jporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 358 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5579 times:
US has these routes covered. UA would not want to start service for fear of taking away US's customers. It makes no sense for them to compete as they are both Star Alliance carriers.
Nutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 318 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5512 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 3): It makes no sense for them to compete as they are both Star Alliance carriers.
I think the OP was referring to what UA may want to do if US and AA combine and go to OW. I am guessing that we would not see non-stop flying from DEN or SFO but rather a connection from IAH, ORD, IAD or EWR (I think that all of these have service to CLT currently?)
All of those Dividend Miles customers in CLT would be rolled over to OW and UA would have no customer base to work with in CLT which as noted in a previous post makes the prospect of UA serving CLT from the west very unlikely....it would be a tough market to break into.
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DTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 681 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5373 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 3): US has these routes covered. UA would not want to start service for fear of taking away US's customers. It makes no sense for them to compete as they are both Star Alliance carriers.
Why should UA fear for taking away US cutomers? Even though they are in Star, they both operate independently, there is no profit sharing or JV between UA and US.
Will UA start routes from CLT? Probably not and that is because US is very strong and well entrenched in CLT. It is more of UA sustaining the routes and being profitable with CLT given the US presence rather than the fear of taking away US customers.
usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3096 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5279 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 3): UA would not want to start service for fear of taking away US's customers. It makes no sense for them to compete as they are both Star Alliance carriers.
See below. US and UA actually have to compete in some form on these routes. Any sign of "cooperation" is actually an antitrust violation.
Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 5): Why should UA fear for taking away US cutomers? Even though they are in Star, they both operate independently, there is no profit sharing or JV between UA and US.
Will UA start routes from CLT? Probably not and that is because US is very strong and well entrenched in CLT. It is more of UA sustaining the routes and being profitable with CLT given the US presence rather than the fear of taking away US customers.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5110 times:
True, UA would have no customer base at CLT if US left Star but US would also have no customer base at DEN and SFO for the same reason. I think UA would eventually start DEN and maybe even SFO because they have a customer base in those cities that may benefit from being directly connected. Also, even if AA and US joined, they would still be very weak to Asia and UA would likely be able to capture some CLT pax through SFO to Asia...
Flytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 523 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5032 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 8): I think UA would eventually start DEN and maybe even SFO because they have a customer base in those cities that may benefit from being directly connected.
If WN starts CLT-DEN, then it might be competition by three carriers on CLT-DEN which seems a bit much for the markets that aren't that close or that big. Maybe UA would just route it's DEN base pax via ORD or IAD
Nutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 318 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4912 times:
Quoting Flytravel (Reply 10): Maybe UA would just route it's DEN base pax via ORD or IAD
That makes the most sense to me....it is less risky and if the traffic warrants, aircraft out of IAD, IAH or ORD can be upgauged. I see this as the most prudent step before a new non-stop is added.
Quoting United787 (Reply 8): True, UA would have no customer base at CLT if US left Star but US would also have no customer base at DEN and SFO for the same reason. I think UA would eventually start DEN and maybe even SFO because they have a customer base in those cities that may benefit from being directly connected. Also, even if AA and US joined, they would still be very weak to Asia and UA would likely be able to capture some CLT pax through SFO to Asia...
I see where you are coming from....its a trade-off but all can be resolved with a single connection in the interim.
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CV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 989 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2106 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 7): True, UA would have no customer base at CLT if US left Star but US would also have no customer base at DEN and SFO for the same reason.
If US left STAR, UA would more than likely have SFO-CLT service due to Wells Fargo & Bank of America traffic between the two Cities. It's too big of a banking market to be left to US/AA. It may be only one or two flights, but I doubt if UA would give all of the traffic to US.
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2006 times:
I've noticed, if anything UA cutting back on mainline out of CLT since the merger and leaving US to do a lot of the backfill to UA's hub cities. For instance CLT-EWR gets some UAEX but a ton of US mainline including several daily 321s. Look at the seasonal daily 320 from PHL to LAX on UA metal. They are clearly trying to maximize their relationship with US.
IIRC, ORD still gets 320s. If US leaves star then I'm sure we'll see CLT-DEN/SFO as CLT is still a UA mainline station.
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USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2680 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1606 times:
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 13): imagine that CLT-SFO could be quick a profitable route for US with all that banking traffic.
It must be considering US is going to fly 5x A321 CLT-SFO this summer.
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
Coairman From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1309 times:
I know this may be a tad off topic, but at LAX UA avoids flying to Delta's strongest hubs of DTW,MSP and ATL. I am guessing that since DL at LAX has a strong enough frequent flyer base that they are hard to compete with the hub to hub markets.
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1205 times:
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1176 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 17): True. It's been over 10 years since UA has flown LAX-ATL. Wish they'd bring this one back.
But then again, UA's hub at LAX is only a half-hearted effort. Another downside of everyone hubbing at LAX - rock bottom fares on popular routes, but no one reaching critical mass to offer services to secondary cities.
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1112 times:
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