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BA A318 London-New York Private Flight?  
User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 957 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18318 times:

At flightradar24 I see a British Airways Airbus A318 (G-EUNA) flying from London to New York (over Maine now). Are these transatlantic routes with such small planes private flights?

[Edited 2012-05-25 12:28:51]

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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6298 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18329 times:

No - they are all business class flights on A318s from London City to JFK via Shannon

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9488 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18342 times:

Are you talking about LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY BA A318 route that is served twice daily? LCY is a small airport that can only serve regional airplanes, so the A318 is about the only airplane that can fly transatlantic from that airport with commercial passenger loads and requires a fuel stop one way.

[Edited 2012-05-25 12:28:49]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18316 times:

Its the BA LCY-JFK service , stops in SNN for immigration then onto JFK .

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/cwlcexp/public/en_gb


User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18271 times:

Indeed LCY-SNN-JFK, flight BA1. Thanks for the information.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18276 times:

Quoting Owleye (Thread starter):
At flightradar24 I see a British Airways Airbus A318 flying from London to New York (over Maine now). Are these transatlantic routes with such small planes private flights?

BA has been operating LCY-JFK twice daily (except weekends) with their two all-J class A318s for almost 3 years (September 2009). Westbound flight makes a fuel stop at SNN where passengers also pre-clear U.S. immigration and customs. Eastbound flights are nonstop.

I'm sure you'll find quite a few other threads on this service if you do a search.


User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18248 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Eastbound flights are nonstop

Of course, tailwind.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18147 times:

Quoting Owleye (Reply 6):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Eastbound flights are nonstop

Of course, tailwind.

It's not related to winds. The westbound flight requires a fuel stop due to the short runway at LCY (4,948 ft).


User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17998 times:

Do you think that they'll ever allow this flight to go LCY/LGA? Since it clears immigration in Ireland,it should be doable?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17924 times:

Quoting PVG (Reply 8):
Do you think that they'll ever allow this flight to go LCY/LGA? Since it clears immigration in Ireland,it should be doable?

Not permitted due to the LGA "perimeter rule". Except for LGA-DEN (and on Saturday) LGA is restricted to nonstop flights not exceeding 1,500 miles.


User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17897 times:

Quoting PVG (Reply 8):
Do you think that they'll ever allow this flight to go LCY/LGA? Since it clears immigration in Ireland,it should be doable?

No, there is a 1500nm perimeter rule (with the exception of Saturdays and DEN) for LGA, and there is no way an exception would be made for a flight to London as long as no US city outside the perimeter has service there (except, again, DEN). That is not taking into account any performance limitations out of LGA due to its shorter runways as well.


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3200 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17663 times:

In addtion to the perimiter rule, BA have lounges and staff in JFK - why start operations to yet another NYC airport?


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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8045 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16971 times:

Feels like a private plane. Recently flew BA 3 to NY, load was five pax (inc me). Capt's welcome aboard PA started with, "Gentlemen..." Of course he was right: all five of us were men.


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16859 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):

I flew it last year and it seems a lot better than the club experience ex-LHR (possibly because they use LGW crews on this flight)


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15985 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
I flew it last year and it seems a lot better than the club experience ex-LHR (possibly because they use LGW crews on this flight)

LGW crew are no better or worse then LHR crew!



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14933 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
I flew it last year and it seems a lot better than the club experience ex-LHR (possibly because they use LGW crews on this flight)

Probably due to the fact that LGW crews are trained to work on Airbus A32X and work longhaul as well.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13014 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 14):
LGW crew are no better or worse then LHR crew!

They very much are IMHO. They are younger, more keen and enthusiastic, not so drained of life as BASSA / Euro FLeet.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12541 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):
They very much are IMHO. They are younger, more keen and enthusiastic, not so drained of life as BASSA / Euro FLeet.

Always had fantastic crew on the LGW flights . Maybe the ''drained'' issue you mention is a reason.


User currently onlineedina From United Kingdom, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 742 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12414 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):

You've obviously not come across any of the numerous former DanAir Senior Cabin Crew (Cabin Managers/Pursers) who make me as an LHR Purser with a mere 17 years of seniority look like a young whippersnapper (I'm in the top 30% seniority on LHR Euro).

BAs customer customer satisfaction surveys show LHR EF crew to score equally, if not higher than LGW crew.

What have BASSA got to do with this???

[Edited 2012-05-26 05:59:07]


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User currently offlineplanefixer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11265 times:

A big amount of the "old" senior crew from LGW moved up to LHR before SF came into force at LGW, that was the choice - move to LHR and keep your terms & conditions on WW fleet, or stay at LGW and work the SF terms & conditions.

I also much prefer the LGW crew, they are a breath of fresh air. My last trip with BA was to Los Angeles, and I deliberately chose to fly from LGW-MCO and then connect the next day with American to Santa Ana and drive to LA. Did the same coming back, flew LAX-MCO and then back to LGW as I have never had a "bad" experience with the crew, unlike my longhaul trips from LHR where the majority have had some kind of crew issue.

I was hoping to experience the new Mixed Fleet crew on my next trip to Chicago, but opted for a direct flight from MAN instead, to try and avoid the immigration queues.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10829 times:

Seems we have swung off the original topic...

Does the A320 service replace what was once served by the Concorde...? Think about it the Concorde was J/C only...

EK413



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User currently offlineplanefixer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10754 times:

Nothing can replace Concorde time wise. This is a totally different concept. Small plane, small number of passengers who each get a flat bed. Passengers arrive in NYC as domestic passengers, so no customs or immigration

The flight numbers are the same as the old Concorde service but thats about it.


User currently offlinewoodentom From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Apologies if this is off topic slighlty but assuming doing customs at Shannon is quicker and easier than customs in JFK then has BA or any other airline not thought about the Shannon stopover/ customs as an idea for other flights.

I would have thought avoiding customs at JFK or any other US city and arriving as a domestic passenger would be a good thing and people may wish be willing to pay more for the flight to include this?


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

Quoting woodentom (Reply 22):
Apologies if this is off topic slighlty but assuming doing customs at Shannon is quicker and easier than customs in JFK then has BA or any other airline not thought about the Shannon stopover/ customs as an idea for other flights.

I would have thought avoiding customs at JFK or any other US city and arriving as a domestic passenger would be a good thing and people may wish be willing to pay more for the flight to include this?

Yes and no. When only 32 business class pax are going through immigration, it's quicker and easier. If a full 747 tried to do it, the extra stop would just be a time-consuming annoyance. For example, look at the pre-clearance lines at DUB during the morning rush--I'd say it's at least as bad as JFK. And for the growing number of us who have Global Entry, it's much worse since there are no kiosks there. At JFK I can go from aircraft to curb in 5 minutes.



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9633 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):
Seems we have swung off the original topic...

Does the A320 service replace what was once served by the Concorde...? Think about it the Concorde was J/C only...

Ha Ha, this made me laugh, sorry EK413
But comparing a Concorde with an A318 is also off topic, only comparison are the flight numbers.


User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9436 times:

I'm guessing the loads can't be that bad if this route has been in service for 3+ years now. Has BA thought about going anywhere else with this set up? I know there are only a couple other cities the 318 could reach from SNN; BOS is the first big one that comes to mind that's a little closer than JFK. What about PHL, BWI, or even ORD? Too far or not enough traffic for all business config?

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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 811 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9102 times:

More routes depend in part on sufficient space at LCY and support from corporate clients.

The LCY-JFK service, which is growing steadily, had the benefit of a corporate client guaranteeing a certain volume of seats before it launched.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7456 times:

Quoting planefixer (Reply 21):
Quoting santos (Reply 24):

I'm well aware the Concorde can't be replaced... I refer to the Business Class concept...

EK413



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):
Does the A320 service replace what was once served by the Concorde...? Think about it the Concorde was J/C only...

The only thing they have in common is the flight number. The A318 is more comfortable and takes much longer than the comparable heavy from LHR but does have the benefit of avoiding queues at JFK as you clear immigration in Shannon. In that sense it is a little like the 1950s in that you need to stop in County Limerick.

Quoting mattya9 (Reply 25):
Has BA thought about going anywhere else with this set up?

There are numerous threads discussing the airliners.net magic dartboard of route planning on this very matter, however my view as a local is that this service is incredibly niche and regardless of wishful thinking is likely to remain as it is. It links Canary Wharf with NYC, financial centre to financial centre, anything else is much better served through T5 at LHR.

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 23):
And for the growing number of us who have Global Entry,

Sounds like queue jumping, tell me more  


User currently offlinecrj200faguy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Is this flight embargoed for non reving?

User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 29):
Is this flight embargoed for non reving?

For non-rev leisure travel, yes.



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User currently offlineplanefixer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 27):

The Concorde wasn't really a "business class" in the same sense as this aircraft has fully flat beds. Concorde had leather seats that reclined, with no need for a bed due to the fast flight time.

As we have said before, the only thing similar is the flight number.


User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 28):
In that sense it is a little like the 1950s in that you need to stop in County Limerick.

County Clare  


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 28):
Sounds like queue jumping, tell me more
http://www.globalentry.gov/

It's currently only available to US citizens and permanent residents, Dutch citizens and Mexican nationals. The concept is similar to IRIS in the UK, I believe, except instead of scanning your eyes the Global Entry kiosks scan your fingerprints. There are now kiosks at most major US international terminals and pre-clearance facilities in Canada, allowing members to skip the immigration queue. Also, instead of having to fill out the usual US customs form, the machine asks the same questions on the screen, then prints out a receipt that you hand in at the customs exit (where you can also jump the queue, if there is one). It's only $100 for 5 years, which has been well worth it for me. In the early days I rarely saw anyone else at the kiosks, but now it's becoming a bit more popular--on big business routes, like LHR-JFK, I sometimes even have to wait for 1 or 2 people in front of me (oh the horror)!  



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Apologies EI320!!!!! Thanks for the correction, I have actually been there as well!

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):
They very much are IMHO. They are younger, more keen and enthusiastic, not so drained of life as BASSA / Euro FLeet.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 17):

Always had fantastic crew on the LGW flights . Maybe the ''drained'' issue you mention is a reason.

Daft comments from both of you. LHR WW/EF (drop the BASSA bull cos it cheapens your arguement) are as professional if not more highly polished then those at LGW. There are a few bad apples in all fleets but no more or no less!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 35):
Daft comments from both of you.

In your opinion as a crew member , our opinions are as paying passengers . We are entitled to our opinions as much as you are entitiled to yours. Calling people daft is not a very positive attitude. If a passenger is flying and has a certain perception of one base or another based on their experience then they will air those views since without passengers feedback one cant aim to improve . A good company is one that takes onboard peoples views and perceptions without putting them down !

Personally I find BA crew in general a mixed bag. Some are overly friendly and others couldnt care if you were onboard or not . From experience I can only praise my LGW crew experiences thus far. I will be flying BA more in future in Premium classes so will be able to report even more of those experiences in future.


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