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BA A318 London-New York Private Flight?  
User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 962 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18894 times:

At flightradar24 I see a British Airways Airbus A318 (G-EUNA) flying from London to New York (over Maine now). Are these transatlantic routes with such small planes private flights?

[Edited 2012-05-25 12:28:51]

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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18905 times:

No - they are all business class flights on A318s from London City to JFK via Shannon

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9696 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18918 times:

Are you talking about LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY BA A318 route that is served twice daily? LCY is a small airport that can only serve regional airplanes, so the A318 is about the only airplane that can fly transatlantic from that airport with commercial passenger loads and requires a fuel stop one way.

[Edited 2012-05-25 12:28:49]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18892 times:

Its the BA LCY-JFK service , stops in SNN for immigration then onto JFK .

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/cwlcexp/public/en_gb


User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18847 times:

Indeed LCY-SNN-JFK, flight BA1. Thanks for the information.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25852 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18852 times:

Quoting Owleye (Thread starter):
At flightradar24 I see a British Airways Airbus A318 flying from London to New York (over Maine now). Are these transatlantic routes with such small planes private flights?

BA has been operating LCY-JFK twice daily (except weekends) with their two all-J class A318s for almost 3 years (September 2009). Westbound flight makes a fuel stop at SNN where passengers also pre-clear U.S. immigration and customs. Eastbound flights are nonstop.

I'm sure you'll find quite a few other threads on this service if you do a search.


User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18824 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Eastbound flights are nonstop

Of course, tailwind.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25852 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18723 times:

Quoting Owleye (Reply 6):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Eastbound flights are nonstop

Of course, tailwind.

It's not related to winds. The westbound flight requires a fuel stop due to the short runway at LCY (4,948 ft).


User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 727 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18574 times:

Do you think that they'll ever allow this flight to go LCY/LGA? Since it clears immigration in Ireland,it should be doable?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25852 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18500 times:

Quoting PVG (Reply 8):
Do you think that they'll ever allow this flight to go LCY/LGA? Since it clears immigration in Ireland,it should be doable?

Not permitted due to the LGA "perimeter rule". Except for LGA-DEN (and on Saturday) LGA is restricted to nonstop flights not exceeding 1,500 miles.


User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18473 times:

Quoting PVG (Reply 8):
Do you think that they'll ever allow this flight to go LCY/LGA? Since it clears immigration in Ireland,it should be doable?

No, there is a 1500nm perimeter rule (with the exception of Saturdays and DEN) for LGA, and there is no way an exception would be made for a flight to London as long as no US city outside the perimeter has service there (except, again, DEN). That is not taking into account any performance limitations out of LGA due to its shorter runways as well.


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3333 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18239 times:

In addtion to the perimiter rule, BA have lounges and staff in JFK - why start operations to yet another NYC airport?


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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8171 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17547 times:

Feels like a private plane. Recently flew BA 3 to NY, load was five pax (inc me). Capt's welcome aboard PA started with, "Gentlemen..." Of course he was right: all five of us were men.


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8465 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17435 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):

I flew it last year and it seems a lot better than the club experience ex-LHR (possibly because they use LGW crews on this flight)


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16561 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
I flew it last year and it seems a lot better than the club experience ex-LHR (possibly because they use LGW crews on this flight)

LGW crew are no better or worse then LHR crew!



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15509 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
I flew it last year and it seems a lot better than the club experience ex-LHR (possibly because they use LGW crews on this flight)

Probably due to the fact that LGW crews are trained to work on Airbus A32X and work longhaul as well.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13590 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 14):
LGW crew are no better or worse then LHR crew!

They very much are IMHO. They are younger, more keen and enthusiastic, not so drained of life as BASSA / Euro FLeet.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13117 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):
They very much are IMHO. They are younger, more keen and enthusiastic, not so drained of life as BASSA / Euro FLeet.

Always had fantastic crew on the LGW flights . Maybe the ''drained'' issue you mention is a reason.


User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12990 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):

You've obviously not come across any of the numerous former DanAir Senior Cabin Crew (Cabin Managers/Pursers) who make me as an LHR Purser with a mere 17 years of seniority look like a young whippersnapper (I'm in the top 30% seniority on LHR Euro).

BAs customer customer satisfaction surveys show LHR EF crew to score equally, if not higher than LGW crew.

What have BASSA got to do with this???

[Edited 2012-05-26 05:59:07]


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User currently offlineplanefixer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11841 times:

A big amount of the "old" senior crew from LGW moved up to LHR before SF came into force at LGW, that was the choice - move to LHR and keep your terms & conditions on WW fleet, or stay at LGW and work the SF terms & conditions.

I also much prefer the LGW crew, they are a breath of fresh air. My last trip with BA was to Los Angeles, and I deliberately chose to fly from LGW-MCO and then connect the next day with American to Santa Ana and drive to LA. Did the same coming back, flew LAX-MCO and then back to LGW as I have never had a "bad" experience with the crew, unlike my longhaul trips from LHR where the majority have had some kind of crew issue.

I was hoping to experience the new Mixed Fleet crew on my next trip to Chicago, but opted for a direct flight from MAN instead, to try and avoid the immigration queues.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

Seems we have swung off the original topic...

Does the A320 service replace what was once served by the Concorde...? Think about it the Concorde was J/C only...

EK413



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User currently offlineplanefixer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11330 times:

Nothing can replace Concorde time wise. This is a totally different concept. Small plane, small number of passengers who each get a flat bed. Passengers arrive in NYC as domestic passengers, so no customs or immigration

The flight numbers are the same as the old Concorde service but thats about it.


User currently offlinewoodentom From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10512 times:

Apologies if this is off topic slighlty but assuming doing customs at Shannon is quicker and easier than customs in JFK then has BA or any other airline not thought about the Shannon stopover/ customs as an idea for other flights.

I would have thought avoiding customs at JFK or any other US city and arriving as a domestic passenger would be a good thing and people may wish be willing to pay more for the flight to include this?


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10385 times:

Quoting woodentom (Reply 22):
Apologies if this is off topic slighlty but assuming doing customs at Shannon is quicker and easier than customs in JFK then has BA or any other airline not thought about the Shannon stopover/ customs as an idea for other flights.

I would have thought avoiding customs at JFK or any other US city and arriving as a domestic passenger would be a good thing and people may wish be willing to pay more for the flight to include this?

Yes and no. When only 32 business class pax are going through immigration, it's quicker and easier. If a full 747 tried to do it, the extra stop would just be a time-consuming annoyance. For example, look at the pre-clearance lines at DUB during the morning rush--I'd say it's at least as bad as JFK. And for the growing number of us who have Global Entry, it's much worse since there are no kiosks there. At JFK I can go from aircraft to curb in 5 minutes.



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10209 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):
Seems we have swung off the original topic...

Does the A320 service replace what was once served by the Concorde...? Think about it the Concorde was J/C only...

Ha Ha, this made me laugh, sorry EK413
But comparing a Concorde with an A318 is also off topic, only comparison are the flight numbers.


25 mattya9 : I'm guessing the loads can't be that bad if this route has been in service for 3+ years now. Has BA thought about going anywhere else with this set up
26 LHRFlyer : More routes depend in part on sufficient space at LCY and support from corporate clients. The LCY-JFK service, which is growing steadily, had the bene
27 EK413 : I'm well aware the Concorde can't be replaced... I refer to the Business Class concept... EK413
28 Post contains images skipness1E : The only thing they have in common is the flight number. The A318 is more comfortable and takes much longer than the comparable heavy from LHR but do
29 crj200faguy : Is this flight embargoed for non reving?
30 tymnbalewne : For non-rev leisure travel, yes.
31 planefixer : The Concorde wasn't really a "business class" in the same sense as this aircraft has fully flat beds. Concorde had leather seats that reclined, with
32 Post contains images EI320 : County Clare
33 Post contains links and images FoxBravo : http://www.globalentry.gov/ It's currently only available to US citizens and permanent residents, Dutch citizens and Mexican nationals. The concept is
34 skipness1E : Apologies EI320!!!!! Thanks for the correction, I have actually been there as well!
35 tonystan : Daft comments from both of you. LHR WW/EF (drop the BASSA bull cos it cheapens your arguement) are as professional if not more highly polished then t
36 OA260 : In your opinion as a crew member , our opinions are as paying passengers . We are entitled to our opinions as much as you are entitiled to yours. Cal
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