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Colgan To Fly For Air Canada?  
User currently offlinevoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

Curious document/decision here. Some ambiguous wording.....
www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/194-a-2012


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23151 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

As Condition No. 6 of the decision should make clear, the decision pertains to codeshares. I'm not sure what you see that makes you think that either carrier would be operating in AC colors as opposed to UA or US colors (or, in the case of the SF3s, 9L house colors).


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User currently offlinecanadianpylon From Canada, joined May 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting voodoo (Thread starter):
Curious document/decision here. Some ambiguous wording.....
www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/194-a-2012

From the link... "Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 60(1)(b) of the CTA and section 8.2 of the ATR, approves the use by Air Canada of aircraft and flight crew provided by Colgan and CommutAir, and the provision by Colgan and CommutAir of such aircraft and flight crew to Air Canada, to permit Air Canada to provide its scheduled international services on licensed routes between Canada and the United States of America by selling transportation in its own name on flights operated by Colgan and CommutAir between Canada and the United States of America, including between points in the United States of America, for an indefinite period from the date of this Decision."

It sure looks like Air Canada has applied to use flights on Colgan and CommutAir for flights between Canada and the United States and within the United States on AC flight numbers.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23151 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 2):
It sure looks like Air Canada has applied to use flights on Colgan and CommutAir for flights between Canada and the United States and within the United States on AC flight numbers.

Right - but what in there suggests that this is anything other than placing AC flight numbers on existing UA* and US* flying?



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3039 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

My understanding is that this is part of the AC/UA rationalization of transborder flights. Some will operate as UA flights with AC codeshares, and others will be AC flights with UA codeshares.


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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 4):
My understanding is that this is part of the AC/UA rationalization of transborder flights. Some will operate as UA flights with AC codeshares, and others will be AC flights with UA codeshares.

I thought that they already did this on some flights between YYZ and EWR. How would this be different?



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3039 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

It means that 9L can legally operate AC flights with UA codeshare. Right now they can only operate UA flights with AC codeshare.


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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5061 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 5):

I thought that they already did this on some flights between YYZ and EWR. How would this be different?

I think the big difference, is that this is of CO origin, as opposed to UA origin. And as the CO/UA merger continues, there will be further rationalizations in these code-shares.

But everyone here is accurate, in that no new flights will result, just that the AC code-share will now be added to some Colgan flights.



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User currently onlinedrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

As a AC is publicly traded company a major deal with a new carrier would be announced via a public filing -- one would never just stumble upon it via a Canadian Transportation Agency document.

User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6029 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 7):
But everyone here is accurate, in that no new flights will result, just that the AC code-share will now be added to some Colgan flights.

What remains unanswered is the possibility that AC could through this code-share use Colgan for much of their regional trans-border flying. The thinking being Colgan cycling back and forth to USA destinations via YYZ,ie,CLE-YYZ-DTW,etc. That's assuming Colgan is under a CPA with UA on the trans-border flights and AC is just code-sharing.


User currently offlinepolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

This is nothing more than standard code-sharing procedures. Don't read anything more into this. There is no major shift going to Colgan or any other carrier!

User currently offline9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Plus I hate to rain on your parade, but after 2012 9L will no longer exist. I know that as fact...


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User currently offlineCRJ 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Well that'll be interesting because the OLA will be applicable to Colgan as well so unless they're gonna teach their FAs to speak french I doubt this will happen. Should the government exempt Colgan then Jazz should have grounds for exclusion as well..

User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3039 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting CRJ 900 (Reply 12):
Well that'll be interesting because the OLA will be applicable to Colgan as well

No. The Official Languages Act only applies to subsidiaries, as defined in The Air Canada Public Participation Act. Hence it doesn't apply to LH, NZ, UA or any other codeshare partner.



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User currently offlineCRJ 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Correct for code share, now if they were a CPA like Jazz it would most def be applicable...that's what I meant. If this is code share, then who cares.  

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