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Airbus To Offer Wider Seats For Obese On A320  
User currently offlineSandgroper From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12525 times:

As article is stating with 1/3 of US population obese, and most probably Australia,UK etc this could be a lucrative offer for airlines:

Quote: "The company offers two 50-centimetre seats either side of the A320's single aisle instead of three 45cm seats either side." Taking advantage of the wider airframe than a 737.

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/travel/tra...-20120525-1z8t8.html#ixzz1vsarP2Vt


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12430 times:

Hmmm, I'm not entirely sure what the story is here...

I have to agree with this "readers comment":

QUOTE: "So the A320 has 3 seats each side of the aisle, the same as the 737. Business class (first class in the US) has 2 seats either side of the aisle, which is exactly what's being offered here. The only difference will be the leg room - think business class seats with economy class leg room. Any airline can specify the configuration of seats on its planes. This is hardly a news story, except a beat up of overweight passengers yet again."


If the airlines perceived whatever problem it is Airbus claims to be rectifying then they could easily have fixed it. And they can still do it equally effectively on a 737!?!

If Airbus were saying that they could stretch the seats wider in a 3-3 config then, sure, that might be a story. But 2-2???

Have I missed something?



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12193 times:

What the article is saying is that you will have

45-45-50 and 50-45-45 in the cabin



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7498 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12106 times:

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
Taking advantage of the wider airframe than a 737.

Remind me again how much wider the A320 is over the 737.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
What the article is saying is that you will have

45-45-50 and 50-45-45 in the cabin

I'm still confused, since the 737 seats more than the A320 by being longer if an airline opts to use the same seats they would beat those numbers, unless these are special seats that can only be installed on the A320?


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12049 times:

Jetblue & Virgin America first to offer these seats?

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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2899 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11941 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 3):
Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
What the article is saying is that you will have

45-45-50 and 50-45-45 in the cabin

I'm still confused, since the 737 seats more than the A320 by being longer if an airline opts to use the same seats they would beat those numbers, unless these are special seats that can only be installed on the A320?

The 320's cabin is wider by about 7 in (or 17.5 cm), so it is more feasible to fit two extra-wide (50 cm or 20 in) seats per row in an A320 than in a 737.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3568 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11923 times:

How about configuring the Y cabin as 3 by 3 with only the last 1-2 rows having the 2 x 2 configuration with the wider seats. Charge a premium for the wider seats (less than the cost of two Y tickets) and make it an option only available at the gate. That way there will always be some sort of screening prior to boarding should an obese passenger require the seat. This also means they cannot all be bought up before the flight by passengers who are not obese/requiring the extra room.


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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2899 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11884 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 6):
How about configuring the Y cabin as 3 by 3 with only the last 1-2 rows having the 2 x configuration with the wider seats.

I don't think the proposal is about a 2 + 2 configuration in economy, but about a 3 + 3 configuration in which 2 of the 6 seats are extra wide (20 in instead of 17 in), making use of the extra 7 inches in the 320 cabin with respect to the 737. Airlines could still charge a premium for those seats.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11882 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
What the article is saying is that you will have

45-45-50 and 50-45-45 in the cabin

Are you sure?

The article says: "The company offers two 50-centimetre seats either side of the A320's single aisle instead of three 45cm seats either side." ---> to me that means 2-2 as opposed to 3-3



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2899 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11868 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 8):
The article says: "The company offers two 50-centimetre seats either side of the A320's single aisle instead of three 45cm seats either side." ---> to me that means 2-2 as opposed to 3-3

That doesn't make much sense since 50+50 = 100 and 45+45+45 = 135. What happens with those extra 35 cm??



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11844 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 9):
That doesn't make much sense since 50+50 = 100 and 45+45+45 = 135. What happens with those extra 35 cm??

That was my thinking at the outset... maybe bestwestern is right and the journo who wrote the article got the wrong end of the stick



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User currently offlineLostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11779 times:

I though they meant a 2-3 seating, like an MD-80.


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9100 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11772 times:
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It is a thought, but the problem is, you get a lot less seats into the airplane, so does it make sense for an airline to offer that? Either these seats have to be far more expensive or it won't happen. Airline won't simply remove many seats out of an airplane without any form of compensation.

I am sure many other people want to sit on these seats as well, as you have simply more private space for yourself.

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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2899 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11738 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 12):
It is a thought, but the problem is, you get a lot less seats into the airplane, so does it make sense for an airline to offer that?

Nope. I believe, as mentioned by bestwestern above, that this is about a 17 in - 17 in - 20 in - aisle - 20 in - 17 in - 17 in configuration, with no loss of seats.



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User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11716 times:

I think Air Transport World makes it much easyer to understand:

"The current standard A320 economy seat is 18 in. wide compared to the 17-in. Boeing 737 seat. In a 3-3 configuration, the A320 Extra Wide Seat would be 20 in. wide, while each middle and window seat would be narrowed to match the standard 17-in. 737 seat."

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...-carriers-eye-wider-a320-seat-0524

So instead of 6 18-inch seats, Airbus would reduce the width to 17 inches, except for the aisle seat on each side which would be 20 inches wide. Math makes sense to the last inch, calculate yourself.

[Edited 2012-05-25 06:15:16]

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9100 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11688 times:
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Quoting UALWN (Reply 13):
Nope. I believe, as mentioned by bestwestern above, that this is about a 17 in - 17 in - 20 in - aisle - 20 in - 17 in - 17 in configuration, with no loss of seats.

I see what you mean. Then it should work. But I am sure airlines will charge extra for the wider seat. Like some do already for emergency exit row...

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User currently offlinemikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11629 times:

I'd rather get a double armrest on the middle seats so no one has to share.

User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5132 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 11585 times:

Quoting PezySPU (Reply 14):
So instead of 6 18-inch seats, Airbus would reduce the width to 17 inches, except for the aisle seat on each side which would be 20 inches wide. Math makes sense to the last inch, calculate yourself.

That makes sense. They can call them the Fresno seats, and charge a premium for them.



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 11559 times:

Didn't Austrian have a wider middle seat in the past?


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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7498 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 11521 times:

Quoting PezySPU (Reply 14):
So instead of 6 18-inch seats, Airbus would reduce the width to 17 inches, except for the aisle seat on each side which would be 20 inches wide.

Now the problem becomes that the majority of pax on the a/c will now be sitting in smaller 17" seats same as on the "cramped" 737, how does one then sell the wider fuse as a benefit?


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12856 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 11460 times:

Quoting PezySPU (Reply 14):
In a 3-3 configuration, the A320 Extra Wide Butt Seat would be 20 in. wide, while each middle and window seat would be narrowed to match the standard 17-in. 737 seat.

Great news! I think I'll have waffles with strawberries and whipped cream for breakfast, and head over to the buffet for lunch!  
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 15):
I see what you mean. Then it should work.

Yes, but it may become the airline equivalent of the "short bus" - there may be a stigma attached to using the "fattie" seat.



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User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 11458 times:

This story was being reported by Flight International during the Interiors show back in February:

http://www.emagazine.flightinternati...com/1W4f34ef330ca49012.cde/page/10


User currently offlinecanadianpylon From Canada, joined May 2003, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 11391 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 4):
Jetblue & Virgin America first to offer these seats?

According to SeatGuru, Virgin America seats are a non-standard 19.7" wide already. JetBlue uses a more conventional 17.8"...



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User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1303 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 11326 times:

If you want wider seats or just 2 on each side it already exists, it's called F class...

Next thing you know airlines will move F to the back and call it Economy For Larger Customers!  

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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 11278 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 5):
The 320's cabin is wider by about 7 in (or 17.5 cm), so it is more feasible to fit two extra-wide (50 cm or 20 in) seats per row in an A320 than in a 737.

Does that still hold true for the newer 737s? I'm under the impression that the newer interiors are wider by placing the plastic fittings(don't know the technical term) closer to the exterior of the airplane.


25 airbazar : Of course they will, that's the whole point. i don't believe for a second that they will give these wider seats away for "free" just because someone
26 LHCVG : Exactly! It's basically "Super E+" - granted they didn't discuss legroom, but imagine how you could choose standard Y seat (width and pitch), E+ (ext
27 seabosdca : I'm not obese at all and I'd pay extra for a 20" seat. My shoulders are wider than 17" and are always getting in my neighbors' way. This is a compelli
28 superjeff : Still nothing new. Many manufacturers, including Bombardier, offer seats where the centre seat is wider than the window or aisle. This includes sever
29 HNLsurfer : id also pay extra for more room and im not obese. They need to put obese people on a boat instead.
30 Post contains images AApilot2b : This would be a point worth mentioning if they offered a couple of treadmills per row. However, a wider seat for obese passengers while the seat is na
31 cschleic : Exactly. Since they'd be isle seats, the airlines could charge even more for them, and plenty of people probably would pay for it just for more room.
32 gigneil : Yeah. The thing here is not "Fat Americans". Its a economy plus offering that is in superior in several dimensions, not just one. You're missing the p
33 odwyerpw : I really like this idea. It is a clever way for Airbus to use the A320 wider fuselage advantage. I'm never interesed in purchasing economy plus becua
34 par13del : Yeah but if the post below is accurate, 4 persons are going from 18" to 17" seats to accomodate 2 persons in 20" they would be loosing comfort not ga
35 Post contains images rwessel : Would these come with an umbrella drink?
36 Roseflyer : The article states that Airbus is offering wider seats. In reality, I think this is a marketing push by Airbus which is a good one. Their cabin is wid
37 odwyerpw : Of course they are!! And why not? Their (Airbus - 320) narrowbody can accomodate customers of size in coach while maintianing a similar level of comf
38 Revelation : I'm glad to hear your shoulders are not wider than your tuchus, it's not healthy. Sadly, that wasn't the case for the woman I was sat next to for fou
39 Roseflyer : It wouldn't surprise me if they were doing it as part of their negotiations. They just aren't as public. John Leahy and Airbus love press.
40 Post contains images francoflier : I agree. So now, the average joe who manages to not wet his pants at the sight of a doughnut has to sacrifice seat width (for the same money) because
41 odwyerpw : It's an english expression used in the united states to describe optimistic people.... When an Optimist encounters a pile of poop, he jumps in, begin
42 Post contains images platinumfoota : Airbus should also start thinking of making a wider over the wing exit for these customers
43 UALWN : They would. But the Airbus point would be that if they were on a 737 their seat would be 17"-wide anyway.... Which is actually inaccurate since airli
44 Post contains images babybus : That's a really good suggestion. The last row on a BA A320 juts out across the galley access. If you are sitting there the trolley always bumps you o
45 seabosdca : Just to clarify... I was talking from an airline revenue perspective, not a passenger perspective. To date, the airlines haven't been able to derive
46 Post contains images rcair1 : You have to be very careful with this. While I agree that many people (and many Americans) are overweight - the definition of "obese" has been politi
47 UA772IAD : I was always under the impression that seats were manufactured by a third party and shipped to the factory and installed by the aircraft manufacturer
48 billreid : Rediculous. If you don't fit in a Y seat then buy the larger seat in the front cabin. No need for this stupidity.
49 Post contains links and images solnabo : From Heraldnet: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120525/BLOG01/120529832 Cheers
50 Viscount724 : Or buy two Y seats which in many cases will be cheaper than one F or J seat.
51 bestwestern : This is nothing to do with Obese - its all to do with airlines finding an extra way to make $10 from Aisle seat passengers. The aisle is already the m
52 Roseflyer : Yes. The airlines contract with the seat suppliers. The biggest three are Weber, B/E Aerospace and Recaro. The airlines negotiate with the manufactur
53 Post contains images rcair1 :
54 Post contains images lightsaber : Does anyone really think a 20" seat would be free? More and more airlines sell isle seats as a premium 'as is.' If the isle seat was 3" wider than the
55 cloudboy : I think the report itself is a bunch of mud slinging name calling. I don't think Airbus is marketing this as an obese thing, that is just the newspape
56 Revelation : Last time I booked, JetBlue got an extra $50 for 4 inches of legroom, for each leg of the trip. I wonder how they'd factor it in? Your comment makes
57 cloudboy : I think that is assuming it was Airbus who went to the newspapers on this one. I tend to think it is the newspapers/magazines who go out hunting for
58 billreid : Right on.
59 Revelation : Good point, it could have been an airline or a vendor leaking the story. How do you downsell the one inch you're taking away from the other 4 seats i
60 ajd1992 : Forgive me, but surely the best answer is to lose some weight? You know it's bad when plane manufacturers are offering fat seats.
61 mogandoCI : Even if an airline offers it, how do you price it? If based on supply and demand then only the rich would get the better seat. Problem still exist. If
62 rcair1 : It won't be. This is just about revenue. They will charge more for the wider seats. Nothing more, nothing less.
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