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SQ Flights To JNB - Money Maker?  
User currently offlineThai744 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 7026 times:
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Just wondering now that SQ have cut Abu Dhabi and Athens if their JNB service was under the microscope as well?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I noticed that SQ uses their older 777-200 aircraft on this sector with the "old" Krisworld etc (in Y class at least), so I can't see it's a premium sector for them.

Does anyone know what the load factors are like on these flights? Is there much business traffic between SIN and JNB or is it all tourist traffic connecting through from Australia? And is there much of a cargo market between the two centres?

Thanks if anyone can shed some light on the situation.

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User currently offlineweebie From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

Heaps of South African expats and tourists in Singapore. I've only known 1 person who has gone to South Africa from Australia via an asian port.

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 6958 times:

The 772ERs used on the JNB sector are fitted with Spacebeds in J , same seat as what was on the now retired 744 fleet.

Quoting Thai744 (Thread starter):
Is there much business traffic between SIN and JNB or is it all tourist traffic connecting through from Australia? And is there much of a cargo market between the two centres?

Not sure but I doubt that much of it would be Australian traffic, more likely other parts of Asia, probably some NZ traffic would go through Asia aswell.

Do SQ Cargo fly to JNB?


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 6916 times:

Quoting weebie (Reply 1):
Heaps of South African expats and tourists in Singapore. I've only known 1 person who has gone to South Africa from Australia via an asian port.

I've done SYD-KUL-JNB twice so you can count me and my partner as numbers 2 and 3 that you now know to have done Aus - asia - South Africa


User currently offlineThai744 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 6833 times:
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
The 772ERs used on the JNB sector are fitted with Spacebeds in J , same seat as what was on the now retired 744 fleet.

So, in economy is it the older-style economy with no AVOD ??
Or have these been re-fitted with the newer Krisworld?


User currently offlineSA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 6757 times:
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SQ and CX are the main Asian carriers out of JNB they are the only ones with daily flights. MH pulled out and im not sure how TG are doing on the route. If one carrier was going to give i personally would think it would be TG.

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

Quoting Thai744 (Reply 4):
So, in economy is it the older-style economy with no AVOD ??

It's AVOD, but not the new Krisworld. Unless things have changed recently (don't think those planes have had any refitting)

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

Quoting Thai744 (Reply 4):
So, in economy is it the older-style economy with no AVOD ??
Or have these been re-fitted with the newer Krisworld?

They have AVOD! And i'd have thought the Krisworld system would have been updated in them.


User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 6600 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):

Yes, a lot of NZ-SA traffic goes through Asia as on both SQ AKL-SIN flights i have flown, there have been numerous people connecting onto the SIN-JNB service.

Off topic but I also know of a few Kiwis and Aussies who have flown as far north as the Middle East on EK & QR to connect to South Africa


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 6277 times:

Quoting SA744 (Reply 5):
SQ and CX are the main Asian carriers out of JNB they are the only ones with daily flights.

EK doesn't fly to JNB daily?


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 6267 times:
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Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
EK doesn't fly to JNB daily?

Since when did EK became Asia instead of the Middle East??


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User currently offlinepoLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Since when did EK became Asia instead of the Middle East??

Well technically they are Asian, although I know that is not what SA744 had in mind when he made his original comment.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

Quoting Thai744 (Thread starter):
SQ Flights To JNB - Money Maker?

You can but speculate unless you work within a relevant department at SQ.



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User currently offlineHDA212 From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2012, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

There are passengers ex-Australia even willing to travel all the way to DXB to connect on EK to JNB. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are passengers going to JNB from Australia via Asia

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 4960 times:
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With only Cathay and Singapore going to J'berg from Asia, plus SAA, the market should allow fares to rise with Thai and Malaysia out of the market.

User currently offlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 248 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):

The 772ERs used on the JNB sector are fitted with Spacebeds in J , same seat as what was on the now retired 744 fleet.
Quoting Thai744 (Reply 4):
So, in economy is it the older-style economy with no AVOD ??
Or have these been re-fitted with the newer Krisworld?
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
It's AVOD, but not the new Krisworld. Unless things have changed recently (don't think those planes have had any refitting)

The 77E's (9V-SV* series) used on the route feature the old AVOD system with the 5" screens in Y. They are slated for refurbishment and will receive the new user interface whist maintaining the existing system. The refurbishment will include increasing the Y screens to 9" displays and installing the new regional business class (already on previously refurbished 772's and 333's).

The new KrisWorld system (Panasonic eX 2 on 10" screens) is limited to the 333, 388 and 77W fleets.



Would you like fries with that? I didn't think so.
User currently offlinesa7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3443 times:
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Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 15):
The new KrisWorld system (Panasonic eX 2 on 10" screens) is limited to the 333, 388 and 77W fleets.

Thanks for that info SIA747Megatop - much appreciated! SIA just needs to keep that horrible 388 / 77W business class hard product off the 77E's please?  



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User currently offlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 248 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Quoting sa7700 (Reply 16):
Thanks for that info SIA747Megatop - much appreciated! SIA just needs to keep that horrible 388 / 77W business class hard product off the 77E's please?  

No problem!   I actually like the long haul business class seat! The airline's made some minor changes to it recently.

As for which seat will be fitted on the 77E's, it's currently only speculation but discussions among enthusiasts here suggest they will be fitted with the regional seats as the 77E's will prove to be uneconomical in such a low density outfit.

The other argument is that these aircraft will continue to operate long haul sectors where the aircraft is more economical and will therefore receive the long haul product. Rumour is the airline will launch a new set of business and first class products on the new 77W's next year.

Either way, I hope to see a new product heading your way sometime soon!  



Would you like fries with that? I didn't think so.
User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):

Since when did EK became Asia instead of the Middle East??

Actually EK can be considered an Asian carrier as the middle east is part of Asia. Sure it is not East Asia or South east Asia but it is part of Asia are India, Pakistan etc.


User currently offlinecv990coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
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The SQ 772 looks so small on the tarmac next to the EK 77W and the SAA 346's. A pity I used to like seeing the SQ744 Bigtops so often. I guess this is an example of how things have changed.EK/QR/EY are not only biting into the traffic of QF/BA/AF/LH in various parts of the world I think it is effecting SQ/ MH/ TG and probably CX. For SQ from South Africa it isn't only the SA/Aussie NZ market it is also the SA Far East market that they have lost some of to EK/QR/EY.


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User currently offlineoscarsmc From South Africa, joined Nov 2010, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
EK doesn't fly to JNB daily?

EK has 3 Daily flights to JNB including the A388


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

I just did a random search for fares MEL-JNB return in August:

SQ: $1848 SIN: 23 hours westbound
EK: $1892 DXB: 26 hours westbound
QF: $2585 PER (SA codeshare): 18 hours westbound
QR: $2814
EY: $2922

SQ and EK have a very large cost saving, for a time penalty, although via SIN not as bad as via DXB, AUH or DOH.



EK, EY & QR make sense if you're flying somewhere like EBB or NBO


[Edited 2012-05-25 04:51:57]

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Since when did EK became Asia instead of the Middle East??

When I went to school we were never thought about a Middle East continent. Maybe that's new.
Nevertheless, the topic is traffic between JNB and Asia so EK is very much a competitor in that market, on top of the likes of SQ, MH, TG.

Quoting oscarsmc (Reply 20):
EK has 3 Daily flights to JNB including the A388

Thank you. And apparently so do QR and EY. Probably one reason why the other carriers are no longer doing as good as they once did. I remember when SQ used to fly their then flagship 744 on this route.


User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 722 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

This flight is almost always full and sold at close to full fare most of the time whenever I've looked at it. I think that they make money with the route. I avoid it because of the seat. I have a friend who uses QR frequently, he tells me that their fares are 30% lower in C class, but schedule not as convenient. He's very happy with that.

User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
With only Cathay and Singapore going to J'berg from Asia, plus SAA, the market should allow fares to rise with Thai and Malaysia out of the market.

Jet Airways also operate Mumbai - Johannesburg.


25 SA7700 : We are merely talking about regions not continents. In this topic it is the fact of the matter. Rgds SA7700
26 boeing773W : Jet Airways is suspending service to JNB effective 12 Jun 2012.
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