW-ATL several times in the past in addition to the 73W. Perhaps the other airlines you mention haven't done so because of the distance from EYW to their hubs? Just a thought. Maybe they're just too long to not take a weight penalty?

Agreed. They could get them there. They just wouldn't be able to take off with enough fuel to get them all the way back to ORD or CLT (maybe?).

I wonder why FL doesn't also fly their 73G's nonstop to ATL to compete more closely with DL on that route. Do they have the lower-thrust versions described earlier that couldn't quite make it out of there with enough fuel to make it to ATL nonstop?

US flies E-jets there instead, which I think are perfect. The 737-700 dumps a lot more people into that tiny airport. Perhaps DL would make due without 73G's in that market by flying four daily 76-seat RJ's instead of 1 73G and two CRJ700's. The new RJ additions would make that more feasible if it isn't already.


User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8111 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
In fact, UA just committed to "grow" in DEN this week. Hard to see how that squares with giving back gates?

Part of the agreement they reached with DEN includes giving up gate space...



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7171 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 28):
Part of the agreement they reached with DEN includes giving up gate space...

Really.... which part? according to anything public it only includes giving up back end space.



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User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 806 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 14):
DEN along with United giving up some gate space Delta will move to the B gates giving WN all of terminal C.

It might be more logical for WN and DL to trade WN's 2 gates on A concourse for DL's gates on C. I don't know if the two A gates are enough gate space for DL's operations, they are kind of small and DL may need more than 2 gates.


User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5573 times:
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DL has at least 5 gates at DEN. I could see them possibly squeezing into 4, but 2 gates on A isn't going to cut it unless another airline also gives up gates.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2099 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5123 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
The belt runs from B, underground where the old B-C underground walkway was to the C bagroom.

That old Eastern Airlines tunnel is gone? Damn. That was a great way to get between the B-C gates. It was desolate down there!


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4008 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4793 times:
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What happened here to this thread being about DL's 73Ws? It's not about DEN B-C gates, squeezing 5 gates into 4 and so on...

Back to topic. I was wondering if anyone knows why DL has swapped their 73Ws for A319s on ATL-MEX? Is it because those flying in this market don't demand the hard product offered on the DL 73Ws? Are they trying to keep the product consistent with AMs?


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 34, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 32):
That old Eastern Airlines tunnel is gone? Damn. That was a great way to get between the B-C gates. It was desolate down there!

Yep. I mean it's still "there" but you can't access it anymore. It's sealed off frompax access and that's where the underground belt from B runs.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 33):
Back to topic. I was wondering if anyone knows why DL has swapped their 73Ws for A319s on ATL-MEX? Is it because those flying in this market don't demand the hard product offered on the DL 73Ws? Are they trying to keep the product consistent with AMs?

Schedule changes pretty often. A 73W on ATL-MEX is a lot of airplane considering DL flights their Baby Boeings non-stop JFK-BOG.. Doesn't mean much of anything and it's most certainly not to mach hard product. They're putting them somewhere else for varying reasons.

A/C pairings is a very complex thing. Based on the summer schedule it may be easier for DL t schedule the 319s t MEX rather than he 73Ws based on where they're coming from.

But back on topic; this is just a rumor. DL is not gving up their 73Ws..



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10395 posts, RR: 14
Reply 35, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 33):
Back to topic. I was wondering if anyone knows why DL has swapped their 73Ws for A319s on ATL-MEX? Is it because those flying in this market don't demand the hard product offered on the DL 73Ws? Are they trying to keep the product consistent with AMs?

I thought the topic was if WN was getting DL's 73Ws?  



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
Atl-Sna seems to be reverting to 757s

Where are you getting this information from?
I checked the schedule for a random day Aug, 22 and the schedule shows all 737-700s.


User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 15):
WN hasn't said one word to the Employees about Hawaii or any plans relating to Hawaii. Where did WN tell the Employees that (in case I missed it)?"


The only thing in writing that I've seen has been from FltOps management, and that concerned getting ETOPs certification and training for Hawaii. The number of aircraft for the Hawaiian service has come verbally from FltOps management that have been out on the line or who come to the daily recurrent pilot classes.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 38, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 36):
Where are you getting this information from?
I checked the schedule for a random day Aug, 22 and the schedule shows all 737-700s.

It goes to 3x 757 for the September schedule change on 9/5. 620 seats to about 540.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 39, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 27):
Perhaps DL would make due without 73G's in that market by flying four daily 76-seat RJ's instead of 1 73G and two CRJ700's.

two things.
1) 2x 73W 1x CR7.
2) if they could make 4x CR9/E75 work better don't you think they would do so? You are talking about going from 33F to 48F and 280Y to 256Y. So this is a pretty big difference for a Florida city. My guess is the only good it would do is allow for more upgrades.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 32):

That old Eastern Airlines tunnel is gone? Damn. That was a great way to get between the B-C gates. It was desolate down there!

yep. Its still around but has a bag belt in it.

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 36):

changes after the summer season. 5 daily down to 3 daily.



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1937 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Quoting 737tanker (Reply 37):
Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 15):
WN hasn't said one word to the Employees about Hawaii or any plans relating to Hawaii. Where did WN tell the Employees that (in case I missed it)?"


The only thing in writing that I've seen has been from FltOps management, and that concerned getting ETOPs certification and training for Hawaii. The number of aircraft for the Hawaiian service has come verbally from FltOps management that have been out on the line or who come to the daily recurrent pilot classes.

Oh, ok. 25 planes sounds good. WN will have that number of ETOPS -800s by this year, leaving all of 2013s deliveries for Mainland redeyes, longhauls, and Caribbean.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12136 posts, RR: 51
Reply 41, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 33):
I was wondering if anyone knows why DL has swapped their 73Ws for A319s on ATL-MEX?
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
A 73W on ATL-MEX is a lot of airplane considering DL flights their Baby Boeings non-stop JFK-BOG..


Correct, DL uses their B-73Gs on both routes because the B-73G has better range and has better high/hot performance than the B-73H/W. IIRC, DL has about 10 B-73Gs with winglets. So they don't need the A-319s, which are a lot older and the B-73Gs are only about 5 years old.

[Edited 2012-05-27 06:48:48]

[Edited 2012-05-27 06:49:12]

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 41):
So they don't need the A-319s, which are a lot older and the B-73Gs are only about 5 years old.

Age does not matter, especially with DL/NW   Sometimes it even makes sense to sell newer planes to get money instead of older ones. AUA sold their A330/A340s and kept their 767s which were older.

I don´t know if there is any merit in this rumor but selling their 73Gs could make sense for both parties DL and SW. SW is getting rid of their 717s and would need more 737s anyway.



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User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

If DL does get rid of its 73G's, will the 757's take over the JFK-BOG route or is it more likely to be an A319?


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6119 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Apart from TGU, EYW, BOG and MEX....where else does the DL's 73G make it to?


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 45, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 44):

UIO, SNA(for now) then some domestic turns out of ATL. ATL-JFK/EWR I think are geting them right now, I have seen them go to DCA/IAD/CLE/IND and others.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4008 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2129 times:
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Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 36):
Where are you getting this information from?
I checked the schedule for a random day Aug, 22 and the schedule shows all 737-700s.

DTWLAX, check June and July dates for SNA-ATL as well. I see on delta.com, the majority of these flights will be 757s with 2 73Ws in the mix. This makes sense due to the busy summer season. I think the date you're looking at in August is at the tail end of the Summer schedule and it may already be reverting back to the slower Fall schedule. It seems each year, the Summer season gets shorter.

Quoting CO764 (Reply 43):
If DL does get rid of its 73G's, will the 757's take over the JFK-BOG route or is it more likely to be an A319?

I don't think we'll see DL send the A319 on JFK/ATL-BOG. That's a international South American market and the A319s don't have the updated cabins the 73Ws and 757s they send to Northern South America. I think we'll see DL upgauge JFK/ATL-BOG to a 757 during the high season on each end as well as during the Winter Holidays, then will go back to a 73W.


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 45):
UIO, SNA(for now) then some domestic turns out of ATL. ATL-JFK/EWR I think are geting them right now, I have seen them go to DCA/IAD/CLE/IND and others.

Why is the 738 used on routes to UIO? Is it a restriciton because of altitude/runway length, or is there just not enough demand for a 738 or 752? I believe DCA/IAD/CLE/IND are destinations for which DL substitutes 738s and other aircraft based on demand. I don't think there's any technical reason why DL needs the 73Gs on those routes. Therefore if the 73Ws are transferred to another airlines I think that DL would have no problem using other aircraft on those routes.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 46):
the A319s don't have the updated cabins the 73Ws and 757s they send to Northern South America

Does DL use Airbus A320 family aircraft on any international routes? It seems to me that they preferred sending 73Ws (possibly 73Gs also?) and 738s internationally instead of A319s and A320s.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 45):
UIO


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10395 posts, RR: 14
Reply 48, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

OK........clarify something for me.......what is the designation for the 737-700/800?


I was thinking that the 700 was the 737G............

Quoting laca773 (Reply 46):
It seems each year, the Summer season gets shorter.

Seems that now that there are no more printed timetables, scheduling is more flexible. Used to be that there were two major schedule changes, at the time change in spring and fall and some smaller ones around Labor Day, Thanksgiving, after the first of the year and around Memorial Day.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 49, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 48):
I was thinking that the 700 was the 737G............

All internal Delta codes but...

737-700 73W
737-800 w/AVOD 73H
737-800 w/o AVOD 738



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10395 posts, RR: 14
Reply 50, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 49):
All internal Delta codes but...

737-700 73W
737-800 w/AVOD 73H
737-800 w/o AVOD 738

Thanks, but what is the 73G that is mentioned in the posts above? It seems that they're referring to the -700. If not, I can't see the reason getting rid of the -700s, as they are needed for those hot and high markets, which is why DL bought them.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 51, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 50):
Thanks, but what is the 73G that is mentioned in the posts above?

73G is the IATA code for the 737-700 (without winglets).



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10395 posts, RR: 14
Reply 52, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 51):
73G is the IATA code for the 737-700 (without winglets).

So, don't all of DL's -700s have winglets, making them 73Ws? DL would have NO 73Gs, then, correct?



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 53, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 48):
Seems that now that there are no more printed timetables, scheduling is more flexible. Used to be that there were two major schedule changes, at the time change in spring and fall and some smaller ones around Labor Day, Thanksgiving, after the first of the year and around Memorial Day.

DL tweaks it schedule down to the week when looking at individual frequencies and equipment.

That being said, the main summer schedule runs from 6/1 - 8/15. There is a significant pull-down in the schedule that kicks in around 8/15, which coincides with when many of the schools start to go back and is the end of the summer vacation season.

Quoting mayor (Reply 52):
So, don't all of DL's -700s have winglets, making them 73Ws? DL would have NO 73Gs, then, correct?

All of DL's 737-700s are 73Ws


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 54, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 52):

That's correct but it's generally understood that when someone says 73G they simply mean 737-700. Not really getting technical so to speak saying that DL has 737s w/o winglets.



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