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The Future Of Aeroflot In North America  
User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8019 times:

As it has been recently announced that Aeroflot will commence 3 weekly flights to MIA in October, i'm wondering what teh future of the airline will be in the US market. Will we finally get a daily flight out of IAD and increased servcie out of MIA? The Russian-US tourist market grew 25% last year so obviously Americans are taking note of Russia and vice versa.

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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7278 times:
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Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
As it has been recently announced that Aeroflot will commence 3 weekly flights to MIA in October, i'm wondering what teh future of the airline will be in the US market.

Would like to see them back at SFO again.....


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25860 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
The Russian-US tourist market grew 25% last year so obviously Americans are taking note of Russia and vice versa.

I expect there would be a huge increase in traffic if visa requirements were eased. I've always wanted to visit Russia but obtaining a visa is too much of a hassle (and expensive) when I can go everywhere else in Europe without a visa. I prefer last-minute trips booked a few days in advance. You can't do that to Russia. The same applies for Russians wanting to visit North America. Many choose to visit countries where a visa isn't needed, or is much easier to obtain, than to the U.S where they have to make a personal trip to the nearest embassy/consulate for an interview.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Is it true that Miami has the second highest Russian poulation in the US? I know that there is alot of premium traffic between Miami and Russia, or at least that is what was said in MiamiToday.

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6719 times:
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Quoting g500 (Reply 1):

Would like to see them back at SFO again.....

Now that SU has a larger widebody fleet including the 763ERs, A332s, and A333s, perhaps we'll see them bring back SFO-SVO with the 763ER first and then upgauge according to demand. I wish SU had decided to have their 76s fitted with blended winglets taking into consideration the stage length of the routes flown.

Does anyone know how many SFO passengers transit to SU's LAX flight?

SU is also increasing their LAX service to 5x a week this summer. I've heard pretty good things about their inflight product, catering. Like night and day compared to the past.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2328 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Were getting Yakutia up here in ANC starting next month. I wouldnt mind seeing Aeroflot return!

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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 3):
I wish SU had decided to have their 76s fitted with blended winglets taking into consideration the stage length of the routes flown.

I agree with you. If any airline needed winglets fitted for their 767's, I would have thought SU would be the perfect candidate. Unless they have plans to phase the 767's out of their fleet in the next few years?



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 1):
Would like to see them back at SFO again.....

I'd also love to see them in SEA again, with the flights via ANC to the Russian Far East in the past, SU also operated non-stops to SVO from SEA as well. I wish only the best for SU's success to whatever destinations in N. America they choose.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Do any of you guys think that SU will preform well in MIA? I know Miami has the second largest Russian popluation after New York.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 8):
Do any of you guys think that SU will preform well in MIA? I know Miami has the second largest Russian popluation after New York.

I thought Los Angeles had the largest Russian population


User currently offlineKyrone From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

I would love to see them re-start ORD

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7616 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

Quoting Kyrone (Reply 10):
I would love to see them re-start ORD

And MEX, which was once flown via SNN, HAV and who knows what other intermediate points.



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3012 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 4):
I wish SU had decided to have their 76s fitted with blended winglets taking into consideration the stage length of the routes flown.

Aeroflot's 767s will start to be phased out when deliveries of new aircraft start coming on, there was no reason to get the modifications done at that point. Airbuses now fly a lot of the key routes.

I'm sure SFO will make a comeback as the fleet grows.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 4):
Does anyone know how many SFO passengers transit to SU's LAX flight?

I've flown every connection possible from SFO to Moscow many times over and LAX is by far the most uncomfortable IMHO. I've had gate agents refuse to check bags all the way to SVO when checking in at SFO, when other times other agents are fine with doing so. The connection itself is not always timed well and you are on your own booking a flight that might give you enough time. LAX is also not the greatest of airports when it comes to making a transfer between terminals - this can be particularly stressful for people that don't fly often.

As much as I also don't really like JFK, JFK transfers from SFO to SVO are very easy, even if you only have an hour on the ground. You can fly DL on the SFO-JFK route and connect to SU, or choose to fly DL straight through. It also breaks up the flight into two somewhat decent segments instead of flying an hour to LAX and trekking all the way to Moscow on a grueling 13+ hour hop.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 8):
I know Miami has the second largest Russian popluation after New York.

Often times, people also forget to take into account a VERY influential and important consideration. The ethnic Russian population also differs greatly from the Russian-speaking Jewish community. For instance, SFO has a HUGE Russian-speaking Jewish population in the Richmond district. Many Russian-speaking Jews immigrated to the US a long time ago and settled in cities like NYC, SFO, MIA, ORD and LAX. Most of them have not been back to Russia since and don't have any intentions of going. Ethnic Russians often have ties to home and fly regularly because of various family/vacation reasons.

Basically, just because there are many Russian-speaking people in a certain city doesn't mean they are all ethnic Russians and definitely doesn't serve as an indicator that a Russian flight is warranted.

[Edited 2012-05-30 11:23:54]

User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
I've always wanted to visit Russia but obtaining a visa is too much of a hassle (and expensive)

You should take a trip to Ukraine. It may not have Red Square or the Hermitage, but it has a lot to offer tourists and I think it is very underated as a tourist destination. Lots of interesting history and natural beauty. To stay on topic, may I suggest that you fly SU to Ukraine--they fly to several Ukrainian airports from SVO, and you can transit Russia without a visa. (Wasn't always that way. One of these days I hope to write a TR about my 2001 trip that was interrupted by problems with a Russian transit visa.) Anyway, I totally agree that the visa requirements are a major roadblock to increased tourism traffic to and from Russia.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3850 times:
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Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 12):
've flown every connection possible from SFO to Moscow many times over and LAX is by far the most uncomfortable IMHO. I've had gate agents refuse to check bags all the way to SVO when checking in at SFO, when other times other agents are fine with doing so. The connection itself is not always timed well and you are on your own booking a flight that might give you enough time. LAX is also not the greatest of airports when it comes to making a transfer between terminals - this can be particularly stressful for people that don't fly often.

As much as I also don't really like JFK, JFK transfers from SFO to SVO are very easy, even if you only have an hour on the ground. You can fly DL on the SFO-JFK route and connect to SU, or choose to fly DL straight through. It also breaks up the flight into two somewhat decent segments instead of flying an hour to LAX and trekking all the way to Moscow on a grueling 13+ hour hop.

Thanks for the insight, Aeroflot777. I appreciate it. At least on SU they have much better catering, than the other options from the US.
I bet you're so looking forward to the first SU 77W arriving in SVO early next year....


User currently offlineMOW From Israel, joined Dec 2005, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
The Russian-US tourist market grew 25% last year so obviously Americans are taking note of Russia and vice versa.


Russia to US grew a modest 6% past 12 months. US to Russia was flat.
UA suspends IAD-DME on 28 OCT for the first time since the introduction of the route a few years ago.
AA retreated after 1 year of operation.
DL cancelled ATL.

The perspectives of the Russian-US market are not that rosy if you ask me.


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